From ian_primus at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 05:50:00 2003 From: ian_primus at yahoo.com (Ian Primus) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:08 2005 Subject: NeXT Cable In-Reply-To: <3F28851D.5070708@charter.net> Message-ID: <79E6F382-C40D-11D7-9D8B-000393D7845A@yahoo.com> You wouldn't happen to have a Y cable for a color NeXTStation, would you? I have a nice Color NeXTStation that I have never been able to use because I haven't been able to find the blasted cable... Ian Primus ian_primus@yahoo.com On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 10:55 PM, James Rice wrote: > I still have several of them. Want one? > > James > > James Kersey wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I saw your posting on a mail archive about having the cable that goes >> from a NeXTStation to the monitor, you wouldn't happen to still have >> this would you? >> >> Thanks, and sorry for the intrusion, >> Jim >> >> >> -- >> >> Jim Kersey >> Scoab Interactive >> http://www.scoab.com >> > > > -- > http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html From jrice54 at charter.net Fri Aug 1 06:31:00 2003 From: jrice54 at charter.net (James Rice) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: NeXT Cable In-Reply-To: <79E6F382-C40D-11D7-9D8B-000393D7845A@yahoo.com> References: <79E6F382-C40D-11D7-9D8B-000393D7845A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F2A5023.70805@charter.net> No Y cables. Just the ones for the mono slabs and several printer cables. James Ian Primus wrote: > You wouldn't happen to have a Y cable for a color NeXTStation, would > you? I have a nice Color NeXTStation that I have never been able to > use because I haven't been able to find the blasted cable... > > Ian Primus > ian_primus@yahoo.com > > On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 10:55 PM, James Rice wrote: > >> I still have several of them. Want one? >> >> James >> >> James Kersey wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I saw your posting on a mail archive about having the cable that >>> goes from a NeXTStation to the monitor, you wouldn't happen to still >>> have this would you? >>> >>> Thanks, and sorry for the intrusion, >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Jim Kersey >>> Scoab Interactive >>> http://www.scoab.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html > > -- http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html From jrice54 at charter.net Fri Aug 1 06:42:00 2003 From: jrice54 at charter.net (James Rice) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: NeXT Cable In-Reply-To: <79E6F382-C40D-11D7-9D8B-000393D7845A@yahoo.com> References: <79E6F382-C40D-11D7-9D8B-000393D7845A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F2A52A8.1050001@charter.net> Sorry that wasn't supposed to go to the list --> No Y cables. Just the ones for the mono slabs and several printer cables. > > James > > Ian Primus wrote: > >> You wouldn't happen to have a Y cable for a color NeXTStation, would >> you? I have a nice Color NeXTStation that I have never been able to >> use because I haven't been able to find the blasted cable... >> >> Ian Primus >> ian_primus@yahoo.com >> >> On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 10:55 PM, James Rice wrote: >> >>> I still have several of them. Want one? >>> >>> James >>> >>> James Kersey wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I saw your posting on a mail archive about having the cable that >>>> goes from a NeXTStation to the monitor, you wouldn't happen to still >>>> have this would you? >>>> >>>> Thanks, and sorry for the intrusion, >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Jim Kersey >>>> Scoab Interactive >>>> http://www.scoab.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html >> >> http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 1 09:42:00 2003 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: Research Machines network? Message-ID: <20030801143910.60949.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I don't suppose anybody happens to know the right value of terminating resistors to use on a Research Machines network? I was thinking of doing a health check on my old 480Z fileserver, but can't remember what values I used last time. I'm almost certain they were 50 ohm, but it'd be nice to know for sure. cheers Jules ===== Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 1 11:29:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: How to break into a XENIX system? Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030801122800.500799b8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> I had some time to kill this morning so I drove over to the warehouse and worked on the Intel 310 and I finally got it running. As I suspected, the HD controller was mis-configured and I also got lucky and found the proper port for the system console. There's ten serial ports on it and they're numbered J20 to J32. You'd think that the system port would be the lowest or maybe the highest numbered port but Nooo, it's J31! I read through the few Intel 310 manuals that I have last night and they're not much help but they at least gave me the proper baud rate, parity, etc so that elimenated one unknown. Played around with the SDM and ROM diagnostics and all the hardware checks out perfectly. The bad news that the 310 has XENIX installed :-( I also couldn't log into the system as a user or super user since i don't know the account names or passwords. Does anyone have any idea how to break into a XENIX system? It's XENIX 286 -W- Version 3.0. There's lots of bad blocks and such on the drive. I'm wondering if I should just install iRMX on it and forget it. Comments? Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 1 12:18:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: shugart 900-2 and 902 disk drives? Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030801131601.211f4bb8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Does anyone know exactly what these are and how they differ from the 800/801 drives? The general specs( 8" FH 800k) are the same. Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 1 12:32:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: IBM 5100 tinkering In-Reply-To: <3F29665E.7080404@citem.org> References: <3F2973F1.20488.4A7D1E84@localhost> <3F2973F1.20488.4A7D1E84@localhost> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030801132912.4ffffa16@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 08:56 PM 7/31/03 +0200, you wrote: > >We have a number of working BASIC machines of that era and plan on doing >a grand performance comparison one of these days. > > -- hbp > I have an Intel MDS-800 (8080) and BASIC-80 if you want to benchmark it. How are you timing these things anyway? Joe From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Fri Aug 1 12:35:01 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: shugart 900-2 and 902 disk drives? Message-ID: <200308011730.KAA07014@clulw009.amd.com> >From: Joe > > Does anyone know exactly what these are and how they differ from the >800/801 drives? The general specs( 8" FH 800k) are the same. > > Joe > Hi Joe The 900 series have a different connector for the cable. Instead of a .100 50 pin, it uses a .156 44 pin connector. I don't know about the 902 though. As I recall, it should be similar to the 800's. I have a 900 series drive in my Nicolet NC-80. If you have an extra, I've been looking to expand my machine to a dual floppy. Doing disk copies are a real pain. The machine has only 12Kx20 of core memory. Not much room for a bunch of disk buffers. Dwight From oldcomp at cox.net Fri Aug 1 13:14:00 2003 From: oldcomp at cox.net (Bryan Blackburn) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: Research Machines network? References: <20030801143910.60949.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F2AA235.7060708@cox.net> I have no idea, but even if you are wrong by half, the amount of reflection on the line will be negligible. For example, a source impedance of 50 Ohm, and load impedance of 100 Ohms, produces an SWR of 2:1 and a reflection coefficient of 0.3333. The square of 0.3333 is 0.1111, or 1/9, fractional. This means that eight-ninths of the power from your network card would actually be delivered to the load (minus any losses in the cable). The remaining one-ninth is reflected from the load and is only a minor source interference to the data on the line. -Bryan Jules Richardson wrote: >Hi, > >I don't suppose anybody happens to know the right value of terminating >resistors to use on a Research Machines network? I was thinking of doing a >health check on my old 480Z fileserver, but can't remember what values I used >last time. I'm almost certain they were 50 ohm, but it'd be nice to know for >sure. > >cheers > >Jules > > > >===== >Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. > >________________________________________________________________________ >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! >Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:18:00 2003 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: How to break into a XENIX system? Message-ID: <20030801181449.4497.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> > There's ten serial ports on it and they're numbered J20 to J32. > You'd think that the system port would be the lowest or maybe the > highest numbered port but Nooo, it's J31! My NCR Unix Tower has two 'special' serial ports on the back; ISTR that port B is the console, and port A is for a remote diagnostic modem. It's possible your system has a similar I suppose, and J32 is for a modem... > There's lots of bad blocks and such on the drive. I'm wondering if I should > just install iRMX on it and forget it. Comments? In situations like that I tend to pull the drive, drop it in a Linux system and grab a raw image of the disk to a file. At least then I have the data, even if accessing it can be a little complex. Format the drive then by all means, but if it has bad blocks it sounds like it might not be too healthy anyway... cheers Jules ===== Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 14:20:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: Analog computer article In-Reply-To: <002e01c3579b$5d74f800$f051e50c@attbi.com> from "Doug Coward" at Jul 31, 3 12:38:43 pm Message-ID: > The article, I believe, is from Practical Electronics > Magazine (UK) (date unknown, probably late 1970s). YEs. I ahve the original articles in front of me. It's from Practical Electronics September 1979 - December 1979 (4 issues). > The amplifiers are 741 opamps. And the amplifiers > even have overvoltage indicators which is a sophisticated > feature usually found only on commercial computers. THere were also a pair of 4-quadrant multipliers using AD533 chips. -tony From patrick at evocative.com Fri Aug 1 16:21:00 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: OT: Paging James Willing Message-ID: Jim, I've sent you a couple of messages, no replies... are you out there? Has anyone else heard from Jim recently (last two weeks)? --Patrick From bshannon at tiac.net Fri Aug 1 18:34:00 2003 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: IBM 5100 tinkering References: <3F2973F1.20488.4A7D1E84@localhost> <3F29665E.7080404@citem.org> Message-ID: <3F2AF85D.8090502@tiac.net> I could run some benchmarks using HP's 1968 HPBASIC if needed. hansp wrote: > Hans Franke wrote: > >>> We did some tinkering with our IBM 5100 the other day with results >>> which might be of interest. >> >> >> >>> 10 a = 0 >>> 20 print a, a*a, sqr(a) >>> 30 a = a + 1 >>> 40 if a < 100 goto 20 >>> 50 stop >> >> >> >>> The 5100 seems about 30% faster on though with the following program: >> >> >> >>> 10 a = 0 >>> 20 b = a*a >>> 25 c = sqr(a) >>> 30 a = a + 1 >>> 40 if a < 100 goto 20 >>> 50 stop >> >> >> >>> So it seems it is the display which slows it down. >> >> >> >> Well, to some extend. To my experiance it's rather the PET who >> slowed down the programm. The PET had realy one of the slowest >> BASIC interpreters / Systems around at that time. An Apple II >> did usualy outperform it by some 30-50% with exactly the same >> coding. > > > Interesting. We are told that the PET BASIC is in fact a version of > microsoft BASIC which was an outright sale with no royalties. Can > anyone confirm/deny that? > > We have a number of working BASIC machines of that era and plan on > doing a grand performance comparison one of these days. > > -- hbp From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 1 20:55:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: Intel 310? Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030801215401.1357660c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> I've spent part of the last two days working on an Intel 310 that I found in a scrap place and finally got it working. I'm just wondering how common thse are. I searched the net and didn't find any on any web sites but a number of people's resumes mentioned using them at one time. Does anyone else on the list have one of these? If so does it still work? There's good picture of one at . Even thought they're in a desktop case, they still used Multibus cards. They ran either iRMX or XENIX (Mine has XENIX installed). Joe From aek at spies.com Fri Aug 1 21:05:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: Intel 310? Message-ID: <200308020205.h7225HUU027655@spies.com> >Does anyone else on the list have one of these? If so does it still work? -- I think Paxton does, but he's stopped replying to my emails. From tothwolf at concentric.net Fri Aug 1 21:07:00 2003 From: tothwolf at concentric.net (Tothwolf) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: Intel 310? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030801215401.1357660c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.16.20030801215401.1357660c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > I've spent part of the last two days working on an Intel 310 that I > found in a scrap place and finally got it working. I'm just wondering > how common thse are. I searched the net and didn't find any on any web > sites but a number of people's resumes mentioned using them at one time. > Does anyone else on the list have one of these? If so does it still > work? There's good picture of one at . > Even thought they're in a desktop case, they still used Multibus cards. > They ran either iRMX or XENIX (Mine has XENIX installed). I believe someone here in Houston offered me a similar system, but I haven't heard back from them yet. Pretty much all I know about it is that it is Multibus and ran iRMX. -Toth From oliv555 at arrl.net Fri Aug 1 23:57:00 2003 From: oliv555 at arrl.net (no) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: Intel 310? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030801215401.1357660c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.16.20030801215401.1357660c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F2B43BD.3020408@arrl.net> Joe wrote: > I've spent part of the last two days working on an Intel 310 that I found > in a scrap place and finally got it working. I'm just wondering how common > thse are. I searched the net and didn't find any on any web sites but a > number of people's resumes mentioned using them at one time. Does anyone > else on the list have one of these? If so does it still work? There's good > picture of one at . Even thought they're in > a desktop case, they still used Multibus cards. They ran either iRMX or > XENIX (Mine has XENIX installed). > > Joe > We still have a couple of these running at my workplace. They run iRMX and are used to process airport images for one of our older flight sims. There was an iRMX user group, don't know if it is still active. -nick o From rickb at bensene.com Sat Aug 2 00:03:00 2003 From: rickb at bensene.com (Rick Bensene) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: IBM 5100 tinkering In-Reply-To: <3F2973F1.20488.4A7D1E84@localhost> Message-ID: <003401c358b2$f128ed00$030aa8c0@bensene.com> I'd be happy to try benchmarks out on: A) TRS 80 Model 100 (MS BASIC) B) HP 9830 (HP BASIC subset) C) Tandy 600 "Laptop" (MS BASIC) Rick > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Hans Franke > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 10:54 AM > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: IBM 5100 tinkering > > > > We did some tinkering with our IBM 5100 the other day with results > > which > > might be of interest. > > > 10 a = 0 > > 20 print a, a*a, sqr(a) > > 30 a = a + 1 > > 40 if a < 100 goto 20 > > 50 stop > > > The 5100 seems about 30% faster on though with the > following program: > > > 10 a = 0 > > 20 b = a*a > > 25 c = sqr(a) > > 30 a = a + 1 > > 40 if a < 100 goto 20 > > 50 stop > > > So it seems it is the display which slows it down. > > Well, to some extend. To my experiance it's rather the PET > who slowed down the programm. The PET had realy one of the > slowest BASIC interpreters / Systems around at that time. An > Apple II did usualy outperform it by some 30-50% with exactly > the same coding. > > Gruss > H. > > And back from KFest. > > -- > VCF Europa 5.0 am 01./02. Mai 2004 in Muenchen http://www.vcfe.org/ From vp at mcs.drexel.edu Sat Aug 2 00:28:00 2003 From: vp at mcs.drexel.edu (Vassilis Prevelakis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: HP 9877 Tape Memory /Duplicator was Re: 09877-10002 Message-ID: <200308020525.h725PJ9Q017450@king.mcs.drexel.edu> In cctalk-703, Joe wrote: > The drive systems are widely available in the surplus market and are > cheap. In fact, since you're a government agency you could get them for > nothing from other government agencies that are surplussing them. I > would recommend the HP 9121 S or D disk drives. They're small, > reliable and use standard 720k 3.5" floppy disks. The S drive is a > single drive and the D drives have two drives in them. I thnk you'll > need one of the option ROMs in order to use the floppy dirves but those > are also available surplus and again you could probably get all you > need from other agencies for free. There are a LOT of 9825s out there. I have talked with these guys as well and their problem is getting the files off their last working tape. james.clements@robins.af.mil wrote: > Apparently there are some files that are protected some way. It will > not allow us to copy all the files. Some copy fine others do not. I didn't know you could have protected files in the 9825, but if they have tried and failed, then we need to explore other ways of getting these files off the tape. So I was thinking, can another machine (e.g. HP 85) read 9825 tapes? I think the tape mechanism is the same, but I am not sure about the way data is organized on the tape. Thanks **vp From mikeford at socal.rr.com Sat Aug 2 03:40:00 2003 From: mikeford at socal.rr.com (Mike Ford) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: Apple TechStep In-Reply-To: <200307221740.AA32703036@mail.bedlambells.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030802012945.0336e1b0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> I found an Apple TechStep at a surplus place today, bare unit (cables but not ac adapter were there, but it wasn't "handy" to buy the cables this trip, and they seemed nothing special). A quick web search and the only hit is to the archives of this list, John Keys reporting his finding of one complete with manuals. Mine has CPU tests and SCSI tests roms installed. I have no idea what I will really do with it, but I am curious about the AC adapter voltage and polarity, and would like to fool with it sometime if I can get the basic info on using it. If anybody has a serious itch for it, let me know. From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Sat Aug 2 07:49:01 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:09 2005 Subject: Intel 310? In-Reply-To: <3F2B43BD.3020408@arrl.net> References: <3.0.6.16.20030801215401.1357660c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030801215401.1357660c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030802083751.3c771378@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 11:53 PM 8/1/03 -0500, nick o wrote: >Joe wrote: >> I've spent part of the last two days working on an Intel 310 that I found >> in a scrap place and finally got it working. I'm just wondering how common >> thse are. I searched the net and didn't find any on any web sites but a >> number of people's resumes mentioned using them at one time. Does anyone >> else on the list have one of these? If so does it still work? There's good >> picture of one at . Even thought they're in >> a desktop case, they still used Multibus cards. They ran either iRMX or >> XENIX (Mine has XENIX installed). >> >> Joe >> >We still have a couple of these running at my workplace. They run iRMX >and are used to process airport images for one of our older flight sims. > >There was an iRMX user group, don't know if it is still active. There's an intel 310 news-group but I think it's dead. I checked it the other day and there was nothing but SPAM there. I posted a message but didn't get a reply. Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Sat Aug 2 07:50:08 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Intel 310? In-Reply-To: <200308020205.h7225HUU027655@spies.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030802083309.3c77cdbc@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 07:05 PM 8/1/03 -0700, Al wrote: >>Does anyone >else on the list have one of these? If so does it still work? > >-- > >I think Paxton does, but he's stopped replying to my emails. > I doubt he still has any but I think Paxton has scrapped a lot of these and similar Intel systems over the years. Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Sat Aug 2 07:50:15 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: HP 9877 Tape Memory /Duplicator was Re: 09877-10002 In-Reply-To: <200308020525.h725PJ9Q017450@king.mcs.drexel.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030802084654.3c77c800@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 01:25 AM 8/2/03 -0400, you wrote: >In cctalk-703, Joe wrote: >> The drive systems are widely available in the surplus market and are >> cheap. In fact, since you're a government agency you could get them for >> nothing from other government agencies that are surplussing them. I >> would recommend the HP 9121 S or D disk drives. They're small, >> reliable and use standard 720k 3.5" floppy disks. The S drive is a >> single drive and the D drives have two drives in them. I thnk you'll >> need one of the option ROMs in order to use the floppy dirves but those >> are also available surplus and again you could probably get all you >> need from other agencies for free. There are a LOT of 9825s out there. > >I have talked with these guys as well and their problem is getting the >files off their last working tape. They shouldn't need the 9877 for that. If they do then they need to see about getting their 9877 tape repaired but they don't seem to be interested in doing that. I've offered to put them in contact with someone who can fix it TWICE and they've shown no interest. > >james.clements@robins.af.mil wrote: >> Apparently there are some files that are protected some way. It will >> not allow us to copy all the files. Some copy fine others do not. > >I didn't know you could have protected files in the 9825, but if they >have tried and failed, then we need to explore other ways of getting >these files off the tape. > >So I was thinking, can another machine (e.g. HP 85) read 9825 tapes? I don't think so. The 9835 and 9845 are both bigger machines but there's nothing in their manuals to indicate that they can read 9825 tapes. Also the 9825 runs HPL and the others are BASIC so there's no way that they could read program files. (Program files are stored in a compressed binary format and only de-compressed when they are edited or listed.) The designated replacement for the 9825 was the 9826 (68000 CPU based machine) with HPL ROM card or disk based HPL. But there's no tape drive for the 9826. Joe >I think the tape mechanism is the same, but I am not sure about the >way data is organized on the tape. > >Thanks > >**vp From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Sat Aug 2 07:50:22 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Apple TechStep In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030802012945.0336e1b0@pop-server.socal.rr.com > References: <200307221740.AA32703036@mail.bedlambells.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030802084752.3c57522e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> What the heck is an Apple TechStep? Joe At 01:38 AM 8/2/03 -0700, you wrote: >I found an Apple TechStep at a surplus place today, bare unit (cables but >not ac adapter were there, but it wasn't "handy" to buy the cables this >trip, and they seemed nothing special). A quick web search and the only hit >is to the archives of this list, John Keys reporting his finding of one >complete with manuals. Mine has CPU tests and SCSI tests roms installed. I >have no idea what I will really do with it, but I am curious about the AC >adapter voltage and polarity, and would like to fool with it sometime if I >can get the basic info on using it. If anybody has a serious itch for it, >let me know. From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 2 13:24:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Analog computer article In-Reply-To: from "Tony Duell" at Aug 1, 3 06:47:50 pm Message-ID: > YEs. I ahve the original articles in front of me. It's from Practical > Electronics September 1979 - December 1979 (4 issues). ARGH!!! I made a typo _twice_... It's in the issues from September 1978 to December 1978.. -tony From vcf at siconic.com Sat Aug 2 16:26:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Want to buy Kaypro 10 Message-ID: I'm looking for a nice, shiny, clean, preferably working Kaypro 10 that I'm willing to pay decent money for or trade for something nice. If you've got such a thing and are willing to trade or sell it then please e-mail me. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 2 16:45:01 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: HP Integral questions Message-ID: A couple of weeks ago I mentioned I'd obtained an HP Integral. I've now had time to test the PSU, etc, and it seems to be fine. However, I have a few questions about it. 1) What's the space on top, under the printer cover, for? I've found the HP-HIL mouse (and cable) is an almost perfect fit there, and as a mouse is a useful accessory for this machine, that's where I store it. But is there a more official use? 2) One of the cards I have in the machine is the interface for the 82904 expansion unit. Alas I don't have the expansion unit itself :-(. The card has a 64 pin Blue Ribbon connector on the bracket, which seems to mostly carry a buffered version of the Integral's expansion bus. My first problem, though, is that 64 pin Blue Ribbon plugs are not listed in any catalogue I've looked in so far -- 50 is the largest we seem to get in the UK. Anyone know a source? 3) Also, has anyone any information on designing I/O cards for this machine? 4) A really long shot, but that expansion unit card is taking up a slot that could be better used for something else. So does anyone know where I might find a serial card (either RS232 or current loop, preferably the former) or a GPIO card? I also think I need a hard disk. I have whichever version of the 9133 is around 20Mbytes here, which I believe should work. However, I have questions about that too 1) Inside there's a set of 4 links called the 'Ident Sea'. It appears these tell the controller the geometry of the ST506 hard disk that's connected. Anyone know what all 16 possible settings are for? 2) Is it possible to low-level format a 'new' hard disk on this unit? If I found a replacement drive that matched one of the expected geometries, how could I use it? -tony From musicman38 at comcast.net Sat Aug 2 23:18:01 2003 From: musicman38 at comcast.net (musicman38) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Mint Kaypro 10 References: Message-ID: <001901c35977$437dbd00$0200a8c0@alico01.fl.comcast.net> Hi Sellam, I have two Kaypro 10's. One I have in mind is mint condition (Like the day it was purchased) , I have all the books, and software. The one in Mint condition does have a bad hard drive or just stuck from sitting so many years unused, but I also have a replacment hard drive for it, just never took the time to install it. I purchased it from the original owner, still in the original box, with invoice, and packing list. Sadly I had no room inside my house for the large box, and stored the empty box in my garage. After several years the empty box was damaged by infestation, and I had to toss it out. The Kaypro 10 itself was not in it and stored inside my home in A/C, as all my computers are. The other Kaypro 10 works fine but is not Mint, but Very good condition. I have a large collection, of software from the Kaypro users group original disk from the 80's, and even Kaypro magazines I also have a very large collection of micro computers that I would like to sell as a whole. Over a hundred computers, and includes 10 or more Kaypros 1, 2, II, 4, IV, 10, 12, and 16, just going by memory. I have a bunch of early portable computers, Osborne, Compaq, Columbia, Etc. Let me know if you are interested in the Kaypro or the whole collection. If interested in the whole collection, I will send a complete list, but the buyer will need a big truck to haul it all off. and a few thousand dollars for the complete collection. I have enjoyed collecting it all over the years, but I am considering marriage, and I have the clear out an entire bedroom stacked to the ceiling with boxed computers.. Thanks, Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: "Classic Computers Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 5:16 PM Subject: Want to buy Kaypro 10 > I'm looking for a nice, shiny, clean, preferably working Kaypro 10 that > I'm willing to pay decent money for or trade for something nice. > > If you've got such a thing and are willing to trade or sell it then please > e-mail me. > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From mross666 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 3 00:06:00 2003 From: mross666 at hotmail.com (Mike Ross) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: pdp-8 serial numbers... Message-ID: Can anyone shed light... my 8/L has a serial number plate on the rear, with *two* numbers stamped on it, thus: 1127 963 How does that decode? Which, if either of those, is the real serial? TIA Mike (Very busy renovating the corestore website - much much more old computer stuff going up in the next few days!) http://www.corestore.org _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From jrkeys at concentric.net Sun Aug 3 00:17:01 2003 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Apple TechStep References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030802012945.0336e1b0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <013801c3597e$0b4357e0$6008dd40@oemcomputer> The information you asked for is as follows: output DC 9V 500mA Class 2 power supply (but you can run it off a 9 volt battery, you do not need the ac adapter), part number 077-0668, outer tip is positive and inner tip is negative. The manual is 70 pages long and if you need more info let me know. The system is pretty simple to operate once you get all the cables and software for it. There are four test modules with module four being the hardest to get. Here's are little more tips on it: powered by a MC68HC11 8-bit single-chip microcontroller; there about 4 diskettes that come with it (with the report generator diskette being the most important); cables that come with it are: ADB(2), mini DIN-8 serial(2), DB-25-to-25 SCSI(1), and stereo audio(1). Hope this helps. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Ford" To: Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 3:38 AM Subject: Apple TechStep > I found an Apple TechStep at a surplus place today, bare unit (cables but > not ac adapter were there, but it wasn't "handy" to buy the cables this > trip, and they seemed nothing special). A quick web search and the only hit > is to the archives of this list, John Keys reporting his finding of one > complete with manuals. Mine has CPU tests and SCSI tests roms installed. I > have no idea what I will really do with it, but I am curious about the AC > adapter voltage and polarity, and would like to fool with it sometime if I > can get the basic info on using it. If anybody has a serious itch for it, > let me know. From Innfogra at aol.com Sun Aug 3 01:07:00 2003 From: Innfogra at aol.com (Innfogra@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Intel 310? Message-ID: <37.3c46dfa1.2c5dffc9@aol.com> I am finally back online. July is a busy month for me as I wear several hats at the Oregon Country Fair and it occupies me for more than a month. I still have 4 intel 310 chassis, I can't seem to part with them and I have no idea what to do with them. They are good for industrial control as mentioned. I ran across a pair of 310s in the communication room of Fiji Telecom that I think are still there. It is a great development chassis in Multibus 1. Six slot desktop, 5 1/4" floppy and HD and sometimes a 1/4' tape drive. In the 1980s there were lots of different Multibus cards out there. I am surprised there are few in collections. We probably did trash more than a hundred in the late 1980s when we were buying truckloads of intel stuff. We sold a huge lot to InBus in the early 90s. As to the question of cracking a Xenix System? I have yet to figure that out myself. I was hoping someone out there had the secret or did it die with Larry? Paxton Astoria, OR From hansp at citem.org Sun Aug 3 01:49:01 2003 From: hansp at citem.org (hansp) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: BASIC Benchmarks was : Re: IBM 5100 tinkering In-Reply-To: <003401c358b2$f128ed00$030aa8c0@bensene.com> References: <003401c358b2$f128ed00$030aa8c0@bensene.com> Message-ID: <3F2CAFE2.50809@citem.org> OK, there seems to be a certain interest in running some benchmarks. Back in 1977 Kilobaud published a set of BASIC benchmark programs and the following year PCW (in the UK) updated them. I have put up a set of pages at : http://www.aconit.org/hbp/BasicBench/ based on a 1982 PCW article. There is also a submission form if you want to measure your system(s). -- hbp From r_beaudry at hotmail.com Sun Aug 3 08:39:01 2003 From: r_beaudry at hotmail.com (Rich Beaudry) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: 8 inch floppy drives available Message-ID: Hello all, I have the following 8" floppy drives available for $5.00 + shipping. The $5.00 covers the cost of a brand-new box, shipping materials, and my time to pack/ship. These drives are working pulls, but have not been tested in a few years. I may have manuals for the Shugarts, so ask if you need one (no extra cost). In order to be fair to digest and international users, I'll take emails from interested people until Tuesday, August 5th at midnight. Then I'll randomly choose people to ship the drives to. Please email OFF-LIST, and include a ZIP code or country so I can quote shipping. Shipping will be by USPS, from ZIP 01473. Shipping weight is approximately 25 lbs. per drive. I will weigh them and give an exact shipping quote when I determine who gets them. I CANNOT combine more than one into a box because of size/weight constraints (i.e., too big and heavy for me to carry!). You can go to www.usps.com and get a shipping estimate. Here's the list: - Qty. 1 Shugart 851 - Qty. 3 Shugart 801 - Qty. 2 Shugart 800-2 - Qty. 1 Qumetrak 842 - Qty. 1 Qume DT/8 (this looks like the 842, but I have no manual to tell the difference). Thanks! Rich B. From jcwren at jcwren.com Sun Aug 3 09:38:00 2003 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: 8 inch floppy drives available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200308031006.08341.jcwren@jcwren.com> Rich, I'd like the DT/8, if possible. --John On Sunday 03 August 2003 09:35 am, Rich Beaudry wrote: > Hello all, > > I have the following 8" floppy drives available for $5.00 + shipping. The > $5.00 covers the cost of a brand-new box, shipping materials, and my time > to pack/ship. These drives are working pulls, but have not been tested in > a few years. I may have manuals for the Shugarts, so ask if you need one > (no extra cost). > > In order to be fair to digest and international users, I'll take emails > from interested people until Tuesday, August 5th at midnight. Then I'll > randomly choose people to ship the drives to. Please email OFF-LIST, and > include a ZIP code or country so I can quote shipping. > > Shipping will be by USPS, from ZIP 01473. Shipping weight is approximately > 25 lbs. per drive. I will weigh them and give an exact shipping quote when > I determine who gets them. I CANNOT combine more than one into a box > because of size/weight constraints (i.e., too big and heavy for me to > carry!). You can go to www.usps.com and get a shipping estimate. > > Here's the list: > > - Qty. 1 Shugart 851 > - Qty. 3 Shugart 801 > - Qty. 2 Shugart 800-2 > - Qty. 1 Qumetrak 842 > - Qty. 1 Qume DT/8 (this looks like the 842, but I have no manual to tell > the difference). > > Thanks! > > Rich B. From jcwren at jcwren.com Sun Aug 3 09:39:00 2003 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: 8 inch floppy drives available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200308031006.53277.jcwren@jcwren.com> Whups, forgot the zipcode. It's 30518. --John On Sunday 03 August 2003 09:35 am, Rich Beaudry wrote: > Hello all, > > I have the following 8" floppy drives available for $5.00 + shipping. The > $5.00 covers the cost of a brand-new box, shipping materials, and my time > to pack/ship. These drives are working pulls, but have not been tested in > a few years. I may have manuals for the Shugarts, so ask if you need one > (no extra cost). > > In order to be fair to digest and international users, I'll take emails > from interested people until Tuesday, August 5th at midnight. Then I'll > randomly choose people to ship the drives to. Please email OFF-LIST, and > include a ZIP code or country so I can quote shipping. > > Shipping will be by USPS, from ZIP 01473. Shipping weight is approximately > 25 lbs. per drive. I will weigh them and give an exact shipping quote when > I determine who gets them. I CANNOT combine more than one into a box > because of size/weight constraints (i.e., too big and heavy for me to > carry!). You can go to www.usps.com and get a shipping estimate. > > Here's the list: > > - Qty. 1 Shugart 851 > - Qty. 3 Shugart 801 > - Qty. 2 Shugart 800-2 > - Qty. 1 Qumetrak 842 > - Qty. 1 Qume DT/8 (this looks like the 842, but I have no manual to tell > the difference). > > Thanks! > > Rich B. From dbetz at xlisper.mv.com Sun Aug 3 12:33:00 2003 From: dbetz at xlisper.mv.com (David Betz) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: 8 inch floppy drives available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <17BF7486-C5D8-11D7-BB7F-0003937B82DA@xlisper.mv.com> Anyone know what 8 inch drive is used in the DEC PDT-11/150? One of mine has a bad drive that I'd like to replace. Thanks, David On Sunday, August 3, 2003, at 09:35 AM, Rich Beaudry wrote: > Hello all, > > I have the following 8" floppy drives available for $5.00 + shipping. > The > $5.00 covers the cost of a brand-new box, shipping materials, and my > time to > pack/ship. These drives are working pulls, but have not been tested > in a > few years. I may have manuals for the Shugarts, so ask if you need > one (no > extra cost). > > In order to be fair to digest and international users, I'll take > emails from > interested people until Tuesday, August 5th at midnight. Then I'll > randomly > choose people to ship the drives to. Please email OFF-LIST, and > include a > ZIP code or country so I can quote shipping. > > Shipping will be by USPS, from ZIP 01473. Shipping weight is > approximately > 25 lbs. per drive. I will weigh them and give an exact shipping quote > when > I determine who gets them. I CANNOT combine more than one into a box > because of size/weight constraints (i.e., too big and heavy for me to > carry!). You can go to www.usps.com and get a shipping estimate. > > Here's the list: > > - Qty. 1 Shugart 851 > - Qty. 3 Shugart 801 > - Qty. 2 Shugart 800-2 > - Qty. 1 Qumetrak 842 > - Qty. 1 Qume DT/8 (this looks like the 842, but I have no manual to > tell > the difference). > > Thanks! > > Rich B. From spedraja at ono.com Sun Aug 3 13:52:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: FA: Letterwriter or Decwriter, 9-track tape units, RL02 units, VT-10x terminal and H9642 racks References: <17BF7486-C5D8-11D7-BB7F-0003937B82DA@xlisper.mv.com> Message-ID: <089201c359ef$3256a1e0$0f02a8c0@cavorita.net> Hi all. I am beginning to organize some DEC items that I collected last years, and I should like to get/trade/purchase these items, in Continental Europe if possible: * One Letterwriter or Decwriter * One or a couple of 9-track tape units, Pertec, Scsi or one of every class. * One or a couple of RL02 units. I have over ten disk packs to read. * One VT-10x terminal. I have one VT-102 that don't goes ok at all. * A couple of DEC H9642 racks. I should agree to obtain too all the cables and controllers needed as it could be possible. Same for the backpanels of the racks. Contact me off-list in: s p e d r a j a at o n o . c o m Thanks and Greetings From gerold.pauler at gmx.net Sun Aug 3 14:50:01 2003 From: gerold.pauler at gmx.net (Gerold Pauler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: pdp-8 serial numbers... References: Message-ID: <3F2D66AD.4010900@gmx.net> Mike Ross wrote: > Can anyone shed light... my 8/L has a serial number plate on the rear, > with *two* numbers stamped on it, thus: > > 1127 > 963 > > How does that decode? Which, if either of those, is the real serial? > > TIA > > Mike > (Very busy renovating the corestore website - much much more old > computer stuff going up in the next few days!) > http://www.corestore.org And how does that decode? My 8/m has a serial number of 0400322 (see http://pdp8.de/pages/serial.htm). This is a bit high or did they count a bit different in Ireland? Thanks, Gerold http://pdp8.de Just an irish pdp8/m From dwallace at m-net.arbornet.org Sun Aug 3 17:34:01 2003 From: dwallace at m-net.arbornet.org (Don Wallace) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Follow-up to "Best way to Sell Old, Used Software and SW/dev Books w/little Collectible Value?" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, This message follows up my original posting. I appreciate the interest shown in the subject. I was honestly trying to brainstorm the best way to get the most money (if possible) out of this pile of white elephants w/o sacrificing them to a reseller. And perhaps learn a bit more about online sales in the process. I think what I may do is the following: do a digital image inventory of the lot; combine like topics (like end user application software, development software, C++ on DOS books, Windows 3.1 dev books, etc) together and offer each type of category as a bundle. Try to construct each bundle so that each has at least one "flagship" (high quality by recognizable author) title or product. I would describe each bundle with an image gallery of the covers and a list of titles in each bundle. Last, offer one bundle on Ebay and see how it goes, plus set up a web site with the same info in case the Ebay auction expires with no takers. I checked out Ebay a bit and did notice some patterns. Recent but obsolete tech books (IE, 2-5 years old) are almost a dime a dozen. A few people have had bundles of tech books up there but their strategy is terrible - IE, one guy has a big box of books with the spines facing upward and he posted an image of the box with no list of titles - and no bids to match, and the image is too blurry to make out the titles. Surprisingly to me, some rather dated topics (like a bundle of three DOS development books) sold with multiple bids. There ARE luddites out there. :-) So I think it's worth the effort to do it right. Last - to everyone who expressed interest in buying - thanks - I'll post a link to a web site with the material described above when it's worked out. But I do want to defer private sales until I try Ebay first. - Don PS: To address "TeoZ" who posed the question whether I was harvesting email addresses - Teo, first of all you can address me directly rather than third person esp. if you're going to accuse. Secondly NO, if I were meaning to havest email addresses it would be far more efficient to simply parse the .mbox file of this list that is available for downloading and strip every email of anyone who has ever asked about old books or software. From healyzh at aracnet.com Sun Aug 3 18:20:01 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: OT: SCA Drives in StorageWorks SSB's Message-ID: This is a bit modern for the list, but I'm hoping someone here has some experience. I've just been given a pair of BA356 enclosures, and the one has 6 empty DS-RZ1CB-VW SSB's. The shelf itself is a BA356-KD with BA35X-MD 2X fans, and a BA35X-MH 16-bit I/O Personality Module. My question is, while the DS-RZ1CB-VW SSB's are intended for 4.3GB 7200RPM *SCA* drives, can they handle 9 or 18GB 10,000RPM SCA drives? If nothing else, I can always fill the shelf with RZ29-VW drives, but would prefer some 18GB drives if possible (I suppose I can always get some 7200RPM ones off of eBay). Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From hansp at citem.org Sun Aug 3 18:23:00 2003 From: hansp at citem.org (hansp) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: IBM 5100 tinkering In-Reply-To: <1059703982.4874.3.camel@nazgul.pao.digeo.com> References: <3F102004.3070802@citem.org> <1059703982.4874.3.camel@nazgul.pao.digeo.com> Message-ID: <3F29EB59.8000709@citem.org> Guy Sotomayor wrote: > On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 07:49, Hans Pufal wrote: >>So it seems it is the display which slows it down. > Before you jump to that conclusion, remember that "print" does a fair > amount of processing to put the numbers into EBCDIC (for the IBM anyway > -- but ASCII would be similar) as you are dealing with "floating point" > (it also does *some* column formatting as indicated by "," as opposed to > ";"). Well yes, when I say display I mean everything around the process of displaying information on the screen. Much more work would be necessary to pinpount exactly what was soaking up the time. The IBM actually blanks the screen when it is processing which leads me to believe it consumes a not insignificant amount of system resources. -- hbp From bear at typewritten.org Sun Aug 3 18:23:03 2003 From: bear at typewritten.org (r.stricklin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Simplest (practical) file system? In-Reply-To: <3F251023.2050304@gorge.net> Message-ID: On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 04:59 AM, Jdavis wrote: > > Trying to insult as many as possible before I commit suicide. > Jim D. > Can I have your XL1200 when you do? (; ok bear From hansp at citem.org Sun Aug 3 18:23:05 2003 From: hansp at citem.org (hansp) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: IBM 5100 tinkering In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030801132912.4ffffa16@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <3F2973F1.20488.4A7D1E84@localhost> <3F2973F1.20488.4A7D1E84@localhost> <3.0.6.16.20030801132912.4ffffa16@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F2ABECC.4070200@citem.org> Joe wrote: > At 08:56 PM 7/31/03 +0200, you wrote: >>We have a number of working BASIC machines of that era and plan on doing >>a grand performance comparison one of these days. > I have an Intel MDS-800 (8080) and BASIC-80 if you want to benchmark it. > How are you timing these things anyway? Haven't figured out the details yet. There were some BASIC benchmark programs published in themagazines int he late 70's I amy try to use that suite. I'll publish here when we get any results. -- hbp From cbajpai at comcast.net Sun Aug 3 18:23:08 2003 From: cbajpai at comcast.net (Chandra Bajpai) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Logic Analyzer Pod Probes / Scope Message-ID: <000001c35900$55cd5d20$6f7ba8c0@ne2.client2.attbi.com> I'm buying a Tektronix Logic Analyzer that has pods, but none of the test leads from the pod to the probe. They don't come up ebay often and when they do they are very expensive, almost as much as the logic analyzer itself. Any ideas on alternative sources for used probes or other makeshift alternatives? Also, anyone got a cheap (but good) oscilloscope they want to sell? I need some test equipment to attempt to diagnose some vintage hardware problems. Thanks, Chandra From JOHN at ALLIEDSEMI.COM Sun Aug 3 18:23:10 2003 From: JOHN at ALLIEDSEMI.COM (JOHN) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: ALLIED SEMICONDUCTOR Message-ID: <019001c3586d$757d6ea0$f8a8a8c0@jouster1> EG150S-V = $29.00 Power supply question Bryan Pope cctech@classiccmp.org Mon Apr 7 23:40:42 2003 a.. Previous message: H89 CP/M hard-secored boot diskette b.. Next message: Need info HP 28S c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Hello all, Has anyone heard of the Enermax power supplys? The model number from the (now non-working) is EG150S-V. The special thing about this supply is its size: 4" W X 5" D X 2.5" H Thanks for any help!, Bryan ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- a.. Previous message: H89 CP/M hard-secored boot diskette b.. Next message: Need info HP 28S c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] JOHN JOOST ALLIED SEMICONDUCTOR CORP. 800-834-0109 X101 DIRECT 469-241-9022 FAX 469-241-9825 JOHN@ALLIEDSEMI.COM From hansp at citem.org Sun Aug 3 18:23:13 2003 From: hansp at citem.org (hansp) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: BASIC benchmarks was Re: IBM 5100 tinkering In-Reply-To: <3F2AF85D.8090502@tiac.net> References: <3F2973F1.20488.4A7D1E84@localhost> <3F29665E.7080404@citem.org> <3F2AF85D.8090502@tiac.net> Message-ID: <3F2B012A.9060507@citem.org> Bob Shannon wrote: > I could run some benchmarks using HP's 1968 HPBASIC if needed. OK, I found the article in PCW from 1982 listing the benchmarks and a slew of results of that time. The original benchmarks were published in KiloBaud in It is on-line at : http://www.aconit.org/hbp/BasicBenchmarks/BM1982.htm I need to dig out the original PCW 1978 article also because ISTR seeing benchmark numbers for mini and mainframe systems. Anyways since we have all these results already it seems fitting to add to the list. -- hbp From bear at typewritten.org Sun Aug 3 18:23:15 2003 From: bear at typewritten.org (r.stricklin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: need EISA config util for Everex STEP Message-ID: <07E581A2-C4BD-11D7-8E30-000A956C4CA0@typewritten.org> I have an Everex STEPcube (12-slot, 80486) that I need a copy of the EISA config utility for. Apparently this was available until about a year ago as a download from everex.com. The site is now defunct. Failing the "correct" ECU I could experiment with another ECU, given just the CFG file for the motherboard. That file would be on the ECU disk, but I could also use it by itself (!EVX0101.CFG), in the absence of the complete ECU. Can anybody help? Thanks! ok bear From hansp at citem.org Sun Aug 3 18:23:18 2003 From: hansp at citem.org (hansp) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: BASIC benchmarks was Re: IBM 5100 tinkering In-Reply-To: <3F2AF85D.8090502@tiac.net> References: <3F2973F1.20488.4A7D1E84@localhost> <3F29665E.7080404@citem.org> <3F2AF85D.8090502@tiac.net> Message-ID: <3F2B8360.9060809@citem.org> Repost : the first version did not appear on the list Bob Shannon wrote: > I could run some benchmarks using HP's 1968 HPBASIC if needed. OK, I found the article in PCW from 1982 listing the benchmarks and a slew of results of that time. The original benchmarks were published in KiloBaud. It is on-line at : http://www.aconit.org/hbp/BasicBenchmarks/BM1982.htm I need to dig out the original PCW 1978 article also because ISTR seeing benchmark numbers for mini and mainframe systems. Anyways since we have all these results already it seems fitting to add to the list. -- hbp From abrandin at adelphia.net Sun Aug 3 18:23:20 2003 From: abrandin at adelphia.net (Alice Brandin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: in need of manuals Message-ID: <000001c35938$cc856240$0300a8c0@CPQ47403191915> Hello Fritz, I am looking for various manuals: DPS 7 / various series / France DPS-90 DPS 9000 / French DPS 6 PLUS / series 402, 410, 420 / USA DPS 6 / various series / USA I would really appreciate any help that you could provide. Sincerely, Alice Brandin From dbetz at xlisper.mv.com Sun Aug 3 18:47:01 2003 From: dbetz at xlisper.mv.com (David Betz) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Simplest (practical) file system? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4EC010D8-C60C-11D7-BB7F-0003937B82DA@xlisper.mv.com> XL1200 as in Symbolics Lisp Machine? I'd love to find one of those for a reasonable price. I've got a 3645 but it's a bit large and heavy to handle. Anyone want to trade for an XL1200? :-) On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 12:33 PM, r.stricklin wrote: > On Monday, July 28, 2003, at 04:59 AM, Jdavis wrote: > >> >> Trying to insult as many as possible before I commit suicide. >> Jim D. >> > > Can I have your XL1200 when you do? (; > > ok > bear From jrkeys at concentric.net Sun Aug 3 20:59:00 2003 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Items from Storage in MN Message-ID: <001201c35a2b$79f6d920$5108dd40@oemcomputer> Went back up to MN to empty one of the storages left up there and found the followings items: 10 various pdp8/e engineering drawings books (11x17 in size) from 11/70. hp 1727A Storage Oscilloscope (275 MHz) with manual, does not power up but for $10 no complaints. IBM mag system (typewriter and reader). Sun Diagnostic Exec 1.2 for 68020 & 68030 1/2" tape and manual. LOGICAL QUV-T8 UV EPROM Eraser Mattel Electronics FootBall II from 1978. A great looking book called The Universal History of Computing by Georges Ifrah. Feedback Automatic Washing Machine MIC915 module for microcomputers with manual. Feedback Temperature Control MAT855 & MIC955 module for microcomputers with manual. DMS tele-sports mini handheld gaming system. SHOOTER EE/EPROM programmer by Logical devices. Unloaded a ton of stuff in storage here and will update list as I find more good stuff for the museum. From dittman at dittman.net Sun Aug 3 22:24:00 2003 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: OT: SCA Drives in StorageWorks SSB's In-Reply-To: from "Zane H. Healy" at Aug 03, 2003 04:17:16 PM Message-ID: <20030804032226.D53187F83@dittman.net> > This is a bit modern for the list, but I'm hoping someone here has some experience. I've just been given a pair of BA356 enclosures, and the one has 6 empty DS-RZ1CB-VW SSB's. The shelf itself is a BA356-KD with BA35X-MD 2X fans, and a BA35X-MH 16-bit I/O Personality Module. > > My question is, while the DS-RZ1CB-VW SSB's are intended for 4.3GB 7200RPM *SCA* drives, can they handle 9 or 18GB 10,000RPM SCA drives? I've put some 9GB and 36GB 10K SCA drives in mine without having problems. The 36GB drives were 1.6", so I removed the piece of foam, but that's all. I think if I had some of the earlier, hotter-running 9GB drives I'd be a little concerned. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From healyzh at aracnet.com Sun Aug 3 22:35:01 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: OT: SCA Drives in StorageWorks SSB's In-Reply-To: <20030804032226.D53187F83@dittman.net> References: <20030804032226.D53187F83@dittman.net> Message-ID: >I've put some 9GB and 36GB 10K SCA drives in mine without having problems. The 36GB drives >were 1.6", so I removed the piece of foam, but that's all. I think if I had some of the >earlier, hotter-running 9GB drives I'd be a little concerned. I'd think that removing the foam, even when using the shorter drives, would be good, so as to get better cooling. Is there any real purpose for the foam? Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From ernestls at attbi.com Sun Aug 3 22:59:01 2003 From: ernestls at attbi.com (Ernest) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Anyone have a Basis 108? In-Reply-To: <4EC010D8-C60C-11D7-BB7F-0003937B82DA@xlisper.mv.com> Message-ID: I've just spent the afternoon making .dsk images of my Basis 108 disk collection. There is a lot of stuff here, including two different version of the Basis system disks (there were four different MB revisions,) CPM 3.0, and a bunch of Basis User Group Library disks (mostly for CP/M.) There are CPM drivers for the Sider HD, Vista 8" controller card, Saturn 128k, Mountain ThunderClock, and possibly more -special patches had to be made for these cards to work properly with the Basis CP/M 3.0. I haven't cataloged most of these disks, so I'm not entirely sure of what is on them. I've just been systematically making the images but I do know that all of these disks were created on a Basis 108, and were modified to run on the Basis so they probably will not work properly on an Apple II. If anyone has a Basis 108, and you need the system disks, etc., let me know and I'll send you a Zip file with all of this stuff. I'm not completely finished yet but I made images of the important stuff. There are probably close to 100 images. Ernest http://12.228.5.66 leucoplast@seanet.NOSPAM.com (remove the NOSPAM to email me.) From dittman at dittman.net Sun Aug 3 23:01:01 2003 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: OT: SCA Drives in StorageWorks SSB's In-Reply-To: from "Zane H. Healy" at Aug 03, 2003 08:32:06 PM Message-ID: <20030804035928.947F77F83@dittman.net> > >I've put some 9GB and 36GB 10K SCA drives in mine without having problems. The 36GB drives > >were 1.6", so I removed the piece of foam, but that's all. I think if I had some of the > >earlier, hotter-running 9GB drives I'd be a little concerned. > > I'd think that removing the foam, even when using the shorter drives, would be good, so as to get better cooling. Is there any real purpose for the foam? My guess is the foam is for noise reduction and/or narrowing the airflow path. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From mikeford at socal.rr.com Sun Aug 3 23:12:00 2003 From: mikeford at socal.rr.com (Mike Ford) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Apple TechStep In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030802084752.3c57522e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030802012945.0336e1b0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> <200307221740.AA32703036@mail.bedlambells.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030803210705.00a20ec0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> At 08:47 AM 8/2/03 +0000, Joe wrote: > What the heck is an Apple TechStep? > > Joe 68hc11 in a keypad sized package that tests and provides input to adb, serial, and scsi ports on older macs. I imagine it supplies keyboard input for the test software etc. From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Mon Aug 4 04:40:01 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: OT: SCA Drives in StorageWorks SSB's In-Reply-To: References: <20030804032226.D53187F83@dittman.net> <20030804032226.D53187F83@dittman.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030804053633.00a99ca0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> > Is there any real purpose for the foam? Might be for sound dampening. At 08:32 PM 8/3/03 -0700, you wrote: > >I've put some 9GB and 36GB 10K SCA drives in mine without having > problems. The 36GB drives > >were 1.6", so I removed the piece of foam, but that's all. I think if I > had some of the > >earlier, hotter-running 9GB drives I'd be a little concerned. > >I'd think that removing the foam, even when using the shorter drives, >would be good, so as to get better cooling. Is there any real purpose for >the foam? > > Zane > >-- >-- >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | >| healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | >| | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | >| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From waltje at pdp11.nl Mon Aug 4 05:09:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: OT: SCA Drives in StorageWorks SSB's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Zane H. Healy wrote: > This is a bit modern for the list, but I'm hoping someone here has some > experience. I've just been given a pair of BA356 enclosures, and the > one has 6 empty DS-RZ1CB-VW SSB's. That is good :) > The shelf itself is a BA356-KD with BA35X-MD 2X fans, and a BA35X-MH > 16-bit I/O Personality Module. OK. > My question is, while the DS-RZ1CB-VW SSB's are intended for 4.3GB > 7200RPM *SCA* drives, can they handle 9 or 18GB 10,000RPM SCA drives? Yep. The size is not the problem... 10K or 15K drives *might* get a little hot. I stuck several 18GB drives into 2.1GB carriers myself, and had no trouble there. Note that the creme/green carriers are for FAST10 (-VA (narrow) and -VW (wide)) and the blue carriers are for FAST20 (Ultra) disks. Obviously, you can stick FAST20 drives in an F10 carrier, but that wont do you much good ;-) Cheers, Fred From waltje at pdp11.nl Mon Aug 4 05:11:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: OT: SCA Drives in StorageWorks SSB's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Zane H. Healy wrote: Ohyeah. Beware of the power consumption.. the older BA35x's came with either the 135W brick (BA350's) or the 150W brick (BA356); with high-speed drives (9GB+) I think you want or even need the 180W (blue) power bricks. --f From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 4 05:49:01 2003 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Backing up ST506 disks Message-ID: <20030804104624.284.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I'm just wondering how to back up the hard drive (a 20MB MFM) in my Research Machines fileserver. The system runs CP/M, has a couple of floppy drives, and the hard disk is hooked up to a Xebec controller with a SASI bus linking it to the host controller in the fileserver. There are actually two problems: 1) Getting the data off the hard drive somehow (possibly via floppy) and being able to read it on another system (ideally a PC I suppose) 2) Being able to rebuild the system if/when the hard drive fails. Thoughts on both are welcome! I don't have any kind of OS source media for the system, and it wouldn't surprise me if it isn't the only survivor :-( Maybe there are utilities on the system itself to recreate bootable OS media, but my knowledge of CP/M is a little lacking! For my old SCSI systems I tend to hold a raw block-by-block backup image of the drive by putting the hard disk in a PC with Linux and dragging data off that way. If the drive fails and I can't get an identical replacement, a slightly larger drive still works with a little bit of wastage. Due to the relationship between the controller and drive using ST506 I gather things are probably a little more complex though... cheers Jules ===== Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From dwoyciesjes at comcast.net Mon Aug 4 08:10:01 2003 From: dwoyciesjes at comcast.net (David Woyciesjes) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: OT: Computer Hardware that must go... (cctalk) References: <3F2976CC.C392A400@comcast.net> <3F2978A2.7AB9667F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F2E5A52.DDABE54D@comcast.net> I've updated the hardware listing page, with some more parts items and info... > David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > > Well, I've been talking about it, and now I finally hove gotten > > together a basic list of computer hardware and parts that I'm clearing > > out of my basement... > > > > Check them out at: > > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dwoyciesjes/hardware.htm > > ...and... > > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dwoyciesjes/peecees.htm > > > > I'll give everyone 3 weeks to get their offers in. > > > > This is the stuff I'm looking in trade: > > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dwoyciesjes/wanted.html > > > > It in Hamden, CT... > > -- From acme at ao.net Mon Aug 4 09:40:01 2003 From: acme at ao.net (acme@ao.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: 3.5 inch DSDD diskettes - NOS - any interest? Message-ID: <200308041436.h74EauZX015511@eola.ao.net> I hope this isn't too commercial for the list, but I have a couple of machines which use these so I figured some of you might need some, too. "720K" 3.5" DSDD diskettes, 10 per box, new old stock $1 per box of ten, minimum 10-box order, shipped UPS through my commercial UPS account, buyer pays shipping I'll run them through my store so I can take VISA, MasterCard, Amex or Discover Sorry for all the conditions, but I'll have to buy a *mountain* of these and need to know that I can move a few before I commit to the purchase Later -- Glen Goodwin Orlando FL USA From allain at panix.com Mon Aug 4 11:49:00 2003 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: Computer Chronicles References: <3F2976CC.C392A400@comcast.net> <3F2978A2.7AB9667F@comcast.net> <3F2E5A52.DDABE54D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <059c01c35aa7$96212a20$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> Hate to report it but something that was missed back at the old 'Prelinger' thread was that 'Computer Chronicles' was cancelled for the 2003 season. http://www.computerchronicles.org/index.asp : "The Computer Chronicles web site is now an online archive for the Computer Chronicles television program, which was broadcast nationally and internationally for twenty years, from 1982 through 2002. The show was the longest running and most watched television series on personal technology, and this archive represents the history of the personal computer industry. " And fair-minded at that. If any of you Silicon Valley people get a chance to see Stewart Cheifet in person be sure to thank him for me/us for all those years of information. John A. Just found out myself. From jrkeys at concentric.net Mon Aug 4 12:09:00 2003 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: VAX items from MN Trip Message-ID: <017401c35aaa$9f824240$5108dd40@oemcomputer> Also picked up a VAXserver 4000/200 and R215F DSSI expander for it. From rdd at rddavis.org Mon Aug 4 13:16:00 2003 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:10 2005 Subject: VAX items from MN Trip In-Reply-To: <017401c35aaa$9f824240$5108dd40@oemcomputer> References: <017401c35aaa$9f824240$5108dd40@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20030804181504.GF11184@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Quothe Keys, from writings of Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:05:34PM -0500: > Also picked up a VAXserver 4000/200 and R215F DSSI expander for it. Nice finds! Congratulations! How much expandability does the R215F provide? -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Mon Aug 4 13:22:01 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Backing up ST506 disks Message-ID: <200308041819.LAA09663@clulw009.amd.com> >From: "Jules Richardson" > >Hi all, > >I'm just wondering how to back up the hard drive (a 20MB MFM) in my Research >Machines fileserver. The system runs CP/M, has a couple of floppy drives, and >the hard disk is hooked up to a Xebec controller with a SASI bus linking it to >the host controller in the fileserver. > >There are actually two problems: > > 1) Getting the data off the hard drive somehow (possibly via floppy) and >being able to read it on another system (ideally a PC I suppose) Write a serial dump program and move it to the PC. > > 2) Being able to rebuild the system if/when the hard drive fails. Learn enough about the system to extract the code needed to do a bootstrap. It will be worth your investment in time. The amount you'll learn will be more valuable than the boot strap code. The simples bootstrap is with some serial input to drive. You should get a second drive to fiddle with, that can later be used as a backup. Dwight > >Thoughts on both are welcome! I don't have any kind of OS source media for the >system, and it wouldn't surprise me if it isn't the only survivor :-( Maybe >there are utilities on the system itself to recreate bootable OS media, but my >knowledge of CP/M is a little lacking! > >For my old SCSI systems I tend to hold a raw block-by-block backup image of the >drive by putting the hard disk in a PC with Linux and dragging data off that >way. If the drive fails and I can't get an identical replacement, a slightly >larger drive still works with a little bit of wastage. Due to the relationship >between the controller and drive using ST506 I gather things are probably a >little more complex though... > >cheers > >Jules > > >===== >Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. > >________________________________________________________________________ >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! >Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From jrkeys at concentric.net Mon Aug 4 13:25:01 2003 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: VAX items from MN Trip References: <017401c35aaa$9f824240$5108dd40@oemcomputer> <20030804181504.GF11184@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: <01a901c35ab5$4a933e50$5108dd40@oemcomputer> 3 bays ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. D. Davis" To: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: Re: VAX items from MN Trip > Quothe Keys, from writings of Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:05:34PM -0500: > > Also picked up a VAXserver 4000/200 and R215F DSSI expander for it. > > Nice finds! Congratulations! > > How much expandability does the R215F provide? > > -- > Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: > All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & > rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such > http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From cisin at xenosoft.com Mon Aug 4 13:57:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Backing up ST506 disks In-Reply-To: <20030804104624.284.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030804104624.284.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030804114439.D63175@newshell.lmi.net> On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, [iso-8859-1] Jules Richardson wrote: > I'm just wondering how to back up the hard drive (a 20MB MFM) in my Research > Machines fileserver. The system runs CP/M, has a couple of floppy drives, and > the hard disk is hooked up to a Xebec controller with a SASI bus linking it to > the host controller in the fileserver. Xebec controllers can usualy be cabled to two drives. Why not connect another drive with similar geometry, and copy it? > There are actually two problems: > 1) Getting the data off the hard drive somehow (possibly via floppy) and > being able to read it on another system (ideally a PC I suppose) Are you up for the task of writing a file system handler for your PC? > 2) Being able to rebuild the system if/when the hard drive fails. > > Thoughts on both are welcome! I don't have any kind of OS source media for the > system, and it wouldn't surprise me if it isn't the only survivor :-( Maybe > there are utilities on the system itself to recreate bootable OS media, but my > knowledge of CP/M is a little lacking! Start with a DIR. Do you have PIP? SYSGEN? > For my old SCSI systems I tend to hold a raw block-by-block backup image of the > drive by putting the hard disk in a PC with Linux and dragging data off that > way. If the drive fails and I can't get an identical replacement, a slightly > larger drive still works with a little bit of wastage. Due to the relationship > between the controller and drive using ST506 I gather things are probably a > little more complex though... Not much. Put an ST506 controller into a PC. ST506/412 was the defacto standard on PCs until IDE. although most PC people erroneously refer to the cabling and interface as "MFM". The controllers used by IBM in the XT were made by Xebec. Once you have a controller and drive in your PC, you can write the code to read and write sectors to be able to copy a drive. If you go a step further, and parse the DIRectory, then you could selectively read and write sectors to be able to transfer files. From cisin at xenosoft.com Mon Aug 4 14:03:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Computer Chronicles In-Reply-To: <059c01c35aa7$96212a20$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> References: <3F2976CC.C392A400@comcast.net> <3F2978A2.7AB9667F@comcast.net> <3F2E5A52.DDABE54D@comcast.net> <059c01c35aa7$96212a20$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> Message-ID: <20030804115503.D63175@newshell.lmi.net> On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, John Allain wrote: > Hate to report it but something that was missed back at the old > 'Prelinger' thread was that 'Computer Chronicles' was cancelled > for the 2003 season. > If any of you Silicon Valley people get a chance to see Stewart > Cheifet in person be sure to thank him for me/us for all those > years of information. And Jim Warren, for creating and starting the show. And Gary Kildall, for being Jim Warren's original co-host. But Gary is dead, so if you get a chance to thank him in person, then you probably have other things to deal with. From bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca Mon Aug 4 14:12:00 2003 From: bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca (ben franchuk) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Computer Chronicles References: <3F2976CC.C392A400@comcast.net> <3F2978A2.7AB9667F@comcast.net> <3F2E5A52.DDABE54D@comcast.net> <059c01c35aa7$96212a20$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> <20030804115503.D63175@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: <3F2EAE2E.5040304@jetnet.ab.ca> Fred Cisin wrote: > And Jim Warren, for creating and starting the show. > > And Gary Kildall, for being Jim Warren's original co-host. > But Gary is dead, so if you get a chance to thank him in person, > then you probably have other things to deal with. > Seeing Elvis live on stage comes to mind. From aek at spies.com Mon Aug 4 14:49:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Backing up ST506 disks Message-ID: <200308041949.h74JnSQr001296@spies.com> Put an ST506 controller into a PC. ST506/412 was the defacto standard on PCs until IDE. although most PC people erroneously refer to the cabling and interface as "MFM". The controllers used by IBM in the XT were made by Xebec. Once you have a controller and drive in your PC, you can write the code to read and write sectors to be able to copy a drive. -- It would be easier to use basic SCSI commands to talk to the S1410 controller directly. I have the documentation on line, and as long as no other peripheral is on the SCSI chain, it should work fine (SCSI is a superset of SASI) When you write the copy program, remember to have some fallback strategy WHEN you read a bad sector (filling with ascii "BAD SECT" for example) since you may not get any data back. You'll also need to figure out the disc geometry, sector length, etc. since you have to set these parameters into the S1410 before you can do anything. This may require some experimentation, but it isn't likely that they would have used anything other than 128,256, or 512 bytes/sector. the S1410 manual can be found at www.spies.com/aek/pdf/xebec/S1410Man.pdf From class at fliptronics.com Mon Aug 4 15:37:00 2003 From: class at fliptronics.com (Philip Freidin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: FA: Assorted Multibus-I boards In-Reply-To: <089201c359ef$3256a1e0$0f02a8c0@cavorita.net> References: <17BF7486-C5D8-11D7-BB7F-0003937B82DA@xlisper.mv.com> <089201c359ef$3256a1e0$0f02a8c0@cavorita.net> Message-ID: Cleaning out garage. Some assorted Multibus 1 cards http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=fliptronics&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50 Thanks Philip ================= Philip Freidin philip@fliptronics.com From donm at cts.com Mon Aug 4 16:00:00 2003 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Backing up ST506 disks In-Reply-To: <20030804104624.284.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Jules Richardson wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm just wondering how to back up the hard drive (a 20MB MFM) in my Research > Machines fileserver. The system runs CP/M, has a couple of floppy drives, and > the hard disk is hooked up to a Xebec controller with a SASI bus linking it to > the host controller in the fileserver. > > There are actually two problems: > > 1) Getting the data off the hard drive somehow (possibly via floppy) and > being able to read it on another system (ideally a PC I suppose) > > 2) Being able to rebuild the system if/when the hard drive fails. > > Thoughts on both are welcome! I don't have any kind of OS source media for the > system, and it wouldn't surprise me if it isn't the only survivor :-( Maybe > there are utilities on the system itself to recreate bootable OS media, but my > knowledge of CP/M is a little lacking! Presumably, this is the RML 380Z, and if so I can provide a TeleDisk image of the boot disk. However, as it is SSSD and most PC FDCs are incapable of reading/writing SD the image may not be too helpful. However, with a suitable FDC - one based on a NS 8473 or a 37C65 chip - creating your own boot media would be possible. With such an FDC capability, it would also be possible to read/write/format diskettes with 22Disk using the RML1 disk definition. This would also permit HD backup via floppy, but it would be a tad painful at about 90k per disk. - don > For my old SCSI systems I tend to hold a raw block-by-block backup image of the > drive by putting the hard disk in a PC with Linux and dragging data off that > way. If the drive fails and I can't get an identical replacement, a slightly > larger drive still works with a little bit of wastage. Due to the relationship > between the controller and drive using ST506 I gather things are probably a > little more complex though... > > cheers > > Jules > > > ===== > Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 4 16:42:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Backing up ST506 disks In-Reply-To: <20030804104624.284.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> from "=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=" at Aug 4, 3 11:46:24 am Message-ID: > Hi all, > > I'm just wondering how to back up the hard drive (a 20MB MFM) in my Research > Machines fileserver. The system runs CP/M, has a couple of floppy drives, and > the hard disk is hooked up to a Xebec controller with a SASI bus linking it to > the host controller in the fileserver. > > There are actually two problems: > > 1) Getting the data off the hard drive somehow (possibly via floppy) and > being able to read it on another system (ideally a PC I suppose) > > 2) Being able to rebuild the system if/when the hard drive fails. > > Thoughts on both are welcome! I don't have any kind of OS source media for the > system, and it wouldn't surprise me if it isn't the only survivor :-( Maybe > there are utilities on the system itself to recreate bootable OS media, but my > knowledge of CP/M is a little lacking! > > For my old SCSI systems I tend to hold a raw block-by-block backup image of the SCSI is closely related to SASI, and IIRC, a SCSI controller will normally talk to a SASI peripheral (it often helps if the SASI peripheral is the _only_ device connected to the controller). I would keep the drive with the SASI controller (Xebec card). The ST506 interface is a low-level interface, and the data lines are essentially the raw data to/from the head. So the controller can do what it likes with that as regards sector marks, data encoding, etc (well, there are restrictions, but...) So a drive formated and used with one ST506 controller may well not be able to be read by a different ST506 controller. If you use the Xebec card you should at least be able to pull the raw blocks off the drive. How you then interpret the resulting filesystem image is another matter... -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 4 16:43:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Items from Storage in MN In-Reply-To: <001201c35a2b$79f6d920$5108dd40@oemcomputer> from "Keys" at Aug 3, 3 08:55:24 pm Message-ID: > A great looking book called The Universal History of Computing by Georges > Ifrah. I have a 3 volume set by the same author on the history of number systems. Volume one covers the 'ancient' number systems, Volume 2 covers (mostly decimal) positional systems and Volume 3 covers computing. I found his history of computing to be 'different' to say the least, but the books are very interesting none-the-less. -tony From vp at mcs.drexel.edu Mon Aug 4 16:52:00 2003 From: vp at mcs.drexel.edu (Vassilis Prevelakis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: HP 9111A Graphics Tablet -- Anyone has the software for it? Message-ID: <200308042149.h74LnATm007680@king.mcs.drexel.edu> I bought an HP 9111A digitizing tablet on eBay for my HP-85 and I was wondering if anyone has the software needed to drive it. Alternatively, if anybody has info on the communications protocol used by the 9111A to talk to the HP-85 over the HP-IB bus, please let me know. Thanks **vp From teoz at neo.rr.com Mon Aug 4 17:23:00 2003 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (TeoZ) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: 5.25 Disk Sleeves Message-ID: <012b01c35ad6$4f56dde0$347ca418@neo.rr.com> I purchased a while ago some 500 new bulk packed green 5.25 DD disks for my c64/IIgs systems that didnt come with any sleeves. Anybody know of a place that sells just the tyvek sleeves for 5.25" disks? From acme at ao.net Mon Aug 4 17:59:00 2003 From: acme at ao.net (acme@ao.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Attn: Gene Ehrich Message-ID: <200308042255.h74MtTZX022221@eola.ao.net> Sorry to post this here, but my reply to Gene bounced. From: Gene Ehrich To: Glen Goodwin Subject: Re: 3.5 inch DSDD diskettes - NOS - any interest? Date: 08/04/2003 12:15 AM > > >"720K" 3.5" DSDD diskettes, 10 per box, new old stock > > > >$1 per box of ten, minimum 10-box order, shipped UPS through my commercial > >UPS account, buyer pays shipping > > I would like 40 boxes ($40) > > Do you have any idea what the shipping cost will be? A package of 40 should weigh no more than 4 pounds. I'm in Orlando. > Do you accept PayPal? No, but VISA, MasterCard, Amex and Discover work. I'll give you my toll-free 800 number if you don't want to send your charge card info via email. BTW the diskettes will land here in about 7-10 days. Again, apologies to the group but I had no other way to contact Gene. Later -- Glen 0/0 From kenziem at sympatico.ca Mon Aug 4 18:35:00 2003 From: kenziem at sympatico.ca (Mike) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: 3.5" drives (720,1.44 or 2.88) Message-ID: <200308041928.03616.kenziem@sympatico.ca> Is there a quick and easy way to tell them a part? In a previous thread on separating 5.25 drives there was mention of testing for the number of sectors. Does someone know where such a program may be located? From spc at conman.org Mon Aug 4 18:45:00 2003 From: spc at conman.org (Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: IBM RT PC available Message-ID: <20030804234212.760A0140D418@swift.conman.org> A friend of mine has an IBM RT PC Model 115 he's thinking of letting go: http://grumpy.conman.org/2003/08/01.2 If anyone is interested (I'm not sure how old the machine is, but it does run and has AIX 2.2.1 already installed) please contact him: journal@nolab.conman.org Thanks. -spc (Pictures are available at the link given above, location is Boca Raton, FL, ironically the location where IBM developed the IBM PC ... ) From gehrich at tampabay.rr.com Mon Aug 4 18:57:00 2003 From: gehrich at tampabay.rr.com (Gene Ehrich) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Attn: Gene Ehrich In-Reply-To: <200308042255.h74MtTZX022221@eola.ao.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030804195202.00bc0df0@pop-server> At 06:55 PM 8/4/2003 -0400, acme@ao.net wrote: >Sorry to post this here, but my reply to Gene bounced. I haven't had any problem with my e-mail at all. Please try again and let me know if you still have problem gehrich@tampabay.rr.com gene@ehrich.com ygehrich@yahoo.com >From: Gene Ehrich >To: Glen Goodwin >Subject: Re: 3.5 inch DSDD diskettes - NOS - any interest? >Date: 08/04/2003 12:15 AM ================================= Gene Ehrich gehrich@tampabay.rr.com From coredump at gifford.co.uk Mon Aug 4 19:07:01 2003 From: coredump at gifford.co.uk (John Honniball) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: ECMA 46 tape standard Message-ID: <3F2EF459.4010606@gifford.co.uk> I've been asked about a quarter-inch tape standard from 1976, called ECMA-46. It's apparently 63 bits per mm, phase encoded. I work that out to 1600 bits per inch. Now, is this one of the early QIC (Quarter- Inch Committee) standards? Could it be QIC-11, the four-track system used on Sun-2 machines? Or is it something else entirely? And how could such a tape be read, nowadays? -- John Honniball coredump@gifford.co.uk From cisin at xenosoft.com Mon Aug 4 19:08:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: 3.5" drives (720,1.44 or 2.88) In-Reply-To: <200308041928.03616.kenziem@sympatico.ca> References: <200308041928.03616.kenziem@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20030804165539.A66203@newshell.lmi.net> On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Mike wrote: > Is there a quick and easy way to tell them a part? Look for the media ID sensor. Look for the drive model number. install it, and see what it does. > In a previous thread on separating 5.25 drives there was mention of testing > for the number of sectors. Does someone know where such a program may be > located? NUMBER OF SECTORS??????? Drives don't have sectors. Software to analyze a diskette will NOT necessarily tell you what the DRIVE is. (a 720K could have been written on a 720K, a 1.4M, or on a 2.8M) and for those who should be tired of it by now, 1.40625 megabytes is NOT 1.44, 2.8125 megabytes is NOT 2.88 From kenziem at sympatico.ca Mon Aug 4 19:37:01 2003 From: kenziem at sympatico.ca (Mike) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: 3.5" drives (720,1.44 or 2.88) In-Reply-To: <20030804165539.A66203@newshell.lmi.net> References: <200308041928.03616.kenziem@sympatico.ca> <20030804165539.A66203@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: <200308042029.34631.kenziem@sympatico.ca> On Monday 04 August 2003 20:03, Fred Cisin wrote: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Mike wrote: > > Is there a quick and easy way to tell them a part? > > Look for the media ID sensor. > Look for the drive model number. > install it, and see what it does. > > > In a previous thread on separating 5.25 drives there was mention of > > testing for the number of sectors. Does someone know where such a > > program may be located? > > NUMBER OF SECTORS??????? > Drives don't have sectors. > Sorry in the earlier post Tony was referrring to head steps rather than sectors >> The method I use is to hook the drive up to an exerciser and check for >> (a) the number of head steps between the limits (40 -> 360K, 80 -> >> possible 1.2M, but maybe a standard data rate only drive, giving 720K on >. a pC). And (b) the index timing -- can the thing give 6 index pulses per >> second (360rpm) or not? >> >> I find this to be the most reliable way of distinguishing between >> different drives... From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Mon Aug 4 19:50:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Backing up ST506 disks In-Reply-To: <20030804104624.284.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030804200225.37c76286@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 11:46 AM 8/4/03 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm just wondering how to back up the hard drive (a 20MB MFM) in my Research >Machines fileserver. The system runs CP/M, has a couple of floppy drives, and >the hard disk is hooked up to a Xebec controller with a SASI bus linking it to >the host controller in the fileserver. > >There are actually two problems: > > 1) Getting the data off the hard drive somehow (possibly via floppy) and >being able to read it on another system (ideally a PC I suppose) > If you just wna tto get it onto anothe machine I would set up some kind of a null-modem link and just transfer the files. > 2) Being able to rebuild the system if/when the hard drive fails. I think I would see about adding a 2nd drive to the system then copy everything from the old drive to the new one. That should give you a bootable drive as well as a full backup. After you verify that the drive is good then take it (or the orignal one) off the system and store it in a safe area. > >Thoughts on both are welcome! I don't have any kind of OS source media for the >system, and it wouldn't surprise me if it isn't the only survivor :-( Maybe >there are utilities on the system itself to recreate bootable OS media, but my >knowledge of CP/M is a little lacking! > >For my old SCSI systems I tend to hold a raw block-by-block backup image of the >drive by putting the hard disk in a PC with Linux and dragging data off that >way. If the drive fails and I can't get an identical replacement, a slightly >larger drive still works with a little bit of wastage. Due to the relationship >between the controller and drive using ST506 I gather things are probably a >little more complex though... Perhaps. I guess it depends on the BIOS and wheather you can fool it into thinking that the new drive is the same as the old. Still it shouldn't be too hard to locate the exact drive that it needs on either E-bay or from some of the list memmbers. Joe > >cheers > >Jules > > >===== >Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. > >________________________________________________________________________ >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! >Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Mon Aug 4 19:50:17 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Backing up ST506 disks In-Reply-To: <20030804114439.D63175@newshell.lmi.net> References: <20030804104624.284.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> <20030804104624.284.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030804200616.59afadda@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 11:52 AM 8/4/03 -0700, you wrote: > > >> For my old SCSI systems I tend to hold a raw block-by-block backup image of the >> drive by putting the hard disk in a PC with Linux and dragging data off that >> way. If the drive fails and I can't get an identical replacement, a slightly >> larger drive still works with a little bit of wastage. Due to the relationship >> between the controller and drive using ST506 I gather things are probably a >> little more complex though... > >Not much. Put an ST506 controller into a PC. ST506/412 was the defacto >standard on PCs until IDE. although most PC people erroneously refer to >the cabling and interface as "MFM". The controllers used by IBM in the XT >were made by Xebec. >Once you have a controller and drive in your PC, you can write the code to >read and write sectors to be able to copy a drive. I don't think youd even have to write any code. You could boot it from a DOS disk and use Debug to read the raw disk sectors and write them to the new drive. Joe >If you go a step further, and parse the DIRectory, then you could >selectively read and write sectors to be able to transfer files. From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Mon Aug 4 19:50:19 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Another Intel! E320EB Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030804204829.0f9f8318@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> I seem to be on a roll lately so this weekend I dug out an Intel that I bought off of E-bay some time ago but never got around to checking out. Disassembled, cleaned and inspected it. Found out that it is an Intel E320EB and uses Multibus cards. Oh, and it's serial number E00001000! I couldn't find a description of it in any of my Intel books but it has a CPU DX-2 66MHz CPU with built-in SCSI port and a 32Mb daughterboard! Also has three 4-port Intel iSBC 544 Communications cards, a SCSI 3.5" floppy drive, SCSI tape drive and two SCSI had drives. The CPU card and daughterboard are made by Radisys. After some checking I found that Radisys bought Intels Multibus I line from Intel in 1996. The ROMs on this one are also dated 1996. Today I made a cable for it and connected it to terminal and tried it out. It booted up fine and passed all the self-test. It boots up and loads IRMX III.2.2. Boot like the Intel 310 I don't have the account name and passwords so I couldn't log in. Anyone know any more about the 320 systems or have any idea of how to get into the iRMX system? Joe From cisin at xenosoft.com Mon Aug 4 19:59:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: 3.5" drives (720,1.44 or 2.88) In-Reply-To: <200308042029.34631.kenziem@sympatico.ca> References: <200308041928.03616.kenziem@sympatico.ca> <20030804165539.A66203@newshell.lmi.net> <200308042029.34631.kenziem@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20030804174530.X66343@newshell.lmi.net> On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Mike wrote: > > > testing for the number of sectors. Does someone know where such a > > > program may be located? > > NUMBER OF SECTORS??????? > > Drives don't have sectors. > Sorry in the earlier post Tony was referrring to head steps rather than > sectors For 5.25" drives, there are 40 track and 80 track (and in lesser quantities 35 track and 77 track). But 720K, 1.4M, and 2.8M are all 80 track, at 135 tracks per inch. (There were a few 40 track 3.5" (67.5tpi) drives, but they are quite rare.) > >> The method I use is to hook the drive up to an exerciser and check for > >> (a) the number of head steps between the limits (40 -> 360K, 80 -> > >> possible 1.2M, but maybe a standard data rate only drive, giving 720K on > >. a pC). And (b) the index timing -- can the thing give 6 index pulses per > >> second (360rpm) or not? The 720K being referred to is DSDD 5.25" drives with 96tpi, NOT 3.5" With the exception of some of the rarer early Sony drives (600RPM), and the early Mac drives, ALL of the 3.5" drives are 300 RPM. Therefore, the 300 v 360RPM technique that sometimes works for differentiating between 5.25" "360K" v "1.2M" drives doesn't help for 3.5" Look for a media ID sensor, and check the model number. From cisin at xenosoft.com Mon Aug 4 20:09:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Backing up ST506 disks In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030804200616.59afadda@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <20030804104624.284.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> <20030804104624.284.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.6.16.20030804200616.59afadda@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030804175759.H66343@newshell.lmi.net> On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > >Not much. Put an ST506 controller into a PC. ST506/412 was the defacto > >standard on PCs until IDE. although most PC people erroneously refer to > >the cabling and interface as "MFM". The controllers used by IBM in the XT > >were made by Xebec. > >Once you have a controller and drive in your PC, you can write the code to > >read and write sectors to be able to copy a drive. > I don't think youd even have to write any code. You could boot it from a > DOS disk and use Debug to read the raw disk sectors and write them to the > new drive. Unfortunately, the R command in DEBUG in MS/PC-DOS will balk at reading even raw sectors if it doesn't see an MS/PC-DOS style partition table in the first sector of the drive, and an MS/PC-DOS style "boot record" in the first sector of each partition. There have also been variations in sector size and sector numbering that will stop the R command of DEBUG. (MS/PC-DOS uses 512 bytes per sector, and the sectors on hard drives are numbered 1 - 17) If the alien system numbers 0 - 16, or uses a sector other than 512 bytes, then DEBUG won't be happy. But it IS possible to read a lot of stuff other than MS/PC-DOS using INT 13h -- Fred Cisin cisin@xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com From gtoal at gtoal.com Mon Aug 4 20:38:00 2003 From: gtoal at gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: UK: tape winder? Atlas Autocode charset (flexowriter) conversion? Message-ID: <200308050109.h75191pU011046@gtoal.com> Chris Whitfield and Ian Young have interfaced the borrowed optical paper tape reader that we were kindly loaned and have it working on a PC. Before we go to the site that has the paper tapes (several dozens) does anyone have a winder we could borrow to save winding them all back up by hand? Also before I write it (I have some paper documentation to work from describing the Atlas Autocode character set, which is from the Flexowriter printers that were attached to it) does anyone already have any code to convert from the flexowriter char set to ascii in any form? We're hoping to get a copy of the Atlas Autocode compiler on paper tape... Graham From aek at spies.com Mon Aug 4 20:50:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: UK:tape winder? Atlas Autocode charset (flexowriter) conversion? Message-ID: <200308050149.h751nmJ4007956@spies.com> here is something I wrote to decode some pdp-1 tapes note that not all characters have ASCII equivalents. #include char cvt[] = { ' ', '"', 0x27, '~', '.', '.', '.', '<', /* 00 - 07 */ '>', '^', '.', '.', '.', '.', '.', '.', /* 10 - 17 */ '.', '?', 'S', 'T', 'U', 'V', 'W', 'X', /* 20 - 27 */ 'Y', 'Z', '.', '=', '.', '.', '\t', '.', /* 30 - 37 */ '.', 'J', 'K', 'L', 'M', 'N', 'O', 'P', /* 40 - 47 */ 'Q', 'R', '.', '.', '+', ']', '|', '[', /* 50 - 57 */ '.', 'A', 'B', 'C', 'D', 'E', 'F', 'G', /* 60 - 67 */ 'H', 'I', '.', 'x', '.', '.', '.', '\n' /* 70 - 77 */ }; char cvtl[] ={ ' ', '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', /* 00 - 07 */ '8', '9', '.', '.', '.', '.', '.', '.', /* 10 - 17 */ '0', '/', 's', 't', 'u', 'v', 'w', 'x', /* 20 - 27 */ 'y', 'z', '.', ',', '.', '.', '\t', '.', /* 30 - 37 */ '.', 'j', 'k', 'l', 'm', 'n', 'o', 'p', /* 40 - 47 */ 'q', 'r', '.', '.', '-', ')', '.', '(', /* 50 - 57 */ '.', 'a', 'b', 'c', 'd', 'e', 'f', 'g', /* 60 - 67 */ 'h', 'i', '.', '.', '.', '.', '.', '\n' /* 70 - 77 */ }; main() { char c; int state = 0; while(!feof(stdin)){ c = getchar() & 0x3f; if (c == 072) {state = 0; continue;} /* lower case */ if (c == 074) {state = 1; continue;} /* upper case */ if(state){ if(cvt[c] == '.') { printf(">>%02o<<",c); continue;} putchar(cvt[c]); } else{ if(c != 073) {if(cvtl[c] == '.') {printf(">>%02o<<",c); continue;}} putchar(cvtl[c]); } } } From gesar at tiscalinet.ch Tue Aug 5 01:34:00 2003 From: gesar at tiscalinet.ch (Stefan Daehler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Twinhead Superset 310 Message-ID: <200308050631.h756VCC02395@smtp.tiscali.ch> Dear Listers, I'm completely new to this list as well as to vintage PCs and I hope to get some help from you knowledgeable folks in respect to a box I recently got from a friend of mine. It's a Twinhead Superset 310 with a 80286 processor, 1 MB of RAM, a ST-251 harddisk and 5,25" floppy-drive (IBM YD-380) for 1.2 MB disks. The battery was gone, so at every startup, I had to type in the configuration setup. I ONCE only managed to boot the machine which immediately started WordPerfect 5. I typed a few sentences but I could not save this text (the program all the time asking for a floppy I did not have) nor could I end the application or shut down the system (I REALLY do not know anything about DOS). So, I just powered down the machine. Afterwards, I never again managed to boot the PC, as it always asked for a floppy. Meanwhile, I managed to de-solder the 3.6 V battery and I'll look for a replacement. But there are a lot of questions, as I'd really like to learn to get this machine running and as I'd like to handle it: - The mouse-port on the back looks like a P/S2 but its larger in diameter. What standard is this? - There is one ISA-card I do not know what it is for. It has an external connector just looking like a VGA, but the monitor did not work with that. Furthermore, there are two black connectors ("wholes") about the size of an RCA audio in/out. A networking card (BNC)? - Generally: Does somebody know this machine? Somebody has manuals? Best thanks for caring! Steff From vance at neurotica.com Tue Aug 5 12:57:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: VAX items from MN Trip In-Reply-To: <20030804181504.GF11184@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, R. D. Davis wrote: > Quothe Keys, from writings of Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:05:34PM -0500: > > Also picked up a VAXserver 4000/200 and R215F DSSI expander for it. > > Nice finds! Congratulations! > > How much expandability does the R215F provide? It's the same chassis as the BA215. Three DSSI disks. Peace... Sridhar From SUPRDAVE at aol.com Tue Aug 5 13:06:01 2003 From: SUPRDAVE at aol.com (SUPRDAVE@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: New additions-- Lots of coco computer stuff Message-ID: A guy that's seen my website contacted me and brought me a trunkload of color computer stuff up from SC. I got a color computer 1 and 3, a multipack interface for the model 1, dozens of programs on tape, zenith display, dual disk drives, tandy dmp102 printer, a mix of about 200 magazines for the coco, like rainbow, hot coco and some others. also got a tutorial on tape for the 6809 and some assembler program. Everything's dusty, but in all over good shape. The magazines really show quite a color computer following back in the day. Some magazines are over 300 pages each. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org From jbmcb at hotmail.com Tue Aug 5 13:37:00 2003 From: jbmcb at hotmail.com (Jason McBrien) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: New additions-- Lots of coco computer stuff References: Message-ID: I remember my friend was a rabid CoCo3 devotee. Those Rainbow magazines were JAMMED with stuff, made my Commodore Gazette look anemic. On a related note, recently I picked up a stereo expander card for my CoCo3, anyone know what this thing is for? I assume it's like the SID cards that plugged into the C=64's, giving them two more channels, but I don't know what supports it. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: New additions-- Lots of coco computer stuff > A guy that's seen my website contacted me and brought me a trunkload of color > computer stuff up from SC. > I got a color computer 1 and 3, a multipack interface for the model 1, dozens > of programs on tape, zenith display, dual disk drives, tandy dmp102 printer, > a mix of about 200 magazines for the coco, like rainbow, hot coco and some > others. also got a tutorial on tape for the 6809 and some assembler program. > Everything's dusty, but in all over good shape. The magazines really show quite a > color computer following back in the day. Some magazines are over 300 pages > each. > > -- > Antique Computer Virtual Museum > www.nothingtodo.org From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 5 15:52:01 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Primate Programming Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030805165114.49976238@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Everyone should read this! From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 5 16:09:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: ECMA 46 tape standard In-Reply-To: <3F2EF459.4010606@gifford.co.uk> from "John Honniball" at Aug 5, 3 01:03:37 am Message-ID: > I've been asked about a quarter-inch tape standard from 1976, called > ECMA-46. It's apparently 63 bits per mm, phase encoded. I work that > out to 1600 bits per inch. Now, is this one of the early QIC (Quarter- I have here the manuals (user and technical) for a Penny and Giles 'Data Logger' -- actually a QIC drive with a RS232 or current loop interface. The user manuals says Recording Media : DC300A, DC300XL or equivalent 1/4in. data cartridge conforming to ISO4057 (ECMA 46) Recording Format : 1600 bpi phase encoded data to ISO 4057 The technical manual (which includes full schemaitcs, of course) has a circuit description which mentions ISO 4057 with regard to the preambles and CRCs for each block. What I don't know is wherte ISO 4057 and ECMA 46 are essentially the same thing, or whether the latter just specifies the physical form of the cartridge (The manual could be interpretted either way). I am pretty sure, though that this drive is not QIC11 (I did wonder about coverting it to that format once many years ago as I needed a QIC11 drive for the PERQ). I also remember paying a heck of a lot (of the order of \pounds 100) for the 2 manuals I have (the drive itself was essentially free, as ever). However, Penny and Giles could still supply these manuals, which put them fairly high up in my list of 'good companies'... > Inch Committee) standards? Could it be QIC-11, the four-track system There is also a 9 track QIC11, FWIW. However, the tracks are positioned so that a 9 track drive will read a 4 track tape (with the drive commanded to read the first 4 tracks). Writing suffers the same problems as writing 40 cylinder floppies on an 80 cylinder drive (please let's not have that again :-)). > used on Sun-2 machines? Or is it something else entirely? And how > could such a tape be read, nowadays? What was it written on? -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 5 16:15:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: UK: tape winder? Atlas Autocode charset (flexowriter) In-Reply-To: <200308050109.h75191pU011046@gtoal.com> from "Graham Toal" at Aug 4, 3 08:09:01 pm Message-ID: > Chris Whitfield and Ian Young have interfaced the borrowed optical > paper tape reader that we were kindly loaned and have it working on > a PC. Before we go to the site that has the paper tapes (several > dozens) does anyone have a winder we could borrow to save winding them > all back up by hand? I have one, but it wouldn't be easy to lend it to you... However they're not hard to make. The thing you wind the tape onto is a cylindrical core about 1" in diameter with a disk (about 4-6" in diameter) screwed on one side. A slot cut in the cylinder holds the end of the tape. I would rotate it by hand (the handle and gears from a hand-driven grinding wheel are _ideal_ for this -- in fact one of my winders was converted from such a unit) -- motorising winding adds all sorts of problems if you want to avoid snapping the tape. > > Also before I write it (I have some paper documentation to work from > describing the Atlas Autocode character set, which is from the > Flexowriter printers that were attached to it) does anyone already have > any code to convert from the flexowriter char set to ascii in any form? tr(1) ? -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 5 16:20:25 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: 3.5" drives (720,1.44 or 2.88) In-Reply-To: <20030804174530.X66343@newshell.lmi.net> from "Fred Cisin" at Aug 4, 3 05:54:13 pm Message-ID: > But 720K, 1.4M, and 2.8M are all 80 track, at 135 tracks per inch. Err, strictly they're all 160 track. What you meant, I guess, is 80 _cylinders_. I have the docs for some 5.25" floppy drives which correctly describe the 40 cylinder DS and 80 cylinder SS models as both having 80 tracks. That confuses a lot of people :-) > With the exception of some of the rarer early Sony drives (600RPM), and Rare? I think that's the most common sort of 3.5" drive round here (maybe because I'm an HP addict)... Incidentally, apart from the 'normal' full-height 600 rpm drive that's used in older HP disk units, in the Apricot, and so on, there's also a more normal sized one with a 34 pin connector (and maybe a separate 4 pin power connector, although the version I have has the power on the odd-numbered pins of the data cable). This is used in the HP9114B, 9153, etc units. One interesting feature of this drive is that many parts interchage with the Apple 800K drive (the head assembly, stepper, many mechanical bits, the motor drive ICs, the analogue ASIC, etc). There even seems to have been an option to add motorised ejection to this drive. > the early Mac drives, ALL of the 3.5" drives are 300 RPM. And AFAIK _all_ 1.44M drives are 300rpm. I've never seen a 600rpm version. -tony From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 5 16:40:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Any Procomm experts out there? Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030805173443.3c3fb64e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Hi, I need some help with Procomm. I've been trying to log onto an Intel 320 computer that runs iRMX. I have a terminal connected to the Intel and I've been able run the diagnostics and to load the OS and boot up but didn't have the correct account names or passwors to log into the system. I searched the net last night and found some iRMX manuals. Read them and found a couple of default account names and passwords. Today I tried them on the 320. The Superuser password didn't work but one of the regular account names and password did work so I was able to get into the system. :-) But once it logged in it executed the user profile and that changed the terminal setting so that all I got was garbage. :-( (I'll go back to reading and see if there's a way to stop it from executing the user profile.) I also tried using a PC with Procomm as a terminal. Procomm will emulate a lot of terminals and I thought that maybe one of them would display properly. But I could never get Procomm to work. It always said "Off-line" and I could never get anything to display on the screen. Data was going out to the computer and data was coming back from it but none of it showed up on the screen or in the log file. Any ideas? I'm guessing some kind of handshaking problem. I connected up my data display boxs with about six LEDs connected to the most important signal lines and everything looked fine so it must be one of the less common signals. I used the same cable and connected it to a terminal and set it for the same baud rate, # of data and stop bits, parity etc and it worked fine. Also tried another cable and it worked for the terminal but not for the PC with Procomm. I have used this same PC with Procomm and the same cable to successfully connect to other older Intel boxs with no trouble. Anyone have any idea why Procomm doesn't recognize this system? Joe From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Tue Aug 5 17:11:00 2003 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Peter Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: ECMA 46 tape standard In-Reply-To: ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) "Re: ECMA 46 tape standard" (Aug 5, 21:43) References: Message-ID: <10308052307.ZM17611@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Aug 5, 21:43, Tony Duell wrote: > > I've been asked about a quarter-inch tape standard from 1976, called > > ECMA-46. > I have here the manuals (user and technical) for a Penny and Giles 'Data > Logger' -- actually a QIC drive with a RS232 or current loop interface. > The user manuals says > > Recording Media : DC300A, DC300XL or equivalent 1/4in. data cartridge > conforming to ISO4057 (ECMA 46) > > Recording Format : 1600 bpi phase encoded data to ISO 4057 [...] > What I don't know is wherte ISO 4057 and ECMA 46 are essentially the same > thing, or whether the latter just specifies the physical form of the > cartridge (The manual could be interpretted either way). Neither do I, offhand, but virtually all the ECMA standards are available online. Unlike some standards bodies, the ECMA believe they should be accessible if people are to adhere to them. Anyway, ECMA 46 is at http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-TR/TR-046.PDF BTW, many ECMA standards were adopted verbatim by ISO, so if you need a copy of an ISO standard, and you know there's a corresponding ECMA one, just download the ECMA version. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From paul at frixxon.co.uk Tue Aug 5 17:53:01 2003 From: paul at frixxon.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: ECMA 46 tape standard In-Reply-To: <10308052307.ZM17611@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> References: <10308052307.ZM17611@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> Message-ID: <3F303453.2050107@frixxon.co.uk> Peter Turnbull wrote: > Neither do I, offhand, but virtually all the ECMA standards are > available online. Unlike some standards bodies, the ECMA believe they > should be accessible if people are to adhere to them. Anyway, ECMA 46 > is at > > http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-TR/TR-046.PDF No, that's ECMA Technical Report TR/46, "Security in Open Systems - A Security Framework". Standard ECMA-46 doesn't seem to be online, which probably means they've withdrawn it as obsolete. - Paul From cisin at xenosoft.com Tue Aug 5 18:00:01 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: 3.5" drives (720,1.4 or 2.8) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030805154245.G74433@newshell.lmi.net> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Tony Duell wrote: > > But 720K, 1.4M, and 2.8M are all 80 track, at 135 tracks per inch. > Err, strictly they're all 160 track. What you meant, I guess, is 80 > _cylinders_. > I have the docs for some 5.25" floppy drives which correctly describe the > 40 cylinder DS and 80 cylinder SS models as both having 80 tracks. That > confuses a lot of people :-) Thank you for catching my mistake. What I meant to say was 80 tracks per side. I often [erroneously] leave off the requisite "per side". I also sometimes say "9 sectors", when it is actually "9 sectors per track", which works out to 360, 720, or 1440 sectors [total]. Maybe, if I started saying "cylinders", I might make fewer mistakes. > > With the exception of some of the rarer early Sony drives (600RPM), and > Rare? I think that's the most common sort of 3.5" drive round here (maybe > because I'm an HP addict)... I kinda knew that one would get a rise out of you. Statistically, they would be "rare" in comparison to the zilions of uninteresting PC drives. > > ... except . . . , ALL of the 3.5" drives are 300 RPM. > And AFAIK _all_ 1.44M drives are 300rpm. I've never seen a 600rpm version. I assumed that, but didn't want to take a chance on exceptions. For example, there was a 5.25" drive from Weltec that ran at 180 RPM, in order to get 1.2M from a 250K data transfer rate (1.2M on an XT!) Did anyone ever make a 150RPM 3.5", in order to get 1.4M from a 250K data transfer rate? From jcwren at jcwren.com Tue Aug 5 18:26:01 2003 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Any Procomm experts out there? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030805173443.3c3fb64e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.16.20030805173443.3c3fb64e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <200308051923.10347.jcwren@jcwren.com> Under Options->System Options->Modem Connection...->Modem Connection Properties...->Use Hardware Handshaking is the option for hardware handshaking. Out of the box Procomm has hardware handshaking enabled, so this could possibly be your problem. I usually leave the three checkboxes unchecked, except in the rarest of cases. I would also make sure you're connected to the com port, and not through a modem connection (down in the status line at the bottom, 3rd box from the left, you can click to select the com port. direct connect-Com1 is most typical. Sorry if any of this is obvious (like the com ports). I dunno what your familiarity is with ProComm. --John P.S. Hyperterm sucks, Procomm rocks. We have some embedded products with serial ports, and when our client tells us they're using Hyperterm, we tell them we don't support it. It's too buggy. On Tuesday 05 August 2003 13:34 pm, Joe wrote: > Hi, > > I need some help with Procomm. I've been trying to log onto an Intel > 320 computer that runs iRMX. I have a terminal connected to the Intel and > I've been able run the diagnostics and to load the OS and boot up but > didn't have the correct account names or passwors to log into the system. I > searched the net last night and found some iRMX manuals. Read them and > found a couple of default account names and passwords. Today I tried them > on the 320. The Superuser password didn't work but one of the regular > account names and password did work so I was able to get into the system. > > :-) But once it logged in it executed the user profile and that changed the > > terminal setting so that all I got was garbage. :-( (I'll go back to > reading and see if there's a way to stop it from executing the user > profile.) I also tried using a PC with Procomm as a terminal. Procomm will > emulate a lot of terminals and I thought that maybe one of them would > display properly. But I could never get Procomm to work. It always said > "Off-line" and I could never get anything to display on the screen. Data > was going out to the computer and data was coming back from it but none of > it showed up on the screen or in the log file. Any ideas? I'm guessing > some kind of handshaking problem. I connected up my data display boxs with > about six LEDs connected to the most important signal lines and everything > looked fine so it must be one of the less common signals. I used the same > cable and connected it to a terminal and set it for the same baud rate, # > of data and stop bits, parity etc and it worked fine. Also tried another > cable and it worked for the terminal but not for the PC with Procomm. I > have used this same PC with Procomm and the same cable to successfully > connect to other older Intel boxs with no trouble. Anyone have any idea why > Procomm doesn't recognize this system? > > > Joe From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Aug 5 18:33:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Any Procomm experts out there? In-Reply-To: <200308051923.10347.jcwren@jcwren.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, J.C. Wren wrote: > P.S. Hyperterm sucks, Procomm rocks. We have some embedded products with > serial ports, and when our client tells us they're using Hyperterm, we tell > them we don't support it. It's too buggy. Pff. I use Reflection for the same reasons ;-) (and get Telnet, SSH, X11 and LAT for free with it ;-) --f From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 5 18:49:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Any Procomm experts out there? In-Reply-To: <200308051923.10347.jcwren@jcwren.com> References: <3.0.6.16.20030805173443.3c3fb64e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030805173443.3c3fb64e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030805194709.0fbfec1c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 07:23 PM 8/5/03 -0400, you wrote: > Under Options->System Options->Modem Connection...->Modem Connection >Properties...->Use Hardware Handshaking is the option for hardware >handshaking. Out of the box Procomm has hardware handshaking enabled, so >this could possibly be your problem. I usually leave the three checkboxes >unchecked, except in the rarest of cases. > > I would also make sure you're connected to the com port, and not through a >modem connection (down in the status line at the bottom, 3rd box from the >left, you can click to select the com port. direct connect-Com1 is most >typical. > > Sorry if any of this is obvious (like the com ports). I dunno what your >familiarity is with ProComm. Sounds like you have a newer version than mine. Mine is 1.1B IIRC. It has boxs that say Yes or No or you can enter things like Half or Full in the Duplex entry. It has two places for handshaking, one is for software (XON/XOFF) and the other for hardware (CTS/DTR). You can turn each on or off individually. I've tried every combination of Off and On but it doesn't make a difference. I am connected to the corrrect port (2) if I switch it to Comm 1 the various ready lights on the breakout box all go out. Joe From aek at spies.com Tue Aug 5 18:55:01 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: ECMA 46 tape standard Message-ID: <200308052350.h75NovKE005161@spies.com> I am pretty sure, though that this drive is not QIC11 (I did wonder about coverting it to that format once many years ago as I needed a QIC11 drive for the PERQ). -- Archive developed the movable head serpentine recording techinique that begat QIC11 (and the 9 and 15 track formats) MANY years after 3M developed the 1/4" DC300 series tape cartridge. Quantex and other vendors were using this mechanism in the mid 70's (Tek 405x's, IBM 51xx's) with multi-track fixed position head stacks, and many different recording formats. This appears to be yet another area where there is a lack of documentation for someone trying to recover old data from decaying magnetic media. From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 5 19:43:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Primate Programming In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030805165114.49976238@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > Everyone should read this! This pretty much sums up the current state of the IT job market in the US right now ;) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 5 19:50:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: UK: tape winder? Atlas Autocode charset (flexowriter) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Tony Duell wrote: > > Also before I write it (I have some paper documentation to work from > > describing the Atlas Autocode character set, which is from the > > Flexowriter printers that were attached to it) does anyone already have > > any code to convert from the flexowriter char set to ascii in any form? > > tr(1) ? tr would would, though lumberingly. A better solution would be to write a program that does a simple array-based look-up. Assuming the Flex-o-writer uses EBCIDC, here's a chart that might be handy: http://www.natural-innovations.com/computing/asciiebcdic.html -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From jcwren at jcwren.com Tue Aug 5 20:16:00 2003 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Any Procomm experts out there? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030805194709.0fbfec1c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.16.20030805173443.3c3fb64e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030805194709.0fbfec1c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <200308052113.00825.jcwren@jcwren.com> Mine is 4.8. I have a real copy, but I think there is (or was) a 30-day eval version on their website. I only stick with it because it's what I'm used to, and I have a number of macros. The important thing about selecting a com program is not that it must be ProComm, but that it must NOT be HyperTerm (or HyperDooDoo, as we refer to it. I really don't understand what strangle hold those people have on MS. I mean, OK, put aside one's hate for MS, it's the worst product they ship, and not representative of the rest of Windows). --John On Tuesday 05 August 2003 15:47 pm, Joe wrote: > At 07:23 PM 8/5/03 -0400, you wrote: > > Under Options->System Options->Modem Connection...->Modem Connection > >Properties...->Use Hardware Handshaking is the option for hardware > >handshaking. Out of the box Procomm has hardware handshaking enabled, so > >this could possibly be your problem. I usually leave the three checkboxes > >unchecked, except in the rarest of cases. > > > > I would also make sure you're connected to the com port, and not through > > a modem connection (down in the status line at the bottom, 3rd box from > > the left, you can click to select the com port. direct connect-Com1 is > > most typical. > > > > Sorry if any of this is obvious (like the com ports). I dunno what your > >familiarity is with ProComm. > > Sounds like you have a newer version than mine. Mine is 1.1B IIRC. It has > boxs that say Yes or No or you can enter things like Half or Full in the > Duplex entry. It has two places for handshaking, one is for software > (XON/XOFF) and the other for hardware (CTS/DTR). You can turn each on or > off individually. I've tried every combination of Off and On but it doesn't > make a difference. I am connected to the corrrect port (2) if I switch it > to Comm 1 the various ready lights on the breakout box all go out. > > Joe From Edward.Tillman at valero.com Tue Aug 5 20:22:00 2003 From: Edward.Tillman at valero.com (Tillman, Edward) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:11 2005 Subject: Primate Programming Message-ID: And both management and users treat/pay us like lower-level primates too... Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman@valero.com -----Original Message----- From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:33 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Primate Programming On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > Everyone should read this! This pretty much sums up the current state of the IT job market in the US right now ;) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From jcwren at jcwren.com Tue Aug 5 20:57:01 2003 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Mainframe emulators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200308052153.48331.jcwren@jcwren.com> Anyone had experience with Hercules (http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules/), a System/370, ESA/390, and z/Architecture emulator? --John From rdd at rddavis.org Tue Aug 5 21:06:00 2003 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Primate Programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030806020509.GC26754@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Quothe Tillman, Edward, from writings of Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:06:20PM -0500: > And both management and users treat/pay us like lower-level primates too... The interesting thing about this is that a large percentage of management and users are much closer to primates, intellectually speaking, than we are. > From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] > This pretty much sums up the current state of the IT job market in the US > right now ;) Do you mean that an IT job market still exists in the U.S.? That is, aside from the H1 visa employees imported for cheap labor along with the cheap outsourced overseas labor. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From aek at spies.com Tue Aug 5 21:11:24 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: UK: tape winder? Atlas Autocode charset (flexowriter) Message-ID: <200308060206.h7626V84021162@spies.com> A better solution would be to write a program that does a simple array-based look-up. Assuming the Flex-o-writer uses EBCIDC, here's a chart that might be handy -- you mean, like the one I posted here yesterday? does ANYONE bother to read my posts here? FWIW, it is NOT EBCIDC, and has upper/lower case state which has to be remembered. From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 5 21:18:01 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Any Procomm experts out there? In-Reply-To: <200308052113.00825.jcwren@jcwren.com> References: <3.0.6.16.20030805194709.0fbfec1c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030805173443.3c3fb64e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030805194709.0fbfec1c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030805221612.110faa12@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 09:13 PM 8/5/03 -0400, John wrote: > Mine is 4.8. I have a real copy, but I think there is (or was) a 30-day eval >version on their website. I only stick with it because it's what I'm used >to, and I have a number of macros. I have a real copy too. Just a real OLD copy! :-/ Joe> From david at bitsolve.com Tue Aug 5 21:23:36 2003 From: david at bitsolve.com (David Barnes) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Reading a VMS CD-ROM for SIMH under Windows? Message-ID: <760A9E736CF3E84588FA8D79F79F029D02DF71@barnes.bitsolve.net> Guys, it gets better... I've got a working ISO and can boot to the SYSBOOT> prompt (b/10000001 dua3) from sys1 on the CD but the system Fails to boot further reporting DUA3 (CD/ISO) has been write locked And mount verification is in progress.. I have seen this reported elsewhere for the 7.2 hobbyist kit.. So what's the fix?? How do I boot a vax without a vax (simh) Installation? Do I need to beg a dummy (minimal) system disk file from someone?(DUA0) David David at bitsolve dot com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- My RRD43 reads CDR's fine. BTW, I know it was asked, but not sure if it was answered. I have read VMS install CD's into PC ISO files using Nero, then used them with SIMH to create a VMS system from scratch. I've also read the same discs with Easy CD Creator (don't remember which version) and although the files were slightly different sizes, they still worked fine. I know I gave someone on this forum (was it you, Ethan?) some ISO's... They were made with Easy CD Creator. - Bob -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:38 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Reading a VMS CD-ROM for SIMH under Windows? --- Antonio Carlini wrote: > I've not actually attempted to use the results with SIMH, so all I'm > reporting is that CDRWin is reading *something* from the CD! I'd burn > the result to a CDRW if I thought any of my RRD4x devices could cope. I already have verified that my RRD42 does _not_ like CD-R media. :-( -ethan From vespasale at dsl.pipex.com Tue Aug 5 21:29:10 2003 From: vespasale at dsl.pipex.com (Nick Koleszar) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Please help - misbehavin' HP-71b Message-ID: <002901c35a62$a378be80$0201a8c0@ramphome.com> I hope someone can quickly let me know the answer. Is it normal for an HP-71b that has been without batteries or use for a while to refuse to start up once you put batteries in _until_ the PSU is plugged-in? Once it's been started with the PSU plugged-in, it works fine with only batteries. Is this normal and, if not, any idea how to fix it? Thanks in advance. nk =================================== Nick Koleszar vespasale@dsl.pipex.com From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 5 21:35:01 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Primate Programming In-Reply-To: <20030806020509.GC26754@rhiannon.rddavis.org> References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030805221930.4997e72e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 10:05 PM 8/5/03 -0400, R. D. Davis wrote: >Quothe Tillman, Edward, from writings of Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:06:20PM -0500: >> And both management and users treat/pay us like lower-level primates too... > >The interesting thing about this is that a large percentage of >management and users are much closer to primates, intellectually >speaking, than we are. > >> From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] >> This pretty much sums up the current state of the IT job market in the US >> right now ;) > >Do you mean that an IT job market still exists in the U.S.? That is, >aside from the H1 visa employees imported for cheap labor along with >the cheap outsourced overseas labor. > I saw a funny article the other day. In it the Indians were whining about all the programming jobs that THEY were losing to the Asian and former Soviet countries. Joe From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Tue Aug 5 21:40:39 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Any Procomm experts out there? In-Reply-To: <200308052113.00825.jcwren@jcwren.com> References: <3.0.6.16.20030805194709.0fbfec1c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030805173443.3c3fb64e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030805194709.0fbfec1c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030805221824.061a00c0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> I've sucessfully used HyperTerminal to term into the controller boxes for Brown and Sharpe MicroVal Coordinate Measuring Machines, and Motorola Single Board Computers. It works quite well for me. Ages ago I'd used ProComm and Telix. With all of the above, if it isn't working, you probably don't have it set up correctly. Period. At 09:13 PM 8/5/03 -0400, you wrote: > Mine is 4.8. I have a real copy, but I think there is (or was) a > 30-day eval >version on their website. I only stick with it because it's what I'm used >to, and I have a number of macros. > > The important thing about selecting a com program is not that it > must be >ProComm, but that it must NOT be HyperTerm (or HyperDooDoo, as we refer to >it. I really don't understand what strangle hold those people have on MS. I >mean, OK, put aside one's hate for MS, it's the worst product they ship, and >not representative of the rest of Windows). > > --John > > >On Tuesday 05 August 2003 15:47 pm, Joe wrote: > > At 07:23 PM 8/5/03 -0400, you wrote: > > > Under Options->System Options->Modem Connection...->Modem Connection > > >Properties...->Use Hardware Handshaking is the option for hardware > > >handshaking. Out of the box Procomm has hardware handshaking enabled, so > > >this could possibly be your problem. I usually leave the three checkboxes > > >unchecked, except in the rarest of cases. > > > > > > I would also make sure you're connected to the com port, and not > through > > > a modem connection (down in the status line at the bottom, 3rd box from > > > the left, you can click to select the com port. direct connect-Com1 is > > > most typical. > > > > > > Sorry if any of this is obvious (like the com ports). I dunno > what your > > >familiarity is with ProComm. > > > > Sounds like you have a newer version than mine. Mine is 1.1B IIRC. It has > > boxs that say Yes or No or you can enter things like Half or Full in the > > Duplex entry. It has two places for handshaking, one is for software > > (XON/XOFF) and the other for hardware (CTS/DTR). You can turn each on or > > off individually. I've tried every combination of Off and On but it doesn't > > make a difference. I am connected to the corrrect port (2) if I switch it > > to Comm 1 the various ready lights on the breakout box all go out. > > > > Joe From stgeorge at myhome.net Tue Aug 5 21:46:03 2003 From: stgeorge at myhome.net (Real Name :) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Your old PC jr. Message-ID: Hi, I ran across a reference to your webpage; searching for a power supply for my 386-25 . If you haven't given away your computer, I'd like to suggest that you hook it up, as an X-10 box, for home automation . The freeware that comes with X-10; probably won't run on a machine that old; but I'm told that the device works off a serial port; and that there is software out there; that was written specifically to use this standard on "older" machines . Also, take a look at the big manufacturers of home/industrial electrical contracting equipment . There are clock boards, eprom cards, your old box, is still valuable, TO YOU . Hava-goodun, Ken . From Edward.Tillman at valero.com Tue Aug 5 21:52:00 2003 From: Edward.Tillman at valero.com (Tillman, Edward) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Primate Programming Message-ID: Speaking of former Soviet (ne Russian) programmers -- When was the last time one of *US* developed a tetris, or programmed a rotating Rubik's cube to be both defeatable and indefeatable? They got some pretty sharp cookies over there... Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman@valero.com -----Original Message----- From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 5:20 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Primate Programming At 10:05 PM 8/5/03 -0400, R. D. Davis wrote: >Quothe Tillman, Edward, from writings of Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:06:20PM -0500: >> And both management and users treat/pay us like lower-level primates too... > >The interesting thing about this is that a large percentage of >management and users are much closer to primates, intellectually >speaking, than we are. > >> From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] >> This pretty much sums up the current state of the IT job market in the US >> right now ;) > >Do you mean that an IT job market still exists in the U.S.? That is, >aside from the H1 visa employees imported for cheap labor along with >the cheap outsourced overseas labor. > I saw a funny article the other day. In it the Indians were whining about all the programming jobs that THEY were losing to the Asian and former Soviet countries. Joe From CCZEISS at aol.com Tue Aug 5 21:57:40 2003 From: CCZEISS at aol.com (CCZEISS@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: DEC Message-ID: <133.237cdf25.2c6142a6@aol.com> Hi, How much for the H789/ BA11M? Thanks, Paul From alexsan at go.ro Tue Aug 5 22:03:32 2003 From: alexsan at go.ro (Alex San) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: v20 Message-ID: <20030805185333.17759.qmail@s1.home.ro> hi eric!my name is alex and i am olso looking for documantation about nec\'s v20 controller.i search on their site but i found nothing.can you please send my what you could find about it?i am interested in anything about v20!thank you! ---- Home, no matter how far... http://www.home.ro From bradyd at earthlink.net Tue Aug 5 22:13:52 2003 From: bradyd at earthlink.net (David Hata-Brady) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Saw a post on Classic CMP.org Message-ID: Are you still looking for copies of the TAM disks? I have a complete set, and will complete whatever you're missing. Let me know what you can trade, or send me the number of blanks and a postage paid mailer... David From sieler at allegro.com Tue Aug 5 22:19:31 2003 From: sieler at allegro.com (Stan Sieler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: HP Integral questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3F2FE1E9.28446.2E8B7E59@localhost> Hi, > 1) What's the space on top, under the printer cover, for? I've found the I've only seen it used for mouse/cable storage. > 2) One of the cards I have in the machine is the interface for the 82904 > expansion unit. Cool! I've got the expansion unit, but can't recall if I have the 82904 card or not. I definitely don't have a cable for the unit :( > 4) A really long shot, but that expansion unit card is taking up a slot > that could be better used for something else. So does anyone know where I > might find a serial card (either RS232 or current loop, preferably the > former) or a GPIO card? I've seen serial cards (I think), and a combo SCSI/serial card from a third party ... I'll try to find the info. > I also think I need a hard disk. I have whichever version of the 9133 is > around 20Mbytes here, which I believe should work. However, I have > questions about that too I could trade a hard drive for the 82904 card :) Stan -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html From dittman at dittman.net Tue Aug 5 22:26:00 2003 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Reading a VMS CD-ROM for SIMH under Windows? In-Reply-To: <760A9E736CF3E84588FA8D79F79F029D02DF71@barnes.bitsolve.net> from "David Barnes" at Aug 05, 2003 08:35:05 PM Message-ID: <20030806031248.09C017F83@dittman.net> > Guys, it gets better... I've got a working ISO and can boot to the > SYSBOOT> prompt (b/10000001 dua3) from sys1 on the CD but the system > Fails to boot further reporting DUA3 (CD/ISO) has been write locked > And mount verification is in progress.. > > I have seen this reported elsewhere for the 7.2 hobbyist kit.. > So what's the fix?? How do I boot a vax without a vax (simh) > Installation? How did you create the ISO and what is the configuration you are using with SIMH? -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From cisin at xenosoft.com Tue Aug 5 22:31:33 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: UK: tape winder? Atlas Autocode charset (flexowriter) In-Reply-To: <200308060206.h7626V84021162@spies.com> References: <200308060206.h7626V84021162@spies.com> Message-ID: <20030805201530.Q75739@newshell.lmi.net> > A better solution would be to write > a program that does a simple array-based look-up. Assuming the > Flex-o-writer uses EBCIDC, here's a chart that might be handy Do you mean EBCDIC? On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Al Kossow wrote: > you mean, like the one I posted here yesterday? > > does ANYONE bother to read my posts here? Your code was quite readable for anybody familiar with C > FWIW, it is NOT EBCIDC (sic), and has upper/lower case state which > has to be remembered. Is there a name commonly used for that code? From healyzh at aracnet.com Tue Aug 5 22:37:09 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Mainframe emulators In-Reply-To: <200308052153.48331.jcwren@jcwren.com> from "J.C. Wren" at Aug 05, 2003 09:53:48 PM Message-ID: <200308060321.h763Lp0G028378@shell1.aracnet.com> > Anyone had experience with Hercules (http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules/), a > System/370, ESA/390, and z/Architecture emulator? > > --John Define experince. :^) I've had it working before, but don't know enough about the OS to be able to do anything. Basically the only thing you can get to run on it is an ancient version of MVS. Zane From rdd at rddavis.org Tue Aug 5 22:43:00 2003 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Primate Programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030806033234.GD26754@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Quothe Tillman, Edward, from writings of Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 09:47:30PM -0500: > Speaking of former Soviet (ne Russian) programmers -- When was the last > time one of *US* developed a tetris, or programmed a rotating Rubik's cube > to be both defeatable and indefeatable? They got some pretty sharp cookies > over there... That's not doing any of us any good over here who were put out of work by cheap foreign labor and greedy management droids seeking bigger bonuses for making shareholders very happy. Free trade has gone too far. What we need is for all non-management employees working as programmers, web site designers, etc., who are U.S. citizens, to go on strike---while also demanding time-and-a-half back pay in order to resume work when the strike is over. This would be all the more effective if those working for the government doing defense work that can't be turned over to the foreigners go on strike as well. That's one way to make 'droids and politicians feel some heat for the problems they've caused. Ok, it will probably never happen, but it's neat to think about. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 5 22:48:25 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: UK: tape winder? Atlas Autocode charset (flexowriter) In-Reply-To: <200308060206.h7626V84021162@spies.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030805222009.51e72192@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 07:06 PM 8/5/03 -0700, you wrote: > A better solution would be to write >a program that does a simple array-based look-up. Assuming the >Flex-o-writer uses EBCIDC, here's a chart that might be handy > >-- > >you mean, like the one I posted here yesterday? > >does ANYONE bother to read my posts here? Yeap. From teoz at neo.rr.com Tue Aug 5 22:54:34 2003 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (TeoZ) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Primate Programming References: <3.0.6.16.20030805221930.4997e72e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <00d701c35bc4$5c62c3c0$347ca418@neo.rr.com> Dont worry in 50 years when the poorest aboriginee/pakistani/african is economically better off then the people in the USA, jobs in IT will come back with a vengeance here. You can always find people willing to take a position for less money, but will the job actually get done as needed? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Primate Programming > At 10:05 PM 8/5/03 -0400, R. D. Davis wrote: > >Quothe Tillman, Edward, from writings of Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:06:20PM > -0500: > >> And both management and users treat/pay us like lower-level primates too... > > > >The interesting thing about this is that a large percentage of > >management and users are much closer to primates, intellectually > >speaking, than we are. > > > >> From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] > >> This pretty much sums up the current state of the IT job market in the US > >> right now ;) > > > >Do you mean that an IT job market still exists in the U.S.? That is, > >aside from the H1 visa employees imported for cheap labor along with > >the cheap outsourced overseas labor. > > > > I saw a funny article the other day. In it the Indians were whining > about all the programming jobs that THEY were losing to the Asian and > former Soviet countries. > > Joe From cisin at xenosoft.com Tue Aug 5 22:54:41 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Saw a post on Classic CMP.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030805201848.C75739@newshell.lmi.net> How many posts do we get per week of people who saw something in an archive, and don't realize that they are posting to a mailing list? From dittman at dittman.net Tue Aug 5 22:55:00 2003 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Mainframe emulators In-Reply-To: <200308060321.h763Lp0G028378@shell1.aracnet.com> from "Zane H. Healy" at Aug 05, 2003 08:21:51 PM Message-ID: <20030806034951.358C37F83@dittman.net> > > Anyone had experience with Hercules (http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules/), a > > System/370, ESA/390, and z/Architecture emulator? > > > > --John > > Define experince. :^) I've had it working before, but don't know enough > about the OS to be able to do anything. Basically the only thing you can > get to run on it is an ancient version of MVS. If you by "the only thing you can get to run on it" means the only legally available software, then, yes, along with an old version of VM/370. If you mean it won't run anything but old versions of software, then, no, Hercules will also run OS/390 and other modern software. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From healyzh at aracnet.com Tue Aug 5 22:57:00 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Reading a VMS CD-ROM for SIMH under Windows? In-Reply-To: <20030806031248.09C017F83@dittman.net> from "Eric Dittman" at Aug 05, 2003 10:12:48 PM Message-ID: <200308060356.h763uMYi028896@shell1.aracnet.com> > > Guys, it gets better... I've got a working ISO and can boot to the > > SYSBOOT> prompt (b/10000001 dua3) from sys1 on the CD but the system > > Fails to boot further reporting DUA3 (CD/ISO) has been write locked > > And mount verification is in progress.. > > > > I have seen this reported elsewhere for the 7.2 hobbyist kit.. > > So what's the fix?? How do I boot a vax without a vax (simh) > > Installation? > > How did you create the ISO and what is the configuration you are > using with SIMH? > -- > Eric Dittman > dittman@dittman.net > I've not attempted it with the VAX version of SIMH. However, I have used ISO's made by doing a Simple dd from CD-R to disk image under the PDP-11 version. Yes, I can actually do PDP-11 OS installs from CD. Zane From dittman at dittman.net Tue Aug 5 23:03:00 2003 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Reading a VMS CD-ROM for SIMH under Windows? In-Reply-To: <200308060356.h763uMYi028896@shell1.aracnet.com> from "Zane H. Healy" at Aug 05, 2003 08:56:22 PM Message-ID: <20030806040106.EE0C37F83@dittman.net> > > > Guys, it gets better... I've got a working ISO and can boot to the > > > SYSBOOT> prompt (b/10000001 dua3) from sys1 on the CD but the system > > > Fails to boot further reporting DUA3 (CD/ISO) has been write locked > > > And mount verification is in progress.. > > > > > > I have seen this reported elsewhere for the 7.2 hobbyist kit.. > > > So what's the fix?? How do I boot a vax without a vax (simh) > > > Installation? > > > > How did you create the ISO and what is the configuration you are > > using with SIMH? > > I've not attempted it with the VAX version of SIMH. However, I have used > ISO's made by doing a Simple dd from CD-R to disk image under the PDP-11 > version. Yes, I can actually do PDP-11 OS installs from CD. I've used dd to create ISOs for installing on the VAX simulator. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From healyzh at aracnet.com Tue Aug 5 23:25:01 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Mainframe emulators In-Reply-To: <20030806034951.358C37F83@dittman.net> from "Eric Dittman" at Aug 05, 2003 10:49:51 PM Message-ID: <200308060424.h764Oais029252@shell1.aracnet.com> > > Define experince. :^) I've had it working before, but don't know enough > > about the OS to be able to do anything. Basically the only thing you can > > get to run on it is an ancient version of MVS. > > If you by "the only thing you can get to run on it" means the only legally > available software, then, yes, along with an old version of VM/370. If you > mean it won't run anything but old versions of software, then, no, Hercules > will also run OS/390 and other modern software. Well, since OS/390 or other such modern software is basically impossible to obtain... But, yes, I'm aware you can run current software on it. Hold on, are you saying it's possible to get an old version of VM/370?!?! Where????? Zane From andyh at andyh-rayleigh.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 5 23:42:01 2003 From: andyh at andyh-rayleigh.freeserve.co.uk (Andy Holt) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: UK: tape winder? Atlas Autocode charset (flexowriter) In-Reply-To: <200308060206.h7626V84021162@spies.com> Message-ID: <002101c35bd4$63fe2420$4d4d2c0a@atx> > FWIW, it is NOT EBCIDC, and has upper/lower case state which > has to be remembered. > How many track is this tape? seems like most solutions suggested so far are for 8-track and I ISTR that Atlas normally used 7-track but I thought only 5-t used shifts. Internally Atlas probably used a 3-shift code (as later used by the 1900 for paper-tape) with 6-bit characters as was common for computers in those pre-ascii days. If it is 5-track a greater degree of care will be required with the use of a winder as that narrow tape twisted and snarled-up so much more easily than the wider forms. Andy From dittman at dittman.net Tue Aug 5 23:43:00 2003 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Mainframe emulators In-Reply-To: <200308060424.h764Oais029252@shell1.aracnet.com> from "Zane H. Healy" at Aug 05, 2003 09:24:36 PM Message-ID: <20030806044122.2B5747F83@dittman.net> > > > Define experince. :^) I've had it working before, but don't know enough > > > about the OS to be able to do anything. Basically the only thing you can > > > get to run on it is an ancient version of MVS. > > > > If you by "the only thing you can get to run on it" means the only legally > > available software, then, yes, along with an old version of VM/370. If you > > mean it won't run anything but old versions of software, then, no, Hercules > > will also run OS/390 and other modern software. > > Well, since OS/390 or other such modern software is basically impossible to > obtain... But, yes, I'm aware you can run current software on it. Not impossible, just not easy, and definitely not legal. > Hold on, are you saying it's possible to get an old version of VM/370?!?! > Where????? I remember seeing something about it on the hercules mailing list a while ago. You could try searching the archives. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From spedraja at ono.com Wed Aug 6 00:20:01 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Mainframe emulators References: <200308052153.48331.jcwren@jcwren.com> Message-ID: <0a8e01c35bd9$a904c9c0$0f02a8c0@cavorita.net> I use it (from time to time actually). VM/370, MVS 3.8, OS/360, OS/VS and DOS/VS availables (not with the simulator, in diverse places along the Internet) It can load and work with Linux/390 It has some limitations accepted for everybody. By example, there is no ISPF or another program product in the software used. People use other substitutes. Cheers Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Wren" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:53 AM Subject: Mainframe emulators > Anyone had experience with Hercules (http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules/), a > System/370, ESA/390, and z/Architecture emulator? > > --John From jpl15 at panix.com Wed Aug 6 00:34:01 2003 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Saw a post on Classic CMP.org In-Reply-To: <20030805201848.C75739@newshell.lmi.net> References: <20030805201848.C75739@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Fred Cisin wrote: > How many posts do we get per week of people who saw something in an > archive, and don't realize that they are posting to a mailing list? > They seem to come in waves - sometimes there are three or four in a row (as in recent traffic) and then, a few weeks will go by with nary a one. The truly sad ones are where the person didn't notice the date-stamp on the message they are 'replying' to... and a year (or two) have elapsed in the interim. A fascinatingly fragmented archeology in the making... Cheers John From vcf at siconic.com Wed Aug 6 00:52:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: UK: tape winder? Atlas Autocode charset (flexowriter) In-Reply-To: <200308060206.h7626V84021162@spies.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Al Kossow wrote: > A better solution would be to write > a program that does a simple array-based look-up. Assuming the > Flex-o-writer uses EBCIDC, here's a chart that might be handy > > -- > > you mean, like the one I posted here yesterday? > > does ANYONE bother to read my posts here? Yes, I do, all of them. But I can't remember past noon, let alone all the way to yesterday :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vcf at siconic.com Wed Aug 6 00:54:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Primate Programming In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030805221930.4997e72e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > I saw a funny article the other day. In it the Indians were whining > about all the programming jobs that THEY were losing to the Asian and > former Soviet countries. Last Sunday's Dilbert was frickin hilarious: http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20030803.html -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vcf at siconic.com Wed Aug 6 00:57:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Primate Programming In-Reply-To: <20030806033234.GD26754@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, R. D. Davis wrote: > That's not doing any of us any good over here who were put out of work > by cheap foreign labor and greedy management droids seeking bigger > bonuses for making shareholders very happy. Free trade has gone too > far. What we need is for all non-management employees working as > programmers, web site designers, etc., who are U.S. citizens, to go > on strike---while also demanding time-and-a-half back pay in order to > resume work when the strike is over. This would be all the more > effective if those working for the government doing defense work that > can't be turned over to the foreigners go on strike as well. That's > one way to make 'droids and politicians feel some heat for the > problems they've caused. Ok, it will probably never happen, but it's > neat to think about. At the risk of sending this further off-topic, if we stuck with this philosophy then we'd all still be tilling fields. Evolve or become extinct. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vcf at siconic.com Wed Aug 6 01:02:01 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Primate Programming In-Reply-To: <00d701c35bc4$5c62c3c0$347ca418@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, TeoZ wrote: > You can always find people willing to take a position for less money, but > will the job actually get done as needed? Why shouldn't it? 50 Rupees an hour may only be US$1 an hour but it may well go a lot farther to a hacker in India who taught himself C++ and knows it better than any college computer science graduate. Also, America has its fair share of monkey programmers too, you know. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Wed Aug 6 01:46:00 2003 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Peter Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: ECMA 46 tape standard In-Reply-To: Paul Williams "Re: ECMA 46 tape standard" (Aug 5, 23:48) References: <10308052307.ZM17611@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> <3F303453.2050107@frixxon.co.uk> Message-ID: <10308060732.ZM17939@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Aug 5, 23:48, Paul Williams wrote: > No, that's ECMA Technical Report TR/46, "Security in Open Systems - A > Security Framework". Oops, sorry. However, you might like to look round the site -- there used to be a way to order a free copy of most reports that weren't online. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From SPEDRAJA at ono.com Wed Aug 6 02:33:00 2003 From: SPEDRAJA at ono.com (Sergio Pedraja Cabo) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Old IBM machines Message-ID: Perhaps somebody can have some interest in these items: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=1247&item=2746220303 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=1247&item=2746223305 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=1247&item=2746236697 Of course, if I should have sufficient money I should have no doubt ! Greetings Sergio From tim.challenor at tcns.co.uk Wed Aug 6 04:13:00 2003 From: tim.challenor at tcns.co.uk (Tim Challenor) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: v20 In-Reply-To: <20030805185333.17759.qmail@s1.home.ro> Message-ID: Try checking the forums at http://cpu-museum.de/ Tim On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 07:53 pm, Alex San wrote: > hi eric!my name is alex and i am olso looking for documantation about > nec\'s v20 controller.i search on their site but i found nothing.can > you please send my what you could find about it?i am interested in > anything about v20!thank you! > > > > > > ---- > > Home, no matter how far... > http://www.home.ro From waltje at pdp11.nl Wed Aug 6 08:47:01 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Reading a VMS CD-ROM for SIMH under Windows? In-Reply-To: <760A9E736CF3E84588FA8D79F79F029D02DF71@barnes.bitsolve.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, David Barnes wrote: > Guys, it gets better... I've got a working ISO and can boot to the > SYSBOOT> prompt (b/10000001 dua3) from sys1 on the CD but the system > Fails to boot further reporting DUA3 (CD/ISO) has been write locked > And mount verification is in progress.. > > I have seen this reported elsewhere for the 7.2 hobbyist kit.. > So what's the fix?? How do I boot a vax without a vax (simh) > Installation? Well.. depending on what you did and how you configured SimH, we may have a case where VMS *believes* it is running on a regular disk, rather than a CDROM (RO disk.) I'd do att rq0 cdrom-device /TYPE:RRD42 or somesuch to make sure it knows it's booting off an RRD42, rather than some RAxx or RDxx drive. Also, You can boot that drive with the usual sequence (boot du3 in >>>) and don't need the /1 switch, causing it to go into entertainment (...) mode. *worst* case, create an RAxx image file, copy the CDROM contents into it (dd if=/dev/cdrom of=disk.dsk) and then boot... even though it doesnt make sense, you now boot off a R/W "CDROM", so VMS wont complain. --f From allain at panix.com Wed Aug 6 08:56:00 2003 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: UK: tape winder? Atlas Autocode charset (flexowriter) References: <200308060206.h7626V84021162@spies.com> <20030805201530.Q75739@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: <012701c35c21$b1c41640$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> > does ANYONE bother to read my posts here? I did, actually. Had a question about c==073. What is That for and why is it only in the lowercase section? IE it looked buglike. John A. From tothwolf at concentric.net Wed Aug 6 09:49:00 2003 From: tothwolf at concentric.net (Tothwolf) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Any Procomm experts out there? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030805221612.110faa12@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.16.20030805194709.0fbfec1c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030805173443.3c3fb64e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030805194709.0fbfec1c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030805221612.110faa12@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > At 09:13 PM 8/5/03 -0400, John wrote: > > > Mine is 4.8. I have a real copy, but I think there is (or was) a > > 30-day eval version on their website. I only stick with it because > > it's what I'm used to, and I have a number of macros. > > I have a real copy too. Just a real OLD copy! :-/ Does 1.0 for DOS or Procomm Plus 2.0 for DOS (which not long ago cost me $5 boxed, at a second hand book sale) count? IMHO, Procomm Plus 2.0 for DOS is perfect except that it does not have settings for baud rates higher than 115200 (and how often do you need those anyway?) -Toth From ghldbrd at ccp.com Wed Aug 6 10:02:00 2003 From: ghldbrd at ccp.com (ghldbrd@ccp.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: <079B25363181274D878A08678AFEA1E0167EFB@KC1EXVS01.dsionline.com> References: <079B25363181274D878A08678AFEA1E0167EFB@KC1EXVS01.dsionline.com> Message-ID: <3920.65.123.179.157.1060181942.squirrel@webmail.ccp.com> The lastest ones are "have gotten" and "enthused", which have become commonplace in our English. May Edwin Neumann have mercy on our fractured words. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO > My pet peeve is the use of "I've got..", "You've got...", "They've got..", > etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Sissel [mailto:James.Sissel@labone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 9:19 AM > To: kclug@kclug.org > Subject: RE: Work In KC Area? > > > My pet peeve is people who don't know the difference between your and > you're. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Monty J. Harder [mailto:lists@kc.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:42 PM > To: kclug@kclug.org > Subject: Re: Work In KC Area? > > > "Steven Elling" wrote: > >> I wish I would of known that before I went to DeVRY. I would of just >> went >> to Goodland VoTech and saved a bunch of money in tuition and living >> expenses. Plus, I would of been better off. > > I suggest that a bit broader education, which includes some English to > go > along with the technical classes, would _have_ served you better yet. > You used the word 'of' four times above, and three of (heh) them should be > 'have': > > 'would have known' > 'would have just gone' (not 'went') > 'would have been' > > > > There. I'm the freaking Grammar Nazi. From jrkeys at concentric.net Wed Aug 6 10:02:13 2003 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Looking for manuals Message-ID: <015601c35c2b$4a34a8a0$810cdd40@oemcomputer> Does anyone on the list have any written material on the IBM Mag Card/A? Email me off list. Thanks From jrkeys at concentric.net Wed Aug 6 10:05:01 2003 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Saw a post on Classic CMP.org References: Message-ID: <016201c35c2b$b692f7e0$810cdd40@oemcomputer> Thanks I will take copies of all the CD's to be safe. Let me know how many blanks you need and a mailing address? Thanks again. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hata-Brady" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: Saw a post on Classic CMP.org > Are you still looking for copies of the TAM disks? I have a complete set, > and will complete whatever you're missing. Let me know what you can trade, > or send me the number of blanks and a postage paid mailer... > > David From patrick at evocative.com Wed Aug 6 11:35:01 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: <3920.65.123.179.157.1060181942.squirrel@webmail.ccp.com> Message-ID: > > My pet peeve is people who don't know the difference between your and > > you're. Mine is "utilize" and all its forms. What is wrong with "use"? Every time I see this, I think of some marketing type trying desperately to upgrade his/her sixth-grade writing skills to a full seventh. Nothing that crosses my desk for review gets by with it. --Patrick :-) From pcw at mesanet.com Wed Aug 6 11:58:00 2003 From: pcw at mesanet.com (Peter C. Wallace) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Patrick Rigney wrote: > > > My pet peeve is people who don't know the difference between your and > > > you're. > > Mine is "utilize" and all its forms. What is wrong with "use"? Every time > I see this, I think of some marketing type trying desperately to upgrade > his/her sixth-grade writing skills to a full seventh. Nothing that crosses > my desk for review gets by with it. --Patrick :-) > Mine is Architected. It always makes me think of someone bludgeoning people by swinging an architect around by his/her ankles... Peter Wallace From jpl15 at panix.com Wed Aug 6 12:06:00 2003 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: Very OT: Grammer / Speeling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Verbing nouns wierds language" John From patrick at evocative.com Wed Aug 6 12:27:00 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Mine is Architected. It always makes me think of someone bludgeoning > people by swinging an architect around by his/her ankles... ROFL! So, you've invented a new weapon... the architrebuchet? ;-) From cisin at xenosoft.com Wed Aug 6 12:31:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:12 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030806102530.X80702@newshell.lmi.net> > > > > My pet peeve is people who don't know the difference between your and > > > > you're. > > Mine is "utilize" and all its forms. What is wrong with "use"? Every time > Mine is Architected. It always makes me think of someone bludgeoning "dialog" as a verb "you need to dialog that among yourselves" From pcw at mesanet.com Wed Aug 6 13:39:01 2003 From: pcw at mesanet.com (Peter C. Wallace) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: <20030806102530.X80702@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Fred Cisin wrote: > > > > > My pet peeve is people who don't know the difference between your and > > > > > you're. > > > Mine is "utilize" and all its forms. What is wrong with "use"? Every time > > Mine is Architected. It always makes me think of someone bludgeoning > > "dialog" as a verb "you need to dialog that among yourselves" > Ouch, that's painful... Peter Wallace From donm at cts.com Wed Aug 6 13:50:00 2003 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Patrick Rigney wrote: > > > > > My pet peeve is people who don't know the difference between your and > > > > you're. > > > > Mine is "utilize" and all its forms. What is wrong with "use"? Every time > > I see this, I think of some marketing type trying desperately to upgrade > > his/her sixth-grade writing skills to a full seventh. Nothing that crosses > > my desk for review gets by with it. --Patrick :-) > > > > Mine is Architected. It always makes me think of someone bludgeoning > people by swinging an architect around by his/her ankles... > > > > Peter Wallace > The idea has a certain charm, though, in that it might well do as much damage to the architect as to the people ;> - don From ghldbrd at ccp.com Wed Aug 6 13:55:01 2003 From: ghldbrd at ccp.com (Gary Hildebrand) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: remembering old thread from about a year ago: Tek scope References: <1125.65.123.179.186.1058750193.squirrel@webmail.ccp.com> Message-ID: <3F314D1F.BB1CC894@ccp.com> John Lawson wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 ghldbrd@ccp.com wrote: > > > I picked up a Tek 321 scope, and I remembered a thread about a year or so > > ago about someone with a Tek 3" scope looking for help getting it going. > > A very nice gentleman in Austrailia needed the docs for same - I sent > him the service and operator's manuals, and he fixed his scope, and sent > me back my doc. > > So do be aware that I have these, if you need them. > > Cheerz > > John I sent you an e-mail some time back and never heard anything -------- ??? I would like to borrow that book and get my little gem working again. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Wed Aug 6 15:08:00 2003 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Peter Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: "Peter C. Wallace" "Re: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area?" (Aug 6, 9:54) References: Message-ID: <10308062104.ZM6599@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Aug 6, 9:54, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Patrick Rigney wrote: > > James Sissel wrote" > > > > > > My pet peeve is people who don't know the difference between your and > > > > you're. > > > > Mine is "utilize" and all its forms. What is wrong with "use"? > Mine is Architected. It always makes me think of someone bludgeoning > people by swinging an architect around by his/her ankles... Mine is "burglarized" (or "-ised"). The noun is "burglar", the verb is "burgle", and the past tense is "burgled". "To burglarize" would be to turn someone into a burglar. On Aug 6, 13:00, John Lawson wrote: > "Verbing nouns wierds language" Indeed :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From dave at naffnet.org.uk Wed Aug 6 15:51:00 2003 From: dave at naffnet.org.uk (Dave Woodman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? References: <10308062104.ZM6599@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> Message-ID: <3F316989.5050903@naffnet.org.uk> Peter Turnbull wrote: >Mine is "burglarized" (or "-ised"). The noun is "burglar", the verb is >"burgle", and the past tense is "burgled". "To burglarize" would be to >turn someone into a burglar. > > 'Nearly unique' (and all such such misuses) cause me to want to correct someone. Let's not forget the great marketing term that has now fallen into seeming acceptability - the 'Intranet!' Did someone invent the Intranetworking Protocol whilst I was not looking? Are marketing types completely unable to distinguish between 'The Internet' and 'an internet?' Dave. From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Aug 6 16:06:00 2003 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: <3F316989.5050903@naffnet.org.uk> Message-ID: > completely unable to distinguish between 'The Internet' and 'an internet?' > > Dave. Marketrioids can't pronounce the capital "I". :) g. From dave at naffnet.org.uk Wed Aug 6 16:17:00 2003 From: dave at naffnet.org.uk (Dave Woodman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? References: Message-ID: <3F316FA4.9010307@naffnet.org.uk> Gene Buckle wrote: > >Marketrioids can't pronounce the capital "I". :) > With marketroids, the capital 'I' is self-referential and vastly over used! :-) Dave From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 6 17:01:01 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: Your old PC jr. In-Reply-To: from "Real Name :" at Aug 4, 3 11:44:46 pm Message-ID: > Hi, > > I ran across a reference to your webpage; > searching for a power supply for my 386-25 . > > If you haven't given away your computer, > I'd like to suggest that you hook it up, as an X-10 box, > for home automation . I'm one of the PC-jr owners on this list. Alas I am in the UK, where X10 stuff is not common (it does exist over here, modified for 240V, 50Hz mains, but it's _very_ expensive). However, these older boxes are, indeed, useful for control applications. I must get round to designing my own version of X10 (Steve Ciarcia has at least one idea in his Circuit Cellar articles...) > There are clock boards, eprom cards, your old box, Err, the PC-jr doesn't have normal ISA slots, you know. Add-on modules for it are not common. They're not hard to design, though (I have the full TechRef, and the PC-jr bus is essentially the 8088 bus). > is still valuable, TO YOU . Isn't that a rather obvious statement on this list :-) -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 6 17:01:28 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: ECMA 46 tape standard In-Reply-To: <200308052350.h75NovKE005161@spies.com> from "Al Kossow" at Aug 5, 3 04:50:57 pm Message-ID: > I am pretty sure, though that this drive is not QIC11 (I did wonder about > coverting it to that format once many years ago as I needed a QIC11 drive > for the PERQ). > > -- > > Archive developed the movable head serpentine recording techinique that > begat QIC11 (and the 9 and 15 track formats) MANY years after 3M developed FWiW, the Penny and Giles drive I mentioned doesn't have a moveable head (it's got 4 separate windings, for the 4 tracks, in one fixed head). And it deosn't appear to use serpentine recording -- it implies it rewinds the tape at the end of each track. I have no idea how much of this is related to ECMA 46... -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 6 17:02:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: HP Integral questions In-Reply-To: <3F2FE1E9.28446.2E8B7E59@localhost> from "Stan Sieler" at Aug 5, 3 04:57:13 pm Message-ID: > Hi, > > 1) What's the space on top, under the printer cover, for? I've found the > > I've only seen it used for mouse/cable storage. After I sent that message, I found a mention of it in the 'cartoon strip' at the start of the user manual. It appears you can keep a few floppies and the mains lead there. However, it's very close to the paper feed stepper, so I'd not want to keep floppies there. And a UK mains lead doesn't really fit (the 13A BS1363 plug is large). Also, I tend to have plenty of mains leads on the bench anyway. So I keep the mosue there -- it fits almost perfectly... > > 4) A really long shot, but that expansion unit card is taking up a slot > > that could be better used for something else. So does anyone know where I > > might find a serial card (either RS232 or current loop, preferably the > > former) or a GPIO card? > > I've seen serial cards (I think), and a combo SCSI/serial card from a > third party ... I'll try to find the info. I saw a photo on a web page of a combined serial and memory card. It looked to be 2 stacked PCBs with the component sides facing each other. I also saw a photo of the HP serial card. It seems to use a 68681 serial chip and some TTL. Looks possible to reproduce if I could figure out the addressing and what the config and ID registers would have to be like. However, I'd rather find a ready-made card (preferably HP)... HP made at least 3 serial cards. One was RS232, another was current loop, and the third was a 300/1200 bps modem. THe last is not particularly useful (but would, I guess, be better than nothing), the RS232 one is clearly the most desirable... > > > I also think I need a hard disk. I have whichever version of the 9133 is > > around 20Mbytes here, which I believe should work. However, I have > > questions about that too > > I could trade a hard drive for the 82904 card :) I've hooked up the 9133, works great. So I don't need another hard disk unit. And with my luck, as soon as I get rid of the 82904 card, somebody will give me an expansion unit. So I am hanging on to that card for the moment :-) One thing worries me -- replacing the hard disk unit in the 9133. It's clearly a standard ST225 drive. But if I replace it with such a drive from the 'PC bits' pile, the 9133 gives a fault indication. Clearly the drive needs to be low-level formatted. Anyone know how to do that? Is there a routine for that in the 9133 ROMs? (maybe one of the self-tests?) I don't need to replace the hard disk at the moment, but (a) it might fail one day and (b) I have a second 9133 which has a lot of MS-DOS software for theHP150 on the hard disk. I might need more storage on the Integral, in which case being able to swap out the drive in the second unit would save me a lot of floppy-shuffling.... -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 6 17:02:05 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: Please help - misbehavin' HP-71b In-Reply-To: <002901c35a62$a378be80$0201a8c0@ramphome.com> from "Nick Koleszar" at Aug 4, 3 09:30:18 am Message-ID: > I hope someone can quickly let me know the answer. > > Is it normal for an HP-71b that has been without batteries or use for a > while to refuse to start up once you put batteries in _until_ the PSU is > plugged-in? Once it's been started with the PSU plugged-in, it works No it's not normal... The PSU is just an 8V mains transformer with poor regulation. In the HP71, the output of that transformer is rectified and smoothed, and then fed to the same (discrete component) regulator circuit as the batteries (no attempt is made to charge the batteries, BTW). The only thing I can think of is that the PSU probably gives a higher input voltage to the regulator than the batteries do. Why that should help it start up I don't know (according to the schematics I have, everything runs off the output of the regulator). Is this problem repeatable? If you pull the batteries and leave it overnight (and, in fact, to ensure the darn thing is fully discharged, short the outside 2 pins of the card reader connector with the batteries and PSU removed), and then put the batteries in, does it still refuse to start? I assume you have no modules in the machine. -tony From patrick at evocative.com Wed Aug 6 17:04:00 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: <3F316989.5050903@naffnet.org.uk> Message-ID: > Did someone invent the > Intranetworking Protocol whilst I was not looking? I don't know, but I'm sure the answer is on your corporate Extranet. From SUPRDAVE at aol.com Wed Aug 6 21:58:00 2003 From: SUPRDAVE at aol.com (SUPRDAVE@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: Genuine IBM ISA cards/EPROMS available Message-ID: <184.1ed0da60.2c63196c@aol.com> Ive got a bunch of IBM 8bit ISA cards available. I've got floppy controllers ASYNC card full length prototype cards host and extender cards for the expansion chassis parallel card a '32kb mem cd.' keyboard interface card for a 3270pc something called a keyboard mux interface MAXIMIZER multifunction card from sigma designs rev 3.0 dozens of 64-256k memory exp cards Toshiba 2756d-20 EPROMS labeled with BIOS-related notes AMD EPROMS 6231572 a33289 8720fp labeled with IBM MACH PN11F5062 AMD EPROMS AM27c256 TI 2764jl-25 tmm23256p-5879 copyright IBM intel d27256-25 AMD 6212424 some labeled with IBM PN 25F9523 1990 Some more labeled IBM MACH PN 11F6368 Intel 6833145 8425 L4289089S AMD 27256DC I was told some of these chips are BIOSes for the XT, or AT or the XT/286 model although I have no way of telling. Any interest in this stuff? I only want enough to cover shipping and maybe the cost of a soda on the way to the post office. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org From nick at tcns.co.uk Thu Aug 7 01:43:01 2003 From: nick at tcns.co.uk (Nick Steel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As long as we're bitching, the hairs on the back of my neck stand up (all too frequently, as it's currently in vogue) when people try to be erudite (but prove the reverse) by referring to: "A myriad of...". Thank you. I feel so much better now (I think the lithium's kicking in). Nick (ever the aspiring cunning linguist) From tothwolf at concentric.net Thu Aug 7 02:04:00 2003 From: tothwolf at concentric.net (Tothwolf) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: Genuine IBM ISA cards/EPROMS available In-Reply-To: <184.1ed0da60.2c63196c@aol.com> References: <184.1ed0da60.2c63196c@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 SUPRDAVE@aol.com wrote: > Ive got a bunch of IBM 8bit ISA cards available. I've got > floppy controllers > ASYNC card > full length prototype cards > host and extender cards for the expansion chassis > I was told some of these chips are BIOSes for the XT, or AT or the > XT/286 model although I have no way of telling. Any interest in this > stuff? I only want enough to cover shipping and maybe the cost of a soda > on the way to the post office. Dave, I'm sure there is some interest in these kinds of parts. These are some of the types of parts I often look for. However... You never did respond to my emails about our last transaction, which I sent over a year and a half ago. I also sent an email to the list here, but without mentioning you name, in hopes you would at least respond off-list. [For the benefit of others, Dave sent me a box of 5.25" floppy drives, some MFM/ESDI hard drives, and some other assorted bits.] Had the drives and parts arrived in good condition, I would not have really minded that the shipping costs came out to be nearly twice what I had originally expected to pay, but that wasn't the case... Because you failed to pad the drives and simply packed them loose in the boxes you sent, a large number of them were crushed and heavily damaged. At least one of the boxes had the bottom fall out during transit, and it had been retaped with USPS branded packing tape. My postal carrier was even surprised at how poorly the items had been packed. Even though you didn't pack the drives properly, I still reimbursed you for postage, but it really bothers me that I paid in excess of $50 for what now mostly amounts to scrap plastic, aluminum, and pc boards. I had plans for some of the drives, especially the large ESDI drives, but those have large dents in their HDA covers, and I would be surprised of the platters were not damaged. Now all I really wanted to hear from you a year and a half was an apology, and maybe some assurance that you would be much more careful in packing items for others in the future, but you didn't even bother to respond. I really hope this email or even the last one I sent to the list will cause you to be more careful in the way you pack items for others. Caveat Emperor. -Toth From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 7 05:49:01 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: HP Integral questions In-Reply-To: <3F2FE1E9.28446.2E8B7E59@localhost> References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030807064715.3c87c5a8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 04:57 PM 8/5/03 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, >> 1) What's the space on top, under the printer cover, for? I've found the > >I've only seen it used for mouse/cable storage. That's exactly what HP says that it's for. It's just space left over from stuffing a MOL standard size ThinkJet prointer on top of the Integral. > >> 2) One of the cards I have in the machine is the interface for the 82904 >> expansion unit. > >Cool! I've got the expansion unit, but can't recall if I have the >82904 card or not. I definitely don't have a cable for the unit :( > >> 4) A really long shot, but that expansion unit card is taking up a slot >> that could be better used for something else. So does anyone know where I >> might find a serial card (either RS232 or current loop, preferably the >> former) or a GPIO card? Nope. > >I've seen serial cards (I think), and a combo SCSI/serial card from a >third party ... I'll try to find the info. I have a combination serial and memory card. Not for sale. > >> I also think I need a hard disk. I have whichever version of the 9133 is >> around 20Mbytes here, which I believe should work. However, I have >> questions about that too I think most of the HP-IB disk drives will work on the IPC even though they're not listed for it. All the ones that I've tried will work on it and I'm using a 7958 on mine. Joe > >I could trade a hard drive for the 82904 card :) > >Stan >-- >Stan Sieler >sieler@allegro.com >www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html From arcarlini at iee.org Thu Aug 7 06:14:01 2003 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001401c35cd4$a567eee0$5b01a8c0@athlon> > As long as we're bitching, the hairs on the back of my neck stand up > (all too frequently, as it's currently in vogue) when people > try to be erudite (but prove the reverse) by referring to: "A myriad of...". What's wrong with a "myriad of OT threads"? Seems reasonable to me (grammatically that is!). In one of the original meanings (ten thousand) it's probably close to the number of OT threads :-) Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From vcf at siconic.com Thu Aug 7 07:51:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: <20030806102530.X80702@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Fred Cisin wrote: > > > > > My pet peeve is people who don't know the difference between your and > > > > > you're. > > > Mine is "utilize" and all its forms. What is wrong with "use"? Every time > > Mine is Architected. It always makes me think of someone bludgeoning > > "dialog" as a verb "you need to dialog that among yourselves" When I was young I could never understand "party" as a verb. Now that I'm older I completely understand it. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vcf at siconic.com Thu Aug 7 07:57:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Nick Steel wrote: > As long as we're bitching, the hairs on the back of my neck stand up > (all too frequently, as it's currently in vogue) when people try to be > erudite (but prove the reverse) by referring to: "A myriad of...". It's a stupid word, widely misused, probably not very understood, and is better replaced with "bunch (of)" or "many" or even "plethora" which is a fun word because its not common and gets funny looks from the vocabularily challenged. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vcf at siconic.com Thu Aug 7 07:59:01 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: Genuine IBM ISA cards/EPROMS available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Tothwolf wrote: > You never did respond to my emails about our last transaction, which I > sent over a year and a half ago. I also sent an email to the list here, > but without mentioning you name, in hopes you would at least respond > off-list. Same experience here. Even after a couple attempts to revive the conversation...not a peep. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vcf at siconic.com Thu Aug 7 08:01:01 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: <001401c35cd4$a567eee0$5b01a8c0@athlon> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Antonio Carlini wrote: > > As long as we're bitching, the hairs on the back of my neck stand up > > (all too frequently, as it's currently in vogue) when people > > try to be erudite (but prove the reverse) by referring to: "A myriad > of...". > > What's wrong with a "myriad of OT threads"? Seems reasonable to me > (grammatically that is!). In one of the original meanings (ten thousand) > it's probably close to the number of OT threads :-) The proper usage is to speak of "myriad OT threads" (as in "many OT threads") but in recent years it's been misused to the point of becoming acceptable (to some I suppose) to use it in the manner you put it. Anyway, it's a dumb word and shouldn't be used because then it makes you look like you're trying to be smart by using some new exotic word you just learned but really you're dumb and you know it. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From jbmcb at hotmail.com Thu Aug 7 08:24:01 2003 From: jbmcb at hotmail.com (Jason McBrien) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: Your old PC jr. References: Message-ID: X10 stuff used to be really expensive in the US as well, until their patent expired and everyone and their brother started making compatable modules. I assume it's the same situation in the UK. They probably were awarded another patent for the same thing, but at 50Hz/240V :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Duell" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Your old PC jr. > > Hi, > > > > I ran across a reference to your webpage; > > searching for a power supply for my 386-25 . > > > > If you haven't given away your computer, > > I'd like to suggest that you hook it up, as an X-10 box, > > for home automation . > > I'm one of the PC-jr owners on this list. Alas I am in the UK, where X10 > stuff is not common (it does exist over here, modified for 240V, 50Hz > mains, but it's _very_ expensive). > > However, these older boxes are, indeed, useful for control applications. > I must get round to designing my own version of X10 (Steve Ciarcia has at > least one idea in his Circuit Cellar articles...) > > > There are clock boards, eprom cards, your old box, > > Err, the PC-jr doesn't have normal ISA slots, you know. Add-on modules > for it are not common. They're not hard to design, though (I have the > full TechRef, and the PC-jr bus is essentially the 8088 bus). > > > is still valuable, TO YOU . > > Isn't that a rather obvious statement on this list :-) > > -tony From gkicomputers at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 09:25:00 2003 From: gkicomputers at yahoo.com (steve) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030807142207.63655.qmail@web12408.mail.yahoo.com> --- Nick Steel wrote: > As long as we're bitching, the hairs on the back of > my neck stand up > (all too frequently, as it's currently in vogue) > when people try to be > erudite (but prove the reverse) by referring to: "A > myriad of...". > "A myriad of ..." is correct usage(although maybe not preferred), myriad can be used as a noun, like " A herd of cattle". From liste at artware.qc.ca Thu Aug 7 09:45:01 2003 From: liste at artware.qc.ca (liste@artware.qc.ca) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: media question (MO and tape) Message-ID: My father was emptying his office and broght home a box full of back ups. I have readers for most, except the following 2 : Sony 5 1/4 Magneto Optical Disk EDM-1DA1s Rewritable Maxell HS-8/112 Helical-Scan 8mm Data Cartridge I've googled around a bit and disovered very little about these medias beyond the fact the MO disks can contain 600mb. Question : what drives would be able to read these media? Would they be easily procurable for cheap? -Philip From liste at artware.qc.ca Thu Aug 7 09:47:00 2003 From: liste at artware.qc.ca (liste@artware.qc.ca) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: 24pin Printer looking for a home Message-ID: I was just given a Panasonic KX-P1123 24 pin Multi-Mode Printer. I have zero use for it. Generally I refuse dot-matrix printers, but it was 24 pin, which I haven't seem many of. Anyone want it? Free to a good home! Pick-up or you pay shipping from southern Qu?bec (J0B 2C0). -Philip From Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com Thu Aug 7 09:47:04 2003 From: Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com (Feldman, Robert) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? Message-ID: The last post prompted a trip to the dictionary (Websters New Universal Unabridged [1983]), where "myriad of ..." (any indefinitely large number) is indeed listed. Looking at adjacent entries, I did pick up a new, related word, the metric prefix "myria" (10,000) as in myriagram (10,000 grams), myrialiter (10,000 liters) and myriameter (10,000 meters). -----Original Message----- From: steve [mailto:gkicomputers@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:22 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? --- Nick Steel wrote: > As long as we're bitching, the hairs on the back of > my neck stand up > (all too frequently, as it's currently in vogue) > when people try to be > erudite (but prove the reverse) by referring to: "A > myriad of...". > "A myriad of ..." is correct usage(although maybe not preferred), myriad can be used as a noun, like " A herd of cattle". From nico at farumdata.dk Thu Aug 7 10:07:00 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: media question (MO and tape) References: Message-ID: <001501c35cf4$e4d75a00$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> > My father was emptying his office and broght home a box full of back ups. > I have readers for most, except the following 2 : > > Sony 5 1/4 Magneto Optical Disk EDM-1DA1s Rewritable > Maxell HS-8/112 Helical-Scan 8mm Data Cartridge > > Question : what drives would be able to read these media? Would they be > easily procurable for cheap? According to http://maxell2.finishdesign.biz/data-8hs8-112_p.html the Maxell tape is compatible with Exabyte. Physically, that is. Whether you can read it or not, depends on the software used to write the tape(s) eBay has some drives for sale at the moment (search for "optical disc") but I cannot see if they are fore 5.25" discs Nico From zmerch at 30below.com Thu Aug 7 10:29:00 2003 From: zmerch at 30below.com (Roger Merchberger) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: media question (MO and tape) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030807110248.02d46528@mail.30below.com> Rumor has it that liste@artware.qc.ca may have mentioned these words: >My father was emptying his office and broght home a box full of back ups. >I have readers for most, except the following 2 : > >Sony 5 1/4 Magneto Optical Disk EDM-1DA1s Rewritable >[snip] >I've googled around a bit and disovered very little about these medias >beyond the fact the MO disks can contain 600mb. There's two types of MO disks that are in the 600Mb range - 600Mb (300Mb per side, which IIRC are 512bytes/sector) and 650Mb (1024bytes/sector). AFAIK, these disks are not interchangeable. I have a MaxOptix Tahiti 1 drive, which reads either the 600Mb disks, or Maxtor came out with their own 512byte/sector disks, that put more sectors on each track as there was room. I received 3 disks when I got it - one 1G platter (500Mb per side), and 2 600Mb platters, however, the 1G platter would *never* format correctly; methinks that the platter was just b0rked. It read/wrote the 2 600Mb platters just fine, tho... I still have the drive; altho my main SCSI system is out-of-state right now; prolly until the beginning of next week. >Question : what drives would be able to read these media? Would they be >easily procurable for cheap? For stuff like this - Ebay would prolly be your best bet. Make sure, tho, that you get the right drive for the right MO disk you have; you can prolly get them pretty cheap nowadays tho. >-Philip HTH, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch@30below.com What do you do when Life gives you lemons, and you don't *like* lemonade????????????? From jpl15 at panix.com Thu Aug 7 11:50:01 2003 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: Interesting Burroughs Photo Site Message-ID: can be found here: http://www.cbi.umn.edu/IMAGES/index I haven't had time to see all 500, but the first few pages are worth the look... Cheers John From waltje at pdp11.nl Thu Aug 7 12:16:01 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > The proper usage is to speak of "myriad OT threads" (as in "many OT Wrong, it's "a myriad *of* " , defined as "a great number of things", "many things" and so on. > Anyway, it's a dumb word and shouldn't be used because then it makes > you That probably depends on where you learn English (and other languages), as it's just a word you can use. As it is in many other languages (most of which never to be understood by the average American..) --f From jhfinexgs2 at compsys.to Thu Aug 7 14:24:01 2003 From: jhfinexgs2 at compsys.to (Jerome H. Fine) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: media question (MO and tape) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030807110248.02d46528@mail.30below.com> Message-ID: <3F32A686.D65A736A@compsys.to> >Roger Merchberger wrote: > >Rumor has it that liste@artware.qc.ca may have mentioned these words: > >My father was emptying his office and broght home a box full of back ups. > >I have readers for most, except the following 2 : > >Sony 5 1/4 Magneto Optical Disk EDM-1DA1s Rewritable > >[snip] > >I've googled around a bit and disovered very little about these medias > >beyond the fact the MO disks can contain 600mb. > There's two types of MO disks that are in the 600Mb range - 600Mb (300Mb > per side, which IIRC are 512bytes/sector) and 650Mb (1024bytes/sector). > AFAIK, these disks are not interchangeable. I have a MaxOptix Tahiti 1 > drive, which reads either the 600Mb disks, or Maxtor came out with their > own 512byte/sector disks, that put more sectors on each track as there was > room. I received 3 disks when I got it - one 1G platter (500Mb per side), > and 2 600Mb platters, however, the 1G platter would *never* format > correctly; methinks that the platter was just b0rked. It read/wrote the 2 > 600Mb platters just fine, tho... Jerome Fine replies: I have been using these magneto optical media for about 10 years, on and off - mostly OFF since I first set up a system for a customer in 1990. At that time, there were the newest system available and had just managed to shift to RW media as opposed to WORM media that I had used a few years before that. The Sony EXTERNAL version is the Sony SMO S-501. Over the years, larger and still larger drives and media have become available with media that now holds about 5 GBytes. I can't remember the media part numbers, but as Roger stated, there are two types - 512 byte per sector media and 1024 byte per sector media. MOST of the time, I use ONLY the 512 byte per sector media since I always have in mind that I want the media to be readable on both my real DEC PDP-11 hardware (CQD 220/TM host adapter) plus using a PC with Windows 98 SE and Ersatz-11 with BOTH systems running RT-11 (what else with an RT-11 addict use?). BUT, while the software and firmware on the PDP-11 is unable to read the 1024 byte per sector media, on the PC that was not a problem the last time I tried it with Ersatz-11. But since my experience is EXTREMELY limited with the 1024 byte per sector media, I can't say for sure that it will always work. The key seems to be that under Ersatz-11, I am able to use the 1024 byte per sector media as if it is actually 512 bytes per sector, but exactly how that is managed I have NO idea. > I still have the drive; altho my main SCSI system is out-of-state right > now; prolly until the beginning of next week. I just did a few copies this week, so my Sony SMO S-501 seems up and running. > >Question : what drives would be able to read these media? Would they be > >easily procurable for cheap? > For stuff like this - Ebay would prolly be your best bet. Make sure, tho, > that you get the right drive for the right MO disk you have; you can prolly > get them pretty cheap nowadays tho. On eBay, the Sony SMO S-501 drives seems to be available only rarely. When they are available, the price is rarely over $ US 10, so the shipping will cost you more. http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&ebaytag1=ebayreg&query=optical+drive&query2=optical+drive&search_option=1&exclude=&category0=&minPrice=&maxPrice=&ebaytag1code=0&st=&SortProperty=MetaEndSort The REO-650 uses a Sony C-501 controller and Sony D-501 drive, but the SCSI cable connection at the back does not daisy chain correctly, so more than one drive is usually not possible. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745657616&category=167 The Sony D-501 drive by itself requires the Sony C-501 controller between the D-501 drive and the 50 pin connection to the host adapter. In addition, the shipping charges also include hidden handling charges. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2746152827&category=167 Are these going to be the ONLY time you will be using the magneto optical media? If so, buying a magneto optical drive and getting it to work might be more difficult than having someone recover the files for you. How many of the magneto optical media do you have? Which operating system was used to write the files? Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year. From vcf at siconic.com Thu Aug 7 15:18:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > > The proper usage is to speak of "myriad OT threads" (as in "many OT > Wrong, it's "a myriad *of* " , defined as "a great number > of things", "many things" and so on. As others have already pointed out, both uses are correct (which was news to me since I was taught only the noun form). > > Anyway, it's a dumb word and shouldn't be used because then it makes > > you > That probably depends on where you learn English (and other languages), > as it's just a word you can use. As it is in many other languages > (most of which never to be understood by the average American..) You mean there are other languages besides American? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From dbwood at kc.rr.com Thu Aug 7 15:39:01 2003 From: dbwood at kc.rr.com (Douglas Wood) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? References: Message-ID: <212d01c35d23$564e0ca0$6601a8c0@kc.rr.com> Yes. The other is Ebonics... :^) Douglas Wood Software Engineer dbwood@kc.rr.com ICQ#: 143841506 Home of the EPICIS Development System for the PIC http://epicis.piclist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 3:08 PM Subject: RE: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > > > > The proper usage is to speak of "myriad OT threads" (as in "many OT > > Wrong, it's "a myriad *of* " , defined as "a great number > > of things", "many things" and so on. > > As others have already pointed out, both uses are correct (which was news > to me since I was taught only the noun form). > > > > Anyway, it's a dumb word and shouldn't be used because then it makes > > > you > > That probably depends on where you learn English (and other languages), > > as it's just a word you can use. As it is in many other languages > > (most of which never to be understood by the average American..) > > You mean there are other languages besides American? > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 7 15:53:01 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: HP Integral questions In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030807064715.3c87c5a8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> from "Joe" at Aug 7, 3 06:47:15 am Message-ID: > At 04:57 PM 8/5/03 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi, > >> 1) What's the space on top, under the printer cover, for? I've found the > > > >I've only seen it used for mouse/cable storage. > > That's exactly what HP says that it's for. It's just space left over from As I mentioned last night, I eventually found this mentioned in the cartoon strips at the front of the user manual... > stuffing a MOL standard size ThinkJet prointer on top of the Integral. 'MOL' ? The Thinkjet mechanism is the standard chassis, but the cables (the prinhead tapewire, the stepper motor leads, etc) are longer to reach to the bottom of the Logic B PCB. Which means standard Thinkjet parts don't fit without modification... > >> 4) A really long shot, but that expansion unit card is taking up a slot > >> that could be better used for something else. So does anyone know where I > >> might find a serial card (either RS232 or current loop, preferably the > >> former) or a GPIO card? > > Nope. Oh well, I did say it was a long shot :-) > >> I also think I need a hard disk. I have whichever version of the 9133 is > >> around 20Mbytes here, which I believe should work. However, I have > >> questions about that too > > I think most of the HP-IB disk drives will work on the IPC even though The 9133H (which is what I have) works fine, and makes the machine a lot more useable. The manual lists a number of drives that are supported (looks to be those that use the SS/80 protocol?), I would guess others work too (for example the 9123 is not listed, the 9122 is. I suspect the 9123 will work if you can find a way to power it). -tony From aek at spies.com Thu Aug 7 16:15:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: Interesting Burroughs Photo Site Message-ID: <200308072115.h77LFWUQ018781@spies.com> can be found here: http://www.cbi.umn.edu/IMAGES/index -- out of curiosity, I did a search for "magnetic tape" in CBI's search engine. While there were several hits on documents describing various aspects of magnetic tape, there were no indices for any tapes themselves. Unfortunately, the companies whose archives are being turned over to CBI, The Computer History Museum, etc. saved the manuals and the photographs, but none of the software. :-< The only exception I've found so far was in the DEC archives at CHM, which has one storage box of PDP-15 diagnostics on paper tape. From nashafi at mail.com Thu Aug 7 16:31:01 2003 From: nashafi at mail.com (Arsalan Khan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: hard card 40 II not working Message-ID: <20030807212808.72388.qmail@mail.com> I currently have a hardcard in an old system which is not showing any display. so i took out the hard card and plugged in a 486 system but now the system wants to use it as a start up disk any idea how can i prevent system to do that so i be able to retrieve data from hard card. because if i let hard card be start up disk then i get a bios address error. Any help will be appreciated. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers From vance at neurotica.com Thu Aug 7 16:43:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: Mainframe emulators In-Reply-To: <200308052153.48331.jcwren@jcwren.com> Message-ID: I have. Peace... Sridhar On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, J.C. Wren wrote: > Anyone had experience with Hercules (http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules/), a > System/370, ESA/390, and z/Architecture emulator? > > --John From vance at neurotica.com Thu Aug 7 16:46:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: Mainframe emulators In-Reply-To: <200308060321.h763Lp0G028378@shell1.aracnet.com> Message-ID: Unless you have licenses for a newer version of an IBM OS. Peace... Sridhar On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > Anyone had experience with Hercules (http://www.conmicro.cx/hercules/), a > > System/370, ESA/390, and z/Architecture emulator? > > > > --John > > Define experince. :^) I've had it working before, but don't know enough > about the OS to be able to do anything. Basically the only thing you can > get to run on it is an ancient version of MVS. > > Zane From vance at neurotica.com Thu Aug 7 16:49:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: Mainframe emulators In-Reply-To: <200308060424.h764Oais029252@shell1.aracnet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > > Define experince. :^) I've had it working before, but don't know > > > enough about the OS to be able to do anything. Basically the only > > > thing you can get to run on it is an ancient version of MVS. > > > > If you by "the only thing you can get to run on it" means the only > > legally available software, then, yes, along with an old version of > > VM/370. If you mean it won't run anything but old versions of > > software, then, no, Hercules will also run OS/390 and other modern > > software. > > Well, since OS/390 or other such modern software is basically impossible > to obtain... But, yes, I'm aware you can run current software on it. Not impossible, just expensive. Peace... Sridhar From vance at neurotica.com Thu Aug 7 17:02:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: Old IBM machines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow! Cool! Wish I had the money to ship them. Peace... Sridhar On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Sergio Pedraja Cabo wrote: > Perhaps somebody can have some interest in these items: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&category=1247&item=2746220303 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&category=1247&item=2746223305 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&category=1247&item=2746236697 > > Of course, if I should have sufficient money I should have no doubt ! > > Greetings > > Sergio From vance at neurotica.com Thu Aug 7 17:15:01 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You owe me a new laptop. 8-) Peace... Sridhar On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Patrick Rigney wrote: > > Mine is Architected. It always makes me think of someone bludgeoning > > people by swinging an architect around by his/her ankles... > > ROFL! So, you've invented a new weapon... the architrebuchet? ;-) From vance at neurotica.com Thu Aug 7 18:00:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: <3F316989.5050903@naffnet.org.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Dave Woodman wrote: > >Mine is "burglarized" (or "-ised"). The noun is "burglar", the verb is > >"burgle", and the past tense is "burgled". "To burglarize" would be to > >turn someone into a burglar. > > 'Nearly unique' (and all such such misuses) cause me to want to correct > someone. It makes me want to "correct" them with extreme prejudice. It's like "almost pregnant". Peace... Sridhar From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Fri Aug 8 02:03:00 2003 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Peter Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: "Fred N. van Kempen" "RE: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area?" (Aug 7, 19:11) References: Message-ID: <10308080742.ZM7970@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Aug 7, 19:11, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > > The proper usage is to speak of "myriad OT threads" (as in "many OT > Wrong, it's "a myriad *of* " , defined as "a great number > of things", "many things" and so on. Not wrong at all. The Oxford English Dictionary defines it as "myriad, a & n, ten thousand (of); an indefinitely large number". The original usage was "myriad things"; "myriad of ..." is recent usage. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From hansp at citem.org Fri Aug 8 02:23:00 2003 From: hansp at citem.org (hansp) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: Interesting Burroughs Photo Site In-Reply-To: <200308072115.h77LFWUQ018781@spies.com> References: <200308072115.h77LFWUQ018781@spies.com> Message-ID: <3F334F4C.6050906@citem.org> Al Kossow wrote: > Unfortunately, the companies whose archives are being > turned over to CBI, The Computer History Museum, etc. > saved the manuals and the photographs, but none of the > software. :-< A sad fact of life. Here in France the FEB tries to preserve all that is connected with Bull and its associated companies. They keep machines, manuals and other documentation. when I asked about software I got a blank stare :-( -- hbp From rogersda at cox.net Fri Aug 8 09:08:00 2003 From: rogersda at cox.net (rogersda@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: Wanted: WPS-PC v3.1 or higher Message-ID: <20030808140449.KOXE20780.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Hi All, I've been searching for some evidence of what happened to the company that produced WPS-80 and WPS-PC, and come up dry. I need at least the license and binaries, but the hard-copy documentation would be nice, too. ADVthanksANCE, Dale From ran at netgate.net Fri Aug 8 09:24:00 2003 From: ran at netgate.net (Ran Talbott) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: LSI-11 and other goodies available cheap/free in Silicon Valley Message-ID: <03080519315505.01546@drako> My apologies for the tackiness of posting a "for sale" ad to a list where I'm not a regular, but this seems to be the best hope of finding a good home for this stuff. I'm about to become another of those "Silicon Valley refugees", so I need to get rid of a bunch of "formerly useful" and "maybe someday" items so I can spruce up the house and put it up for sale. Many of them will be of interest to classic computer fans. These are the ones that I think are "on-topic" here: 1. A lot of LSI-11 parts. One DEC chassis (BA-11N, I *think*) with a minimal front panel and about 8 hex slots. Enough boards to build 2 or 3 working systems. CPUs: an 11/03, an 11/23, an 11/73, and a fourth one whose model I forget (I think it's a different flavor of 11/73, but I'm not sure). Multiple dual-wide RAM boards (and a 128KW quad-wide one in the garage, somewhere, I hope). Various DEC and non-DEC serial cards. An MTI MLV-11 MFM controller, with two Syquest drives and about 10 10-megabyte cartridges. A prototype of a UDA50 clone with a couple of ESDI drives (I think they're 760Meg, but don't hold me to that. They were "pretty big" 10 years ago, when I was working on it ;-). I'm pretty sure there's a QDA-50 to run it, too Assorted cables and other parts. All of the boards should be good: they came out of systems that were working back in my DEC-peripheral-consultant days, and were properly stored in anti-static bags. The Syquest drives were never especially wonderful as a family, but these seemed to work fine while I used them, and I think the odds are better than 75% that at least one of them will work. And the odds are better than 90% on the UDA clone. My preference is to have someone come by and pick up the whole lot for $100 (trade offers will be considered: there are a few small items, like hard drives to revive a couple of old PCs, that I need). If that doesn't happen, I'll recycle the drives, and sell the boards by mail. The other items are "free to good home", but I'd appreciate it if you offered something in exchange (like an IDE hard drive or CD-ROM for the PCs I'm fixing). 2. A Mac II, with MMU (so you can run Linux on it ;-), 8-bit color card, and one of the drives with a bad case of the infamous stiction problem. I have a couple of possibly-good replacement drives, but never got around to trying them. 3. An "OS/2 starter kit", including Warp 3, Warp 3 Connect, some aftermarket books with CDs, a few Hobbes archives on CD, etc. If nobody local claims this, I'll mail it to someone willing to pay the postage. 4. DC-600 tapes: an assortment of a couple or three dozen. Nearly all used (though generally not heavily: most were distribution tapes that I used once or twice for backups), but a few still shrink-wrapped. If nobody claims the lot, I'll sell the new ones by mail. 5. A Tandon 1/2-height 8" floppy in a Corvus enclosure (model FLP-1). I'm about 90% certain this was working when it went into storage 10 years ago. 6. A Voterm II. Condition unknown: somewhere on its journey through the surplus food chain, it got whacked in a way that smashed its fuseholder, and I never got around to trying to fix it. From what little I was able to find on the web, I gather that this is something of a rarity, so I'll entertain requests to ship it if nobody claims it locally. I'll check the list archives for replies, but it's probably better to contact me directly at netgate.net (userid "ran") to save bandwidth. I have a pretty fascist set of procmail filters in place, but putting the word "zaurus" at the beginning of your response will get you past them. Thanks, Ran From pamelabarnard at ameritech.net Fri Aug 8 09:24:19 2003 From: pamelabarnard at ameritech.net (Pamela Barnard) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:13 2005 Subject: TI silent 700 Message-ID: <002401c35bd0$25abb100$1602a8c0@pambarnard> Hi, I also just found my portable TI Silent 700 data terminal. Also in very good condition. I used it to access various systems after hours on the job. I curious, what kind of information did you learn? Would you share any with me? Thanking you in advance! Sincerely, Pamela Barnard From TDMINTERNATIONAL at aol.com Fri Aug 8 09:24:23 2003 From: TDMINTERNATIONAL at aol.com (TDMINTERNATIONAL@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: uVAX Sigma Cage... Message-ID: <6d.16ae78b3.2c623f51@aol.com> I recently purchased one of these old sigma cages with DEC and other hardware inside. Anyone out there have information on how to "strap" the I/O cards so that the 9 pin serial port for the console is active? According to the DIP switches it is set to 9600 Baud. I know there is more to it than that. Thanks Ken From RToyota756 at aol.com Fri Aug 8 09:24:26 2003 From: RToyota756 at aol.com (RToyota756@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Keyboard Message-ID: <153.2283e8b9.2c62de17@aol.com> Hi David; I just found this old link; to your ad for a Northgate Ultra keyboard. Is it still for sale? Thanks, Roddy From larry at laurelnet.com Fri Aug 8 09:24:30 2003 From: larry at laurelnet.com (Larry Laurel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? Message-ID: <83a404d446bce11a037534a9cdd1350216f14337@bodekandrhodes.com> The word "prolly" in written communication is like fingernails on the blackboard of my mind. I prolly shouldn't get so upset about it. Larry "Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue it the most vital asset of a competent programmer." - Edsger W. Dijkstra -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of ghldbrd@ccp.com Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:59 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? The lastest ones are "have gotten" and "enthused", which have become commonplace in our English. May Edwin Neumann have mercy on our fractured words. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO > My pet peeve is the use of "I've got..", "You've got...", "They've got..", > etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Sissel [mailto:James.Sissel@labone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 9:19 AM > To: kclug@kclug.org > Subject: RE: Work In KC Area? > > > My pet peeve is people who don't know the difference between your and > you're. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Monty J. Harder [mailto:lists@kc.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:42 PM > To: kclug@kclug.org > Subject: Re: Work In KC Area? > > > "Steven Elling" wrote: > >> I wish I would of known that before I went to DeVRY. I would of just >> went >> to Goodland VoTech and saved a bunch of money in tuition and living >> expenses. Plus, I would of been better off. > > I suggest that a bit broader education, which includes some English to > go > along with the technical classes, would _have_ served you better yet. > You used the word 'of' four times above, and three of (heh) them should be > 'have': > > 'would have known' > 'would have just gone' (not 'went') > 'would have been' > > > > There. I'm the freaking Grammar Nazi. From heck at NEU.EDU Fri Aug 8 09:24:35 2003 From: heck at NEU.EDU (Joe Heck) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Data Systems Design DSD-880 8" floppy and Hard Drive Message-ID: <3F315310.97B6C558@NEU.EDU> Hi there, Read with great curiosity the thread about the above. I own 3 DSD880D30s and 1 DSD880S8. All are Q-bus. I have the original manuals, and probably the floppies that came with them. Also have the RT-11 v4 and v5 modified drivers. We used them at one of my old jobs for quite some time. If you have any questions about them, feel free to email me. On another note, the 880S8 seems to be dead, but I don't know if it is the drive or the electronics. The Q-bus controller is fine, as is the cable, as they run the D30 just fine. So I am looking for either a good drive or a good S8 box to test with. Anything like that in the group of units you were talking about? Thanks Joe Heck trash4@splab.cas.neu.edu From jbraver at rogers.com Fri Aug 8 09:24:39 2003 From: jbraver at rogers.com (jbraver@rogers.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: MANUAL Message-ID: <3F3169B4.10501@rogers.com> Saw your post about DEC manuals you've collected. I just inherited two DEC LN-03 printers. Would appreciate copy of anything you've got for this unit. Thanks. From OwnedByDogs at grandecom.net Fri Aug 8 09:24:44 2003 From: OwnedByDogs at grandecom.net (Kevin Monceaux) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Mainframe emulators In-Reply-To: <200308060424.h764Oais029252@shell1.aracnet.com> References: <200308060424.h764Oais029252@shell1.aracnet.com> Message-ID: Zane, Try http://www.cbttape.org/vm6.htm . On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > Hold on, are you saying it's possible to get an old version of VM/370?!?! > Where????? > > Zane From jopower at poetworld.net Fri Aug 8 09:24:49 2003 From: jopower at poetworld.net (Joe Hutchinson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Northgate Message-ID: <007201c35cc2$3c995b40$a25d0443@a> Hi David, Still got that Northgate? I'm interested. -Jopower@poetworld.net From elec37 at york.ac.uk Fri Aug 8 09:24:54 2003 From: elec37 at york.ac.uk (Computer Recycling) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Retro printer ribbons still up for grabs Message-ID: <3F326B39.1000502@york.ac.uk> Hi all, Re-posted with picture in case anyone is interested: I have a couple of new boxed ribbons as shown at http://www.comprec.org.uk/ribbons.jpg The box indicates that they're suitable for the following printer list... Binder 1550, 8510, 8510A C.Itoh 1550, 8510, 8510A, Prowriter 7500 DEC CLA 45-14602, LA50 HP 85 Leading Edge Prowriter 2-1550 8150AP NCR 6411 NEC PC 8023A/B/C Toshiba P1150, PA7251, PA7252 These are FREE (via an SAE to the UK, or a small PayPal donation). If you have any of the above equipment and are interested, please email me directly at elec37@york.ac.uk. Cheers now, Ben ~~~ Computer Recycling Project University of York, UK www.comprec.org.uk From jgershon at steelindustriesinc.com Fri Aug 8 09:24:58 2003 From: jgershon at steelindustriesinc.com (Jack Gershon) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: STR LINK IIa Message-ID: <000c01c35cfb$74b98d90$45029384@rogue> I saw a post of yours from last year. I have a manual for this item if you still require it. I am actually looking for a replacement for our STR LINK IIa, or at the very least, the belt for the tape drive on it. Jack From chrisc at addpower.com Fri Aug 8 09:25:04 2003 From: chrisc at addpower.com (Christopher Cureau) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: MicroVAX 3100 questions Message-ID: Hi, everyone! I've become the new owner of a nice MicroVAX 3100, and I'm trying to learn more about it. I had a few hardware-related questions, and I'm hoping that someone here can give me some insight. This is what I know about the system so far -- it's got three RZ26 drives in it, although one appears to have died, since SHOW DEV only reports two installed. If I were to replace the failed one, do I need to get my hands on another Digital drive, or will any SCSI drive work with VMS? Also, I've heard that some vaxes (or was it VMS, or both?) have limits on the size of the drive it will work with...what would work best in this system? My VAX came with VMS 5.5-2 installed, but I'd like to go ahead and get the hobbyist license and move to 7.2. Will my little VAX handle it? It's got 16 megs of memory and about 2 gigs of hard disk space (unless I can coax that other RZ26 into working...) Also, I don't have a CDROM, or a place to put it in the case. Again, if I get an external SCSI case, does it or the CDROM I put in it need to be specific to the VAX? Thanks in advance for your help! I'm really looking forward to putting this machine back into service... Cheers, Chris Cureau From nashafi at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 09:25:09 2003 From: nashafi at yahoo.com (Nauman Ahmad Shafi) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: hard card 40 Message-ID: <20030807212125.90008.qmail@web40104.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I am interested in buying the hard card 40 you have. Let me know how to go about it ? One more thing. I currently have a hardcard in an old system which is not showing any display. so i took out the hard card and plugged in a 486 system but now the system wants to use it as a start up disk any idea how can i prevent system to do that so i be able to retrieve data from hard card. because if i let hard card be start up disk then i get a bios address error. Any help will be appreciated. infact i dont need a hardcard any more but if your suggested solution works i 'll buy it :) Cheers Thanks, Nauman From rene.de.bie at xs4all.nl Fri Aug 8 09:25:14 2003 From: rene.de.bie at xs4all.nl (Rene de Bie) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: ATW800 Message-ID: <00f401c35d8b$f1d3c210$9600000a@piiixp> Hi, Is this ATW800 still for sale? I would like to contact this person and ask him a few questions about it. Rene From lucas_jedi at 263.net Fri Aug 8 09:25:19 2003 From: lucas_jedi at 263.net (jedi) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: hi,do you have bios? Message-ID: <000801c35daf$d845aa10$362550d3@jedi> hi, i find the following lines incidentally ------------------------------------ Hi all, I don't know if anyone is doing anything with the original PC, but when I had mine I converted it to an XT with a 15meg hard drive. I ended up typing in the PC monitor and modifying it so the bios had a drive entry for the hard drive I had purchased (actually I bought a 10meg and they gave me a 15meg instead). I have a zip file that has both the orginal source and my modified copy if anyone is interested. Just email my privately and I will pass the ZIP on. best regards, Steve Thatcher ------------------------------------ i am trying to write a system and cant find bios source code. could you email me your copy? sorry to bother you.^_^ jedi From pat at purdueriots.com Fri Aug 8 09:42:14 2003 From: pat at purdueriots.com (Patrick Finnegan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Data Systems Design DSD-880 8" floppy and Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <3F315310.97B6C558@NEU.EDU> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Joe Heck wrote: > Hi there, > Read with great curiosity the thread about the above. I own 3 > DSD880D30s and 1 DSD880S8. All are Q-bus. I have the original manuals, > and probably the floppies that came with them. Also have the RT-11 v4 > and v5 modified drivers. We used them at one of my old jobs for quite > some time. If you have any questions about them, feel free to email me. > > On another note, the 880S8 seems to be dead, but I don't know if it is > the drive or the electronics. The Q-bus controller is fine, as is the > cable, as they run the D30 just fine. So I am looking for either a good > drive or a good S8 box to test with. Anything like that in the group of > units you were talking about? I've recently acquired a DSD880S8, but I'm not sure what condition it's in (it's probably just fine, but I got it surplus from my 'suplier'). I'd be willing to offer it to you, but I don't know its condition. Is there a way to test it out using the "HyperDiagnostics" panel on the front of the enclosure? Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 8 09:53:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Retro printer ribbons still up for grabs In-Reply-To: <3F326B39.1000502@york.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030808104950.48ffdd7e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 04:07 PM 8/7/03 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Re-posted with picture in case anyone is interested: > >I have a couple of new boxed ribbons as shown at >http://www.comprec.org.uk/ribbons.jpg >The box indicates that they're suitable for the following printer list... > >Binder 1550, 8510, 8510A >C.Itoh 1550, 8510, 8510A, Prowriter 7500 >DEC CLA 45-14602, LA50 >HP 85 ???? The HP-85 doesn't use a ribbon. It has a thermal printer. Better take another look at that box. Joe >Leading Edge Prowriter 2-1550 8150AP >NCR 6411 >NEC PC 8023A/B/C >Toshiba P1150, PA7251, PA7252 > >These are FREE (via an SAE to the UK, or a small PayPal donation). If >you have any of the above equipment and are interested, please email me >directly at elec37@york.ac.uk. > >Cheers now, > >Ben >~~~ >Computer Recycling Project >University of York, UK >www.comprec.org.uk From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 8 09:53:09 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Data Systems Design DSD-880 8" floppy and Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <3F315310.97B6C558@NEU.EDU> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030808104710.3b77ca7e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Hi Joe, I was the one that asked about the DSD drives. I don't have any DEC systems so I wasn't going to try and use them but I thought someone else might want some parts (I wanted the drives). I didn't get any of the controllers, and boxs and electonics from the drives that I got have been scrapped but there is still one drive left there that I can pick up if you want electonics. I'm guessing that it's a DSD880D30 since the ones that I picked up all had 30 Mb drives in them. I have drivers and diagnostics disks but no manuals. I send the drivers and diagnostics along with all the other disks to Al Kossow to be archived. He may be intersted in archiving copies of your docs as well. Joe At 03:12 PM 8/6/03 -0400, you wrote: >Hi there, > Read with great curiosity the thread about the above. I own 3 >DSD880D30s >and 1 DSD880S8. All are Q-bus. I have the original manuals, and >probably >the floppies that came with them. Also have the RT-11 v4 and v5 >modified >drivers. We used them at one of my old jobs for quite some time. If >you >have any questions about them, feel free to email me. > >On another note, the 880S8 seems to be dead, but I don't know if it is >the drive or the electronics. The Q-bus controller is fine, as is the >cable, >as they run the D30 just fine. So I am looking for either a good drive >or >a good S8 box to test with. Anything like that in the group of units >you were >talking about? > >Thanks >Joe Heck trash4@splab.cas.neu.edu From jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de Fri Aug 8 09:54:01 2003 From: jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (Jochen Kunz) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: MicroVAX 3100 questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030808150105.GC27896@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 03:54:09PM -0500, Christopher Cureau wrote: > If I were to replace the failed one, do I need to get my hands > on another Digital drive, or will any SCSI drive work with VMS? Any SCSI drive should work. > Also, I've heard that > some vaxes (or was it VMS, or both?) have limits on the size of > the drive it will work with...what would work best in this system? There are some old VAXstations that can not boot from disks > 1 GB. (Can only boot from partitions that are entirely in the first GB.) > Also, I don't have a CDROM, or a place to > put it in the case. Again, if I get an external SCSI case, does it or the > CDROM I put in it need to be specific to the VAX? AFAIK you need a CROIM with 512 byte / block. Most generic SCSI CDROMs will work. I found that old Toshibas work good and Plextors don't. -- tsch??, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ From dtwright at uiuc.edu Fri Aug 8 10:24:00 2003 From: dtwright at uiuc.edu (Dan Wright) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: MicroVAX 3100 questions In-Reply-To: <20030808150105.GC27896@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> References: <20030808150105.GC27896@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Message-ID: <20030808152049.GB11189@uiuc.edu> Jochen Kunz said: > > AFAIK you need a CROIM with 512 byte / block. Most generic SCSI CDROMs > will work. I found that old Toshibas work good and Plextors don't. Really? I've always had good luck with the plextors...very reliable. Sometimes, though, there's a jumper you have to set to select the 512 b block size; it's not always automatic on those drives. - Dan Wright (dtwright@uiuc.edu) (http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright) -] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [- ``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.'' Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Fri Aug 8 11:57:00 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Interesting Burroughs Photo Site Message-ID: <200308081653.JAA13266@clulw009.amd.com> >From: hansp > >Al Kossow wrote: > >> Unfortunately, the companies whose archives are being >> turned over to CBI, The Computer History Museum, etc. >> saved the manuals and the photographs, but none of the >> software. :-< > >A sad fact of life. Here in France the FEB tries to preserve all that is >connected with Bull and its associated companies. They keep machines, >manuals and other documentation. when I asked about software I got a >blank stare :-( > > -- hbp > Hi This is why I think it is important to find ways to move data from and to old media. This is why I've been working on the methods for transfering data to and from the H89 hard sectored disk. I can take advantage of the higher density storage of the newer media and still restore the software to a media that can be used by the older machine. It is best to save as much older media as possible but one also needs to be realistic. A room full of tapes can easily be put onto a single disk drive of today. First level of importance is to save the information. Dwight From hansp at citem.org Fri Aug 8 12:19:00 2003 From: hansp at citem.org (hansp) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Interesting Burroughs Photo Site In-Reply-To: <200308081653.JAA13266@clulw009.amd.com> References: <200308081653.JAA13266@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <3F33DACA.4080807@citem.org> Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > Hi > It is best to save as much older media as possible but one > also needs to be realistic. A room full of tapes can easily > be put onto a single disk drive of today. First level of importance > is to save the information. I absolutely agree. We have a boatload of tapes reels, tape cassettes of different descritptions, floppy disks of all sizes. But the most important part, the data on those media is normally ignored. I hear the comment "Why do we need ANOTHER box of floopies, we already have 20" - makes my blood boil.... I really must get round to starting to read those tapes. After we retores our PDP-9, I strated looking amongst the 100 or so DECtapes we had and found a pair that appeared, from their labels, to contain a copy of DOS-15. Now DOS-15 was considered lost forever. Anyways to cut a long story short, we managed to recover the data and got DOS-15 opeartional again on the SIMH simulator. For more details read Bo Supniks paper here : http://simh.trailing-edge.com/docs/advmonsys.pdf -- hbp From teoz at neo.rr.com Fri Aug 8 12:38:00 2003 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (TeoZ) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Interesting Burroughs Photo Site References: <200308081653.JAA13266@clulw009.amd.com> <3F33DACA.4080807@citem.org> Message-ID: <003001c35dd3$31ecf000$347ca418@neo.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "hansp" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Interesting Burroughs Photo Site > Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > > > Hi > > > It is best to save as much older media as possible but one > > also needs to be realistic. A room full of tapes can easily > > be put onto a single disk drive of today. First level of importance > > is to save the information. > > I absolutely agree. We have a boatload of tapes reels, tape cassettes of > different descritptions, floppy disks of all sizes. But the most > important part, the data on those media is normally ignored. I hear the > comment "Why do we need ANOTHER box of floopies, we already have 20" - > makes my blood boil.... I really must get round to starting to read > those tapes. > > After we retores our PDP-9, I strated looking amongst the 100 or so > DECtapes we had and found a pair that appeared, from their labels, to > contain a copy of DOS-15. Now DOS-15 was considered lost forever. > Anyways to cut a long story short, we managed to recover the data and > got DOS-15 opeartional again on the SIMH simulator. For more details > read Bo Supniks paper here : > > http://simh.trailing-edge.com/docs/advmonsys.pdf > > -- hbp Its the same for any generation of hardware. Even if you can find the hardware the manuals were the first to get tossed/lost by the original owner followed shortly after by all the software once it wasnt used for anything anymore. Even if people keep juggling the software media to newer storage unless you have the original documentation nobody will know what to do with it in 30 years time. A computer without software is nothing but a paperweight (or for newer machines a very expensive and inneficient hair dryers) From zmerch at 30below.com Fri Aug 8 13:26:00 2003 From: zmerch at 30below.com (Roger Merchberger) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: ePay Score... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030808134401.00acfc48@mail.30below.com> Just picked up something I've been looking for for quite a while off of ePay - a Zenith Minisport ZL-2 (AFAIK, it's a ZL-1 w/2Meg RAM) laptop computer. Actually, the computer wasn't the important part -- the important part was the 5 boxes of floppy disks (3 yet unopened) - those suckers are harder than hen's teeth to find nowadays... 3 batteries, power supply, black naugahyde case (dunno how many nauga's had to die to make it... ;-) & the aforementioned disks... $50-few USD shipped. Good news: 1) lotsa disks now... I already have a bare 2" drive that I've always wanted to build into one of my CoCo3's - thereby making it unique. I got the drive on ePay about 4-5 years ago, but it only had one disk. Without more storage, that was kinda pointless, IMHO.. 2) It boots! Bad news: There's a password on it, so it doesn't boot very far... :-( Any utils or 'cmos clearing' keypresses or jumpers I can use to clear that out? Thanks, and laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch@30below.com What do you do when Life gives you lemons, and you don't *like* lemonade????????????? From healyzh at aracnet.com Fri Aug 8 13:38:00 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: MicroVAX 3100 questions In-Reply-To: <20030808152049.GB11189@uiuc.edu> References: <20030808150105.GC27896@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> <20030808152049.GB11189@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: >Jochen Kunz said: >> >> AFAIK you need a CROIM with 512 byte / block. Most generic SCSI CDROMs >> will work. I found that old Toshibas work good and Plextors don't. > >Really? I've always had good luck with the plextors...very reliable. >Sometimes, though, there's a jumper you have to set to select the 512 b block >size; it's not always automatic on those drives. I've had good luck with Toshiba's on my Alpha's. However, they wouldn't work on my PDP-11, I ended up using a 2x Caddy DEC drive (RRD42?) until I got some Plextor Caddy drives, and when I was working on the system both the 6x and 8x worked great (so I'm running with the 8x). If they'll work on that picky of a system they should work on just about any DEC HW. Oh, before I got a read DEC drive for my VS 3100/10 I used a Toshiba Drive. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From cb at mythtech.net Fri Aug 8 14:09:00 2003 From: cb at mythtech.net (chris) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Testing a video card resolutions Message-ID: Anyone know of software that will test a VGA cards available resolutions? I have a stack of old VGA cards here, and any that don't support at least 800x600 at 8 bits are no good to me. I was thinking of just plugging them in turn into a Windows machine and letting windows tell me what resolutions it can use, but that's slow and clunky. I'm looking for some kind of a DOS utility that I can run that will test the card at different settings. Something that I can put only a bootable floppy so I don't have to wait thru the long windows boot, change, reboot cycle. Any suggestions? -chris From bpope at wordstock.com Fri Aug 8 14:14:00 2003 From: bpope at wordstock.com (Bryan Pope) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Testing a video card resolutions In-Reply-To: from "chris" at Aug 8, 03 03:06:24 pm Message-ID: <200308081903.PAA25399@wordstock.com> And thusly chris spake: > > Anyone know of software that will test a VGA cards available resolutions? > > I have a stack of old VGA cards here, and any that don't support at least > 800x600 at 8 bits are no good to me. I was thinking of just plugging them > in turn into a Windows machine and letting windows tell me what > resolutions it can use, but that's slow and clunky. > > I'm looking for some kind of a DOS utility that I can run that will test > the card at different settings. Something that I can put only a bootable > floppy so I don't have to wait thru the long windows boot, change, reboot > cycle. > > Any suggestions? > Check out http://www.simtel.iif.hu/pub/pd/3758.html Cheers, Bryan Pope From cb at mythtech.net Fri Aug 8 14:38:01 2003 From: cb at mythtech.net (chris) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Testing a video card resolutions Message-ID: >Check out http://www.simtel.iif.hu/pub/pd/3758.html Thanks! -chris From philpem at dsl.pipex.com Fri Aug 8 14:45:01 2003 From: philpem at dsl.pipex.com (Philip Pemberton) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Primate Programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88d4e71e4c.philpem@dsl.pipex.com> In message Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > Evolve or become extinct. Actually, I think the term is "Evolve or die." Later. -- Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, 6GB, philpem@dsl.pipex.com | ViewFinder, Ethernet (Acorn AEH62), http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 8xCD, framegrabber, Teletext Error: Keyboard not found. Press F1 to continue or F2 to enter SETUP. From philpem at dsl.pipex.com Fri Aug 8 14:55:01 2003 From: philpem at dsl.pipex.com (Philip Pemberton) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: ECMA 46 tape standard In-Reply-To: <10308052307.ZM17611@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> References: <10308052307.ZM17611@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> Message-ID: <26efe81e4c.philpem@dsl.pipex.com> In message <10308052307.ZM17611@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> Peter Turnbull wrote: > Unlike some standards bodies, the ECMA believe they > should be accessible if people are to adhere to them. Unlike the SSFDC group (responsible for SmartMedia cards) and the IEC, then. I applaude the CompactFlash group for their forethought in releasing the specifications for CF to the world free-of-charge. SSFDC have released the 8MB and lower specs, but you have to pay $1000 per year (IIRC) for a copy of the 128MB standards. CompactFlash cards are, FWICT, IDE flashdrives in a very small case. The internal controller makes them easy to use, but they do tend to be a bit expensive. Don't get me started on the IEC - I wanted copies of the "standardised symbols for electrical equipment" (IEC417, aka IEC60417) - the "I" and "O" power symbols, etc. A Japanese educational institution had all the main symbols on their website for free download. I suspect IEC had something to do with the removal of that site... Later. -- Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, 6GB, philpem@dsl.pipex.com | ViewFinder, Ethernet (Acorn AEH62), http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 8xCD, framegrabber, Teletext Wanted: Heisenberg. Reason uncertain. From jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de Fri Aug 8 15:00:01 2003 From: jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (Jochen Kunz) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: MicroVAX 3100 questions In-Reply-To: <20030808152049.GB11189@uiuc.edu> References: <20030808150105.GC27896@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> <20030808152049.GB11189@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <20030808200717.GC28634@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:20:49AM -0500, Dan Wright wrote: > Really? I've always had good luck with the plextors...very reliable. Yes. Plextors are very good, but it seams that at least my VS3100m76 doesn't like my 12Plex. It works well everywhere else. > Sometimes, though, there's a jumper you have to set to select the 512 b block > size; it's not always automatic on those drives. I know. The old toshs have some jumpers (solder pads) too... -- tsch??, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ From nampcjr at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 16:38:01 2003 From: nampcjr at yahoo.com (Brian Heise) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Your old PC jr. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030808213452.14572.qmail@web42002.mail.yahoo.com> I thought I'd throw my 2 cents worth in.... I know, not too long ago, I saw a website where someone had their house automated with the help of a PCjr... That in itself was a feat to me. On my "PCjr Reborn!" web forum, http://www.micro-zone.com there are a lot of good discussions on PCjr expansion, going as far as we made ISA expansions for the jr, and I even got to surf the web on min (be it slow as it is...). So there are still a lot of us out here that play with these "dead" machines as well. Brian Heise "PCjr Reborn!" http://www.micro-zone.com Jason McBrien wrote: X10 stuff used to be really expensive in the US as well, until their patent expired and everyone and their brother started making compatable modules. I assume it's the same situation in the UK. They probably were awarded another patent for the same thing, but at 50Hz/240V :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Duell" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Your old PC jr. > > Hi, > > > > I ran across a reference to your webpage; > > searching for a power supply for my 386-25 . > > > > If you haven't given away your computer, > > I'd like to suggest that you hook it up, as an X-10 box, > > for home automation . > > I'm one of the PC-jr owners on this list. Alas I am in the UK, where X10 > stuff is not common (it does exist over here, modified for 240V, 50Hz > mains, but it's _very_ expensive). > > However, these older boxes are, indeed, useful for control applications. > I must get round to designing my own version of X10 (Steve Ciarcia has at > least one idea in his Circuit Cellar articles...) > > > There are clock boards, eprom cards, your old box, > > Err, the PC-jr doesn't have normal ISA slots, you know. Add-on modules > for it are not common. They're not hard to design, though (I have the > full TechRef, and the PC-jr bus is essentially the 8088 bus). > > > is still valuable, TO YOU . > > Isn't that a rather obvious statement on this list :-) > > -tony The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. From waltje at pdp11.nl Fri Aug 8 19:43:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Nice find: DEC HiNote Ultra II In-Reply-To: <20030808200717.GC28634@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Message-ID: Hi all, Today, a long-time customer surprised me with a biiig box full of their "old stuff". OKOK, that wasnt too smart of him.. after our coffee chat, I didnt do much besides going through the box' contents *evil grin* Amongst the fun stuff were a Siemens Hicom PBX (yay!) which I installed there in 1998, and, even more yay!, some of his old laptops: a DEC HiNote Ultra II, a HiNote 500 and a Fuji Lifebook. The UltraII was his own, and damn, did I spend some time on that thing in those days. Ugh. And now.. same all over again.. trying to get it back to life. All manuals, cards, docks etc were in the box, so no surprises there. The clock batt had died, but the box still had the "in case your clock dies" DEC update pkg, and yay, it worked: nvram/clock is back to normal. All other things seem to work fine (machine, screen, disk, Mobile 6X dock) so after some cleaning up on the hard drive, I now have a nice, very lightweight lappy for hobby fun. (yes, and it makes a GREAT term for serial/TCP/LAT with the WiFi card ;-) Shitty thing is... (a) the battery pack seems to have died, and (b) I lost my copy of the SystemCD for reinstalling the system onto it. Not a very big deal, I guess, but having it would be nice. Soo... anyone have of these gathering dust somewhere? Lappy is a P8X/LYS5133 (P5/133 model, 16MB) with the 7.2V/3300mAh stick-shape LiIon battery pack (FR-PCP8H-AB) Cheers, Fred (happily LATting into Tru64 ;-) From vance at neurotica.com Fri Aug 8 20:04:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > As long as we're bitching, the hairs on the back of my neck stand up > > (all too frequently, as it's currently in vogue) when people try to be > > erudite (but prove the reverse) by referring to: "A myriad of...". > > It's a stupid word, widely misused, probably not very understood, and is > better replaced with "bunch (of)" or "many" or even "plethora" which is > a fun word because its not common and gets funny looks from the > vocabularily challenged. Myriad, at least in the classical meaning, means "ten thousand". That's all. A myriad of objects is ten thousand objects. Peace... Sridhar From vance at neurotica.com Fri Aug 8 20:17:01 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > > The proper usage is to speak of "myriad OT threads" (as in "many OT > Wrong, it's "a myriad *of* " , defined as "a great number of > things", "many things" and so on. Actually, they're both right. http://www.bartleby.com/61/12/M0511200.html Peace... Sridhar From vp at mcs.drexel.edu Fri Aug 8 21:17:00 2003 From: vp at mcs.drexel.edu (Vassilis Prevelakis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: HP Integral questions Message-ID: <200308090213.h792DvJu018969@king.mcs.drexel.edu> ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: > 1) What's the space on top, under the printer cover, for? I've found the also floppies, the side of the compartment near the printer is deaper to accommodate 2 (maybe 3) floppies on their side. **vp From tosteve at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 22:16:00 2003 From: tosteve at yahoo.com (steven) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: ebay-Applicon 1977 antique computer--ROOM SIZED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030809031252.68282.qmail@web40910.mail.yahoo.com> Hmm, What's an Applicon? Only $150.00! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2944833186&category=1469 click here From allain at panix.com Fri Aug 8 22:43:01 2003 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: ebay-Applicon 1977 antique computer--ROOM SIZED References: <20030809031252.68282.qmail@web40910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c35e27$c07c1a40$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> > Hmm, What's an Applicon? Only $150.00! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2944833186 Wish they posted pictures. This is a DEC PDP 11/34 based Computer Aided Design (Drawing and Routing) system. Judging from the location this is the same system I bought in 2000 for $10 and left to the seller due to weight/distance. John A. From pcw at mesanet.com Fri Aug 8 22:57:00 2003 From: pcw at mesanet.com (Peter C. Wallace) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: ebay-Applicon 1977 antique computer--ROOM SIZED In-Reply-To: <001601c35e27$c07c1a40$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, John Allain wrote: > > Hmm, What's an Applicon? Only $150.00! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2944833186 > > Wish they posted pictures. > This is a DEC PDP 11/34 based Computer Aided Design (Drawing > and Routing) system. Judging from the location this is the same > system I bought in 2000 for $10 and left to the seller due to > weight/distance. > > John A. > Probably has Tektronix DVT terminals as well... Peter Wallace From wmsmith at earthlink.net Sat Aug 9 01:26:00 2003 From: wmsmith at earthlink.net (Wayne M. Smith) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003401c35e3e$a8f3a930$2f43cd18@WaynePC> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > > > > The proper usage is to speak of "myriad OT threads" (as > in "many OT > > Wrong, it's "a myriad *of* " , defined as "a > great number > > of things", "many things" and so on. > > As others have already pointed out, both uses are correct > (which was news to me since I was taught only the noun form). > Most dictionaries reflect current "common" usage. That which was once wrong becomes "correct" if enough people who are wrong persist in being so. Some dictionaries adopt common convention more quickly than others. If you want to win a pronunciation debate based on "classic" usage, grab American Heritage. If you are arguing for "popular" usage, go for Websters. From cisin at xenosoft.com Sat Aug 9 06:01:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: <003401c35e3e$a8f3a930$2f43cd18@WaynePC> References: <003401c35e3e$a8f3a930$2f43cd18@WaynePC> Message-ID: <20030809035515.Y7390@newshell.lmi.net> > Most dictionaries reflect current "common" usage. That which was once > wrong becomes "correct" if enough people who are wrong persist in being > so. Some dictionaries adopt common convention more quickly than others. Much like "DB9", and a "megabyte" being 1024000 There will still be some curmudgeons who resist the changes! -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@xenosoft.com From bshannon at tiac.net Sat Aug 9 09:24:00 2003 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Nice find: DEC HiNote Ultra II References: Message-ID: <3F350391.1090606@tiac.net> Speaking of the DEC HiNote... There are a very small number of DEC HiNote prototypes out there that have about 11 PCI lines missing on the motherboard between the system bus and the sound chip. 'Someone' at DEC had signed off on the testing, but it had never been performed. So this major bug went into the first production run and was only caught after the units started comming off the line. I know the person responsible for this major blunder, and one of the people who caught the problem at DEC. I've personally seen this bug demonstrated, and I can garuntee these systems existed at one point. I have no idea whats happened to them now. Fred N. van Kempen wrote: >Hi all, > >Today, a long-time customer surprised me with a biiig box full >of their "old stuff". OKOK, that wasnt too smart of him.. after >our coffee chat, I didnt do much besides going through the box' >contents *evil grin* > >Amongst the fun stuff were a Siemens Hicom PBX (yay!) which I >installed there in 1998, and, even more yay!, some of his old >laptops: a DEC HiNote Ultra II, a HiNote 500 and a Fuji Lifebook. > >The UltraII was his own, and damn, did I spend some time on that >thing in those days. Ugh. And now.. same all over again.. trying >to get it back to life. All manuals, cards, docks etc were in the >box, so no surprises there. The clock batt had died, but the box >still had the "in case your clock dies" DEC update pkg, and yay, >it worked: nvram/clock is back to normal. All other things seem >to work fine (machine, screen, disk, Mobile 6X dock) so after some >cleaning up on the hard drive, I now have a nice, very lightweight >lappy for hobby fun. > >(yes, and it makes a GREAT term for serial/TCP/LAT with the WiFi >card ;-) > >Shitty thing is... (a) the battery pack seems to have died, and >(b) I lost my copy of the SystemCD for reinstalling the system >onto it. Not a very big deal, I guess, but having it would be >nice. > >Soo... anyone have of these gathering dust somewhere? > >Lappy is a P8X/LYS5133 (P5/133 model, 16MB) with the 7.2V/3300mAh >stick-shape LiIon battery pack (FR-PCP8H-AB) > >Cheers, > Fred (happily LATting into Tru64 ;-) From bshannon at tiac.net Sat Aug 9 09:30:01 2003 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: ebay-Applicon 1977 antique computer--ROOM SIZED References: Message-ID: <3F3504E2.8040405@tiac.net> I used to work on these things! Applicon made CAD/CAM systems, very good ones too. There machines were based on PDP-11's and early VAX systems, loaded with lots of custom peripherals such as graphics displays, input devices and even disk controllers. My first civian job was working on Applicon disk controllers. Very fancy bit-slice based machines that plugged into a Unibus slot, desipte being twice the normal height for a unibus board. Later applicon machines used a custom bit-mapped graphics board (based on a 6845 for video timing). But the early machines (like in 1977) used a sort of math-box like vector display systyem. These vector box was built out of MMI 6701D's, the father of the 2901 series. Peter C. Wallace wrote: >On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, John Allain wrote: > >>>Hmm, What's an Applicon? Only $150.00! >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2944833186 >>> >>Wish they posted pictures. >>This is a DEC PDP 11/34 based Computer Aided Design (Drawing >>and Routing) system. Judging from the location this is the same >>system I bought in 2000 for $10 and left to the seller due to >>weight/distance. >> >>John A. >> > >Probably has Tektronix DVT terminals as well... > > >Peter Wallace From bshannon at tiac.net Sat Aug 9 09:37:00 2003 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: ebay-Applicon 1977 antique computer--ROOM SIZED References: Message-ID: <3F350686.50502@tiac.net> Oh yes, in 1977, Applicon's main CPU was.... The PDP 11/40. Somebody, jump on this system, right away! Peter C. Wallace wrote: >On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, John Allain wrote: > >>>Hmm, What's an Applicon? Only $150.00! >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2944833186 >>> >>Wish they posted pictures. >>This is a DEC PDP 11/34 based Computer Aided Design (Drawing >>and Routing) system. Judging from the location this is the same >>system I bought in 2000 for $10 and left to the seller due to >>weight/distance. >> >>John A. >> > >Probably has Tektronix DVT terminals as well... > > >Peter Wallace From jpl15 at panix.com Sat Aug 9 11:01:01 2003 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: IBM History site Message-ID: Whilst Browsing - ran across this fascinating - and well designed! - group of pages on IBM's site. Includes a whole section on "IBM Dress" rather tongue-in-cheekingly called 'The Way We Wore'... http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/ Enjoy. There are many sections that go into great detail about historical IBM gear and systems, many fine pix, etc. Cheers John From vance at neurotica.com Sat Aug 9 12:07:01 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: OT: RE: Grammar, was RE: Work In KC Area? In-Reply-To: <003401c35e3e$a8f3a930$2f43cd18@WaynePC> Message-ID: The link I posted was to American Heritage. Peace... Sridhar On Fri, 8 Aug 2003, Wayne M. Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > > > > > > The proper usage is to speak of "myriad OT threads" (as > > in "many OT > > > Wrong, it's "a myriad *of* " , defined as "a > > great number > > > of things", "many things" and so on. > > > > As others have already pointed out, both uses are correct > > (which was news to me since I was taught only the noun form). > > > Most dictionaries reflect current "common" usage. That which was once > wrong becomes "correct" if enough people who are wrong persist in being > so. Some dictionaries adopt common convention more quickly than others. > If you want to win a pronunciation debate based on "classic" usage, grab > American Heritage. If you are arguing for "popular" usage, go for > Websters. From aek at spies.com Sat Aug 9 12:54:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:14 2005 Subject: Tek 8002 system : some questions Message-ID: <200308091754.h79Hs8rw001971@spies.com> > Are manuals online or available ? I found an 8002A users booklet at the flea market this morning. I wonder if this was running FORTH, given the terminology they use (workspace, dictionary, etc..) From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 9 15:37:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: HP Integral questions In-Reply-To: <200308090213.h792DvJu018969@king.mcs.drexel.edu> from "Vassilis Prevelakis" at Aug 8, 3 10:13:57 pm Message-ID: > ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: > > 1) What's the space on top, under the printer cover, for? I've found the > also floppies, the side of the compartment near the printer is deaper > to accommodate 2 (maybe 3) floppies on their side. Yes, the manual shows that space being used to hold a couple of floppies and the US mains cable. However ,I think it's rather close to the paper feed stepper motor in the Thinkjet mechanism, which contains a large-ish permanent magnet. It's probably OK, but I'd rather not keep floppies there. And the UK mains lead, with it's bulky BS1363 13A plug doesn't fit... Incidentally HPCC members at the meeting today _loved_ the Integral :-)... -tony From cisin at xenosoft.com Sat Aug 9 18:15:01 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: IBM History site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030809160133.R10933@newshell.lmi.net> > Whilst Browsing - ran across this fascinating - and well designed! - professionally produced by an advertising agency > group of pages on IBM's site. Includes a whole section on "IBM Dress" > rather tongue-in-cheekingly called 'The Way We Wore'... > http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/ THAT part is at: http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/waywewore/waywewore_1.html Ah, yes. IBM, where they "value diversity" http://www-3.ibm.com/employment/us/diverse/ Go through "The Way We Wore", where they insist that the IBM clothing has NEVER been "uniform", and count (except for the last CONTRIVED and POSED shot in 1997) how many men you see who are NOT wearing a white shirt, necktie, and suit. IBM has ALWAYS been well known for their suppression of individuality, and their racial and cultural tokenism. Ah, yes. IBM. where they "value diversity" From aw288 at osfn.org Sat Aug 9 18:22:00 2003 From: aw288 at osfn.org (William Donzelli) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: IBM History site In-Reply-To: <20030809160133.R10933@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: > Go through "The Way We Wore", where they insist that the IBM clothing has > NEVER been "uniform", and count (except for the last CONTRIVED and POSED > shot in 1997) how many men you see who are NOT wearing a white shirt, > necktie, and suit. IBM has ALWAYS been well known for their suppression > of individuality, and their racial and cultural tokenism. > > > Ah, yes. IBM. where they "value diversity" Jeez, what happened? Did IBM run over your dog or something? William Donzelli aw288@osfn.org From cisin at xenosoft.com Sat Aug 9 18:38:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: IBM History site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030809163206.E10933@newshell.lmi.net> > > Go through "The Way We Wore", where they insist that the IBM clothing has > > NEVER been "uniform", and count (except for the last CONTRIVED and POSED > > shot in 1997) how many men you see who are NOT wearing a white shirt, > > necktie, and suit. IBM has ALWAYS been well known for their suppression > > of individuality, and their racial and cultural tokenism. > > Ah, yes. IBM. where they "value diversity" On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, William Donzelli wrote: > Jeez, what happened? Did IBM run over your dog or something? Have you been off planet for the last half century?? From vance at neurotica.com Sat Aug 9 18:43:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: IBM History site In-Reply-To: <20030809160133.R10933@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Fred Cisin wrote: > > Whilst Browsing - ran across this fascinating - and well designed! - > > professionally produced by an advertising agency group of pages on > > IBM's site. Includes a whole section on "IBM Dress" rather > > tongue-in-cheekingly called 'The Way We Wore'... > > http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/ > THAT part is at: > http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/waywewore/waywewore_1.html > > Ah, yes. IBM, where they "value diversity" > http://www-3.ibm.com/employment/us/diverse/ > > Go through "The Way We Wore", where they insist that the IBM clothing > has NEVER been "uniform", and count (except for the last CONTRIVED and > POSED shot in 1997) how many men you see who are NOT wearing a white > shirt, necktie, and suit. IBM has ALWAYS been well known for their > suppression of individuality, and their racial and cultural tokenism. The majority of the engineering staff was non-European through most of my Dad's career in his dept. Peace... Sridhar From vance at neurotica.com Sat Aug 9 18:43:04 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: IBM History site In-Reply-To: <20030809163206.E10933@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: You mean the part where IBM has been unfairly accused of stifling creativity? Peace... Sridhar On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Fred Cisin wrote: > > > Go through "The Way We Wore", where they insist that the IBM clothing has > > > NEVER been "uniform", and count (except for the last CONTRIVED and POSED > > > shot in 1997) how many men you see who are NOT wearing a white shirt, > > > necktie, and suit. IBM has ALWAYS been well known for their suppression > > > of individuality, and their racial and cultural tokenism. > > > Ah, yes. IBM. where they "value diversity" > > On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, William Donzelli wrote: > > Jeez, what happened? Did IBM run over your dog or something? > > > Have you been off planet for the last half century?? From netsurfer_x1 at fastmailbox.net Sat Aug 9 19:04:00 2003 From: netsurfer_x1 at fastmailbox.net (David Vohs) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: IBM History site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030810000115.0EA9E393A2@www.fastmail.fm> Well, a good site it is. But where's the famous (infamous?) IBM Corpporate Songbook? It's just not complete without that! On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:58:05 -0400 (EDT), "John Lawson" said: > Whilst Browsing - ran across this fascinating - and well designed! - > group of pages on IBM's site. Includes a whole section on "IBM Dress" > rather tongue-in-cheekingly called 'The Way We Wore'... > > > http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/ > > > Enjoy. There are many sections that go into great detail about > historical IBM gear and systems, many fine pix, etc. > > > > Cheers > > John -- David Vohs netsurfer_x1@fastmailbox.net -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different From tosteve at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 20:52:00 2003 From: tosteve at yahoo.com (steven) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: Will trade my AIM-65 for a nice Sinclair ZX-80, or maybe a ... Message-ID: <20030810014838.71287.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Looking for a nice trade for my Rockwell AIM-65 computer system. Would like a: - Sinclair ZX-80 - KIM-1 - HP-85 (maybe) Thanks! Steve. From gunther at aurora.regenstrief.org Sat Aug 9 21:57:01 2003 From: gunther at aurora.regenstrief.org (Gunther Schadow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: What to do with power distribution boxes? Message-ID: <3F35B3BF.20209@aurora.regenstrief.org> Hi folks, geez, I have to clean out my garage. I can't do anything with the computers anymore because I have no room to move. So, stuff must go. I had already given 3 StorageWorks cabinets to the recycler but had removed the power distribution boxes. Now I have a half dozen of those boxes with the HUGE power cables sitting around. Is there any use for those or should I just toss them too? I also have rackmount kits for StorageWorx boxes, lots of them. So, if you have those boxes and want them rack-mounted, let me know, else these things will go to the recycler too. thanks for your ideas, -Gunther From harp at exis.net Sat Aug 9 23:40:01 2003 From: harp at exis.net (M Jones) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books Message-ID: <031001c35ef8$8fb044a0$90337841@UUharp> Dear All, I have been looking for a solution to the problem of removing grease pencil marks on books. I noticed that some time back, someone posted this question. I do not know if an answer was ever given. I have the same question. I have several books that have been priced with a black grease pencil (on the front cover as well as inside the opening pages). Does anyone know how this can be removed without causing damage to the book? Many thanks, M Jones From teoz at neo.rr.com Sun Aug 10 00:54:00 2003 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (TeoZ) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: Copy II PC option Board Message-ID: <003401c35f03$1a8e9b80$347ca418@neo.rr.com> Anybody know where to fin one of these hardware boards that allows a normal PC drive to be able to copy any disk from multiple platforms? I just seen one on ebay but it was bid up quite a bit. Would be very usefull copying all the protected early era games in my collection before the disk media goes bad (I think you can make images of the disks that can be duplictaed at a later date). From spedraja at ono.com Sun Aug 10 01:34:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: IBM 5110 References: <003401c35f03$1a8e9b80$347ca418@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <006101c35f08$b103cfe0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Hi everybody. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2746737443&category=4193 No comment. Cheers Sergio From ernestls at attbi.com Sun Aug 10 09:34:01 2003 From: ernestls at attbi.com (Ernest) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: Copy II PC option Board In-Reply-To: <003401c35f03$1a8e9b80$347ca418@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On > Behalf Of TeoZ > Anybody know where to fin one of these hardware boards that > allows a normal PC > drive to be able to copy any disk from multiple platforms? > I just seen one on ebay but it was bid up quite a bit. Would be > very usefull > copying all the protected early era games in my collection before the disk > media goes bad (I think you can make images of the disks that can be > duplictaed at a later date). I have one of these cards. I'll trade it for an Apple II clone, or something along those lines. http://12.228.5.66 E. From waltje at pdp11.nl Sun Aug 10 13:39:01 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: MicroVAX 3100 questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris, Late reply... was kinda busy. > I've become the new owner of a nice MicroVAX 3100, and I'm trying to learn > more about it. I had a few hardware-related questions, and I'm hoping that > someone here can give me some insight. Yay! The 3100, albeit a bit slowish, are nice boxes... they're a real VAX, they use SCSI for I/O (read: cheapo drives and stuff) and, as long as they're taken care of, virtually indestructible. I have about 30 of them :) > This is what I know about the system so far -- it's got three RZ26 drives > in it, although one appears to have died, since SHOW DEV only reports two > installed. If I were to replace the failed one, do I need to get my hands > on another Digital drive, or will any SCSI drive work with VMS? Also, I've > heard that some vaxes (or was it VMS, or both?) have limits on the size of > the drive it will work with...what would work best in this system? The 3100 will not be able to boot off drives larger than 4GB, because of how their ROMs address the sectors. Once booted, the OS takes over, and they have no real limits. So.. make sure the OS boot area "lives" below that size, and you're fine. Very old ROMs have a 1GB limit, but rather than going with those, just swap the ROMs :) Also, DEC drives are good, but any good SCSI drive will do. Many people, me included, use Seagate HAWK drives (2GB, 3.5", 1" low-power), which now come dirt-cheap. > My VAX came with VMS 5.5-2 installed, but I'd like to go ahead and get the > hobbyist license and move to 7.2. Will my little VAX handle it? It's got > 16 megs of memory and about 2 gigs of hard disk space (unless I can coax > that other RZ26 into working...) 16MB is pushing the limits for 7.x. I believe it *does* run, but it will be slow as hell, and probably slower than that :) Try to stick to 5.5 or 6.x, or find more memory. The machines has a 32MB limit, by the way. > Also, I don't have a CDROM, or a place to put it in the case. Again, if > I get an external SCSI case, does it or the CDROM I put in it need to be > specific to the VAX? External cases work find (it IS just regular SCSI...) but there's a catch. For reasons unknown to me, DEC decided to fit these machines with their own weird "external SCSI" connector. Meaning, you need a very special cable (BC36 I believe) converting from their connector to the regular Centronics-like connector. If you have or can get that, no problems. Otherwise, either mount the CDROM drive inside the chassis, or fix your own "external" cable using a soldering iron and some patience. The VAX is like most systems of its class: it requires a CDROM drive able to handle 512-byte sectors. That obviously includes the DEC drives, but also those from Sun, SGI, IBM and a truckload of modern drives (Toshiba, Plextor) and, for some reason, many CD-R and CD-RW drives. > Thanks in advance for your help! I'm really looking forward to putting > this machine back into service... Yeah! Cheers, Fred (just done with fixing up the old DEC laptop ;-) From waltje at pdp11.nl Sun Aug 10 13:45:01 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: Nice find: DEC HiNote Ultra II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wrote: > Hi all, > > Today, a long-time customer surprised me with a biiig box full > of their "old stuff". OKOK, that wasnt too smart of him.. after > our coffee chat, I didnt do much besides going through the box' > contents *evil grin* > > Shitty thing is... (a) the battery pack seems to have died, and > (b) I lost my copy of the SystemCD for reinstalling the system > onto it. Not a very big deal, I guess, but having it would be > nice. Ha! DEC noticed a problem with these battery packs "locking up" after extensive periods of no activity, so they came up with a small utility (revive.com) to "revive" the batt pack. It worked, too.. my battery came back to life, and, after a full charge, is as good as were it new.. ! Lappy is not a portable, ultra-light TCP/LAT/Serial/X11 terminal :) (muhaha, with 802.11b WLAN ;-) Cheers, Fred From cisin at xenosoft.com Sun Aug 10 13:53:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: IBM History site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030810113803.P16079@newshell.lmi.net> On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 vance@neurotica.com wrote: > You mean the part where IBM has been unfairly accused of stifling > creativity? NO! I did NOT say anything about that! (although some could argue that IBM's use of patents as a competitive tactic (brass roller, shape of punch card hole, etc.) might qualify) IBM has done enormous amounts of brilliant and creative work in engineering. -- "a MYRIAD of great inventions" :-) Instead, I was objecting solely to their false statements that they had NEVER had a dress code. Even their necktie rule was not relaxed for CE's until a few HORRIBLE incidents proved that it was a safety issue. If they had shown their "1997" picture with a stement saying, "We NO LONGER have a dress code", then it might be true. OB_OT: Is there anybody here from DRI 23 years ago, who can confirm or deny (FIRST PERSON) that when the IBM contingent showed up at the door of Digital Research, there was some fear (based on apparel) that it was a drug raid? -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@xenosoft.com > On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Fred Cisin wrote: > > > > > Go through "The Way We Wore", where they insist that the IBM clothing has > > > > NEVER been "uniform", and count (except for the last CONTRIVED and POSED > > > > shot in 1997) how many men you see who are NOT wearing a white shirt, > > > > necktie, and suit. IBM has ALWAYS been well known for their suppression > > > > of individuality, and their racial and cultural tokenism. > > > > Ah, yes. IBM. where they "value diversity" > > > > On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, William Donzelli wrote: > > > Jeez, what happened? Did IBM run over your dog or something? > > > > > > Have you been off planet for the last half century?? From djenner at earthlink.net Sun Aug 10 13:58:00 2003 From: djenner at earthlink.net (David C. Jenner) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: Free: Two Cipher 9-Track 1/2-inch Mag Tape Drives - Last Chance Message-ID: <3F369424.C683D9CD@earthlink.net> Last chance: I need to get these out of the way soon. They'll be recycled if I don't get a response within a couple days. I have two Cipher 9-Track 1/2-inch Magnetic Tape Drives that I would like to pass on to someone who might use them. One is fully operational, the other has a power supply problem. You could use these for parts, too. These drives are free if you pick them up in north Seattle, or I'll deliver locally or regionally for a negotiable small fee, depending on the distance. Cipher 9-track Tape Drive Model F880 640-90-1025U ------------------------------------------------- Pertec interface 1600 BPI only 25/100 inches per second tape speed Auto loading and threading Built-in diagnostics Handles 7", 8.5", and 10.5" tape reels 8.75" high, 19.0" wide, 24.5" deep 85 pounds Does not include power cord Does not include cables to connect to computer See http://www.jenner.net/Items/Cipher_F880/index.htm for pictures of this model of tape drive. The illustrated hard copy of the manual is not included with this drive. This drive has a power transistor problem. The manual for this drive is, or soon should be, available online, and contains all the information for someone adept at electronics to fix and maintain the drive. Alternatively, a hardcopy of this manual is available for $25. Cipher 9-track Tape Drive Model M891 340-96-1050U ------------------------------------------------- Pertec interface 1600/3200 BPI 25/100 inches per second tape speed Auto loading and threading Built-in diagnostics Handles 7", 8.5", and 10.5" tape reels 8.75" high, 19.0" wide, 24.5" deep 85 pounds Includes rack-mount slides Does not include power cord Does not include cables to connect to computer See the preceding link to the pictures for the F880 drive for illustration of the type of drive. The M891 differs little physically from the F880. This drive is fully operational and passes internal diagnostics. It also reads and writes tapes under computer control. The manual for the F880 is close to supporting this drive, and you can use the F880 directions for most maintenance tasks. Also, there is an eBay auction for the M891 manual at the moment. See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2550715005 Send me an email if you are interested. Dave -- David C. Jenner djenner@earthlink.net From djenner at earthlink.net Sun Aug 10 14:50:00 2003 From: djenner at earthlink.net (David C. Jenner) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: Compaticard IV Master Diskette Message-ID: <3F36A134.64D160CB@earthlink.net> I recently acquired a Compaticard IV without manual and drivers. I found a manual on the Web, but haven't been able to find the Compaticard IV "Master Diskette," which contains a driver (cc4drv.sys) and several utility programs to use with the card. Is there someone out there who has this diskette who is willing to make a copy of this diskette (either hardcopy or electronic)? Note that I'm not talking about the Uniform software package, but if it were available, I'd be interested in it, too! Thanks, Dave -- David C. Jenner djenner@earthlink.net From jrice54 at charter.net Sun Aug 10 15:02:01 2003 From: jrice54 at charter.net (James Rice) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: Compaticard IV Master Diskette In-Reply-To: <3F36A134.64D160CB@earthlink.net> References: <3F36A134.64D160CB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F36A58B.8030202@charter.net> I have exactly the same problem James David C. Jenner wrote: >I recently acquired a Compaticard IV without manual and drivers. >I found a manual on the Web, but haven't been able to find the >Compaticard IV "Master Diskette," which contains a driver >(cc4drv.sys) and several utility programs to use with the card. > >Is there someone out there who has this diskette who is willing >to make a copy of this diskette (either hardcopy or electronic)? > >Note that I'm not talking about the Uniform software package, but >if it were available, I'd be interested in it, too! > >Thanks, >Dave > > -- http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html From pat at purdueriots.com Sun Aug 10 17:57:01 2003 From: pat at purdueriots.com (Patrick Finnegan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: What to do with power distribution boxes? In-Reply-To: <3F35B3BF.20209@aurora.regenstrief.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Gunther Schadow wrote: > but had removed the power distribution boxes. Now I have a half > dozen of those boxes with the HUGE power cables sitting around. Is > there any use for those or should I just toss them too? What kind of connectors do they use for the output? I know that, for instance, the VAX-11/780 PDU has a bunch of 120V/15A "standard" outlets on the back... which makes it a great 18-outlet power strip, if you just replace the power inlet cable. If they don't have 'standard outlets' on them, they're a bit less useful. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ From lectromech at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 10 19:13:00 2003 From: lectromech at worldnet.att.net (Bruce Brandl) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: TIL308 readout Message-ID: <000801c35db9$9f6364d0$0100a8c0@LECTRO> I happened upn your message about Til 308 chips. Do you still have any available? If you do let me know. Bruce Brandl lectromech@worldnet.att.net From cvendel at att.net Sun Aug 10 19:17:14 2003 From: cvendel at att.net (cvendel@att.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: RLV12/RL02 issue solved... thanks Message-ID: <200308081501.h78F18Z41479@huey.classiccmp.org> Hi Everyone, I solved the issue with mounting the RL02 on my Vax4000-200 last night. I took the advice of one of the people who responded back about what the settings and vectors are, compared to what the system expects. Turned out: a. I had a bad RLV12 card b. My 2nd card was setup for 22bit addressing So I reset it back to factory 18bit settings, plugged it on, did a mount/automatic dla3: and viloa! Up is came, I set sef to it and did a directory listing and there were the files all sitting patiently waiting to be read once again. I have a backup across 3 rl02's as bak files, now I am going to work on doing a restore to a dia1: drive that I have in my system as a scratch disk... Thanks again to everyone who has helped out on this, now does anyone have a spare rk05 decpack and a qbus controller they want to sell or loan me??? Curt From charlesleecourtney at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 19:20:13 2003 From: charlesleecourtney at yahoo.com (Lee Courtney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: TI silent 700 In-Reply-To: <002401c35bd0$25abb100$1602a8c0@pambarnard> Message-ID: <20030808151530.20217.qmail@web20805.mail.yahoo.com> Pam, Where do you get paper these days for your Silient 700? Thanks, Lee C. --- Pamela Barnard wrote: > Hi, I also just found my portable TI Silent 700 data > terminal. Also in very > good condition. I used it to access various systems > after hours on the job. > I curious, what kind of information did you learn? > Would you share any with > me? > Thanking you in advance! > Sincerely, > Pamela Barnard From cvendel at att.net Sun Aug 10 19:23:20 2003 From: cvendel at att.net (cvendel@att.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: reading rsts 7.1 disks from OpenVMS Message-ID: <200308090532.h795WWZ47384@huey.classiccmp.org> I have several disk paks that are clearly marked RSTS 7.1 Image Data Backups. Openvms Exchange says that they are not DOS11 or RT11 or Files-11 format. So is there anyway way for OpenVMS to mount and read these disks, I've scoured the search engines and haven't come up with anything yet... Thanks, Curt From terif.young at us.army.mil Sun Aug 10 19:26:33 2003 From: terif.young at us.army.mil (Young, Terif C.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: 8008 emulator Message-ID: Steve, I built a working 8008 computer in ''73 from circuit boards from a bankrupt canadian company. I still have the computer and I have a number of books from Scelbi Computers on 8008 source for basic as well as debuggers, etc . I would really like an 8008 emulator that I could run the source on my modern PC. The roughest beta would be fine. I ran across a blurb about your emulator in cassictechpub/jan9-02. It had a link to your website but I was not able to get in due to lack of login. Would you be willing to send me the emulator? Not necessarily for free either. It does not have to be perfect and I will not require any support. Thanks. Terry Young youngt@isecfdeo-emh1.army.mil From xboxer at roadrunner.nf.net Sun Aug 10 19:30:02 2003 From: xboxer at roadrunner.nf.net (xboxer) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: Roland LAPC-1 Cards Message-ID: <000701c35e17$6b7eb2b0$ecc0fbcd@grail> Hi, I found this old message of yours, any chance your friend still has one of these LAPC-1 cards? Please let me know. Thanks. - - - - MPU-401/LAPC-1 Hans Franke cctech@classiccmp.org Thu Jan 9 12:52:45 2003 Previous message: MPU-401 Next message: H89, REMark, Sextant Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I just taked to my friend. The cards are LAPC-1s. He still has two new units, and he'd be willing to part for 40 Euro each (~42 USD), plus shipping. So if someone still wants to build a early 90s game PC, just drop me a note. Gruss H. From nbreeden2 at comcast.net Sun Aug 10 19:33:12 2003 From: nbreeden2 at comcast.net (Neil Breeden II) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: MMD-2 - Need copy of ROMs Message-ID: <066401c35e33$5b201c80$6400a8c0@nbreedenhome2> All, I have a MMD-2 which is missing the 4 ROMs. I'm looking for either the HEX files for the ROMs or if someone has an MMD-2 and could copy them that would work also. Thanks -Neil From gil_amor at hotmail.com Sun Aug 10 19:36:12 2003 From: gil_amor at hotmail.com (hotmail) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: pagemaker 3 Message-ID: Hi Ram Did you open these files created on pagemaker 3 Mac to PC? Any help would be greatly appreciated Thank you Gil From feldte at cox.net Sun Aug 10 19:39:13 2003 From: feldte at cox.net (Everett Feldt) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: STDBUS Manuals Message-ID: Did you ever get the manuals below? I have the following manuals: 7502 SPST Relay 7387 Floppy Disk 7304 Dual USART 7880 Z80 Processor 7507 General Purpose Interface 7803A Z80 Processor 7303 Keyboard/Display Let me know if you need them. I am looking for the following manuals: 7842 7508 Everett Feldt -----Original Message----- Hello, all: I bought a STDBUS instrumentation computer off of eBay last week for $9, and it has some interesting boards in it. Unfortunately, the boards are mostly older Pro-Log models and information is sparse. I've made contact with the "legacy" manufacturer who wants $50 per manual for two of the boards. I found information for two of them on VersaLogic's Web site. So, here's the list of boards. If any one has original Pro-Log manuals for these that they can copy and send me, please contact me off-list. Pro-Log# Description 7303 DSKY (Display/keyboard module) 7502 Relay output module (8 relays) 7605 Programmable I/O 7806-1 Z80 CPU card (I have copy of VersaLogic's manual) Other P-L boards from another system I have: Pro-Log# Description 7805-1 8085 CPU card 7604A 64-bit digital I/O (I have copy of VersaLogic's manual) Thanks again for any help. Rich From feldte at cox.net Sun Aug 10 19:42:24 2003 From: feldte at cox.net (Everett Feldt) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: Pro_Log STD BUS manuals needed Message-ID: Did you ever get the manuals below? I have the following manuals: 7502 SPST Relay 7387 Floppy Disk 7304 Dual USART 7880 Z80 Processor 7507 General Purpose Interface 7803A Z80 Processor 7303 Keyboard/Display Let me know if you need them. I am looking for the following manuals: 7842 7508 Everett Feldt feldte@cox.net -----Original Message----- Hello, all: I bought a STDBUS instrumentation computer off of eBay last week for $9, and it has some interesting boards in it. Unfortunately, the boards are mostly older Pro-Log models and information is sparse. I've made contact with the "legacy" manufacturer who wants $50 per manual for two of the boards. I found information for two of them on VersaLogic's Web site. So, here's the list of boards. If any one has original Pro-Log manuals for these that they can copy and send me, please contact me off-list. Pro-Log# Description 7303 DSKY (Display/keyboard module) 7502 Relay output module (8 relays) 7605 Programmable I/O 7806-1 Z80 CPU card (I have copy of VersaLogic's manual) Other P-L boards from another system I have: Pro-Log# Description 7805-1 8085 CPU card 7604A 64-bit digital I/O (I have copy of VersaLogic's manual) Thanks again for any help. Rich From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Sun Aug 10 19:49:31 2003 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: new member - 8008 and S100 interests Message-ID: <000001c35ee6$f50d3b80$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Hi, I've been cleaning out the attic and unboxing a bunch of stuff I stored away in the mid-'80s. I've got seveal 8008 systems - Mark8, RGS008, SCELBI-8H, Mod8, MCS-8 - that I'd like to get running. I also have a lot of related docs, including newsletters and manuals that I will be happy to share as time permits. I also want to get a few S100 "systems" together - Imsai/ProcTech, Cromemco, TDL, Morrow and Godbout. I'm looking for a TDL SMB board, Cromemco Tuart and Godbout CPU-Z for starters. Maybe an H8 as well. I've been putting some stuff - mostly MITS - up on eBay to pay for parts and tools, but I'd be interested in hearing about needs/wants/trades if you have any of the above. Would also be interested in an S100 6809 card if one was ever made. Jack Rubin Wilmette, Illinois USA From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Sun Aug 10 19:52:37 2003 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: Help restoring early issues of Mark-8 Newsletter Message-ID: <000001c35f6a$84c23cc0$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> At least the first 3 issues of the Mark-8 Newsletter were published by Hal Singer using a ditto machine. I have copies of these issues which range in quality from faded and smeared to _really_ faded and smeared. I would like to try to "restore" these items to readable form - anybody have any ideas? The worst pages are faded beyond simply photocopying and/or OCR - I'm wondering if there may be some way to chemically "lift" the images, UV light, etc. As near as I can tell, all the information in these issues was re-issued in the first three issues of the Micro-8 Newsletter (archived at Jim Kearney's site), so no actual info is at risk, but it would be nice to at least share .pdfs of the "real" issues. Any interest in .pdfs of the Micro-8 Newsletter? As Jim notes, the originals were none too easy to read, but I may try messing around with them if anyone cares. Jack Rubin Wilmette, Illinois USA From jhfinexgs2 at compsys.to Sun Aug 10 20:11:57 2003 From: jhfinexgs2 at compsys.to (Jerome H. Fine) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: What to do with power distribution boxes? References: Message-ID: <3F36E469.F356E8AA@compsys.to> >Patrick Finnegan wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Gunther Schadow wrote: > > but had removed the power distribution boxes. Now I have a half > > dozen of those boxes with the HUGE power cables sitting around. Is > > there any use for those or should I just toss them too? > What kind of connectors do they use for the output? I know that, for > instance, the VAX-11/780 PDU has a bunch of 120V/15A "standard" outlets on > the back... which makes it a great 18-outlet power strip, if you just > replace the power inlet cable. Jerome Fine replies: I have found a rather simple solution. IF the input is 120 Volts AC single phase (even if the cable can handle 24 or perhaps 30 amps), then just replace the power plug that is used for normal 120V/15A power outlets. As long as you don't replace the fuse on the circuit from the power distribution panel, it does not matter what the fuse is on the power distribution box. Many power plugs are able to handle the cable size that carries 30A. It is rather easy to just change the plug rather than the whole cable. Of course, the fuse on the power distribution panel will blow first if you overload the circuit, but that is just as likely to happen if the fuse on the power distribution box is only 15A. Meanwhile, you are able to have many 1A circuits for small boxes that need very little power. I could use a number of additional 120V/15A outlets from the power distribution box I am using since most pull less than 1A. I resorted to triple plugs. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year. From jwest at classiccmp.org Sun Aug 10 20:15:39 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: HP2000 pictures Message-ID: <000701c35fa3$c9e1c3f0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Hey folks... just happened to come across some pictures of HP2000 systems that I have never come across before. Shows some really nice configurations. http://www.entrix.co.uk/nostalgia.html Jay West From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Sun Aug 10 20:20:33 2003 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: RLV12/RL02 issue solved... thanks Message-ID: <030810211151.6695@splab.cas.neu.edu> Well, I never got to it yet, but I have some xylogics controllers for diablo/pertec 2.5Mb front loaders. It was the aftermarket equivalent to the RK05. Been meaning to try to get them running on RT-11 someday, as I have a couple of dozen packs to read. I have all the hardware, cables, drives, controllers, but just haven't tried to get them running. They have been sitting for over a dozen years, so I don't even know if the drives will start up. If nothing else shows up, let me know if you want to take a stab at it. Joe Heck From esharpe at uswest.net Sun Aug 10 21:05:01 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: HP2000 pictures References: <000701c35fa3$c9e1c3f0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Message-ID: <000c01c35fac$975157d0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> that is curious... but I see why the spread the weight of the three drives... we used 2883 disc drives on the main system, and a 7900 on the test system. we also had a rack with a spare processor and reader with a hot spare... but nice to have the reader on that processor too if we wanted to listen to music on an am radio next to the processor! If you go to the www.smecc.org near the bottom of the home page there is a b/w picture... you can click on it and see what I am describing. by the way can use a 2883 disc drive or two.... ed sharpe archivist for smecc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay West" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: HP2000 pictures > Hey folks... just happened to come across some pictures of HP2000 systems > that I have never come across before. Shows some really nice configurations. > > http://www.entrix.co.uk/nostalgia.html > > Jay West From esharpe at uswest.net Sun Aug 10 21:08:50 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: HP2000 pictures References: <000701c35fa3$c9e1c3f0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Message-ID: <000c01c35fac$975157d0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> that is curious... but I see why the spread the weight of the three drives... we used 2883 disc drives on the main system, and a 7900 on the test system. we also had a rack with a spare processor and reader with a hot spare... but nice to have the reader on that processor too if we wanted to listen to music on an am radio next to the processor! If you go to the www.smecc.org near the bottom of the home page there is a b/w picture... you can click on it and see what I am describing. by the way can use a 2883 disc drive or two.... ed sharpe archivist for smecc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay West" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: HP2000 pictures > Hey folks... just happened to come across some pictures of HP2000 systems > that I have never come across before. Shows some really nice configurations. > > http://www.entrix.co.uk/nostalgia.html > > Jay West From jwest at classiccmp.org Sun Aug 10 21:13:01 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: HP2000 pictures References: <000701c35fa3$c9e1c3f0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> <000c01c35fac$975157d0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> Message-ID: <003701c35fad$bb564540$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Ed wrote... > we used 2883 disc drives on the main system, and a 7900 on the test > system. I use 7900 and 7905/6 drives on mine. > by the way can use a 2883 disc drive or two.... I don't have any 2883 drives, but I do have at least one 2883 disc controller Jay From llyon at commodore.thebbs.org Sun Aug 10 21:43:01 2003 From: llyon at commodore.thebbs.org (Lance Lyon) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: Copy II PC option Board References: Message-ID: <032201c35fb1$d6a65160$0100a8c0@LANCE> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest" To: Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:30 AM Subject: RE: Copy II PC option Board > > Anybody know where to fin one of these hardware boards that > > allows a normal PC > > drive to be able to copy any disk from multiple platforms? > > I just seen one on ebay but it was bid up quite a bit. Would be > > very usefull > > copying all the protected early era games in my collection before the disk > > media goes bad (I think you can make images of the disks that can be > > duplictaed at a later date). Sounds like you might be after a Catweasel board - try this link : http://www.e-trade.to/en/catweasel/catweasel.html From nico at farumdata.dk Mon Aug 11 02:07:01 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: Compaticard IV Master Diskette References: <3F36A134.64D160CB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00c801c35fd6$6df33000$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> From: "David C. Jenner" To: "Classic Computer Moderated List" Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: Compaticard IV Master Diskette > > Note that I'm not talking about the Uniform software package, but > if it were available, I'd be interested in it, too! > On its way Nico From Edward.Tillman at valero.com Mon Aug 11 04:46:00 2003 From: Edward.Tillman at valero.com (Tillman, Edward) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:15 2005 Subject: power switches... Message-ID: Does anyone know wehere I can locate a power switch for an AT power supply that has the 4 bayonettes pointed directly aft, opposite the switch, rather than coming out the casing at 90 degrees to the switch? I have a tight spot to fit the switch, and the original DEC proprietary switch was a soldered-on intrigal part of the power supply... Help? Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman@valero.com [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type image/bmp which had a name of Valero5.bmp] From waltje at pdp11.nl Mon Aug 11 07:20:01 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: What to do with power distribution boxes? In-Reply-To: <3F36E469.F356E8AA@compsys.to> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Jerome H. Fine wrote: > I have found a rather simple solution. IF the input is 120 Volts AC > single phase (even if the cable can handle 24 or perhaps 30 amps), then > just replace the power plug that is used for normal 120V/15A power > outlets. As long as you don't replace the fuse on the circuit from the > power distribution panel, it does not matter what the fuse is on the > power distribution box. Many power plugs are able to handle the > cable size that carries 30A. It is rather easy to just change the plug > rather than the whole cable. > > Of course, the fuse on the power distribution panel will blow first > if you overload the circuit, but that is just as likely to happen if the > fuse on the power distribution box is only 15A. Meanwhile, you > are able to have many 1A circuits for small boxes that need very > little power. I could use a number of additional 120V/15A outlets > from the power distribution box I am using since most pull less than > 1A. I resorted to triple plugs. Likewise, I placed Compaq "rackmount" power dist panels against the walls (in the machine room and study, where the machines are) and have each "inlet" (240VAC, 20A) connected to a separate circuit- some through a UPS system, some direct. The good thing is, that I can now (by timer and/or remotely, e.g. when temp goes up because of airco failure) shut down these segments individually. Each of the outlets can do 240VAC at 10-16A. These boxes are usually available for cheap, as most companies forget about them when discarding an old(er) rack... they're careful to save the UPS (probably with dead batteries anyway ;-) but leave the rest of the power system in there :) Cheers, Fred From RCini at congressfinancial.com Mon Aug 11 09:31:01 2003 From: RCini at congressfinancial.com (Cini, Richard) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Altair base CPU speed Message-ID: <69DBC74E5784D6119BEA0090271EB8E5FA3BB6@MAIL10> Hello, all: This might sound like a "you should know this" kind of question, but what was the default CPU speed for the Altair 8800/8800a/8800b models? Is it 1MHz or 2MHz? Rich From dundas at caltech.edu Mon Aug 11 10:58:00 2003 From: dundas at caltech.edu (John A. Dundas III) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: reading rsts 7.1 disks from OpenVMS In-Reply-To: <200308090532.h795WWZ47384@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: Curt, At 10:30 PM -0700 8/8/03, cvendel@att.net wrote: >I have several disk paks that are clearly marked RSTS 7.1 Image Data Backups. Please save, don't destroy. What flavor pack? >Openvms Exchange says that they are not DOS11 or RT11 or Files-11 format. > >So is there anyway way for OpenVMS to mount and read these disks, I've >scoured the search engines and haven't come up with anything yet... I hope to be proven wrong, but... I'm not aware of any software to read RSTS file systems of that vintage for the VAX. Two ideas come to mind: 1) copy the packs, block for block (VMS can mount these "foreign", also read-only, and then copy them), and move the image copy to a machine running SIMH. Use the available RSTS 7.0 to restore the backups to an appropriately simulated disk. This is probably a good idea regardless of 2). 2) If you are handy with programming, write a program to traverse the file structure. It's not too hard. If you work from Mike Mayfield's V8 internals book , and pay attention the the changes between 7 and 8 (many!), you should be able to recover individual files (unless the files are SAV/RES anyway, in which case 1) is better). I have the V7 Mayfield book (but haven't scanned it for the 'net yet) and wrote a program on the Mac to read the V7 (RDS-0) structure. So it _can_ be done. Good luck, John From jim at jkearney.com Mon Aug 11 11:29:00 2003 From: jim at jkearney.com (Jim Kearney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Help restoring early issues of Mark-8 Newsletter References: <000001c35f6a$84c23cc0$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <04d601c36025$3acc2660$1301090a@xpace.net> > At least the first 3 issues of the Mark-8 Newsletter were published by > Hal Singer using a ditto machine. I have copies of these issues which > range in quality from faded and smeared to _really_ faded and smeared. I > would like to try to "restore" these items to readable form - anybody > have any ideas? The worst pages are faded beyond simply photocopying > and/or OCR - I'm wondering if there may be some way to chemically "lift" > the images, UV light, etc. Some of the pages that I scanned were _very_ hard to read by eye, but modern image editing programs have some great tools in them to deal with that. I scanned them at very high resolution and in full color, then used contrast enhancement, color filters (some the originals were on colored paper) and de-flecking tools on a number of pages with good results. You might want to download the trial editions of Adobe Photoshop Elements or Jasc Paint Shop Pro and try it out. From danjr at voyager.net Mon Aug 11 12:29:00 2003 From: danjr at voyager.net (danjr) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Altair base CPU speed Message-ID: <200308111726.h7BHQHQo089860@mail3.mx.voyager.net> It was 2-MHz. Here is a site about the 8800 http://www.machine-room.org/computers/289/ Dan > Hello, all: > > This might sound like a "you should know this" kind of question, but > what was the default CPU speed for the Altair 8800/8800a/8800b models? Is it > 1MHz or 2MHz? > > Rich > > > _____________________________________________________ > This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 11 13:00:01 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: AS/400 1991 9404 available in New Jersey Message-ID: See below for details. Contact original sender. Reply-to: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:06:33 -0400 From: W. E. Perry To: donate@vintage.org Subject: AS/400 1991 9404 I have a 1991 vintage AS/400 9404, located in New Jersey, with original QIC120 distribution of system software through 1993 OS/400 v3 and *ALL* manuals. In storage since 1995, but working then. Would you want this machine or could you point me to someone who might? Thank you. Walter Perry -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From kapteynr at cboe.com Mon Aug 11 13:27:00 2003 From: kapteynr at cboe.com (Kapteyn, Rob) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Altair base CPU speed Message-ID: 2MHz -----Original Message----- From: Cini, Richard [mailto:RCini@congressfinancial.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:28 AM To: CCTech (E-mail) Subject: Altair base CPU speed Hello, all: This might sound like a "you should know this" kind of question, but what was the default CPU speed for the Altair 8800/8800a/8800b models? Is it 1MHz or 2MHz? Rich From RCini at congressfinancial.com Mon Aug 11 13:37:00 2003 From: RCini at congressfinancial.com (Cini, Richard) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Altair base CPU speed Message-ID: <69DBC74E5784D6119BEA0090271EB8E5FA3BBA@MAIL10> Perfect. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Kapteyn, Rob [mailto:kapteynr@cboe.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:24 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Altair base CPU speed 2MHz -----Original Message----- From: Cini, Richard [mailto:RCini@congressfinancial.com] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:28 AM To: CCTech (E-mail) Subject: Altair base CPU speed Hello, all: This might sound like a "you should know this" kind of question, but what was the default CPU speed for the Altair 8800/8800a/8800b models? Is it 1MHz or 2MHz? Rich From healyzh at aracnet.com Mon Aug 11 16:20:01 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: reading rsts 7.1 disks from OpenVMS In-Reply-To: from "John A. Dundas III" at Aug 11, 2003 08:55:23 AM Message-ID: <200308112120.h7BLKE4q010750@shell1.aracnet.com> > >Openvms Exchange says that they are not DOS11 or RT11 or Files-11 format. > > > >So is there anyway way for OpenVMS to mount and read these disks, I've > >scoured the search engines and haven't come up with anything yet... > > I hope to be proven wrong, but... I'm not aware of any software to read > RSTS file systems of that vintage for the VAX. If there are they'd be DECUS utilities most likely. I'm not aware of any either. > Two ideas come to mind: > > 1) copy the packs, block for block (VMS can mount these "foreign", also > read-only, and then copy them), and move the image copy to a machine > running SIMH. Use the available RSTS 7.0 to restore the backups to an > appropriately simulated disk. This is probably a good idea regardless of > 2). Once you've got access to the disks under SIMH, you should be able to back the data up to virtual tapes, which you should be able to find tools to access (as long as you back the data up to the right tape format). > case 1) is better). I have the V7 Mayfield book (but haven't scanned it > for the 'net yet) and wrote a program on the Mac to read the V7 (RDS-0) > structure. So it _can_ be done. So, is this Mac program something that will build on a standard UNIX system? Zane From dundas at caltech.edu Mon Aug 11 17:03:00 2003 From: dundas at caltech.edu (John A. Dundas III) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: reading rsts 7.1 disks from OpenVMS In-Reply-To: <200308112120.h7BLKE4q010750@shell1.aracnet.com> References: from "John A. Dundas III" at Aug 11, 2003 08:55:23 AM Message-ID: Zane, At 2:20 PM -0700 8/11/03, Zane H. Healy wrote: >> case 1) is better). I have the V7 Mayfield book (but haven't scanned it >> for the 'net yet) and wrote a program on the Mac to read the V7 (RDS-0) >> structure. So it _can_ be done. > >So, is this Mac program something that will build on a standard UNIX system? High probability. It was originally built as an MPW tool; MPW is very Unix-like. I could probably clean it up a bit and verify that it actually works correctly under a few flavors of Unix. [You mean someone else would want to use this? :-) ] John From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 11 17:13:01 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books In-Reply-To: <031001c35ef8$8fb044a0$90337841@UUharp> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, M Jones wrote: > I have been looking for a solution to the problem of removing grease > pencil marks on books. I noticed that some time back, someone posted > this question. I do not know if an answer was ever given. I have the > same question. I have several books that have been priced with a black > grease pencil (on the front cover as well as inside the opening pages). > Does anyone know how this can be removed without causing damage to the > book? I hate these stupid thrift stores that do that. Retards. Anyway, I never figured out a good way, short of using lots of eraser heads. It usually leaves a big blotch, but sometimes I can effectively erase the grease pencil. I know of no other way currently. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From healyzh at aracnet.com Mon Aug 11 17:21:00 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: reading rsts 7.1 disks from OpenVMS In-Reply-To: from "John A. Dundas III" at Aug 11, 2003 02:59:56 PM Message-ID: <200308112221.h7BMLAEm012259@shell1.aracnet.com> > Zane, > > At 2:20 PM -0700 8/11/03, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >> case 1) is better). I have the V7 Mayfield book (but haven't scanned it > >> for the 'net yet) and wrote a program on the Mac to read the V7 (RDS-0) > >> structure. So it _can_ be done. > > > >So, is this Mac program something that will build on a standard UNIX system? > > High probability. It was originally built as an MPW tool; MPW is very > Unix-like. I could probably clean it up a bit and verify that it actually > works correctly under a few flavors of Unix. [You mean someone else would > want to use this? :-) ] > > John OK, the way you wrote the initial statement I figured it might be pre OS-X code. I personally (at this time at least) don't have any need for such a program, but I can see where others might. Zane From jwest at classiccmp.org Mon Aug 11 17:25:00 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Looking for PDP-11/44XA rack advice Message-ID: <004d01c36056$fbfad6c0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> I think I mentioned this on the list before, but I can't find the emails about it - I think the responses I was trying to dig up were sent directly to me. So, I'll try again. I have a PDP-11/44XA, that's the one that is in a "lowboy" rack with a slot in the front door to slide your dectapes into the dual dectape drive. The side panels of this rack measure 39.5" high by 30.0" deep. I would like very much to make a dual bay rack out of this - where the two bays are directly attached. I have recently obtained another rack that is exactly the same height & depth, but it has no side panels. So, I was thinking about taking one of the side panels off the existing 11/44XA rack, putting this new rack next to it, and putting the side panel on the outside of the new rack - voila - dual bay rack. However, here's the problem - I see no way to easily bolt the two non-sidepanel sides of the two racks together. How was this normally done? Was there some special piece that slid inbetween the two racks to tie them together? Without this will I run into problems with mounted peripherals in each side clearing eachother? Dare I ask that someone has the mating hardware spare to mate the two racks? Thanks a million! Jay West From jwstephens_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 17:28:00 2003 From: jwstephens_2000 at yahoo.com (jim stephens) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: silent 700 paper Message-ID: <20030811181548.28001.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> use fax machine paper for silent 700's From robert_little_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 17:30:48 2003 From: robert_little_2000 at yahoo.com (Robert Little) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: New To List with NEC Multispeed HD Questions Message-ID: <20030811004756.36108.qmail@web20607.mail.yahoo.com> Howdy All, I just joined the list and am the owner of a small (though my wife would dispute that) collection of computers. I collect both PC's and Macintoshes, and thoroughly enjoy all. One thing I seem to be getting a lot of lately are laptops. At last count, I have 9 of them, ranging from my beloved (and frequently used) Tandy Model 102 to my Toshiba Satellite 133. One of my latest acquisitions, though, I would like to get running urgently. My computers actually have to work, and do so all of the time! I acquired an NEC Multispeed HD. The main battery in it is gone (like to rebuild one, obviously), but the machine does run (incidently, the option for removing the LCD screen? That's great!). The problem is, I get a 1701 error on HD startup, and the ROM based programs can't be found. I think I may need to run a setup program, but it can't be accessed either. Does anyone out there know what might be the problem? Or, more to the point, does anyone have the files needed to get this gem running? Thanks, Robert PS -I also acquired, in the same batch, a Toshiba T1200XE with a dead backlight. Any idea where I might be able to find parts? RL From chrisc at addpower.com Mon Aug 11 17:33:33 2003 From: chrisc at addpower.com (Christopher Cureau) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: MicroVAX 3100 questions Message-ID: Thanks to all for your timely replies. :) Okay, if I've got to use 5.5 or 6.0 until I can find memory, that's what I'll have to do. :) Can anyone provide me with a media set that I can install with? I'm pretty sure my CDROM here will do 512-byte sectors... Thanks! Chris "Fred N. van Kempen" Sent by: cctech-admin@classiccmp.org 08/10/2003 01:34 PM Please respond to cctech To: cctalk@classiccmp.org, Christopher Cureau cc: Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3100 questions Chris, Late reply... was kinda busy. > I've become the new owner of a nice MicroVAX 3100, and I'm trying to learn > more about it. I had a few hardware-related questions, and I'm hoping that > someone here can give me some insight. Yay! The 3100, albeit a bit slowish, are nice boxes... they're a real VAX, they use SCSI for I/O (read: cheapo drives and stuff) and, as long as they're taken care of, virtually indestructible. I have about 30 of them :) > This is what I know about the system so far -- it's got three RZ26 drives > in it, although one appears to have died, since SHOW DEV only reports two > installed. If I were to replace the failed one, do I need to get my hands > on another Digital drive, or will any SCSI drive work with VMS? Also, I've > heard that some vaxes (or was it VMS, or both?) have limits on the size of > the drive it will work with...what would work best in this system? The 3100 will not be able to boot off drives larger than 4GB, because of how their ROMs address the sectors. Once booted, the OS takes over, and they have no real limits. So.. make sure the OS boot area "lives" below that size, and you're fine. Very old ROMs have a 1GB limit, but rather than going with those, just swap the ROMs :) Also, DEC drives are good, but any good SCSI drive will do. Many people, me included, use Seagate HAWK drives (2GB, 3.5", 1" low-power), which now come dirt-cheap. > My VAX came with VMS 5.5-2 installed, but I'd like to go ahead and get the > hobbyist license and move to 7.2. Will my little VAX handle it? It's got > 16 megs of memory and about 2 gigs of hard disk space (unless I can coax > that other RZ26 into working...) 16MB is pushing the limits for 7.x. I believe it *does* run, but it will be slow as hell, and probably slower than that :) Try to stick to 5.5 or 6.x, or find more memory. The machines has a 32MB limit, by the way. > Also, I don't have a CDROM, or a place to put it in the case. Again, if > I get an external SCSI case, does it or the CDROM I put in it need to be > specific to the VAX? External cases work find (it IS just regular SCSI...) but there's a catch. For reasons unknown to me, DEC decided to fit these machines with their own weird "external SCSI" connector. Meaning, you need a very special cable (BC36 I believe) converting from their connector to the regular Centronics-like connector. If you have or can get that, no problems. Otherwise, either mount the CDROM drive inside the chassis, or fix your own "external" cable using a soldering iron and some patience. The VAX is like most systems of its class: it requires a CDROM drive able to handle 512-byte sectors. That obviously includes the DEC drives, but also those from Sun, SGI, IBM and a truckload of modern drives (Toshiba, Plextor) and, for some reason, many CD-R and CD-RW drives. > Thanks in advance for your help! I'm really looking forward to putting > this machine back into service... Yeah! Cheers, Fred (just done with fixing up the old DEC laptop ;-) From dave at mitton.com Mon Aug 11 17:36:22 2003 From: dave at mitton.com (Dave Mitton) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Stuff for auction Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030811102254.0332a560@mail.comcast.net> I'm working my way through cleaning out my basement, and getting rid of my micros used and collected over time. Not all of which is worth auctioning. Latter I will be digging into my old Integrand S-100 system (former CBBS-Boston) and left-over parts. I also have a ton of DEC processor handbooks. I have an LA36 that I will give to anyone willing to come and take it! Currently on eBay: Exidy Sorcerer w/S-100 Exp. Box and 8" FD http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2747173744 Processor Tech SOL ROM Personality Cards (3) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2747173802 Kilobaud Magazines 1977 - 10 issues http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3543974769 Kilobaud Magazines 1978 - 11 issues http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3543974785 Kilobaud Magazines 1979 - 4 issues http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3543974797 Dave. From dave at mitton.com Mon Aug 11 17:39:08 2003 From: dave at mitton.com (Dave Mitton) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: SIG/M, PCBlue libraries? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030811103841.02b7c300@mail.comcast.net> I have a large box full of 8" and 5.25" diskettes of SIG/M (~80 disks) and PCBlue (~80+ disks) software. It's not the full set, but it's a large chunk. I've seen people say that this stuff has been archived online somewhere already, but I have trouble finding current working URLs. In any case, is there someone interested getting something useful from this box? (other than media) Dave. From zmerch at 30below.com Mon Aug 11 17:49:00 2003 From: zmerch at 30below.com (Roger Merchberger) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: New To List with NEC Multispeed HD Questions In-Reply-To: <20030811004756.36108.qmail@web20607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030811184049.01d3bb70@mail.30below.com> Rumor has it that Robert Little may have mentioned these words: >Howdy All, Howdy! >[snip]...ranging from my beloved (and frequently used) >Tandy Model 102... [MODE="shameless plug"] I run a mailing list just for the Model 'T' series computers, to subscribe, send an email to m100-subscribe@list.30below.com. There's over 200 subscribers there, already!!! ;-) [/MODE] Sorry I can't help with your other problems, tho... :-( Welcome aboard! Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch@30below.com What do you do when Life gives you lemons, and you don't *like* lemonade????????????? From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Aug 11 17:58:00 2003 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: SIG/M, PCBlue libraries? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030811103841.02b7c300@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: If you can get the data off the disks, I'd be happy to stuff it up on the retroarchive site. g. On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Dave Mitton wrote: > I have a large box full of 8" and 5.25" diskettes of SIG/M (~80 disks) and > PCBlue (~80+ disks) software. It's not the full set, but it's a large chunk. > > I've seen people say that this stuff has been archived online somewhere > already, but I have trouble finding current working URLs. > > In any case, is there someone interested getting something useful from this > box? > (other than media) > > Dave. From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 11 18:01:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: silent 700 paper In-Reply-To: <20030811181548.28001.qmail@web80411.mail.yahoo.com> from "jim stephens" at Aug 11, 3 11:15:48 am Message-ID: > use fax machine paper for silent 700's This also works fine in full-width HP thermal printers like the 9866 and the 2671. PErahps I should tell you a story. I'd been given a 2671G and needed some paper for it. I guessed fax paper would work, and went to a local stationery shop to buy some. They only had 210mm wide rolls (common for UK fax machines), not the 216mm ones that US machines use. Well, I bought one and tried it in the HP printer. It printed fine, but unless the roll was positioned just right, the paper caught on the head at the beginning or end of the line and snarled up. No real problem. I went into the garrage and found a suitable piece of brass rod. Chucked it in the lathe and drilled a hole down the middle to take the paper roll spindle. THen parted off 2 disks of the right thickness. Worked fine, the roll was kept in the right place and the printer worked well. I was happy. Well, until I went to another branch of the same shop. They had 216mm wide rolls too..... -tony From kth at srv.net Mon Aug 11 18:04:01 2003 From: kth at srv.net (Kevin Handy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F382A60.2080603@srv.net> Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, M Jones wrote: > > > >>I have been looking for a solution to the problem of removing grease >>pencil marks on books. I noticed that some time back, someone posted >>this question. I do not know if an answer was ever given. I have the >>same question. I have several books that have been priced with a black >>grease pencil (on the front cover as well as inside the opening pages). >>Does anyone know how this can be removed without causing damage to the >>book? >> >> > >I hate these stupid thrift stores that do that. Retards. > >Anyway, I never figured out a good way, short of using lots of eraser >heads. It usually leaves a big blotch, but sometimes I can effectively >erase the grease pencil. > >I know of no other way currently. > > > To remove regular pencil marks, you want as a minimum a soft eraser, like the Staedtler 52825 or the Pentel ZER2BP-K6. These are about 4 inches long and usually bought with a holder. They don't tear up the paper like those used on most pencils, and last a considerable bit longer. It depends on how hard it was written, and on the paper, but going over it lightly usually greatly reduces the darkness, or may entirely remove it. Using chemicals would probably cause as noticable a mark as the pencil marks make (especially if the pages are yellowed). From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Mon Aug 11 18:32:00 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books Message-ID: <200308112328.QAA16242@clulw009.amd.com> Hi I'm not sure if this will work for grease pencils but you might give this a try. Get a can of brake-clean from the auto parts store. Place the page on a paper towel such that the marked side is against the towel. Spray some brake-clean, starting in a circular motion from outside of the mark to the center. Remove from the towel before it dries. Repeat with clean towel as needed. I'd advise checking on some material that is similar first. As I recall, I used this method on something like a sharpie mark once. Use out side. Brake-clean will give you a real bad hangover. It is mostly solvents and dry cleaning fluid. Dwight >From: "Kevin Handy" > >Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > >>On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, M Jones wrote: >> >> >> >>>I have been looking for a solution to the problem of removing grease >>>pencil marks on books. I noticed that some time back, someone posted >>>this question. I do not know if an answer was ever given. I have the >>>same question. I have several books that have been priced with a black >>>grease pencil (on the front cover as well as inside the opening pages). >>>Does anyone know how this can be removed without causing damage to the >>>book? >>> >>> >> >>I hate these stupid thrift stores that do that. Retards. >> >>Anyway, I never figured out a good way, short of using lots of eraser >>heads. It usually leaves a big blotch, but sometimes I can effectively >>erase the grease pencil. >> >>I know of no other way currently. >> >> >> >To remove regular pencil marks, you want as a minimum a soft eraser, >like the Staedtler 52825 or the Pentel ZER2BP-K6. These are >about 4 inches long and usually bought with a holder. They don't >tear up the paper like those used on most pencils, and last a considerable >bit longer. > >It depends on how hard it was written, and on the paper, >but going over it lightly usually greatly reduces the darkness, >or may entirely remove it. > >Using chemicals would probably cause as noticable a mark >as the pencil marks make (especially if the pages are yellowed). From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Mon Aug 11 18:38:00 2003 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Peter Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books In-Reply-To: Vintage Computer Festival "Re: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books" (Aug 11, 15:03) References: Message-ID: <10308120021.ZM10571@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Aug 11, 15:03, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, M Jones wrote: > > > I have been looking for a solution to the problem of removing grease > > pencil marks on books. I noticed that some time back, someone posted > > this question. I do not know if an answer was ever given. > I hate these stupid thrift stores that do that. Retards. > > Anyway, I never figured out a good way, short of using lots of eraser > heads. It usually leaves a big blotch, but sometimes I can effectively > erase the grease pencil. Since it's essentially coloured wax, I wonder if the technique used to remove wax (candle wax, usually) from clothing might work? It's basically a case of ironing a sheet of brown (wrapping) paper over the wax. Paper-on-paper probably won't work as well as paper-on-cloth, so I'd try it on something unimportant first! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From allain at panix.com Mon Aug 11 20:29:01 2003 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: reading rsts 7.1 disks from OpenVMS References: Message-ID: <011701c36070$793dc200$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> >I have several disk paks that are clearly marked RSTS 7.1 Image Data Backups. Just a thought (experts?), but given the label they may be more Backup format than RSTS format (at least at the first level). What I don't know is if VMS restore understands RSTS backups. BTW if someone has RSTS for an 11/23 I could look myself at the problem for you. John A. From jpl15 at panix.com Mon Aug 11 20:34:01 2003 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Looking for PDP-11/44XA rack advice In-Reply-To: <004d01c36056$fbfad6c0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> References: <004d01c36056$fbfad6c0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Message-ID: Hi Jay. I have done this two ways - One is to just drill four 1/4" holes thru convenient adjacent hardware and bolt the cabs together. Another way is to find (or make) 'mending plates' that are spaced to fit the inside rack mounting holes (which on my cabinets were drilled and tapped 10-32) with holes drilled to match the rack hole pattern, and sized to *pass* a 10-32 screw. These mending plates are placed so as to join the inside rails of the racks together, front and back. I used four and it made a combination that I could have supported my car on... eight casters, etc. Unfortunately, I turned my back for a second, and all that stuff ended up in Munich - or I'd take pix. Cheers John From kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com Mon Aug 11 23:38:00 2003 From: kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com (Bruce Lane) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: DECSystem & VAXen Catalogs up for bid on E-pay... Message-ID: <200308112135300254.025B7507@192.168.42.129> For those still collecting DEC systems documentation, this may be of interest. I've just put up for bid a group of nine 'Systems and Options' catalogs, covering VAXen and DECSystems, on E-pay at this link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2747346505 Thanks for putting up with my occasional ads. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green, aka Steve Smith) From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 11 23:43:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books In-Reply-To: <200308112328.QAA16242@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > I'm not sure if this will work for grease pencils but > you might give this a try. Get a can of brake-clean from > the auto parts store. Place the page on a paper towel such > that the marked side is against the towel. Spray some > brake-clean, starting in a circular motion from outside of the > mark to the center. Remove from the towel before it dries. > Repeat with clean towel as needed. > I'd advise checking on some material that is similar first. > As I recall, I used this method on something like a sharpie > mark once. Use out side. Brake-clean will give you a real > bad hangover. It is mostly solvents and dry cleaning fluid. I assume this evaporates to some considerable degree and does not leave any marks or residue on the paper? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 11 23:45:49 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books In-Reply-To: <10308120021.ZM10571@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Peter Turnbull wrote: > Since it's essentially coloured wax, I wonder if the technique used to > remove wax (candle wax, usually) from clothing might work? It's > basically a case of ironing a sheet of brown (wrapping) paper over the > wax. Paper-on-paper probably won't work as well as paper-on-cloth, so > I'd try it on something unimportant first! Hmm, good suggestion. Might wax paper also work? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From netsurfer_x1 at fastmailbox.net Tue Aug 12 00:23:00 2003 From: netsurfer_x1 at fastmailbox.net (David Vohs) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: (Ping!) Paging Jim Willing. Message-ID: <20030812052017.41AAC37BA9@www.fastmail.fm> Anyone know where Jim is? I need to get in contact with him ASAP. -- David Vohs netsurfer_x1@fastmailbox.net -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Tue Aug 12 02:55:00 2003 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Peter Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books In-Reply-To: Vintage Computer Festival "Re: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books" (Aug 11, 21:29) References: Message-ID: <10308120851.ZM10813@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Aug 11, 21:29, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Peter Turnbull wrote: > > > Since it's essentially coloured wax, I wonder if the technique used to > > remove wax (candle wax, usually) from clothing might work? It's > > basically a case of ironing a sheet of brown (wrapping) paper over the > > wax. Paper-on-paper probably won't work as well as paper-on-cloth, so > > I'd try it on something unimportant first! > > Hmm, good suggestion. Might wax paper also work? I don't think so, as it's already got a lot of wax on/in it. The effect is to melt the wax with the iron and use the paper to wick it out. Writing paper might be a reasonable substitute, or the kind of tissue paper used for wrapping. If you want to try a solvent approach, eiher turpentine substitute or "white spirit" (oil paint thinner, somewhat like light, white kerosene) might work. Apply with a small artist's brush, and dab off with kitchen roll. Another possible method might be to use a scalpel with a pointed blade (10A or 11) to gently scape away the wax. This is the same as the method used to retouch photographic negatives and B/W prints, something I used to do in a former career -- and was pretty good at. It takes a lot of patience, though; you must only scrape a tiny amount at a time (this method works for Indian ink as well). It doesn't work very well for endorsing ink, as that gets right into the fabric of the paper. Yet another trick for cleaning up marks and grubbiness on books (pencil marks, fingerprints, dirt) is to use a soft putty rubber (from an art supplier) or Blu-Tak. Push a blob of Blu-Tak onto the mark, pull it off; repeat until bored. I've often used that technique, once to clean a set of very valuable exhibition photographs that had acquired dusty fingerprints. Please note, these are only suggestions -- I've not tried any of these on wax pencil! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 12 07:20:01 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: New To List with NEC Multispeed HD Questions In-Reply-To: <20030811004756.36108.qmail@web20607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030812080759.4167ca70@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Robert, I picked up a HD several years ago and IIRC I had exactly the same problems with it so it seems to be a common problem. I'm guessing that it may have a CMOS memory in it and that it's lost it's settings. I KNOW part of the main memory is S RAM and in non-volatile so there's definitely a backup battery in there. (I owned an origninal MultiSpeed when they were new.) I never dug into the HD to try and fix it and I don't remember what I did with the two of them. Joe At 05:47 PM 8/10/03 -0700, you wrote: >Howdy All, >I just joined the list and am the owner of a small >(though my wife would dispute that) collection of >computers. I collect both PC's and Macintoshes, and >thoroughly enjoy all. One thing I seem to be getting a >lot of lately are laptops. At last count, I have 9 of >them, ranging from my beloved (and frequently used) >Tandy Model 102 to my Toshiba Satellite 133. One of my >latest acquisitions, though, I would like to get >running urgently. My computers actually have to work, >and do so all of the time! >I acquired an NEC Multispeed HD. The main battery in >it is gone (like to rebuild one, obviously), but the >machine does run (incidently, the option for removing >the LCD screen? That's great!). The problem is, I get >a 1701 error on HD startup, and the ROM based programs >can't be found. I think I may need to run a setup >program, but it can't be accessed either. Does anyone >out there know what might be the problem? Or, more to >the point, does anyone have the files needed to get >this gem running? > >Thanks, >Robert > >PS -I also acquired, in the same batch, a Toshiba >T1200XE with a dead backlight. Any idea where I might >be able to find parts? > >RL From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 12 07:29:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: SIG/M, PCBlue libraries? In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030811103841.02b7c300@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030812082825.495f73b8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Tim's Amstrad site has a link to a SIG/M library but it doesn't seem to work. Joe At 04:00 PM 8/11/03 -0700, you wrote: >If you can get the data off the disks, I'd be happy to stuff it up on the >retroarchive site. > >g. > > >On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Dave Mitton wrote: > >> I have a large box full of 8" and 5.25" diskettes of SIG/M (~80 disks) and >> PCBlue (~80+ disks) software. It's not the full set, but it's a large chunk. >> >> I've seen people say that this stuff has been archived online somewhere >> already, but I have trouble finding current working URLs. >> >> In any case, is there someone interested getting something useful from this >> box? >> (other than media) >> >> Dave. From nico at farumdata.dk Tue Aug 12 08:25:01 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: SIG/M, PCBlue libraries? References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030811103841.02b7c300@mail.comcast.net> <3.0.6.16.20030812082825.495f73b8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <001a01c360d4$6ca82d00$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> > At 04:00 PM 8/11/03 -0700, you wrote: > >If you can get the data off the disks, I'd be happy to stuff it up on the > >retroarchive site. > > If you have problems reading the disks, I would be happy to give it a try. Nico From mross666 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 12 10:24:00 2003 From: mross666 at hotmail.com (Mike Ross) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Unusual DEC card reader... Message-ID: I've just aquired a DEC card reader; it will be some time before it shows up here, so I thought I'd ask if anyone recognises it and can provide a model number. Pic on this page: http://www.corestore.org/1155.htm Cheers Mike http://www.corestore.org _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Tue Aug 12 11:17:00 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books Message-ID: <200308121613.JAA16897@clulw009.amd.com> >From: "Vintage Computer Festival" > >On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > >> I'm not sure if this will work for grease pencils but >> you might give this a try. Get a can of brake-clean from >> the auto parts store. Place the page on a paper towel such >> that the marked side is against the towel. Spray some >> brake-clean, starting in a circular motion from outside of the >> mark to the center. Remove from the towel before it dries. >> Repeat with clean towel as needed. >> I'd advise checking on some material that is similar first. >> As I recall, I used this method on something like a sharpie >> mark once. Use out side. Brake-clean will give you a real >> bad hangover. It is mostly solvents and dry cleaning fluid. > >I assume this evaporates to some considerable degree and does not leave >any marks or residue on the paper? Hi Sellam It is intended to leave no residue but if there are dyes in the paper that it dissolves, it may leave rings. You need to experiment a little. It will also dissolve some plastics as well so always check first. It is used to remove oils and old brake fluid from brake parts in cars. I often use it to degrease parts that need to be extra clean, such as when cleaning surfaces to epoxy. Dwight > >-- > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From jimw at agora.rdrop.com Tue Aug 12 11:42:00 2003 From: jimw at agora.rdrop.com (James Willing) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Updates in general... Message-ID: <20030812092831.O40401@agora.rdrop.com> Before everyone thinks I've fallen off the edge of the world (tempting tho it is some days) a brief status. I'm behind on everything (short and to the point). I ended up having to move on a house deal a few weeks ago unexpectedly. It was that, or lose the house and probably be unable to reopen the bowling center for a month or more. And seeing as that is my major source of income... But doing this took all the money I had on hand. So I'm in day to day scrounge mode until the end of this week when I finally reopen. Then I can start catching up on shipping, updates, etc... In general, the 'Garage' sale is on hold until I get shipping caught up. Kinda like cutting off the leg to spite the face, but... Hell, by the end of the year I may even have a life again... Of course then there are added little amusements like the 'rocket scientists' at Register.Com who are unable to process a domain renewal in less than "6 to 8 weeks" (their words) unless paid thru the blessed 'credit card'. So the web site and email for the center have been killed... Even a USPS Money Order does not count for anything anymore! Is it just me, or does it seem that the more 'hi-tech' that things become, the stupider the people behind them seem to get??? Surviving... (barely) -jim --- jimw@agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw From patrick at evocative.com Tue Aug 12 11:47:00 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: (Ping!) Paging Jim Willing. In-Reply-To: <20030812052017.41AAC37BA9@www.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: David, I haven't heard from him either. I was told by another list member to be patient, but we've got a deal half executed (he has a fair some of my money, I have nothing) and he hasn't answered any of my emails in weeks, and I'm getting a little concerned. If you hear from him, would you mind letting me know off-list? Patrick From kth at srv.net Tue Aug 12 11:50:20 2003 From: kth at srv.net (Kevin Handy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: reading rsts 7.1 disks from OpenVMS In-Reply-To: <011701c36070$793dc200$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> References: <011701c36070$793dc200$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> Message-ID: <3F3923DE.6020103@srv.net> John Allain wrote: >>I have several disk paks that are clearly marked RSTS 7.1 Image Data >> >> >Backups. > >Just a thought (experts?), but given the label they may be >more Backup format than RSTS format (at least at the first >level). What I don't know is if VMS restore understands RSTS >backups. > > BTW if someone has RSTS for an 11/23 I > could look myself at the problem for you. > > > Did 7.1 use the old or the new backup? You may also be looking at a SAVRES image. If it is the older version, which sounds likely from your description, the only way you will ever read it is by using a RSTS/E system. The old backup wrote to the disks in a raw format (no directory structure) laying out everything in its own special format. SIMH would be useful for reading this if you can create images of the packs. You might be able to read them on VMS by getting the source code to BACKUP (written in BASIC+, and should be available on the RSTS/E distributation) and getting it to run there, but getting it to work is probably much harder to do than just using simh to run RSTS/E and restoring the images. If it is a SAVRES backup, then a real RSTS/E system (or a simh one) is about the only way to read them. I think you also need to restore them on the same media they were backed up from, as SAVRES was an image copy of the original disk. The newer backup is (mostly) compatible with VMS backup, and VMS file structires. From classiccmp at vintage-computer.com Tue Aug 12 11:54:00 2003 From: classiccmp at vintage-computer.com (Erik Klein) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: (Ping!) Paging Jim Willing. Message-ID: > Anyone know where Jim is? I need to get in contact with him ASAP. > -- > David Vohs It's been nearly a month since he last responded to an email of mine. It's been several months since I sent him money. . . I'm now starting to get worried. Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum The Vintage Computer Forum From kth at srv.net Tue Aug 12 11:58:00 2003 From: kth at srv.net (Kevin Handy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books In-Reply-To: <200308121613.JAA16897@clulw009.amd.com> References: <200308121613.JAA16897@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <3F3925D8.3010809@srv.net> Dwight K. Elvey wrote: >>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" >> >>On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: >> >> >> >>> I'm not sure if this will work for grease pencils but >>>you might give this a try. Get a can of brake-clean from >>>the auto parts store. Place the page on a paper towel such >>>that the marked side is against the towel. Spray some >>>brake-clean, starting in a circular motion from outside of the >>>mark to the center. Remove from the towel before it dries. >>>Repeat with clean towel as needed. >>> I'd advise checking on some material that is similar first. >>>As I recall, I used this method on something like a sharpie >>>mark once. Use out side. Brake-clean will give you a real >>>bad hangover. It is mostly solvents and dry cleaning fluid. >>> >>> >>I assume this evaporates to some considerable degree and does not leave >>any marks or residue on the paper? >> >> > >Hi Sellam > It is intended to leave no residue but if there are dyes >in the paper that it dissolves, it may leave rings. You need > Or if your paper is yellowed (aged), it may also make the rings. >to experiment a little. It will also dissolve some plastics >as well so always check first. > It is used to remove oils and old brake fluid from brake parts >in cars. I often use it to degrease parts that need to be extra >clean, such as when cleaning surfaces to epoxy. >Dwight From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Aug 12 12:02:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: (Ping!) Paging Jim Willing. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Erik Klein wrote: > > Anyone know where Jim is? I need to get in contact with him ASAP. Jim is still around, aware of what still needs to be finished, but currently fighting more Bad Shtuff(tm) which prevents him from doing the above at the moment. --f From hansp at citem.org Tue Aug 12 12:05:20 2003 From: hansp at citem.org (hansp) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Updates in general... In-Reply-To: <20030812092831.O40401@agora.rdrop.com> References: <20030812092831.O40401@agora.rdrop.com> Message-ID: <3F391C37.4000009@citem.org> James Willing wrote: > Is it just me, or does it seem that the more 'hi-tech' that things become, > the stupider the people behind them seem to get??? Well sounds like you are having a harder time than I am but I am in battle with Network Solutions on a domain name transfer, with France Telecom on why they shutdown my telephone line and with my webhosting company who claim that they have a 13 digit credit card number from me but need a 16 digit one (despite that and the fact that the expiration date they quote is wrong charges are still going through). I think the world is about to come to an end quite soon now...... -- hbp From ipscone at msdsite.com Tue Aug 12 13:09:00 2003 From: ipscone at msdsite.com (Mike Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3F38C9C9.24091.304F698@localhost> Testing... From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 12 13:13:42 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books In-Reply-To: <200308121613.JAA16897@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030812140552.484fb300@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 09:13 AM 8/12/03 -0700, you wrote: >>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" >> >>On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: >> >>> I'm not sure if this will work for grease pencils but >>> you might give this a try. Get a can of brake-clean from >>> the auto parts store. Place the page on a paper towel such >>> that the marked side is against the towel. Spray some >>> brake-clean, starting in a circular motion from outside of the >>> mark to the center. Remove from the towel before it dries. >>> Repeat with clean towel as needed. >>> I'd advise checking on some material that is similar first. >>> As I recall, I used this method on something like a sharpie >>> mark once. Use out side. Brake-clean will give you a real >>> bad hangover. It is mostly solvents and dry cleaning fluid. >> >>I assume this evaporates to some considerable degree and does not leave >>any marks or residue on the paper? > >Hi Sellam > It is intended to leave no residue but if there are dyes >in the paper that it dissolves, it may leave rings. You need >to experiment a little. It will also dissolve some plastics >as well so always check first. > It is used to remove oils and old brake fluid from brake parts >in cars. I often use it to degrease parts that need to be extra >clean, such as when cleaning surfaces to epoxy. >Dwight I use the spray on brake cleaner to clean off the old dried up grease on gummed up floppy drives. (The HP dual sided drives are notorious for this.) I haven't had any problem with it attacking plastics used on the disk drives but I'd still recommend testing it first. Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 12 13:16:57 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Updates in general... In-Reply-To: <20030812092831.O40401@agora.rdrop.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030812140728.484f5048@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 09:39 AM 8/12/03 -0700, you wrote: >Before everyone thinks I've fallen off the edge of the world (tempting tho >it is some days) a brief status. > >I'm behind on everything (short and to the point). > >I ended up having to move on a house deal a few weeks ago unexpectedly. >It was that, or lose the house and probably be unable to reopen the >bowling center for a month or more. And seeing as that is my major >source of income... > >But doing this took all the money I had on hand. So I'm in day to day >scrounge mode until the end of this week when I finally reopen. Then I >can start catching up on shipping, updates, etc... > >In general, the 'Garage' sale is on hold until I get shipping caught up. >Kinda like cutting off the leg to spite the face, but... > >Hell, by the end of the year I may even have a life again... > >Of course then there are added little amusements like the 'rocket >scientists' at Register.Com who are unable to process a domain renewal in >less than "6 to 8 weeks" (their words) unless paid thru the blessed >'credit card'. So the web site and email for the center have been >killed... Even a USPS Money Order does not count for anything anymore! Sounds like E-bay! > >Is it just me, or does it seem that the more 'hi-tech' that things become, >the stupider the people behind them seem to get??? Yeap, JUST like Ebay! Joe > >Surviving... (barely) >-jim >--- >jimw@agora.rdrop.com >The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 12 13:21:01 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:16 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? Message-ID: Does anyone have a copy of Virtual Valerie for the Mac? I need it for a project I'm working on. Please reply privately. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 12 13:24:43 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books In-Reply-To: <3F3925D8.3010809@srv.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Kevin Handy wrote: > > It is intended to leave no residue but if there are dyes > >in the paper that it dissolves, it may leave rings. You need > > > Or if your paper is yellowed (aged), it may also make the rings. That was my next question :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From jwest at classiccmp.org Tue Aug 12 13:29:01 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? References: Message-ID: <007801c360fe$ff6d03c0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> *giggle* *cough* ----- Original Message ----- From: Vintage Computer Festival To: Classic Computers Mailing List Cc: Bay Area Computer Collector List Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:04 PM Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? Does anyone have a copy of Virtual Valerie for the Mac? I need it for a project I'm working on. Please reply privately. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From bpope at wordstock.com Tue Aug 12 13:34:00 2003 From: bpope at wordstock.com (Bryan Pope) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? In-Reply-To: from "Vintage Computer Festival" at Aug 12, 03 11:04:31 am Message-ID: <200308121822.OAA21850@wordstock.com> And thusly Vintage Computer Festival spake: > > Does anyone have a copy of Virtual Valerie for the Mac? I need it for a > project I'm working on. Please reply privately. uh-huh... And I only read Hustler for the engaging articles... Cheers, Bryan From dwightk.elvey at AMD.com Tue Aug 12 14:02:00 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at AMD.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books Message-ID: <200308121855.LAA17004@clulw009.amd.com> >From: "Vintage Computer Festival" > >On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Kevin Handy wrote: > >> > It is intended to leave no residue but if there are dyes >> >in the paper that it dissolves, it may leave rings. You need >> > >> Or if your paper is yellowed (aged), it may also make the rings. > >That was my next question :) Hi I'm not sure if the yellowing of pages would make any difference. You'll have to dig out some old paperback SiFi book to give it a try. Dwight From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 12 14:56:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > Does anyone have a copy of Virtual Valerie for the Mac? I need it for a > project I'm working on. Please reply privately. You know what? I was actually thinking of Mac Playmate. But I would like copies of either. Let me know if you can accomodate. Reply privately. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From bpope at wordstock.com Tue Aug 12 15:04:01 2003 From: bpope at wordstock.com (Bryan Pope) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? In-Reply-To: from "Vintage Computer Festival" at Aug 12, 03 12:45:27 pm Message-ID: <200308121952.PAA21202@wordstock.com> And thusly Vintage Computer Festival spake: > > You know what? I was actually thinking of Mac Playmate. But I would like > copies of either. > Wasn't this one available on the Amiga as well? Or was there an emulator for the Amiga of the Mac Classic? Cheers, Bryan From hofmanwb at worldonline.nl Tue Aug 12 15:32:01 2003 From: hofmanwb at worldonline.nl (W.B.(Wim) Hofman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: PDP11/24 rev E (M7133-ya) switch settings Message-ID: <000d01c36110$f97a03c0$0d9af0c3@computer4> Hi all, Can anybody give me the settings for an M7133-YA. I had to change from an M7133 and there are a lot more switches on the board. Any help will be appreciated!! Wim From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Aug 12 16:35:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? In-Reply-To: <007801c360fe$ff6d03c0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Jay West wrote: > *giggle* *cough* I seriously wonder (a) what Sellam needs Valerie for, and (b) why we need to reply in private *grin* Sellam, dude... want me to bring you something from Amsterdam next month? :) Cheers, Fred From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Tue Aug 12 16:41:01 2003 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Peter Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Looking for PDP-11/44XA rack advice In-Reply-To: John Lawson "Re: Looking for PDP-11/44XA rack advice" (Aug 11, 21:28) References: <004d01c36056$fbfad6c0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Message-ID: <10308122238.ZM11600@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Aug 11, 21:28, John Lawson wrote: > Hi Jay. I have done this two ways - > > One is to just drill four 1/4" holes thru convenient adjacent hardware > and bolt the cabs together. That's basically what DEC did. I'm not sure if my cabinets are the same type as Jay's; they're original DEC, black frames with grey side panels and melamine (on steel) grey tops. Dimensions are 49_1/2" high, 20_1/2" wide, 28_1/4" deep. The side panels are grey sheet steel with stiffeners on the inside (and surprisingly heavy); at the bottom, they hook over the horizontal side member of the rack, and at the top they have two steel "buttons" which engage teardrop-shaped holes in the top horizontal side member. The joining kit consists of 4 (or maybe 6, but I only have 4) bolts with nuts and star washers, and a couple of black-painted alloy extrusions which fill the small gap between the racks. The spacers aren't essential, but you might want to put 1/8" worth of washers in their place if you don't have them. On the top horizontal side member, at front and back, are two holes, 2_1/2" and 3_1/4" down from the top of the cabinet. A bolt passes through the lower of these at front and back, through the spacers, through the corresponding hole in the other rack, and is secured with star washer and nut. Ditto on the bottom horizontal side member, except the holes are about 1/2" and 2_1/2" down from the top of the side member, and it doesn't matter which hole you use, as the spacer has two matching holes. This is an attempt at an ASCII art diagram of the cross-section of the extrusion: _______ |___ ___| front, 3/8" wide | | | | | | | | distance between front | | and centre "wings" is 1_1/4" | | ____| |____ |_____ _____| centre, 1" wide | | | | | | distance from centre "wings" | | to back edge is 7/8" |_| All sections 1/8" thick And this is a diagram of the side view of the front extrusion, showing the positions of the three holes: |\ ||\ ___|| \ | o|| || | || || | || || | || || | || || | || || | || || | || || | || || | || || | o|| || |_o||_|| The back extrusion is just the same, except without the cutout or bevel at the top. Does this help? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From arcarlini at iee.org Tue Aug 12 17:00:00 2003 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: reading rsts 7.1 disks from OpenVMS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c3611c$9cd1a770$5b01a8c0@athlon> > >Openvms Exchange says that they are not DOS11 or RT11 or Files-11 > >format. > > > >So is there anyway way for OpenVMS to mount and read these > disks, I've > >scoured the search engines and haven't come up with anything yet... > > I hope to be proven wrong, but... I'm not aware of any > software to read RSTS file systems of that vintage for the VAX. OpenVMS VAX (but not OpenVMS Alpha) will mount ODS-1 filesystems, isn't that what RSTS uses or was that just RSX? I also *thought* that RSTS switched, at some stage, to using a BACKUP format that was compatible with that used by OpenVMS. That being said, ss others have suggested, SIMH is probably the easiest way to get at the original data. Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 12 17:35:01 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030812140552.484fb300@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> from "Joe" at Aug 12, 3 02:05:52 pm Message-ID: > I use the spray on brake cleaner to clean off the old dried up grease on > gummed up floppy drives. (The HP dual sided drives are notorious for this.) I use propan-2-ol for this. I recently did the drive in my Integral -- it was so gummed up that one part appeared to be a stepped shaft. After cleaning, it was shown to be a plain shaft with a couple of spacers on it!. I would be very careful about spaying anything into a floppy drive. Not only might it just move the gunge elsewhere (like onto the head!), but also you don't want to disolve plastic parts, or even worse the enamel insulation on the motor windings and head -- at least one enamel is attacked by methanol! I prefer to take things a little more slowly, take the disk holder apart, and clean all the parts seprately. It takes well under 1 hour to do this, and I end up with a perfectly working drive. -tony From dundas at caltech.edu Tue Aug 12 18:01:00 2003 From: dundas at caltech.edu (John A. Dundas III) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: reading rsts 7.1 disks from OpenVMS In-Reply-To: <002601c3611c$9cd1a770$5b01a8c0@athlon> References: Message-ID: At 2:56 PM -0700 8/12/03, Antonio Carlini wrote: >> >Openvms Exchange says that they are not DOS11 or RT11 or Files-11 >> >format. >> > >> >So is there anyway way for OpenVMS to mount and read these >> disks, I've >> >scoured the search engines and haven't come up with anything yet... >> >> I hope to be proven wrong, but... I'm not aware of any >> software to read RSTS file systems of that vintage for the VAX. > >OpenVMS VAX (but not OpenVMS Alpha) will mount ODS-1 filesystems, >isn't that what RSTS uses or was that just RSX? RSX. RSTS never used any such filesystem. RDS-0, RDS1 and RDS1.1. >I also *thought* that RSTS switched, at some stage, to using a >BACKUP format that was compatible with that used by OpenVMS. Similar, don't know how compatible. Around the V8 or V9 timeframe. Quick check of the docs should confirm. In V7 and prior, SAVRES. John From Ladyelec at aol.com Tue Aug 12 18:13:01 2003 From: Ladyelec at aol.com (Ladyelec@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books Message-ID: <12e.2fada4c5.2c6acde1@aol.com> > Subject: Re: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books > Try using a DRY soft cloth--towel or old fashioned diaper and rub, rub, rub in a circular motion. Sometimes Goo Gone will do it but do a test spot first. An artist gum eraser like the brand Magic Rub (I get mine at a craft store), is another good try on inside pages. Isa From rdd at rddavis.org Tue Aug 12 18:34:01 2003 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030812233319.GJ37184@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Quothe Vintage Computer Festival, from writings of Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 11:04:31AM -0700: > Does anyone have a copy of Virtual Valerie for the Mac? I need it for a > project I'm working on. Please reply privately. Tell us more about this project. Inquiring minds want to know! :-) -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 12 18:49:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Jay West wrote: > > > *giggle* *cough* > I seriously wonder (a) what Sellam needs Valerie for, and (b) why > we need to reply in private *grin* You wouldn't believe me if I told you :) > Sellam, dude... want me to bring you something from Amsterdam > next month? :) Sure, but I think some of the things I would ask you to bring might cause you some trouble in customs ;) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 12 18:54:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? In-Reply-To: <20030812233319.GJ37184@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, R. D. Davis wrote: > Quothe Vintage Computer Festival, from writings of Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 11:04:31AM -0700: > > Does anyone have a copy of Virtual Valerie for the Mac? I need it for a > > project I'm working on. Please reply privately. > > Tell us more about this project. Inquiring minds want to know! :-) Ok, it's for a documentary that the BBC is doing on computer sex games. I hooked them up with all the prerequisites (Strip Poker, Soft-Porn, some of the X-rated Atari 2600 games, they already had Leisure Suit Larry, etc.) and am just trying to get them these last Mac titles. On that note, does anyone have the SmutStack for HyperCard on the Mac? Didn't I already ask for this? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From Ladyelec at aol.com Tue Aug 12 19:30:01 2003 From: Ladyelec at aol.com (Ladyelec@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books -Blu-Tak Message-ID: In a message dated 8/12/03 12:08:53 PM Central Daylight Time, cctalk-request@classiccmp.org writes: > Push a blob of Blu-Tak onto the mark, pull it > off; repeat until bored. I I have been looking for some Blu-Tak, where do you get it? Thx ahead of time, On digest, Isa From rickb at bensene.com Tue Aug 12 20:44:01 2003 From: rickb at bensene.com (Rick Bensene) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Free: Two Cipher 9-Track 1/2-inch Mag Tape Drives - Last Chance In-Reply-To: <3F369424.C683D9CD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001e01c3613b$e7474c00$030aa8c0@bensene.com> Hello, David, Has anyone claimed these yet? I live near Portland, it wouldn't be too bad a jaunt to come up and pick 'em up. Rick Bensene The Old Calculator (and a few old computers) Web Museum http://oldcalculatormuseum.com > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of David C. Jenner > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 11:51 AM > To: Classic Computer Moderated List > Subject: Free: Two Cipher 9-Track 1/2-inch Mag Tape Drives - > Last Chance > > > Last chance: I need to get these out of the way soon. > They'll be recycled if I don't get a response within a couple days. > > I have two Cipher 9-Track 1/2-inch Magnetic Tape Drives that > I would like to pass on to someone who might use them. One > is fully operational, the other has a power supply problem. > You could use these for parts, too. > > These drives are free if you pick them up in north Seattle, > or I'll deliver locally or regionally for a negotiable small > fee, depending on the distance. > > Cipher 9-track Tape Drive Model F880 640-90-1025U > ------------------------------------------------- > Pertec interface > 1600 BPI only > 25/100 inches per second tape speed > Auto loading and threading > Built-in diagnostics > Handles 7", 8.5", and 10.5" tape reels > 8.75" high, 19.0" wide, 24.5" deep > 85 pounds > Does not include power cord > Does not include cables to connect to computer > > See http://www.jenner.net/Items/Cipher_F880/index.htm for > pictures of this model of tape drive. The illustrated hard > copy of the manual is not included with this drive. > > This drive has a power transistor problem. The manual for > this drive is, or soon should be, available online, and > contains all the information for someone adept at electronics > to fix and maintain the drive. Alternatively, a hardcopy of > this manual is available for $25. > > Cipher 9-track Tape Drive Model M891 340-96-1050U > ------------------------------------------------- > Pertec interface > 1600/3200 BPI > 25/100 inches per second tape speed > Auto loading and threading > Built-in diagnostics > Handles 7", 8.5", and 10.5" tape reels > 8.75" high, 19.0" wide, 24.5" deep > 85 pounds > Includes rack-mount slides > Does not include power cord > Does not include cables to connect to computer > > See the preceding link to the pictures for the F880 drive for > illustration of the type of drive. The M891 differs little > physically from the F880. > > This drive is fully operational and passes internal > diagnostics. It also reads and writes tapes under computer > control. The manual for the F880 is close to supporting this > drive, and you can use the F880 directions for most maintenance tasks. > > Also, there is an eBay auction for the M891 manual at the > moment. See > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?> ViewItem&item=2550715005 > > > Send me an email if you are > interested. > Dave > -- > David C. Jenner > djenner@earthlink.net From bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca Tue Aug 12 21:25:01 2003 From: bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca (ben franchuk) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? References: Message-ID: <3F399FE5.7080304@jetnet.ab.ca> Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > Ok, it's for a documentary that the BBC is doing on computer sex games. I > hooked them up with all the prerequisites (Strip Poker, Soft-Porn, some of > the X-rated Atari 2600 games, they already had Leisure Suit Larry, etc.) > and am just trying to get them these last Mac titles. > > On that note, does anyone have the SmutStack for HyperCard on the Mac? > Didn't I already ask for this? I'd send it private but I can't do that, so here is a blurb on english adult games I have seen mostly for the PC. ( Ones that may contain sex, nudity or adult topics) I take it that the BBC is doing historical stuff, as most adult games other than the pirated DOS stuff you find on the web have come alot farther than see Boobs in living CGA.I assume most of you focus has been on naughty games, pre 2000. With the censorship of ADULT games in america to protect children you may want to consider some games never got marketed or developed past beta revisions. I remember reading that Serria-Online (Leisure Suit Larry -- King Quest) dropped adult content because they had a conflict of interest with Disney. Games like Princess Maker 2 ( see http://www.softegg.com/PM2_P1.HTML ) never got marketed because it was too messed up in red tape and censorship because the main character is cute girl. Do you know the late DOS games ( 256 color/ sound card / HD ) While not a game, don't forget you could get naughy icons for the Amiga desktop, click to open and clothing vanishes. Also you can get several patches for games like Tomb Raider that would give Lara Croft the nude look. How ever what is a great SEX game varies from country to country. In good old USA striping and the act of sex sells. Other countries like Japan that are more liberal with nudity tend to focus on plot as well as good character devlopment in the game than just pure sex. Do you know of the late DOS adult games 1995--1999 ( 256 color/ sound card / HD ) mostly from Japan like * Paradise Heights * Return to Paradise Heights * Ring Out * Timestripper Mako * True Love * Venus Select * Fairy Nights * Legend of Fairies * May Club * Nocturnal Illusion * Runaway City * Season of the Sakura * Three Sister's Story Several of the games have been ported to windows and "JAST USA Memorial Collection" -- Runaway City,Season of the Sakura, Three Sister's Story -- is good example of games of that era. If you need to find current adult titles check here. http://shop.himeya.com/ in the adult section, under english games. ( The BBC needs a whole new season for the adult games only in Japanese :) ). Some reviews and links may be found here. http://www.princeton.edu/~yeouhsu/bishoujo/index.html From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Wed Aug 13 03:54:01 2003 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Peter Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books -Blu-Tak In-Reply-To: Ladyelec@aol.com "Re: Re: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books -Blu-Tak" (Aug 12, 20:27) References: Message-ID: <10308130941.ZM11947@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Aug 12, 20:27, Ladyelec@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/12/03 12:08:53 PM Central Daylight Time, > cctalk-request@classiccmp.org writes: > > > > Push a blob of Blu-Tak onto the mark, pull it > > off; repeat until bored. I > > I have been looking for some Blu-Tak, where do you get it? > Thx ahead of time, Any stationer or some supermarkets (in the stationery section) in the UK :-) Last time, I got it in either Office World or Ryman's. Outside the UK, I don't know -- but it's made by Bostik if that's any help. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From waltje at pdp11.nl Wed Aug 13 04:48:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > You wouldn't believe me if I told you :) I read it, I read it, and um... u sure THAT's why you need it? :) > > Sellam, dude... want me to bring you something from Amsterdam > > next month? :) > > Sure, but I think some of the things I would ask you to bring might cause > you some trouble in customs ;) Ooow... that wouldnt be the first time there'd be discussions about what is in my bags. If you need to bring anything sensitive into the U.S., stuff it inside a vibrator. They'll see it, turn red lots, pull you over, point at the screen, and ask "uuh.. sir... can you explain what THAT is?" Semi-annoyed I answer "dude... go check with your wife if you can't tell what that is. We all have hobbies, mine is pleasing the old lady... get my point?" and, usually, off you go, as there is no way in hell they'll take it out of the bag and make a fool of themselves. Now.. it was harder to explain when I had 7 of em in the bag (" LOTS of ladies to please, ya know..") but still, they wont give you much crap. Obviously, this wont work if you want to bring some expensive stereo or puter equipment into the country, but... Another good one is the spare bay in your laptop... they will only ask you to turn on the lappy, and if it goes "DING" or lights the screen, they're happy. I once brought a chunk of Black Maroc with me as a bday gift for a friend in Mtn Vw- needless to say, we had a great time :) Cheers, Fred From waltje at pdp11.nl Wed Aug 13 04:53:01 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: CRAP! That was obviously meant to be a private message to Sellam.. apologies to all. --fred From ceby2 at csc.com Wed Aug 13 06:17:01 2003 From: ceby2 at csc.com (Colin Eby) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Available IBM 5360 Message-ID: Folks -- I need to part with my private collection's biggest (and boy is this thing big) Albatros. I have 5360 with two tape drives, two printers and the expansion cabinet. I've never attempted to power the thing up, but they tell me it was working when retired. It's currently located outside of Hartford, CT. Any takers? Colin Eby offline address : ceby2@csc.com From lingenjj at earthlink.net Wed Aug 13 07:18:00 2003 From: lingenjj at earthlink.net (Jacque Lingenfelter) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Dec Rainbow - Complete Message-ID: <410-220038313121316270@earthlink.net> As an old programmer years ago, I purchased a Rainbow to continue my programming work at home.  I have a Rainbow complete with keyboard, monitor, documentation and I believe  Fortran and C compilers and Peachtree.  Any ideas as to whether someone would be interested in a classic?  Any old computer museums?     From dwoyciesjes at comcast.net Wed Aug 13 08:20:00 2003 From: dwoyciesjes at comcast.net (David Woyciesjes) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: OT: Computer Hardware that must go... (cctalk) References: <3F2976CC.C392A400@comcast.net> <3F2978A2.7AB9667F@comcast.net> <3F2E5A52.DDABE54D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3F3A3A4F.C4FC4B7F@comcast.net> Yep, it's me again. I haven't had a chance to update the web page yet (dealing with the 2 newest Windows worms/trojans at work), I do have some more stuff to get rid of to a good home. I'll be at home Saturday afternoon, so if you want to stop by and dig through the pile of stuff, let me know. Here are some more items for sale/trade... --- DEC Alpha Multia, 166 MHz --- Cardinal all-in-one PC - Intel 386 CPU, about 10" color screen. Looks like a Mac SE, just a little bigger --- Some Digital OEM Dos 5/Win31 boxes, couple still in shrink-wrap --- Some other Win31 license books. --- box of parts (drive rails, trays, power supplies) from older Compaq computers. around the Pentium era --- Small HDDs, IDE & SCSI. 1 GB or less. David Woyciesjes wrote: > > I've updated the hardware listing page, with some more parts items and > info... > > > David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > > > > Well, I've been talking about it, and now I finally hove gotten > > > together a basic list of computer hardware and parts that I'm clearing > > > out of my basement... > > > > > > Check them out at: > > > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dwoyciesjes/hardware.htm > > > ...and... > > > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dwoyciesjes/peecees.htm > > > > > > I'll give everyone 3 weeks to get their offers in. > > > > > > This is the stuff I'm looking in trade: > > > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dwoyciesjes/wanted.html > > > > > > It in Hamden, CT... > > > -- -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 From vcf at siconic.com Wed Aug 13 08:39:01 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > CRAP! > > That was obviously meant to be a private message to Sellam.. > apologies to all. Uh oh. Now everyone knows your dirty deeds, you bad boy :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From waltje at pdp11.nl Wed Aug 13 08:46:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > Uh oh. Now everyone knows your dirty deeds, you bad boy :) Yeahyeah, rubbitin. --f From jwest at classiccmp.org Wed Aug 13 08:54:00 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? References: Message-ID: <001401c361a1$e011d5c0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Sellam wrote... >Uh oh. Now everyone knows your dirty deeds, you bad boy :) "Virtual Valerie.. in private...." some phrase comes to mind about a pot, a kettle, and the color black *GRIN* Jay West From jwest at classiccmp.org Wed Aug 13 09:04:00 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Available IBM 5360 References: Message-ID: <002101c361a3$47dc76a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> hrmmmm I can't seem to find a 5360 picture around. Anyone have a link to a picture of such a machine? BTW - here's one for the "aw sh*t" category - I was making a presentation to a prospect yesterday for colocation, and happened to ask them what kind of machine they had before their current AS400, and if they still had it. They told me they had an IBM 370. My eyes lit up, and then they said it was scrapped about two months ago (they did the shredding/melting themselves). ARGH! The only IBM machines I'd normally consider are a System 3, or a 360/70. Speaking of which, what kind of IBM machines could I reasonably acquire that are vintage and would run VM/CMS? I'm looking for something perhaps not quite as big as a 4331, but certainly not something tiny like an RT form factor. Heck, maybe I should look for a 4331. Hummmm. Jay West ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Eby To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 6:09 AM Subject: Available IBM 5360 Folks -- I need to part with my private collection's biggest (and boy is this thing big) Albatros. I have 5360 with two tape drives, two printers and the expansion cabinet. I've never attempted to power the thing up, but they tell me it was working when retired. It's currently located outside of Hartford, CT. Any takers? Colin Eby offline address : ceby2@csc.com From jwest at classiccmp.org Wed Aug 13 09:22:00 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: New hard drive for classiccmp Message-ID: <006301c361a5$da9e2040$033310ac@kwcorp.com> I finally got a good deal on a new hard drive for the machine which hosts classiccmp.org (this mail list) and other classic computer related sites. The new hard drive is 160gb, and cost 99 bucks plus tax... $110.00 total. So, if anyone cares to donate to help defray the cost of the machine for classiccmp, I'd appreciate it. You can mail donations to me, or paypal jwest@classiccmp.org I don't want to get more money than the drive & memory costs, so if donations cover it I'll tell the list right away so no more donations come in. Also, I need to get some more memory for the machine too - it's swapping sometimes. However, I need to get down to the datacenter and pop the hood to verify how many slots it has, how many are currently full, etc. I am sure it takes PC100 or PC133 memory though. My guess is I'll be looking to buy two 512mb panels, or just one, not sure till I see the slots. Fortunately, memory is cheap these days of that type anyways. I'll let the list know memory cost when I find it out. Why the extra space? Well, I have a LOT of stuff to put online that hasn't made it to the ftp side of classiccmp.org yet. Plus, I'm housing decvax.org and pdp11.org, plus I just acquired the hp2000.org domain and plan on putting a lot of stuff there. Regards, Jay West From waltje at pdp11.nl Wed Aug 13 09:34:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: New hard drive for classiccmp In-Reply-To: <006301c361a5$da9e2040$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Jay West wrote: > I finally got a good deal on a new hard drive for the machine which hosts Geez, Jay... I get those for EUR 68. Anyway, how does one paypal something to you? > Why the extra space? Well, I have a LOT of stuff to put online that hasn't > made it to the ftp side of classiccmp.org yet. Plus, I'm housing decvax.org > and pdp11.org, plus I just acquired the hp2000.org domain and plan on putting > a lot of stuff there. *mumble* --f From jruschme at comcast.net Wed Aug 13 09:52:00 2003 From: jruschme at comcast.net (John Ruschmeyer) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Nice find: DEC HiNote Ultra II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 08:38 PM, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > Shitty thing is... (a) the battery pack seems to have died, and > (b) I lost my copy of the SystemCD for reinstalling the system > onto it. Not a very big deal, I guess, but having it would be > nice. > > Soo... anyone have of these gathering dust somewhere? > > Lappy is a P8X/LYS5133 (P5/133 model, 16MB) with the 7.2V/3300mAh > stick-shape LiIon battery pack (FR-PCP8H-AB) > Personally, I wouldn't give up on the battery yet. I've got an older Dell here (P100SD- P5/100) which still holds >90% of its original charge. My suspicion is that the charge is so low that the internal charging circuit won't give it a full charge. (Does it try to charge the battery and then stop?) You may need to remove/insert/remove the battery several times to build up a small base charge before the laptop will charge it to full power. <<>> From hans.franke at siemens.com Wed Aug 13 09:56:23 2003 From: hans.franke at siemens.com (Franke Hans) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: AW: (Ping!) Paging Jim Willing. Message-ID: <1A44D907C412D4118A0C009027FD424601D83EF1@mchp9a5a.mch.sbs.de> > > Anyone know where Jim is? I need to get in contact with him ASAP. > It's been nearly a month since he last responded to an email of mine. > It's been several months since I sent him money. . . I'm now starting > to get worried. No need to worrs, I visited him two weeks ago. Well, I almost passed the thing he calls 'city' if they hadn't a stop sign right at the crossing of the only two roads, I I had to slow down for a pickup... Anyway, he's prety hard working at the moment to get his home setup and the business back to a working condition. He is prety much determinated to finish his part of the deals. Belive me, I tried to talk him out of some of the things he hadn't send out by then, and nothing worked... Gruss H. From hdwach at lsol.net Wed Aug 13 10:00:09 2003 From: hdwach at lsol.net (hdwach) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: UP200 Message-ID: <000801c36100$d78ad4c0$34aaab41@hdwach> I am in need of software for the UP200. Could I also get a copy? From gravesricharde at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 10:03:52 2003 From: gravesricharde at yahoo.com (Rick Graves) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: want to buy DEC VR241 monitor Message-ID: <20030813034215.33676.qmail@web14711.mail.yahoo.com> Need DEC VR241 monitor, dead or alive. (Dead is no problem.) Thanks, Rick Graves gravesricharde@yahoo.com From tran at nac.net Wed Aug 13 10:09:01 2003 From: tran at nac.net (Tran) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: 720K disks in XP Message-ID: <3F397FB6.7DA8B396@nac.net> Thanks. I was livid about this. Have older music devices that use 720K disks to play Standard MIDI files. I was able to use your run command to make 720K disks. Found your post on Google. Tran Whitley From skidmore at worldvenue.org Wed Aug 13 10:13:02 2003 From: skidmore at worldvenue.org (Barry Skidmore) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: 110309-Line Printer Plot Message-ID: <1060736564.11611.11.camel@mail.worldvenue.org> The following file seems to have disappeared from the RT-11 archives and from the RT-11 freeware CD. even though the abstract is still listed. Unfortunately, it is exactly the program I am looking for. Does anyone have any hint as to its whereabouts? I am using Fortran IV on RT-11 5.0.3 and have only a VT320 and LA75 for output. Thanks, Barry Submitted by: William C. Nowlin, Applied Research Laboratories, Austin, TX Operating System: RT-11 Source Language: FORTRAN Hardware Required: Terminal or line printer Keywords: Plotting Abstract: This FORTRAN Subroutine accepts from one to nine real arrays and plots them on an 80 column wide line printer or terminal. Media (Service Charge Code): Source Listing (BA) -- Barry Skidmore From jimgeneva at earthlink.net Wed Aug 13 10:16:43 2003 From: jimgeneva at earthlink.net (James C. Geneva) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: CS80 Instruction set and programming manual 5955-3442 Message-ID: <3F399109.8885272C@earthlink.net> Hello: I wonder if you could tell me if you would know where I might get thisHP manual online? thanks so much! jimgeneva@earthlink.net From billdeg at degnanco.com Wed Aug 13 10:20:43 2003 From: billdeg at degnanco.com (B.Degnan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: AS/400 1991 9404 available in New Jersey Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030812213801.00a0bec0@mail.degnanco.net> Historical Note about AS/400...I worked at IBM when the original AS/400 was first launched. The AS/400 was called "Project Overloard" before launching - it was my job (as an intern) to tape up windows of the conference room containing the AS/400 prototype with black paper so the press could not see in. That was 1987 spring. I helped set up the unit with monitor, boot the unit, and load OS, etc for meetings. To me the as/400 seemed to me like an old fashioned computer. I was more interested in the PS/2's and Windows 2.0. Speaking of which, does anyone have the old IBM Windows Collegiate Kit disks? I have an old model 25 that originally came with this as the OS. Techinically this is Windows 1.5 (?) bd From gravesricharde at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 10:25:01 2003 From: gravesricharde at yahoo.com (Rick Graves) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: want to buy Leading Edge PC Message-ID: <20030813034349.95389.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com> Want Leading Edge PC, IBM PC/XT clone from the 1980's. Need one with a rocker switch on the front. Dead or alive (dead is no problem). Thanks, Rick Graves gravesricharde@yahoo.com From mike at ambientdesign.com Wed Aug 13 10:30:15 2003 From: mike at ambientdesign.com (Mike van Bokhoven) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: ePay Score... References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030808134401.00acfc48@mail.30below.com> Message-ID: <062d01c36186$0fedcae0$3d00a8c0@falco> Hi, Oddly enough, I had one of these with exactly the same problem. I talked to Zenith support, and they were very helpful. To disable the password, you can solder a wire between two legs of an IC on the main board - it worked for me. Unfortunately, I no longer have the information, but perhaps Zenith support still does? A long shot... Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Merchberger" To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 6:20 AM Subject: ePay Score... > Just picked up something I've been looking for for quite a while off of > ePay - a Zenith Minisport ZL-2 (AFAIK, it's a ZL-1 w/2Meg RAM) laptop computer. > > Actually, the computer wasn't the important part -- the important part was > the 5 boxes of floppy disks (3 yet unopened) - those suckers are harder > than hen's teeth to find nowadays... > > 3 batteries, power supply, black naugahyde case (dunno how many nauga's had > to die to make it... ;-) & the aforementioned disks... > $50-few USD shipped. > > Good news: > > 1) lotsa disks now... I already have a bare 2" drive that I've always > wanted to build into one of my CoCo3's - thereby making it unique. I got > the drive on ePay about 4-5 years ago, but it only had one disk. Without > more storage, that was kinda pointless, IMHO.. > > 2) It boots! > > Bad news: > > There's a password on it, so it doesn't boot very far... :-( > > Any utils or 'cmos clearing' keypresses or jumpers I can use to clear that out? > > Thanks, and laterz, > Roger "Merch" Merchberger > > -- > Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers > zmerch@30below.com > > What do you do when Life gives you lemons, > and you don't *like* lemonade????????????? From crazypuppy at tiscalinet.it Wed Aug 13 10:34:24 2003 From: crazypuppy at tiscalinet.it (Salvador Pierangelo) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Old Philips CM100... Message-ID: <000801c36198$435bf890$7a06b50a@itec3> Hi, I've read a post on the net where you said you have a CM100... I'd like to receive the source code of the microchip in the drive and a copy of the manual (if you have it) and I also need the pinout of the cable that connects the drive with the control board CM153... I hope you can help me, 'cause I've found that CD-ROM drive and I'd love to see it operating again... PS: I'm Italian so I cannot speak and write in English very well, please be patient... Bye From karen at geelhoutvlei.co.za Wed Aug 13 10:38:12 2003 From: karen at geelhoutvlei.co.za (Karen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: help Message-ID: <000401c3619a$e580fec0$1d00a8c0@geelhout> Hi, I apologise if this is to the wrong email. I'm trying to find a friend of mine his name is JD Gouws, and his nick is qwerty101. From jwest at classiccmp.org Wed Aug 13 10:42:01 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: classiccmp downtime Message-ID: <010301c361af$83c1e7c0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> I MAY be going to the datacenter this evening, not sure yet, only a 50/50 shot. If I do, I will take the classiccmp machine down to look at the memory slots, and to install the 160gb drive in place of the 20gb drive. This will take a while, so expect to be down an hour perhaps. Then I'll take the 20gb drive home, do a new FreeBSD install with the newer versions of mailman, mysql, php, etc... then at some point I'll take that 20gb drive downtown some other day and replace the existing 4gb OS drive. Like I said, only a 50/50 shot - I may get tapped to do something else tonight. But if not, I wanted to give the list a headsup. Jay From waltje at pdp11.nl Wed Aug 13 10:58:02 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Nice find: DEC HiNote Ultra II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, John Ruschmeyer wrote: > Personally, I wouldn't give up on the battery yet. I've got an older > Dell here (P100SD- P5/100) which still holds >90% of its original > charge. My suspicion is that the charge is so low that the internal > charging circuit won't give it a full charge. (Does it try to charge > the battery and then stop?) You may need to remove/insert/remove the > battery several times to build up a small base charge before the laptop > will charge it to full power. No, problem was that lappy didnt even *see* the damn battery pack, let alone charge it. It turns out that DEC, smart as they were, had special gadgets in the battery pack to keep it from going bad... however, that gadgetry would also lock up if the batt drained 100% (read: leaving it be for a year or so.) There's a lil utility to kick the batt's butt (:) after which the thing is seen again, and then can be charged. I did that, and after a full charge-drain-charge cycle and many hours of use, I verified it to be keeping 100% of its charge.. in other words, even though its from 1997, its as new. YAY! --f From bbrown at harper.cc.il.us Wed Aug 13 11:31:15 2003 From: bbrown at harper.cc.il.us (Bob Brown) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Available IBM 5360 In-Reply-To: <002101c361a3$47dc76a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> References: <002101c361a3$47dc76a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: How about a P370? It will run 370-mode IBM O/S's (VSE/MVS/VM..if you can get a copy of the s/w --- that's the tough part). (and it's much smaller and less power hungry than a 4331.). -Bob >hrmmmm I can't seem to find a 5360 picture around. Anyone have a link to a >picture of such a machine? > >BTW - here's one for the "aw sh*t" category - I was making a presentation to a >prospect yesterday for colocation, and happened to ask them what kind of >machine they had before their current AS400, and if they still had it. They >told me they had an IBM 370. My eyes lit up, and then they said it was >scrapped about two months ago (they did the shredding/melting themselves). >ARGH! > >The only IBM machines I'd normally consider are a System 3, or a 360/70. > >Speaking of which, what kind of IBM machines could I reasonably acquire that >are vintage and would run VM/CMS? I'm looking for something perhaps not quite >as big as a 4331, but certainly not something tiny like an RT form factor. >Heck, maybe I should look for a 4331. Hummmm. > >Jay West > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colin Eby > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 6:09 AM > Subject: Available IBM 5360 > > > Folks -- > > I need to part with my private collection's biggest (and boy is this thing > big) Albatros. I have 5360 with two tape drives, two printers and the > expansion cabinet. I've never attempted to power the thing up, but they > tell me it was working when retired. It's currently located outside of > Hartford, CT. Any takers? > > Colin Eby > offline address : ceby2@csc.com bbrown@harpercollege.edu #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR Harper Community College ## ## ## Systems Administrator Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace From waltje at pdp11.nl Wed Aug 13 11:37:31 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:17 2005 Subject: Old Philips CM100... In-Reply-To: <000801c36198$435bf890$7a06b50a@itec3> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Salvador Pierangelo wrote: > I've read a post on the net where you said you have a CM100... I'd like to > receive the source code of the microchip in the drive and a copy of the manual > (if you have it) and I also need the pinout of the cable that connects the > drive with the control board CM153... I hope you can help me, 'cause I've > found that CD-ROM drive and I'd love to see it operating again... OK... *who* here has that source? 'fess up! > PS: I'm Italian so I cannot speak and write in English very well, please be > patient... You're forgiven... I'm Dutch and cant think at times, which I prove time and again :( --f From jwest at classiccmp.org Wed Aug 13 11:41:13 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Wanted: DG, Microdata Message-ID: <013301c361b1$a91a88e0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Anyone have a DG Eclipse S/130 or S230 they'd be willing to trade? I'm still looking for a Nova 1200, Microdata Reality, and Pr1me too. Contact me off-list if so, I've got DEC, HP, & Heathkit to trade. Jay West From jwest at classiccmp.org Wed Aug 13 11:56:01 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Available IBM 5360 References: <002101c361a3$47dc76a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <01f601c361bb$54f496c0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Bob wrote... >How about a P370? It will run 370-mode IBM O/S's (VSE/MVS/VM..if >you can get a copy of the s/w --- that's the tough part). >(and it's much smaller and less power hungry than a 4331.). Isn't the P370 a card that goes in a PC? I'm looking for something bigger :) Couldn't navigate through IBM's website to find P370 info... Jay From wgungfu at csd.uwm.edu Wed Aug 13 12:17:00 2003 From: wgungfu at csd.uwm.edu (Martin Scott Goldberg) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books In-Reply-To: <10308120021.ZM10571@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> from "Peter Turnbull" at Aug 12, 2003 12:21:18 AM Message-ID: <200308131713.h7DHDguT023580@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> >> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, M Jones wrote: >> >> > I have been looking for a solution to the problem of removing >grease >> > pencil marks on books. I noticed that some time back, someone >posted >> > this question. I do not know if an answer was ever given. > >> I hate these stupid thrift stores that do that. Retards. >> >> Anyway, I never figured out a good way, short of using lots of eraser >> heads. It usually leaves a big blotch, but sometimes I can >effectively >> erase the grease pencil. > It depends where the marking is, on the inside on the paper or on the cover. Grease pencil markings (which I see thrifts use all the time on hardware as well) are very simple to remove. Just use Peanut Butter. The oil in the peanut butter interacts with the pencil markings and breaks it down so that it just rubs right off. Any left over peanut butter comes right off with water. That is why I asked where the markings are however, because you obviously can't do this if it's on regular paper. Most book covers will handle this just fine though, as will game carts, computer/console hardware, etc. Marty From bbrown at harper.cc.il.us Wed Aug 13 12:27:00 2003 From: bbrown at harper.cc.il.us (Bob Brown) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Available IBM 5360 In-Reply-To: <01f601c361bb$54f496c0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> References: <002101c361a3$47dc76a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> <01f601c361bb$54f496c0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: Basically correct...there's also the 9370 (>10 years old, and rack mountable). -Bob >Bob wrote... > >How about a P370? It will run 370-mode IBM O/S's (VSE/MVS/VM..if > >you can get a copy of the s/w --- that's the tough part). > >(and it's much smaller and less power hungry than a 4331.). > >Isn't the P370 a card that goes in a PC? I'm looking for something bigger :) > >Couldn't navigate through IBM's website to find P370 info... > >Jay bbrown@harpercollege.edu #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR Harper Community College ## ## ## Systems Administrator Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Wed Aug 13 12:42:00 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Hewlett Packard HP-IB interface Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813133324.00ab05a0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Anyone have any Hewlett Packard HP-IB cards they want to sell? They're for NASA. If you do, send a list of part numbers with asking prices to ... tempmail.aa@verizon.net From acme at ao.net Wed Aug 13 13:37:00 2003 From: acme at ao.net (acme@ao.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: 3.5 inch DSDD diskettes have landed Message-ID: <200308131758.h7DHwsZX028314@eola.ao.net> Greetings -- The diskettes are here, so here are the details: Certron brand, retail packaged. 10 diskettes per box, with inner plactic sleeve and labels. Still shrink-wrapped. I opened two boxes and formatted 6 randomly-selected diskettes without incident. They look and act brand new. They are packed in two different size cartons: 10-box and 42-box. Weight on the 10-box cartons is 4 pounds, and the 42-boxers are 22 pounds. I'm in Orlando FL, zip code 32810. Price per box is $1, minimum 10-box shipment, plus shipping. I'd prefer to ship UPS but will ship USPS media mail upon request. I can accept VISA, MasterCard, American Express and Discover, but we're flexible here so if you have another preferred method of payment let me know. I *think* I have replied to everyone who said they wanted in on this deal, but if I skipped you, send me an email, either here or at glenatacme@aol.com. I'll get back to you privately with our toll-free 800 number so you can call and arrange shipping and payment. Any other questions, let me know. Later -- Glen Goodwin 0/0 From cisin at xenosoft.com Wed Aug 13 13:53:01 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: 720K disks in XP In-Reply-To: <3F397FB6.7DA8B396@nac.net> References: <3F397FB6.7DA8B396@nac.net> Message-ID: <20030813114535.Q39929@newshell.lmi.net> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Tran wrote: > Thanks. I was livid about this. Have older music devices that use 720K > disks to play Standard MIDI files. I was able to use your run command to > make 720K disks. Found your post on Google. > Tran Whitley If anybody was confused by lack of context,... I believe that he was responding to an earlier thread in which it was discussed that XP does not APPEAR to support formatting 720K floppy disks, but I pointed out that FORMAT A: /T:80 /N:9 DOES still work. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@xenosoft.com From arcarlini at iee.org Wed Aug 13 14:11:00 2003 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c361ce$4c1b9860$5b01a8c0@athlon> > > CRAP! > > > > That was obviously meant to be a private message to > Sellam.. apologies > > to all. > > Uh oh. Now everyone knows your dirty deeds, you bad boy :) Including, presumably, US Customs :-) -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From musicman38 at comcast.net Wed Aug 13 15:02:00 2003 From: musicman38 at comcast.net (musicman38) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books References: <200308131713.h7DHDguT023580@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> Message-ID: <001701c361d6$d91da480$0200a8c0@alico01.fl.comcast.net> >Subject: Re: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books It may be worth asking your local Dry Cleaners about this. They may have a solution that works on removing grease pencil marks from clothing, and although paper is not the same as cloth, it does have some of the same properties, it's worth a try. Personally I always used WD40 to remove the grease pencil marks from old computer purchased at Thrift stores. I just spray a little on a cloth and the price wipes right off. It does not seem to effect plastic in any negative way, although I would use some caution on clear plastic. Phil From vcf at siconic.com Wed Aug 13 21:07:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Removing Grease Pencil Marks On Books In-Reply-To: <200308131713.h7DHDguT023580@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Martin Scott Goldberg wrote: > It depends where the marking is, on the inside on the paper or on the > cover. Grease pencil markings (which I see thrifts use all the time on > hardware as well) are very simple to remove. Just use Peanut Butter. > The oil in the peanut butter interacts with the pencil markings and breaks > it down so that it just rubs right off. Any left over peanut butter comes > right off with water. ! > That is why I asked where the markings are however, because you obviously > can't do this if it's on regular paper. Most book covers will handle this > just fine though, as will game carts, computer/console hardware, etc. The glossy covers are no problem. Rubbing your finger over it a sufficient number of time will work, but thank gawd for citrus based cleansers which work very well (hint: apply the cleanser to a towel, not the surface...especially if there's a crease or anywhere that the cleanser can penetrate the glossy surface). -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 13 21:20:03 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Hewlett Packard HP-IB interface In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813133324.00ab05a0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> from "Mail List" at Aug 13, 3 01:38:32 pm Message-ID: > Anyone have any Hewlett Packard HP-IB cards they want to sell? HP must have made thousands of different HPIB cards over the years (for just about all of their computers, all of their instruments, and so on...) Can you be a little more specific as to what these have to fit into? -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 13 21:24:01 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Old Philips CM100... In-Reply-To: from "Fred N. van Kempen" at Aug 13, 3 05:38:16 pm Message-ID: > > I've read a post on the net where you said you have a CM100... I'd like to > > receive the source code of the microchip in the drive and a copy of the manual > > (if you have it) and I also need the pinout of the cable that connects the > > drive with the control board CM153... I hope you can help me, 'cause I've > > found that CD-ROM drive and I'd love to see it operating again... > > OK... *who* here has that source? 'fess up! Not me, this time,... Although I do have the service manual for the CDD462 (which, IIRC, is about the same vintage). Said manual includes schematics, but certainly not ROM sources. -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 13 21:27:37 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: want to buy DEC VR241 monitor In-Reply-To: <20030813034215.33676.qmail@web14711.mail.yahoo.com> from "Rick Graves" at Aug 12, 3 08:42:15 pm Message-ID: > Need DEC VR241 monitor, dead or alive. (Dead is no > problem.) It is if you have to repair one... The VR241 is a horrible Hitachi design... Basically, there's a switch-mode PSU which is driven off the flyback transformer (the signal is passed back across the isolation barrier to the mains side of the PSU via a little pulse transformer). So the PSU supplies the horizontal deflection system, which provides the signal to run the PSU. How does it all get started? There's a little astable on the mains side of the PSU that runs the chopper for a few seconds (it's disabled when a capacitor charges up) to get the whole thing running. Which means that if there's any fault in the PSU or horizontal system, the darn thing won't keep running, so you can't check voltages, etc. A right royal pain! Add to that the fact that 90% of the deflection system, including the control IC and the vertical output stage are on a thick film hybrid circuit in the middle of the deflection PCB... And the fact that the darn thing is almost impossible to work on due to the arrangement of the PCBs around the CRT. No, this is not one of my favourite designs... -tony From bshannon at tiac.net Wed Aug 13 21:31:23 2003 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Hewlett Packard HP-IB interface References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813133324.00ab05a0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Message-ID: <3F3AC22E.6000508@tiac.net> For what systems? Mail List wrote: > Anyone have any Hewlett Packard HP-IB cards they want to sell? > > They're for NASA. > > If you do, send a list of part numbers with asking prices to ... > > tempmail.aa@verizon.net From bshannon at tiac.net Wed Aug 13 21:36:02 2003 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Nice find: DEC HiNote Ultra II References: Message-ID: <3F3ABF03.4030107@tiac.net> If a Li-Ion battery pack is not working, get a replacement, or have it rebuilt by pros. If you have never seen a Li-Ion cell explode (I do mean explode), then you have no idea how much power is in there. Personally, I'd NEVER allow them to be charged on aircraft. Li-ion cells are highly explosive! John Ruschmeyer wrote: > On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 08:38 PM, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > >> Shitty thing is... (a) the battery pack seems to have died, and >> (b) I lost my copy of the SystemCD for reinstalling the system >> onto it. Not a very big deal, I guess, but having it would be >> nice. >> >> Soo... anyone have of these gathering dust somewhere? >> >> Lappy is a P8X/LYS5133 (P5/133 model, 16MB) with the 7.2V/3300mAh >> stick-shape LiIon battery pack (FR-PCP8H-AB) >> > > Personally, I wouldn't give up on the battery yet. I've got an older > Dell here (P100SD- P5/100) which still holds >90% of its original > charge. My suspicion is that the charge is so low that the internal > charging circuit won't give it a full charge. (Does it try to charge > the battery and then stop?) You may need to remove/insert/remove the > battery several times to build up a small base charge before the > laptop will charge it to full power. > > <<>> From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 13 21:39:45 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: FA: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030813181825.52b7230c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> I've picked up a crap load of early IBM software and manuals in the last two weeks and got another load today. I got some neat stuff (MS-DOS 1.0, CP/M-86 v1.0) but I've got way more than I have room for so I'm selling a bunch of it off. I have a LOT of technical reference manuals, all kinds of compilers, lots of early IBM software and more. Most of it appears to be unused. I think I'm going to keep the PC Hardware Maintenance and Service manual since I have an early PC that I'm hanging onto, I haven't decided about the CPM=86 and DOS V1.0 yet. See and keep checking back, I've got lots more to post. Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 13 21:43:18 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: 720K disks in XP In-Reply-To: <20030813114535.Q39929@newshell.lmi.net> References: <3F397FB6.7DA8B396@nac.net> <3F397FB6.7DA8B396@nac.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030813181956.4b671d86@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 11:48 AM 8/13/03 -0700, you wrote: >On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Tran wrote: >> Thanks. I was livid about this. Have older music devices that use 720K >> disks to play Standard MIDI files. I was able to use your run command to >> make 720K disks. Found your post on Google. >> Tran Whitley > >If anybody was confused by lack of context,... I was. There was a bunch of them on here today like this. Joe >I believe that he was responding to an earlier thread in which >it was discussed that XP does not APPEAR to support formatting >720K floppy disks, but I pointed out that >FORMAT A: /T:80 /N:9 >DOES still work. > >-- >Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@xenosoft.com From spedraja at ono.com Thu Aug 14 00:15:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW References: <3.0.6.16.20030813181825.52b7230c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <05ea01c36221$ab286560$0e02a8c0@cavorita.net> In my case, I search Multiplan and Basic Compiler from years. PC Network is another good candidate. If you have a list and could send it would be helpful. Oh, and I have a bunch of XT and AT. Hardware maintenance manuals are welcome :-) CHeers Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: FA: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW > I've picked up a crap load of early IBM software and manuals in the last > two weeks and got another load today. I got some neat stuff (MS-DOS 1.0, > CP/M-86 v1.0) but I've got way more than I have room for so I'm selling a > bunch of it off. I have a LOT of technical reference manuals, all kinds of > compilers, lots of early IBM software and more. Most of it appears to be > unused. I think I'm going to keep the PC Hardware Maintenance and Service > manual since I have an early PC that I'm hanging onto, I haven't decided > about the CPM=86 and DOS V1.0 yet. See > > and keep checking back, I've got lots more to post. > > Joe From jwest at classiccmp.org Thu Aug 14 00:39:00 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: list schtuff Message-ID: <011d01c36225$43ca9dd0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> list server and web content is back up now, on the new hard drive. I was hoping to just add the new drive, keeping the existing drives, copy the content from one drive to the other, then yank the old drive and move the new one to it's place. But nooooo there's only two hard drive power cables in the chassis, and I had no Y cable with me. Sooo had to move all the content to another server, replace the drive, move it all back... yikes. Gigs upon gigs takes a LONG time to copy, even on 100bT. Anywho, everything should be back up. Let me know if there are any problems. I have the old drive home now, I'll blow that away and load a new copy of FreeBSD on it with all the newest software we use, then sometime soon go back to the datacenter and put in the new OS drive. Oh, donations can stop... I have enough to cover the drive and the two memory panels. I may put in the memory panels friday morning. Sorry for the long interruption tonight!!! Jay From jos.mar at bluewin.ch Thu Aug 14 01:01:00 2003 From: jos.mar at bluewin.ch (Marian Capel / Jos Dreesen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Tek 8002 system : some questions In-Reply-To: <200308091754.h79Hs8rw001971@spies.com> Message-ID: <9E2B90E0-CE1B-11D7-8A08-000A9585D8F6@bluewin.ch> Al Kossow heeft op zaterdag, 9 aug 2003 om 19:54 (Europe/Zurich) het volgende geschreven: >> Are manuals online or available ? > > From memory, it uses a fairly uncommon processor, too > (2650?) > It does indeed run on a Signetics 2650. > www.spies.com/aek/pdf/tektronix/070-2706-01_8002A_sysRef.pdf > Exactly what I need to get started. Thanks.... Jos Dreesen From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Thu Aug 14 01:15:01 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Hewlett Packard HP-IB interface In-Reply-To: <3F3AC22E.6000508@tiac.net> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813133324.00ab05a0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030814020503.0565eec0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Hello Bob, > For what systems? They usually don't tell me that. The inquiries usually come in just referencing a part number. Best Regards At 06:56 PM 8/13/03 -0400, you wrote: >For what systems? > >Mail List wrote: > >>Anyone have any Hewlett Packard HP-IB cards they want to sell? >> >>They're for NASA. >> >>If you do, send a list of part numbers with asking prices to ... >> >> tempmail.aa@verizon.net From ptremewe at bigpond.net.au Thu Aug 14 05:15:01 2003 From: ptremewe at bigpond.net.au (peter tremewen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Uknown board Message-ID: <00c001c3624b$cec6a520$21378490@vic.bigpond.net.au> Hi all, Found a little something in a "lucky dip" so to speak with some other boards I "needed" Any one have any idea what the hell it is?? Follow the link: http://www.geocities.com/australianvintcomp/Temp/Temp.html Any info would be apreciated. The Sinister Dragon..... From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 14 07:26:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW In-Reply-To: <05ea01c36221$ab286560$0e02a8c0@cavorita.net> References: <3.0.6.16.20030813181825.52b7230c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030814080908.0f9f53c8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Sorry but I don't have a list but I did post BASIC compiler, MultiPlan and two PC Network manuals on E-bay last night. If there's anything in particular that you're looking for, let me know and I'll see if I have it. Joe At 07:05 AM 8/14/03 +0200, you wrote: >In my case, I search Multiplan and Basic Compiler from years. PC Network >is another good candidate. If you have a list and could send it would be >helpful. >Oh, and I have a bunch of XT and AT. Hardware maintenance manuals are >welcome :-) > >CHeers > >Sergio > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 6:18 PM >Subject: FA: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW > > >> I've picked up a crap load of early IBM software and manuals in the >last >> two weeks and got another load today. I got some neat stuff (MS-DOS 1.0, >> CP/M-86 v1.0) but I've got way more than I have room for so I'm selling a >> bunch of it off. I have a LOT of technical reference manuals, all kinds of >> compilers, lots of early IBM software and more. Most of it appears to be >> unused. I think I'm going to keep the PC Hardware Maintenance and Service >> manual since I have an early PC that I'm hanging onto, I haven't decided >> about the CPM=86 and DOS V1.0 yet. See >> > >> and keep checking back, I've got lots more to post. >> >> Joe From vcf at siconic.com Thu Aug 14 07:42:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Uknown board In-Reply-To: <00c001c3624b$cec6a520$21378490@vic.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, peter tremewen wrote: > Hi all, > > Found a little something in a "lucky dip" so to speak with some other boards I "needed" Any one have any idea what the hell it is?? Follow the link: > > http://www.geocities.com/australianvintcomp/Temp/Temp.html Just airing a pet peeve here, but I won't traverse any link through Geoshitties with all those gawd damn pop-ups of theirs unless I absolutely have to :( -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From ghldbrd at ccp.com Thu Aug 14 07:57:00 2003 From: ghldbrd at ccp.com (ghldbrd@ccp.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Uknown board In-Reply-To: References: <00c001c3624b$cec6a520$21378490@vic.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <3083.65.123.179.205.1060865361.squirrel@webmail.ccp.com> Sellam, I've d/l the jpeg already for closer analysis. Email me off-list and I'll bop it to you, no ads guaranteed. I hate Geocities too -- printed off a bunch of their pages and the 'commercials' that I thought weren't there printed out anyway. To quote South Park --- "Bastards . . . ." Gary Hildebrand ST. Joseph, MO -------snip------- http://www.geocities.com/australianvintcomp/Temp/Temp.html > > Just airing a pet peeve here, but I won't traverse any link through > Geoshitties with all those gawd damn pop-ups of theirs unless I absolutely > have to :( > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer > Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > International Man of Intrigue and Danger > http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at > www.VintageTech.com * From alberto at a2sistemi.it Thu Aug 14 08:05:01 2003 From: alberto at a2sistemi.it (Alberto Rubinelli - A2 Sistemi) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Uknown board In-Reply-To: <00c001c3624b$cec6a520$21378490@vic.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: > Found a little something in a "lucky dip" so to speak > with some other boards I "needed" Any one have any idea what the > hell it is?? Follow the link: > > http://www.geocities.com/australianvintcomp/Temp/Temp.html I think it is a communication controller or an intelligent serial board : the chip Zilog Z0853006 is a serial communication controller, the Nec D8237 is a DMA controller. IC52 and IC53 (near PL2 connector) are RS485 drivers and in the same zone there are some RS232 drivers. The first step is a dump of the ROM near the Intel 8254 : it can be supply many information. Alberto ------------------------------------------------------ Alberto Rubinelli Mail : alberto@a2sistemi.it A2 SISTEMI Web : www.a2sistemi.it Via Costantino Perazzi 22 Tel 0321 640149 28100 NOVARA (NO) - ITALY Fax 0321 391769 Il mio museo di vecchi computers/My old computers museum http://www.retrocomputing.net ICQ : 49872318 ODIGO : 5269083 ------------------------------------------------------ From dtwright at uiuc.edu Thu Aug 14 08:58:00 2003 From: dtwright at uiuc.edu (Dan Wright) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Hewlett Packard HP-IB interface In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030814020503.0565eec0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030813133324.00ab05a0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030814020503.0565eec0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Message-ID: <20030814135033.GB857@uiuc.edu> Mail List said: > Hello Bob, > > > For what systems? > > They usually don't tell me that. The inquiries usually come in just > referencing a part number. Then, can you tell us what part numbers they're looking for? > > Best Regards > > > > At 06:56 PM 8/13/03 -0400, you wrote: > >For what systems? > > > >Mail List wrote: > > > >>Anyone have any Hewlett Packard HP-IB cards they want to sell? > >> > >>They're for NASA. > >> > >>If you do, send a list of part numbers with asking prices to ... > >> > >> tempmail.aa@verizon.net - Dan Wright (dtwright@uiuc.edu) (http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright) -] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [- ``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.'' Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] From =?koi8-r?Q?=22?=stephen Thu Aug 14 09:03:00 2003 From: =?koi8-r?Q?=22?=stephen (=?koi8-r?Q?=22?=stephen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: ALLIED SEMICONDUCTOR In-Reply-To: <019001c3586d$757d6ea0$f8a8a8c0@jouster1> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: "JOHN" To: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:42:37 -0500 Subject: ALLIED SEMICONDUCTOR > > EG150S-V = $29.00 > > > Power supply question > Bryan Pope cctech@classiccmp.org > Mon Apr 7 23:40:42 2003 > > a.. Previous message: H89 CP/M hard-secored boot diskette > b.. Next message: Need info HP 28S > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > Hello all, > > Has anyone heard of the Enermax power supplys? The model number from the > (now non-working) is EG150S-V. > > The special thing about this supply is its size: 4" W X 5" D X 2.5" H > > Thanks for any help!, > > Bryan > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > a.. Previous message: H89 CP/M hard-secored boot diskette > b.. Next message: Need info HP 28S > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > JOHN JOOST > ALLIED SEMICONDUCTOR CORP. > 800-834-0109 X101 > DIRECT 469-241-9022 > FAX 469-241-9825 > JOHN@ALLIEDSEMI.COM > enermax make some of the best and most expensive pc psu's in the world, all the overclockers use them. it sounds like you have something custom - maybe you should repair it. From daniel at rljones.com Thu Aug 14 09:06:20 2003 From: daniel at rljones.com (Daniel Osuna) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: HP Manuals Message-ID: <00c501c361b7$eb146e40$6501a8c0@itmanager> I read a post from you that you may have HP BASIC manuals somewere is that in a Digital Format? Thanks From rorourk at bellatlantic.net Thu Aug 14 09:09:37 2003 From: rorourk at bellatlantic.net (rorourk) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Old HP stuff Message-ID: <004401c361d3$ecfa0d70$0a02a8c0@BOB> Do you still have the 9000 217 and 9133? Bob rorourk@bellatlantic.net From bpope at wordstock.com Thu Aug 14 09:14:38 2003 From: bpope at wordstock.com (Bryan Pope) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: ALLIED SEMICONDUCTOR In-Reply-To: from "=?koi8-r?Q?=22?=stephen" at Aug 13, 03 08:23:57 pm Message-ID: <200308141354.JAA23519@wordstock.com> And thusly =?koi8-r?Q?=22?=stephen spake: > > > > > Hello all, > > > > Has anyone heard of the Enermax power supplys? The model number from the > > (now non-working) is EG150S-V. > > > > The special thing about this supply is its size: 4" W X 5" D X 2.5" H > > > > Thanks for any help!, > > > > Bryan > > > > > > enermax make some of the best and most expensive pc psu's in the world, > all the overclockers use them. > > it sounds like you have something custom - maybe you should repair it. > It is from an older slimline case. Where would I find information on repairing it? Thanks!, Bryan Pope From spedraja at ono.com Thu Aug 14 09:28:18 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW References: <3.0.6.16.20030813181825.52b7230c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030814080908.0f9f53c8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <005801c3626b$d078b460$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Ok, Joe. Thanks. I search mostly Early PC compilers. If I remember well, IBM had Basic, Cobol, APL, Fortran, Macro Assembler, Logo and Pascal. I had a couple of them, but any other find is welcome. My second field of search is about Technical and Hardware manuals. In third position comes commercial software: Wordstar 3.3, Visicalc, Multiplan, Easywriter (I see it in the list), Dbase and so. Fourth, alternative Operating Systems: CP/M, UCSD Pascal, Pick, Osasis/Theos, Xenix, early versions of Netware and Vines, and so on. Fifth, the unexplored forest of the Utilities :-) There are a LOT of IBM Utilities not well known by here. Some other, like the Professional Editor, are known but I have it already. In addition, I should like to know if someone has one IBM PC XT expansion unit with boards (and even peripherals installed). I should like to locate one. Cheers Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW > Sorry but I don't have a list but I did post BASIC compiler, MultiPlan > and two PC Network manuals on E-bay last night. If there's anything in > particular that you're looking for, let me know and I'll see if I have it. > > Joe > > At 07:05 AM 8/14/03 +0200, you wrote: > >In my case, I search Multiplan and Basic Compiler from years. PC Network > >is another good candidate. If you have a list and could send it would be > >helpful. > >Oh, and I have a bunch of XT and AT. Hardware maintenance manuals are > >welcome :-) > > > >CHeers > > > >Sergio > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Joe" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 6:18 PM > >Subject: FA: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW > > > > > >> I've picked up a crap load of early IBM software and manuals in the > >last > >> two weeks and got another load today. I got some neat stuff (MS-DOS 1.0, > >> CP/M-86 v1.0) but I've got way more than I have room for so I'm selling a > >> bunch of it off. I have a LOT of technical reference manuals, all kinds of > >> compilers, lots of early IBM software and more. Most of it appears to be > >> unused. I think I'm going to keep the PC Hardware Maintenance and Service > >> manual since I have an early PC that I'm hanging onto, I haven't decided > >> about the CPM=86 and DOS V1.0 yet. See > >> > > > >> and keep checking back, I've got lots more to post. > >> > >> Joe From ptremewe at bigpond.net.au Thu Aug 14 09:33:00 2003 From: ptremewe at bigpond.net.au (peter tremewen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Uknown board References: Message-ID: <01c701c3626e$f327c3e0$21378490@vic.bigpond.net.au> The ROMK is not in a socket unfuatunatly, So it's not going to be convienient to read it. Though If I have to I supose I could desolder it and plug it iinto the Eprom programmer and do a quick read if I really cant find anything alse.... The Sinister Dragon > > The first step is a dump of the ROM near the Intel 8254 : it can be supply > many information. > > Alberto From spedraja at ono.com Thu Aug 14 09:36:29 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW - One addition References: <3.0.6.16.20030813181825.52b7230c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030814080908.0f9f53c8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <006401c3626c$ae0a3380$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Oops, I forgot to mention too: * The Databases: together with Dbase, I should like to put an eye (and hands) in Delta, Rbase, Dataflex, Oracle, Focus and Clipper EARLY versions. * Other Micropro products: Datastar, and so. * Graphic/CAD products: Early versions of Autocad and other similar products. * In general any weird Lan and Multitasking product of the beginnings of PC era. In hardware, it would be welcome one Corvus system with boards to use with my XTs and ATs Dream is cheap :-) Cheers Sergio From nico at farumdata.dk Thu Aug 14 09:42:01 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW References: <3.0.6.16.20030813181825.52b7230c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030814080908.0f9f53c8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <005801c3626b$d078b460$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Message-ID: <000601c36270$cdaf9000$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> From: "SP" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:56 PM Subject: Re: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW > In addition, I should like to know if someone has one IBM PC XT expansion > unit > with boards (and even peripherals installed). I should like to locate one. > Take a look at www.farumdata.dk/enserv.htm roughly in the middle of the page. Is it something like that box you are looking for ? It contains today 1x 8", 2x 5.25" and 2x 3.5" drives. I have also a version with 4x 5.25" modules (streamers and/or floppy drives). Nico From alberto at a2sistemi.it Thu Aug 14 10:01:01 2003 From: alberto at a2sistemi.it (Alberto Rubinelli - A2 Sistemi) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Uknown board In-Reply-To: <01c701c3626e$f327c3e0$21378490@vic.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: > The ROMK is not in a socket unfuatunatly, So it's not going to be > convienient to read it. Though If I have to I supose I could > desolder it and > plug it iinto the Eprom programmer and do a quick read if I > really cant find > anything alse.... There is another solution : plug the board on an old ibm compatible computer (the bus is AT bus) and try yo dump the ROM code with debug or other programs : normally the rom fill the memory at address C800 or D000 or D800 and similar. Alberto ------------------------------------------------------ Alberto Rubinelli Mail : alberto@a2sistemi.it A2 SISTEMI Web : www.a2sistemi.it Via Costantino Perazzi 22 Tel 0321 640149 28100 NOVARA (NO) - ITALY Fax 0321 391769 Il mio museo di vecchi computers/My old computers museum http://www.retrocomputing.net ICQ : 49872318 ODIGO : 5269083 ------------------------------------------------------ From Innfogra at aol.com Thu Aug 14 10:42:00 2003 From: Innfogra at aol.com (Innfogra@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Uknown board Message-ID: <42.3c249f9d.2c6d05f9@aol.com> My bet is that it is a video card for a Compaq (Portable 2) and that the round connector is a power plug. Paxton Astoria, OR From jcwren at jcwren.com Thu Aug 14 11:15:01 2003 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Uknown board In-Reply-To: <42.3c249f9d.2c6d05f9@aol.com> References: <42.3c249f9d.2c6d05f9@aol.com> Message-ID: <200308141207.47405.jcwren@jcwren.com> I was thinking it was for a light pen. --John On Thursday 14 August 2003 11:34 am, Innfogra@aol.com wrote: > My bet is that it is a video card for a Compaq (Portable 2) and that the > round connector is a power plug. > > Paxton > Astoria, OR From alberto at a2sistemi.it Thu Aug 14 11:26:00 2003 From: alberto at a2sistemi.it (Alberto Rubinelli - A2 Sistemi) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Uknown board In-Reply-To: <42.3c249f9d.2c6d05f9@aol.com> Message-ID: > My bet is that it is a video card for a Compaq (Portable 2) and that the > round connector is a power plug. The 15 pin high density connector, like vga is not near rf filter or video dac components. I'm not sure this is a vga out. The original video board of the Portable II (my machine) is like this : http://www.retrocomputing.net/parts/compaq/portable2/compaq_01.jpg Alberto. ------------------------------------------------------ Alberto Rubinelli Mail : alberto@a2sistemi.it A2 SISTEMI Web : www.a2sistemi.it Via Costantino Perazzi 22 Tel 0321 640149 28100 NOVARA (NO) - ITALY Fax 0321 391769 Il mio museo di vecchi computers/My old computers museum http://www.retrocomputing.net ICQ : 49872318 ODIGO : 5269083 ------------------------------------------------------ From Lee.Davison at merlincommunications.com Thu Aug 14 11:31:01 2003 From: Lee.Davison at merlincommunications.com (Davison, Lee) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Uknown board Message-ID: <8B39793544120140B253EFE052E7ED0A0171DC9F@lif015.vtmerlin.com> Sellam, >> http://www.geocities.com/australianvintcomp/Temp/Temp.html > Just airing a pet peeve here, but I won't traverse any link through > Geoshitties with all those gawd damn pop-ups of theirs unless I absolutely > have to :( Just go here then .. http://www.geocities.com/australianvintcomp/Temp/ No .html, no popups. You can then look at the two .jpgs Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Thu Aug 14 12:08:01 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Uknown board Message-ID: <200308141659.JAA19070@clulw009.amd.com> Of course one gets the message: " Sorry, this site is temporarily unavailable! The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer. Visit our help area for more information. " That'll teach you to post to such a large group. Dwight >From: "Davison, Lee" > >Sellam, > >>> >http://www.geocities.com/australianvintcomp/Temp/Temp.html > >> Just airing a pet peeve here, but I won't traverse any link through >> Geoshitties with all those gawd damn pop-ups of theirs unless I absolutely >> have to :( > >Just go here then .. > > http://www.geocities.com/australianvintcomp/Temp/ > >No .html, no popups. You can then look at the two .jpgs > >Lee. > >________________________________________________________________________ >This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The >service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive >anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: >http://www.star.net.uk >________________________________________________________________________ From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 14 12:23:01 2003 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Uknown board Message-ID: <20030814171514.59175.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> > Just go here then .. > > http://www.geocities.com/australianvintcomp/Temp/ > > No .html, no popups. You can then look at the two .jpgs Except that the site's now hit its bandwidth limit (probably all those pop-ups ;) which in the case of Geocities seems to be about 2 bytes per week... :-/ cheers Jules ===== Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From mikeford at socal.rr.com Thu Aug 14 12:56:00 2003 From: mikeford at socal.rr.com (Mike Ford) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? In-Reply-To: References: <20030812233319.GJ37184@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030814104641.00a1bd20@pop-server.socal.rr.com> >On that note, does anyone have the SmutStack for HyperCard on the Mac? Hypersmut or something like that. Have it at home, but won't be there for a week. Click on the picture for funny rude sounds. From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 14 13:08:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: early Alpha Micro? Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030814131950.0f072c8a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Doesn't someone here on the list have an early Alpha Micro machine? If so let me know who you are. I remember talking to someone a few years ago about them but I don't remember who it was. Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 14 13:08:33 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Uknown board In-Reply-To: References: <00c001c3624b$cec6a520$21378490@vic.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030814133552.0f07b020@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 05:27 AM 8/14/03 -0700, Sellam Ismail wrote: >On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, peter tremewen wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Found a little something in a "lucky dip" so to speak with some other boards I "needed" Any one have any idea what the hell it is?? Follow the link: >> >> http://www.geocities.com/australianvintcomp/Temp/Temp.html > >Just airing a pet peeve here, but I won't traverse any link through >Geoshitties with all those gawd damn pop-ups of theirs unless I absolutely >have to :( > That's why I use GuideScope :-) Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 14 13:08:39 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:18 2005 Subject: Uknown board In-Reply-To: <01c701c3626e$f327c3e0$21378490@vic.bigpond.net.au> References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030814140127.0f1f2a9a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> You can probably plug the card into a PC and use something like Checkit to find the address and headers of the ROM (Checkit displays the first 70(?) bytes of each ROM). Then use Debug or another utility to dump it to a file. Joe At 12:18 AM 8/15/03 +1000, you wrote: >The ROMK is not in a socket unfuatunatly, So it's not going to be >convienient to read it. Though If I have to I supose I could desolder it and >plug it iinto the Eprom programmer and do a quick read if I really cant find >anything alse.... > > The Sinister Dragon > >> >> The first step is a dump of the ROM near the Intel 8254 : it can be supply >> many information. >> >> Alberto From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 14 13:08:45 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW In-Reply-To: <005801c3626b$d078b460$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> References: <3.0.6.16.20030813181825.52b7230c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030814080908.0f9f53c8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030814135427.0f070018@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 03:56 PM 8/14/03 +0200, Sergio wrote: >Ok, Joe. Thanks. > >I search mostly Early PC compilers. If I remember well, >IBM had Basic, Cobol, APL, Fortran, Macro Assembler, Logo and Pascal. >I had a couple of them, but any other find is welcome. > >My second field of search is about Technical and Hardware manuals. > >In third position comes commercial software: Wordstar 3.3, Visicalc, >Multiplan, >Easywriter (I see it in the list), Dbase and so. > >Fourth, alternative Operating Systems: CP/M, UCSD Pascal, Pick, >Osasis/Theos, >Xenix, early versions of Netware and Vines, and so on. > >Fifth, the unexplored forest of the Utilities :-) There are a LOT of IBM >Utilities >not well known by here. Some other, like the Professional Editor, are known >but >I have it already. Sounds like you collect just about everything for the PC. You must have a lot of room! I used to have APL for the PC. I wish I'd keep it. I think it's the only one that I didn't get in this load. BTW I also have PolyForth from Forth Inc. Forth Inc is the company that Charles Moore started in order to sell Forth after he wrote it. No, it's not for sale. I've had it for a long time and one of these days I'll sit down and give it some serious attention. > >In addition, I should like to know if someone has one IBM PC XT expansion >unit >with boards (and even peripherals installed). I should like to locate one. Those are hard to find. I used to have one but without the intreface cards and cable. They only other one that I know of is the one that Glen sold one E-bay. Joe > >Cheers > >Sergio > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:09 AM >Subject: Re: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW > > >> Sorry but I don't have a list but I did post BASIC compiler, MultiPlan >> and two PC Network manuals on E-bay last night. If there's anything in >> particular that you're looking for, let me know and I'll see if I have it. >> >> Joe >> >> At 07:05 AM 8/14/03 +0200, you wrote: >> >In my case, I search Multiplan and Basic Compiler from years. PC Network >> >is another good candidate. If you have a list and could send it would be >> >helpful. >> >Oh, and I have a bunch of XT and AT. Hardware maintenance manuals are >> >welcome :-) >> > >> >CHeers >> > >> >Sergio >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Joe" >> >To: >> >Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 6:18 PM >> >Subject: FA: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW >> > >> > >> >> I've picked up a crap load of early IBM software and manuals in the >> >last >> >> two weeks and got another load today. I got some neat stuff (MS-DOS >1.0, >> >> CP/M-86 v1.0) but I've got way more than I have room for so I'm selling >a >> >> bunch of it off. I have a LOT of technical reference manuals, all kinds >of >> >> compilers, lots of early IBM software and more. Most of it appears to >be >> >> unused. I think I'm going to keep the PC Hardware Maintenance and >Service >> >> manual since I have an early PC that I'm hanging onto, I haven't >decided >> >> about the CPM=86 and DOS V1.0 yet. See >> >> >> >>> >> >> and keep checking back, I've got lots more to post. >> >> >> >> Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 14 13:08:51 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW - One addition In-Reply-To: <006401c3626c$ae0a3380$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> References: <3.0.6.16.20030813181825.52b7230c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030814080908.0f9f53c8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030814135854.409fb088@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 04:02 PM 8/14/03 +0200, Sergio wrote: >Oops, I forgot to mention too: > >* The Databases: together with Dbase, I should like to put an eye (and >hands) in Delta, >Rbase, Dataflex, Oracle, Focus and Clipper EARLY versions. >* Other Micropro products: Datastar, and so. >* Graphic/CAD products: Early versions of Autocad and other similar >products. That remind me. I saw some Grachics stuff for the PC there but I didn't get it. I think one package was for a Graphical User Interface or something like that and another package was a Developement System for the GUI. >* In general any weird Lan and Multitasking product of the beginnings of PC >era. > >In hardware, it would be welcome one Corvus system with boards to use with >my >XTs and ATs I saw a Corvus box sitting in a scrap place last week. I was wondering if it was worth picking up. It's been sitting outside for a while and I didn't see any interface cards or cables for it. It might still be ok but I didn't know exactly what it was for and since it was missing the card and cable I decided not to bother with it. Joe > >Dream is cheap :-) > >Cheers > >Sergio From waltje at pdp11.nl Thu Aug 14 13:10:01 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Anyone got Virtual Valerie for the Mac? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030814104641.00a1bd20@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Mike Ford wrote: > Hypersmut or something like that. Have it at home, but won't be there for a > week. Click on the picture for funny rude sounds. Sounds like my Southpark's Cartman Says gamecube :) --f From cmcnabb at 4mcnabb.net Thu Aug 14 13:11:00 2003 From: cmcnabb at 4mcnabb.net (Christopher McNabb) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Uknown board In-Reply-To: <8B39793544120140B253EFE052E7ED0A0171DC9F@lif015.vtmerlin.com> References: <8B39793544120140B253EFE052E7ED0A0171DC9F@lif015.vtmerlin.com> Message-ID: <20030814180337.GA2408@4mcnabb.net> On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 05:23:24PM +0100, Davison, Lee wrote: > > Just go here then .. > > http://www.geocities.com/australianvintcomp/Temp/ > > No .html, no popups. You can then look at the two .jpgs > A quick google reveals that ICL seems to be involved in point of sale equipment. Since this board has the word "barcode" printed on it, I would say that it is an interface for a barcode reader. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher L McNabb Tel: 540 231 7554 Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb@vt.edu Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.205622N 80.414595W GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD From cisin at xenosoft.com Thu Aug 14 13:33:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Uknown board In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030814105355.O46678@newshell.lmi.net> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Alberto Rubinelli - A2 Sistemi wrote: > > My bet is that it is a video card for a Compaq (Portable 2) and that the > > round connector is a power plug. Those usually say Compaq in multiple places on them. This says "ICL" Why does it say "Barcode"? The last handheld barcode scanner that I had had a DE9 connector. > The 15 pin high density connector, like vga is not near rf filter or video > dac components. I'm not sure this is a vga out. > The original video board of the Portable II (my machine) is like this : > http://www.retrocomputing.net/parts/compaq/portable2/compaq_01.jpg You have the CGA board. (RCA, DE9, 4 pin Berg(for RF mod)) There was also an optional EGA board. (YES, the internal monitor IS capable of 640 x 350) Both of those were recognizable by the dual row header connector near the middle of the board that the internal monitor connected to. Also, MOST of them had one extra bend at the top of the bracket (there is a Compaq CGA board on the front cover of most of the early editions of Mueller) And ATI made a Compaq EGA. I've never [knowingly] seen a Compaq VGA from the "Portable" days. From tothwolf at concentric.net Thu Aug 14 13:53:01 2003 From: tothwolf at concentric.net (Tothwolf) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Old scopes and equipment in need of a new home (fwd) Message-ID: Reply to original sender below, not affiliated with seller, etc, etc. -Toth ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:23:20 -0000 From: max6328 To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TekScopes] Old scopes and equipment in need of a new home As I posted before, I just cannot keep this wonderful stuff any longer. Have had for many years and never have time to work on them. Most have traces and trigger. Am short a few plug-ins for the 647s Still looking for these. I have approximately inventoried my garage. More in storage locker.List is still growing but this is more complete than before. I want to sell as one LOT as I do not have the time to sell piece by piece. Scopes 1-Tek546 4-Tek 547 1-Tek575 curve tracer 1-Tek 661 1-Tek 556 2-Telequipment S54AR 2-Tek647Rack mount 1-647 parts frame 1Tek 564 storage 1 561B 1-561B Military version rack mount 1-Tek 647 Rack 2-561A Rack mount 1-519 1-Tek 585A Misc Plug-ins 1-53/54k 1-Lavoie Labs clone LA265L 1-4 trace plug-in for 561 3-boxes of manuals for above 2 Scope carts 1-General Radio 736A wave analyzer 1-HP302A wave analyzer 1-Tek 127 dual plugin supply 1-Tek 132 single plugin supply 1- Measurements Model 80 RF gen to 400 MHz 2-TS497B/URR clone of Measurements Model 80 RF gen to 400 MHz 1-HP650A test oscillator, phase shift type to 10 MHz 1-Sierra Electronics Wave analyzer 1-HP 200CDR 1-Auto Radar trap circa 1959 1-Tek 122 preamp 1-GR RF bridge 1650A 1-Pek Labs 10V 50A Arc lamp supply 1-HP410A 1-Rhode and Schwarz secondary time standard (second to NIST in quality) 1-Sorensen DCR600-2.5 amp supply 600V at 2.5 A max Equipment located in Saratoga Ca adjacent San Jose in the south SF bay area.. Yes, I know it is very sad. Any interest?? Max Artusy 408 867 5461 From alberto at a2sistemi.it Thu Aug 14 14:27:00 2003 From: alberto at a2sistemi.it (Alberto Rubinelli - A2 Sistemi) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Uknown board In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030814140127.0f1f2a9a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: > You can probably plug the card into a PC and use something like Checkit > to find the address and headers of the ROM (Checkit displays the first > 70(?) bytes of each ROM). Then use Debug or another utility to dump it to > a file. It's a very good idea ... I was not remembering Checkit :) Alberto. ------------------------------------------------------ Alberto Rubinelli Mail : alberto@a2sistemi.it A2 SISTEMI Web : www.a2sistemi.it Via Costantino Perazzi 22 Tel 0321 640149 28100 NOVARA (NO) - ITALY Fax 0321 391769 Il mio museo di vecchi computers/My old computers museum http://www.retrocomputing.net ICQ : 49872318 ODIGO : 5269083 ------------------------------------------------------ From alberto at a2sistemi.it Thu Aug 14 17:34:00 2003 From: alberto at a2sistemi.it (Alberto Rubinelli - A2 Sistemi) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Uknown board In-Reply-To: <20030814105355.O46678@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: > You have the CGA board. (RCA, DE9, 4 pin Berg(for RF mod)) > There was also an optional EGA board. (YES, the > internal monitor IS capable of 640 x 350) > Both of those were recognizable by the dual row header connector > near the middle of the board that the internal monitor connected to. > Also, MOST of them had one extra bend at the top of the bracket (there is > a Compaq CGA board on the front cover of most of the early editions of > Mueller) These are very interesting information ! Thanks Fred ! Alberto ------------------------------------------------------ Alberto Rubinelli Mail : alberto@a2sistemi.it A2 SISTEMI Web : www.a2sistemi.it Via Costantino Perazzi 22 Tel 0321 640149 28100 NOVARA (NO) - ITALY Fax 0321 391769 Il mio museo di vecchi computers/My old computers museum http://www.retrocomputing.net ICQ : 49872318 ODIGO : 5269083 ------------------------------------------------------ From jrkeys at concentric.net Thu Aug 14 19:53:00 2003 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Found Super Famicon Message-ID: <026d01c362c6$915d8de0$210cdd40@oemcomputer> While out looking today I found a Super Famicom with one controller for $6.96 and the lady in the back room was telling me that this was the second one they had sold. She also said that she had tossed the ac adapter for it. Does anyone know if I can use a regular SNES ac adapter with it? From PeterC at Core-Design.com Fri Aug 15 08:22:01 2003 From: PeterC at Core-Design.com (Peter Connelly (Core Design Ltd.)) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Eric vanLuijk Message-ID: <574271C5615FBA429833338DD95C76A17D7BEA@dbyexc01.eidos.com> Hi, Is this Eric VanLuijk who lives in Middletown, NY? Regards, Peter From meltie at meltie.com Fri Aug 15 08:30:47 2003 From: meltie at meltie.com (meltie@meltie.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: 11/750 minimum config In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1476.81.131.17.163.1060886633.squirrel@xilo.net> Hi guys :) The time of my life has finally rolled around that I can have a good crack at getting my VAX 11/750 up and roaring (as i'm sure David Brownlee would be pleased to note!) I'd like to canvass your opinions on the absolute minimum of hardware that I need in there (I know f'rinstance that I can remove the floating-point card and the RDM) to have something that should at least get to console. I would also like to know what sort of power load we would be talking per card, if anyone is privvy to that sort of information, or at least an informed guess. Same applies for the system blower - does anyone know how much air it should be pushing? thanks meltie/alex From timmartin at topstepdesign.com Fri Aug 15 08:40:03 2003 From: timmartin at topstepdesign.com (tim) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Out of the Blue... Message-ID: Hi Roger, I saw you had posted something about a Quantum Lightning Drive. I have an Apple branded Quantum ProDrive LT SCSI. You have any idea how to set the scsi number on these things? Thanks--if you can help. Tim ---------------- Tim Martin Top Step Design http://www.topstepdesign.com (Graphic, Package, Web Design) 208-683-3000 Taking your project to the next level. From susan.leake at btinternet.com Fri Aug 15 08:46:55 2003 From: susan.leake at btinternet.com (Susan Leake) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: 11/750 minimum config Message-ID: Hi guys :) The time of my life has finally rolled around that I can have a good crack at getting my VAX 11/750 up and roaring (as i'm sure David Brownlee would be pleased to note!) I'd like to canvass your opinions on the absolute minimum of hardware that I need in there (I know f'rinstance that I can remove the floating-point card and the RDM) to have something that should at least get to console. I would also like to know what sort of power load we would be talking per card, if anyone is privvy to that sort of information, or at least an informed guess. Same applies for the system blower - does anyone have a ballpark figure on how much air it should be pushing? Thanks meltie/alex [ps apologies for any previous badly formatted copies of this message. Mutter mutter crappy webmail clients mutter...] From mranalog at comcast.net Fri Aug 15 08:54:00 2003 From: mranalog at comcast.net (Doug Coward) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Uknown board Message-ID: <000f01c36310$46597440$f051e50c@attbi.com> peter tremewen wrote: > Found a little something in a "lucky dip" so to speak > with some other boards I "needed" Any one have any idea what the > hell it is?? Follow the link: If I were to make a wild guess, I would say that it is a "BAR CODE" controller from an old point-of-sale system manufactured by ICL Retail Systems of Dallas. --Doug From ragge at ludd.luth.se Fri Aug 15 09:01:20 2003 From: ragge at ludd.luth.se (ragge@ludd.luth.se) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: 11/750 minimum config In-Reply-To: from Susan Leake at "Aug 14, 2003 11:37:58 pm" Message-ID: <200308150907.LAA14203@father.ludd.luth.se> > The time of my life has finally rolled around that I can have a good crack > at getting my VAX 11/750 up and roaring (as i'm sure David Brownlee would be > pleased to note!) > Nice! :-) I have a 11/750 myself that I powered on yesterday :-) It just needs network to be happy. > I'd like to canvass your opinions on the absolute minimum of hardware that I > need in there (I know f'rinstance that I can remove the floating-point card > and the RDM) to have something that should at least get to console. > Well, that depends. You need the four CPU cards (L0002, L0003, L0004 and L0008) and also the memory/unibus/rom card (L0010, L0016 or L0022). Then you need some memory (M8750, 1MB each). If you have Massbus disks there must also be a L0007 Massbus controller, for unibus disks choose the controller you need. The only additional card you need is the Unibus terminator card. > I would also like to know what sort of power load we would be talking per > card, if anyone is privvy to that sort of information, or at least an > informed guess. > Per card is a strange way of measure, but the whole machine runs nicely in a 10A fuse in Europe (230V). > Same applies for the system blower - does anyone have a ballpark figure on > how much air it should be pushing? > ``Much''. There are air-flow sensors inside the machine that will shut down the machine if there aren't enough air flowing through the machine. -- Ragge From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 15 10:21:01 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Alpha-Micro 1000 Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030815110602.3797b0b8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> FYI: I finally got around to posting some pictures of the Alpha Micro 1000 that I picked up a couple of weeks ago. Here's a link; Unlike the AM-100 this one has no buss system in it but does have a connector for an optional I/O card on the left size (facing the computer). It also has a connector for a daughterboard on the right side. Mine has an AM-706 memory card there. I also have an optional I/O card installed in the left side. The card in mine is a PIICEON SR 1000-8P. It adds 8 additional serial ports to the system. (there are 3 serial ports built in). The main circuit card is a large custom card that is almost as big as the case. The card hinges up to reveal the power supply and hard drive and floppy drive (if equipped). This one has no floppy drive but does have a 190 Mb Maxtor hard drive. I've been able to get it to run self test and everything passes fine except that the system says that there's no har drive contoller in it. Since it doesn't think there's a HD controller it never boots. I haven't gotten around to troubleshooting it so at the moment it's just collectiung dust. Joe From jrasite at eoni.com Fri Aug 15 11:04:01 2003 From: jrasite at eoni.com (Jim) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: FW: [swap] FS: some SW, and a couple of SGI Indys (for LEM) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 15 11:45:01 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW - One addition Now GPIB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030815121320.36cf8740@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Here's something else that I thought some of you might find intersting. . I had never even heard of this one before. It seems to be a reprint of the National Instruments GP-IB manuals with the possible addition of some additional information about linking GP-IB procedures to most of the IBM/MicroSoft languages. Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 15 12:33:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: FA: Altera PLD programmer, Motorola HYPERmodules and IBM PC Professional Debug Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030815132536.5857cae2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> See . Joe From gesar at tiscalinet.ch Fri Aug 15 12:46:00 2003 From: gesar at tiscalinet.ch (Stefan Daehler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Out of the Blue... Message-ID: <200308151727.h7FHRog30883@smtp.tiscali.ch> Original Message: >Hi Roger, > >I saw you had posted something about a Quantum Lightning Drive. I have an >Apple branded Quantum ProDrive LT SCSI. You have any idea how to set the >scsi number on these things? > >Thanks--if you can help. See < http://www.maxtor.com/en/documentation/pdf_jumper_settings/prodrive_scsi_ju mpers.pdf> Good lick! Steff From aek at spies.com Fri Aug 15 12:58:01 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: DSD 880 diag floppy Message-ID: <200308151750.h7FHoXgW008048@spies.com> I've read the diag disks from joe. There were two different versions for the DSD 880 and two for the Dilog DQ614. Disk images will be up for a few weeks at www.spies.com/aek/dsd. I'm still interested in the 880 manual, Bob :-) here's the readme QUALOGY D880/D885 DIAGNOSTIC DISKETTE DIRECTORY QUALOGY P/N 060112-05 REV A RELEASE DATE: 16-OCT-85 FILENAME BLOCKS DATE ---------- ------ --------- QMON .SYS 4. 13-FEB-85 ;Qualogy Monitor File. HELP .TXT 2. 15-OCT-85 ;Help Instruction File. BOT88T.MAC 31. 06-AUG-82 ;880 Boot Prom Macro File. FLPEXR.SAV 50. 13-FEB-85 ;Qualogy Floppy Diagnostic Program. WINEXR.SAV 67. 15-OCT-85 ;Qualogy Winchester Media Management Utility. RLEXR .SAV 58. 19-FEB-85 ;Qualogy Winchester Exerciser Program. TRNSFM.SAV 50. 19-FEB-85 ;Converts 8840 Backup Disks to 8841. TRNSFM.DOC 4. 19-FEB-85 ;TRNSFM.SAV Documentation File. SCNBAD.SAV 69. 15-OCT-85 ;Automatic Bad Track Updating Program. RTFMT .SAV 3. 13-FEB-85 ;RT-11 Floppy Density Change Program. RTFMT .DOC 4. 13-FEB-85 ;RTFMT.SAV Documentation File. RTFMT .MAC 7. 13-FEB-85 ;RT-11 Floppy Format Macro File. DLWAIT.SAV 2. 15-FEB-85 ;RT-11 880/8 Wait Program. DLWAIT.MAC 7. 15-FEB-85 ;RT-11 DLWAIT.SAV Macro File. P880DL.DOC 6. 25-FEB-85 ;P880DL.SAV Documentation File. P880DL.SAV 6. 25-FEB-85 ;RT-11 880/8 Extended Mode Modification File. DYV4DS.DIF 3. 02-MAR-85 ;RT-11 V4.00 880 Double-Sided Support. DYV4DS.DOC 5. 02-MAR-85 ;RT-11 V4.00 880 Command/Doc. File. DYV5DS.DOC 27. 02-MAR-85 ;RT-11 V5.00/V5.01 Double-Sided Doc. File. DY18 .SYS 4. 22-JUN-84 ;RT-11 V5.00/V5.01 DS Standard Driver. DY18T .SYS 4. 22-JUN-84 ;RT-11 V5.00/V5.01 DS Timeout Driver. DY18E .SYS 4. 22-JUN-84 ;RT-11 V5.00/V5.01 DS Error Log Driver. DY18B .SYS 4. 22-JUN-84 ;RT11 V5.00/V5.01 DS Driver w/Both. DY22X .SYS 5. 22-JUN-84 ;RT-11XM V5.00/V5.01 Q22/DS Standard Driver. DY22XT.SYS 5. 22-JUN-84 ;RT-11XM V5.00/V5.01 Q22/DS Timeout Driver. DY22XE.SYS 5. 22-JUN-84 ;RT-11XM V5.00/V5.01 Q22/DS Error Log Driver. DY22XB.SYS 5. 22-JUN-84 ;RT-11XM V5.00/V5.01 Q22/DS Driver w/Both. RTBF .SAV 27. 20-FEB-85 ;RT-11 880 Backup File. RTBF .DOC 10. 20-FEB-85 ;RT-11 880 Backup Documentation File. LOADY .CMD 1. 02-MAR-85 ;RSX-11M V4.0/V4.1 Command File. DYQ22 .DOC 26. 02-MAR-85 ;RSX-11M V4.0/V4.1 Q22/DS Doc. File. DYQ22 .MAC 77. 02-MAR-85 ;RSX-11M V4.0/V4.1 Q22/DS Macro File. DYDBLD.CMD 2. 02-MAR-85 ;RSX-11M V4.0/V4.1 Command File. DYRSX .CMD 1. 02-MAR-85 ;RSX-11M V4.0/V4.1 Command File. DYQ22 .CMD 2. 02-MAR-85 ;RSX-11M V4.0/V4.1 Command File. UNLDY .CMD 1. 02-MAR-85 ;RSX-11M V4.0/V4.1 Command File. SRD .TSK 43. 10-JUN-82 ;RSX-11M File (Used with RSXBF). RSXBF .DOC 10. 20-FEB-85 ;RSX-11M 880 Backup Documentation File. RSXBF .TSK 101. 20-FEB-85 ;RSX-11M 880 Backup File. DECMOD.DOC 3. 04-MAR-85 ;DEC Driver Modifications Doc. File. INDEX .TXT 7. 16-OCT-85 ;Description of Files on This Disk. RELEAS.DOC 22. 16-OCT-85 ;Diskette Release Documentation File. 200. FREE BLOCKS TOTAL OF 774. BLOCKS IN 42. FILES From cisin at xenosoft.com Fri Aug 15 14:45:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: FA: Altera PLD programmer, Motorola HYPERmodules and IBM PC Professional Debug In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030815132536.5857cae2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.16.20030815132536.5857cae2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030815123159.R54418@newshell.lmi.net> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > See > . A lot of great stuff! But, on your DOS 1.1, ... TRUST ME. When the PC came out (August 1981), 1.0 was all that was available. When 1.1 was ready, IBM tried hard to forget about 1.0. Those of us who were using PCs were VERY glad to see the release of 1.1. Neverthless, 1.0 existed, and was ALL that was available for half a year. 1.1 added support for double sided drives, and much more of it worked. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@xenosoft.com From vcf at siconic.com Fri Aug 15 15:01:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Vintage Computer Marketplace Grand Opening! Message-ID: The Vintage Computer Festival is proud to announce the grand opening of the Vintage Computer Marketplace, THE place on the web to buy, sell and trade vintage computers! http://marketplace.vintage.org The Vintage Computer Marketplace (VCM) has been designed to cater specifically to the vintage computer collector. The site features innovative sale and auction tools as well as inventory tools that allow you to keep a database of your computer collection online. It also features a powerful search tool to guarantee you find exactly what you're looking for. 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Best regards, Sellam Ismail and Patrick Rigney Your Vintage Computer Marketplace SysOps! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From spedraja at ono.com Fri Aug 15 16:06:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW - One addition Now GPIB References: <3.0.6.16.20030815121320.36cf8740@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <003901c3636f$aabf76a0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Me, by example. I have one GP-IB board for PC that adquired some time ago in this list. If this package is in your list I should like to get it. CHeers Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Lots of early IBM PC manuals & SW - One addition Now GPIB > Here's something else that I thought some of you might find intersting. > . I had never even > heard of this one before. It seems to be a reprint of the National > Instruments GP-IB manuals with the possible addition of some additional > information about linking GP-IB procedures to most of the IBM/MicroSoft > languages. > > Joe From spedraja at ono.com Fri Aug 15 16:14:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: DSD 880 diag floppy References: <200308151750.h7FHoXgW008048@spies.com> Message-ID: <003f01c3636f$df288440$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Please, if someone has disk images of the utilities used to manage the Dilog DQ614, let me know. I can't format one MFM hard disk to use with the board with my actual utility. Cheers Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Kossow" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: DSD 880 diag floppy > I've read the diag disks from joe. There were two different versions > for the DSD 880 and two for the Dilog DQ614. Disk images will be up > for a few weeks at www.spies.com/aek/dsd. I'm still interested in > the 880 manual, Bob :-) > > here's the readme > > QUALOGY D880/D885 DIAGNOSTIC DISKETTE DIRECTORY > > QUALOGY P/N 060112-05 REV A RELEASE DATE: 16-OCT-85 > > FILENAME BLOCKS DATE > ---------- ------ --------- > QMON .SYS 4. 13-FEB-85 ;Qualogy Monitor File. > HELP .TXT 2. 15-OCT-85 ;Help Instruction File. > BOT88T.MAC 31. 06-AUG-82 ;880 Boot Prom Macro File. > FLPEXR.SAV 50. 13-FEB-85 ;Qualogy Floppy Diagnostic Program. > WINEXR.SAV 67. 15-OCT-85 ;Qualogy Winchester Media Management Utility. > RLEXR .SAV 58. 19-FEB-85 ;Qualogy Winchester Exerciser Program. > TRNSFM.SAV 50. 19-FEB-85 ;Converts 8840 Backup Disks to 8841. > TRNSFM.DOC 4. 19-FEB-85 ;TRNSFM.SAV Documentation File. > SCNBAD.SAV 69. 15-OCT-85 ;Automatic Bad Track Updating Program. > RTFMT .SAV 3. 13-FEB-85 ;RT-11 Floppy Density Change Program. > RTFMT .DOC 4. 13-FEB-85 ;RTFMT.SAV Documentation File. > RTFMT .MAC 7. 13-FEB-85 ;RT-11 Floppy Format Macro File. > DLWAIT.SAV 2. 15-FEB-85 ;RT-11 880/8 Wait Program. > DLWAIT.MAC 7. 15-FEB-85 ;RT-11 DLWAIT.SAV Macro File. > P880DL.DOC 6. 25-FEB-85 ;P880DL.SAV Documentation File. > P880DL.SAV 6. 25-FEB-85 ;RT-11 880/8 Extended Mode Modification File. > DYV4DS.DIF 3. 02-MAR-85 ;RT-11 V4.00 880 Double-Sided Support. > DYV4DS.DOC 5. 02-MAR-85 ;RT-11 V4.00 880 Command/Doc. File. > DYV5DS.DOC 27. 02-MAR-85 ;RT-11 V5.00/V5.01 Double-Sided Doc. File. > DY18 .SYS 4. 22-JUN-84 ;RT-11 V5.00/V5.01 DS Standard Driver. > DY18T .SYS 4. 22-JUN-84 ;RT-11 V5.00/V5.01 DS Timeout Driver. > DY18E .SYS 4. 22-JUN-84 ;RT-11 V5.00/V5.01 DS Error Log Driver. > DY18B .SYS 4. 22-JUN-84 ;RT11 V5.00/V5.01 DS Driver w/Both. > DY22X .SYS 5. 22-JUN-84 ;RT-11XM V5.00/V5.01 Q22/DS Standard Driver. > DY22XT.SYS 5. 22-JUN-84 ;RT-11XM V5.00/V5.01 Q22/DS Timeout Driver. > DY22XE.SYS 5. 22-JUN-84 ;RT-11XM V5.00/V5.01 Q22/DS Error Log Driver. > DY22XB.SYS 5. 22-JUN-84 ;RT-11XM V5.00/V5.01 Q22/DS Driver w/Both. > RTBF .SAV 27. 20-FEB-85 ;RT-11 880 Backup File. > RTBF .DOC 10. 20-FEB-85 ;RT-11 880 Backup Documentation File. > LOADY .CMD 1. 02-MAR-85 ;RSX-11M V4.0/V4.1 Command File. > DYQ22 .DOC 26. 02-MAR-85 ;RSX-11M V4.0/V4.1 Q22/DS Doc. File. > DYQ22 .MAC 77. 02-MAR-85 ;RSX-11M V4.0/V4.1 Q22/DS Macro File. > DYDBLD.CMD 2. 02-MAR-85 ;RSX-11M V4.0/V4.1 Command File. > DYRSX .CMD 1. 02-MAR-85 ;RSX-11M V4.0/V4.1 Command File. > DYQ22 .CMD 2. 02-MAR-85 ;RSX-11M V4.0/V4.1 Command File. > UNLDY .CMD 1. 02-MAR-85 ;RSX-11M V4.0/V4.1 Command File. > SRD .TSK 43. 10-JUN-82 ;RSX-11M File (Used with RSXBF). > RSXBF .DOC 10. 20-FEB-85 ;RSX-11M 880 Backup Documentation File. > RSXBF .TSK 101. 20-FEB-85 ;RSX-11M 880 Backup File. > DECMOD.DOC 3. 04-MAR-85 ;DEC Driver Modifications Doc. File. > INDEX .TXT 7. 16-OCT-85 ;Description of Files on This Disk. > RELEAS.DOC 22. 16-OCT-85 ;Diskette Release Documentation File. > > 200. FREE BLOCKS > > TOTAL OF 774. BLOCKS IN 42. FILES From bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca Fri Aug 15 18:19:00 2003 From: bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca (ben franchuk) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: FA: Altera PLD programmer, Motorola HYPERmodules and IBM PC Professional Debug References: <3.0.6.16.20030815132536.5857cae2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <20030815123159.R54418@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: <3F3D6781.2070405@jetnet.ab.ca> Fred Cisin wrote: > But, on your DOS 1.1, ... > TRUST ME. When the PC came out (August 1981), 1.0 was all that was > available. When 1.1 was ready, IBM tried hard to forget about 1.0. > Those of us who were using PCs were VERY glad to see the release of 1.1. > Neverthless, 1.0 existed, and was ALL that was available for half a year. > > 1.1 added support for double sided drives, and much more of it worked. Did anybody ever run just BASIC from Rom, no DOS at all. Did they ever sell PC's with just single sided drives? Lets face it the only thing good at that time on it was the keyboard and mono-display and warranty. Ben. From cisin at xenosoft.com Fri Aug 15 18:48:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: FA: Altera PLD programmer, Motorola HYPERmodules and IBM PC Professional Debug In-Reply-To: <3F3D6781.2070405@jetnet.ab.ca> References: <3.0.6.16.20030815132536.5857cae2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <20030815123159.R54418@newshell.lmi.net> <3F3D6781.2070405@jetnet.ab.ca> Message-ID: <20030815162436.N57194@newshell.lmi.net> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, ben franchuk wrote: > Did anybody ever run just BASIC from Rom, no DOS at all. Yes. The PC was available without drives $1320 with 16K RAM and "cassette BASIC" was necessary for troubleshooting when the drives didn't work. > Did they ever sell PC's with just single sided drives? Did Apple ever sell ]['s before the ][e? August 1981, the IBM PC was released. PC-DOS 1.00. Single sided drives. Half a year later, they came out with PC-DOS 1.10, and started supporting double sided drives. Why do people who didn't get into it until later keep insisting that IBM did not sell any machines during the first six months of the PC? Do you have any idea how many PCs IBM sold in the first six months? Yes, there was a PC-DOS 1.00 Yes, there were single sided drives Yes, they sucked > Lets face it the only thing > good at that time on it was the keyboard and mono-display and warranty. > Ben. What's SO good about that display? ($300 for board, $300 for monitor) At least they also sold the CGA, which could be used with a "normal" composite monitor. Warranty ?????!!!!!!!??? What for? I didn't void my warranty for 72 hours. From fmc at reanimators.org Fri Aug 15 19:17:00 2003 From: fmc at reanimators.org (Frank McConnell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: FA: Altera PLD programmer, Motorola HYPERmodules and IBM PC Professional Debug In-Reply-To: Fred Cisin's message of "Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:39:03 -0700 (PDT)" References: <3.0.6.16.20030815132536.5857cae2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <20030815123159.R54418@newshell.lmi.net> <3F3D6781.2070405@jetnet.ab.ca> <20030815162436.N57194@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: <200308160003.h7G036D3067038@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Fred Cisin wrote: > Yes, there was a PC-DOS 1.00 > Yes, there were single sided drives > Yes, they sucked The drives, or PC-DOS 1.00? > I didn't void my warranty for 72 hours. Smaller, faster, cheaper: about a month ago I bought a $30 broadband router from CompUSA. I powered it up once to poke at it and make sure it powered up. Then I soldered a JTAG connector in and connected the debugger.... -Frank McConnell From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Fri Aug 15 19:23:01 2003 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: DSD 880 diag floppy Message-ID: <030815201106.7626@splab.cas.neu.edu> If the manuals don't show up elsewhere, I have both the 880D30 and 880S8 manuals. I am actually using them right now, as I am trying to recover files from the 8 MB drive, but you are welcome to photocopy them, and keep the originals, send me the photos. I actually think I may have 2 copies of the 880D30 manual, in that case you can have one. Joe Heck From cisin at xenosoft.com Fri Aug 15 22:44:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: FA: Altera PLD programmer, Motorola HYPERmodules and IBM PC Professional Debug In-Reply-To: <200308160003.h7G036D3067038@daemonweed.reanimators.org> References: <3.0.6.16.20030815132536.5857cae2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <20030815123159.R54418@newshell.lmi.net> <3F3D6781.2070405@jetnet.ab.ca> <20030815162436.N57194@newshell.lmi.net> <200308160003.h7G036D3067038@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Message-ID: <20030815203039.U58433@newshell.lmi.net> > > Yes, there was a PC-DOS 1.00 > > Yes, there were single sided drives > > Yes, they sucked On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Frank McConnell wrote: > The drives, or PC-DOS 1.00? the PCs the most common drive was the Tandon TM100, which was better than many previous ones. I'm ambivalent about MS-DOS. There were some parts of it that I really liked. From brian at quarterbyte.com Fri Aug 15 23:02:01 2003 From: brian at quarterbyte.com (Brian Knittel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Documation Card Reader / USB Interface Message-ID: <3F3D4883.28987.4F3E5024@localhost> Hi folks, I've finally published the schematics and software for the Documation M-series card reader interface I built this summer, which connects the reader to a PC with USB. I've built two of them, actually, one for my HP version of the reader that uses differential signalling, and one for the standard Documation TTL interface, which is going to the Computer History Museum. The schematics and firmware for both are included. The schematics and software are available at http://www.quarterbyte.com/cardread.zip. It's all GPL'd. The zip file doesn't include a bunch of reference information mentioned in the manual but you can download them from the URL's provided in the .PDF'd manual (although for some reason the hyperlinks aren't active, sorry). Someday, when I have time for fun again, in the far, far, distant future, I'm going to extend the IBM 1130 simulator to use this interface so you can run real card decks into it :) Brian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _| _| _| Brian Knittel _| _| _| Quarterbyte Systems, Inc. _| _| _| Tel: 1-510-559-7930 _| _| _| Fax: 1-510-525-6889 _| _| _| Email: brian@quarterbyte.com _| _| _| http://www.quarterbyte.com From frustum at pacbell.net Sat Aug 16 00:41:01 2003 From: frustum at pacbell.net (Jim Battle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: Wang 2200 PCS-II available Message-ID: <3F3DC23E.4040300@pacbell.net> It kills me to let this one go, but it is too far away for me to get. Damn, damn, damn. I'd love to have it myself. > Hello again Jim, > > Yes, you can forward my information to the classic computer list but please > obscure my email address until we have a positive taker. > The model is a PCS-II with 32K Ram & uses BASIC language,. It was > originally purchased in 1976 and we have an instruction manual and some 5.1 > /4" floppy discs or minidiskete's as they used to be called. We also have a > printer which is compatible with the computer and which we can also supply > free of charge. If you need any more info then please let me know. > > Many thanks, > Syd. As for the whereabouts, from another email: > Syd Atherton. > Design Engineer > Tyco Flow Control,Dewrance > Technology Management Centre. > Moss Lane View, > Skelmersdale, > Lancs. > England. If you are interested, please contact me and I'll forward it to Syd, as he doesn't want his email published on a public repository like this. Thanks. From esharpe at uswest.net Sat Aug 16 02:01:00 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: donner analog computer References: <000701c35fa3$c9e1c3f0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> <000c01c35fac$975157d0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> Message-ID: <012f01c363c3$0bd0ed40$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> Please see the Donner analog computer at: http://www.smecc.org/analog_computers.htm we would like to get enough stuff and some docs to get it operational. Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed sharpe" To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: Re: HP2000 pictures > that is curious... but I see why the spread the weight of the three > drives... > > we used 2883 disc drives on the main system, and a 7900 on the test > system. > we also had a rack with a spare processor and reader with a hot spare... > but nice to have the reader on that processor too if we wanted to listen to > music on an am radio next to the processor! > > If you go to the www.smecc.org near the bottom of the home page there is > a b/w picture... you can click on it and see what I am describing. > > by the way can use a 2883 disc drive or two.... > > ed sharpe archivist for smecc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay West" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 5:59 PM > Subject: HP2000 pictures > > > > Hey folks... just happened to come across some pictures of HP2000 systems > > that I have never come across before. Shows some really nice > configurations. > > > > http://www.entrix.co.uk/nostalgia.html > > > > Jay West From esharpe at uswest.net Sat Aug 16 02:04:49 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: donner analog computer References: <000701c35fa3$c9e1c3f0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> <000c01c35fac$975157d0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> Message-ID: <012f01c363c3$0bd0ed40$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> Please see the Donner analog computer at: http://www.smecc.org/analog_computers.htm we would like to get enough stuff and some docs to get it operational. Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed sharpe" To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: Re: HP2000 pictures > that is curious... but I see why the spread the weight of the three > drives... > > we used 2883 disc drives on the main system, and a 7900 on the test > system. > we also had a rack with a spare processor and reader with a hot spare... > but nice to have the reader on that processor too if we wanted to listen to > music on an am radio next to the processor! > > If you go to the www.smecc.org near the bottom of the home page there is > a b/w picture... you can click on it and see what I am describing. > > by the way can use a 2883 disc drive or two.... > > ed sharpe archivist for smecc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay West" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 5:59 PM > Subject: HP2000 pictures > > > > Hey folks... just happened to come across some pictures of HP2000 systems > > that I have never come across before. Shows some really nice > configurations. > > > > http://www.entrix.co.uk/nostalgia.html > > > > Jay West From allain at panix.com Sat Aug 16 07:06:01 2003 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:19 2005 Subject: DOS bugs. (was: FA: Altera PLD programmer, Motorola HYPERmodules ...) References: <3.0.6.16.20030815132536.5857cae2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <20030815123159.R54418@newshell.lmi.net> <3F3D6781.2070405@jetnet.ab.ca> <20030815162436.N57194@newshell.lmi.net> <200308160003.h7G036D3067038@daemonweed.reanimators.org> <20030815203039.U58433@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: <007701c363ed$8649fa60$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> > I'm ambivalent about MS-DOS. > There were some parts of it that I really liked. It helped that the bug count was so low. I don't know that there were any bugs at all with the DOS'es. Q: Were there any bugs in DOS? John A. (or were they saving them all up for Windows?) From nico at farumdata.dk Sat Aug 16 07:24:00 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: DOS bugs. (was: FA: Altera PLD programmer, Motorola HYPERmodules ...) References: <3.0.6.16.20030815132536.5857cae2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <20030815123159.R54418@newshell.lmi.net> <3F3D6781.2070405@jetnet.ab.ca> <20030815162436.N57194@newshell.lmi.net> <200308160003.h7G036D3067038@daemonweed.reanimators.org> <20030815203039.U58433@newshell.lmi.net> <007701c363ed$8649fa60$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> Message-ID: <004701c363ef$e41327a0$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> From: "John Allain" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 1:57 PM Subject: DOS bugs. (was: FA: Altera PLD programmer, Motorola HYPERmodules ...) > > I'm ambivalent about MS-DOS. > > There were some parts of it that I really liked. > > It helped that the bug count was so low. > I don't know that there were any bugs at all with the DOS'es. > > Q: Were there any bugs in DOS? > > John A. Well, I dont know if you could call it a bug, but I once had an experience which I could have lived without (which I obviously do today). I needed to sort a textfile where each record was 256 bytes. I had to give up, as SORT only could sort records up to 250 bytes.... Nico From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Sat Aug 16 07:53:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: DOS bugs. (was: FA: Altera PLD programmer, Motorola HYPERmodules ...) In-Reply-To: <007701c363ed$8649fa60$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> References: <3.0.6.16.20030815132536.5857cae2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <20030815123159.R54418@newshell.lmi.net> <3F3D6781.2070405@jetnet.ab.ca> <20030815162436.N57194@newshell.lmi.net> <200308160003.h7G036D3067038@daemonweed.reanimators.org> <20030815203039.U58433@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030816053041.5aff873e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 07:57 AM 8/16/03 -0400, you wrote: >> I'm ambivalent about MS-DOS. >> There were some parts of it that I really liked. > >It helped that the bug count was so low. >I don't know that there were any bugs at all with the DOS'es. After DOS 1.0 there were a FEW but they were almost unknown. Certainly nothing like WinBlows. M$'s software has NOT improved. Joe (who's spent the last day tring to recover from a damaged W'98 FAT table) > >Q: Were there any bugs in DOS? > >John A. >(or were they saving them all up for Windows?) From dwallace at m-net.arbornet.org Sat Aug 16 11:12:00 2003 From: dwallace at m-net.arbornet.org (Don Wallace) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Afterdark "Star Trek: The Screen Saver" works in Windows 2000! Message-ID: <3kksjvk0lo04oi4nd862fm1jo8metvi8u6@4ax.com> A blast from the past... this is an old (1992) Windows 3.1 screen saver. In cleaning out and cataloging old books and SW in our basement I tracked down the installation disks and serial number for this screen saver. The last time I had installed it was on a 33 mhz 486 with 8 mb of RAM, and the screen saver would make the system noticeably slower in restarting and would make debugging in Borland's IDE slightly unstable. And I only heard the sound through a tinny PC internal speaker. So... on a lark I installed it on Windows 2000 SP 2. The installation apparently failed and aborted at the update of the AUTOEXEC.BAT file, according to the log: [23] Using Straight copy of file: 'c:\autoexec.bat', to: 'c:\autoexec.adk' However... the next time I rebooted, "After Dark" was running in the system tray at startup. I put it in demo mode... no sound... cured by setting the sound system to "Windows 3.1 Multimedia" from "PC Speaker". And yes, it still wakes up at the programmed time you set. My favorite scene is Spock ... "PAIN!" (the horta).... strumming a Vulcan lyrette, singing "bitter dregs"... getting a blast of mind altering pollen from that plant, followed by "Spocks' Love Theme"... Spock with a beard... phasering holes in the screen display... Spock himself looking kind of wrinkled... honorable mention to the flying brain cells, and the sick bay display. As a software developer, I'm really impressed by the backward compatibility of Windows. A 32 bit OS playing a 1992 program with sound. From vcf at siconic.com Sat Aug 16 11:26:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: donner analog computer In-Reply-To: <012f01c363c3$0bd0ed40$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, ed sharpe wrote: > Please see the Donner analog computer at: > http://www.smecc.org/analog_computers.htm > > we would like to get enough stuff and some docs to get it operational. Ed, what model number is this? P.S. Time to get a new digital camera :( -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From dwallace at m-net.arbornet.org Sat Aug 16 14:38:00 2003 From: dwallace at m-net.arbornet.org (Don Wallace) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Vintage Computer Marketplace Grand Opening! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a1tjvsuhlkd0mbc111u8uberjdjfk19q7@4ax.com> Looks great! One thing: you need categories for books and software. Right now it's all just hardware categories. And can categories tree off to subcategories? If it grows you'll need this... On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:38:01 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >The Vintage Computer Festival is proud to announce the grand opening >of the Vintage Computer Marketplace, THE place on the web to buy, >sell and trade vintage computers! > > http://marketplace.vintage.org From patrick at evocative.com Sat Aug 16 16:38:00 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Vintage Computer Marketplace Grand Opening! In-Reply-To: <3a1tjvsuhlkd0mbc111u8uberjdjfk19q7@4ax.com> Message-ID: Don, All of this is present now... take another look around. The categories you see on the home page are only those with products in them, but if you go to the "Power Search" page (for example), you'll see the full list. Patrick > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On > Behalf Of Don Wallace > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 12:29 PM > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Marketplace Grand Opening! > > > Looks great! > > One thing: you need categories for books and software. Right now it's > all just hardware categories. > > And can categories tree off to subcategories? If it grows you'll need > this... > > On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:38:01 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > >The Vintage Computer Festival is proud to announce the grand opening > >of the Vintage Computer Marketplace, THE place on the web to buy, > >sell and trade vintage computers! > > > > http://marketplace.vintage.org From dfnr2 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 17:09:01 2003 From: dfnr2 at yahoo.com (Dave) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Osborne 1 schematics, etc. Message-ID: <20030816220125.35301.qmail@web9403.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I just acquired a non-working osborne 1 (in excellent cosmetic condition, though). I've cleaned it up a bit, and verified that the power supply is good. Are there any online technical docs I can use to bring this machine back up? Any recommendations? Also, could anyone point me to a set of disk images and any Osborne 1 related utilities, info, etc? Thanks, David. From ghldbrd at ccp.com Sat Aug 16 17:36:00 2003 From: ghldbrd at ccp.com (ghldbrd@ccp.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Osborne 1 schematics, etc. In-Reply-To: <20030816220125.35301.qmail@web9403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030816220125.35301.qmail@web9403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3398.65.123.179.166.1061072896.squirrel@webmail.ccp.com> I do have a complete set of SAMS schematics, but that's only good for trouble shoooting after the initial go/no go checks. Does the monitor work? Disk drives spin up? Head search for a boot disk? We can go from there. I have a second Ozzie in pieces, operational status unknown, I can't copy syetem disks on my original, as it is SSSD 80 k format and I can't read them with my commie 128. write me off-list and I'll give you my telephone number and I can talk to you and see where we are. I'd have no qualms about swapping subassemblies, if we can get stuff narrowed down. Freight ain't cheap no more. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO > Hello, > > I just acquired a non-working osborne 1 (in excellent > cosmetic condition, though). I've cleaned it up a > bit, and verified that the power supply is good. > > Are there any online technical docs I can use to bring > this machine back up? Any recommendations? > > Also, could anyone point me to a set of disk images > and any Osborne 1 related utilities, info, etc? > > Thanks, > > David. From vcf at siconic.com Sat Aug 16 18:19:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Vintage Computer Marketplace Grand Opening! In-Reply-To: <3a1tjvsuhlkd0mbc111u8uberjdjfk19q7@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Don Wallace wrote: > One thing: you need categories for books and software. Right now it's > all just hardware categories. They're there. In fact, there's a whole category heirarchy for Literature and Documentation. Look in the category heirarchy for "Literature/Documentation". > And can categories tree off to subcategories? If it grows you'll need > this... That's how it is currently set up. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From fmc at reanimators.org Sat Aug 16 18:33:01 2003 From: fmc at reanimators.org (Frank McConnell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Osborne 1 schematics, etc. In-Reply-To: Dave's message of "Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:01:25 -0700 (PDT)" References: <20030816220125.35301.qmail@web9403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200308162316.h7GNGeAm092444@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Dave wrote: > Are there any online technical docs I can use to bring > this machine back up? Any recommendations? http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/osborne/ -Frank McConnell From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 16 18:58:01 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: FA: Altera PLD programmer, Motorola HYPERmodules and IBM PC In-Reply-To: <20030815162436.N57194@newshell.lmi.net> from "Fred Cisin" at Aug 15, 3 04:39:03 pm Message-ID: > On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, ben franchuk wrote: > > Did anybody ever run just BASIC from Rom, no DOS at all. > Yes. > The PC was available without drives $1320 with 16K RAM > and "cassette BASIC" was necessary for troubleshooting when the drives > didn't work. Indeed. A couple of years back I had a floppy controller problem with the XT that runs my EPROM programmer, etc. I put the board on an extender, and used OUT commands from cassette BASIC to write to the various ports while I looked at signals with the LogicDart. Didn't take long to find the failed inverter chip that was holding the 8272 permanently reset... > > Lets face it the only thing > > good at that time on it was the keyboard and mono-display and warranty. > > Ben. > What's SO good about that display? ($300 for board, $300 for monitor) Well, it didn't flicker (unlike CGA), and the monitor is really pleasant to read. In fact I am looking at a real IBM 5151 MDA monitor right now... > At least they also sold the CGA, which could be used with a "normal" > composite monitor. And which did sort-of graphics (the MDA is strictly text-only). Of course you can have both an MDA and a CGA card in the same machine (my PC/XT and PC/AT machines that I _use_ are configured that way). > > Warranty ?????!!!!!!!??? > What for? > I didn't void my warranty for 72 hours. How long? I don't think I've ever kept a warranty for more than a day :-) -tony From donm at cts.com Sat Aug 16 18:58:32 2003 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Osborne 1 schematics, etc. In-Reply-To: <20030816220125.35301.qmail@web9403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Dave wrote: > I just acquired a non-working osborne 1 (in excellent > cosmetic condition, though). I've cleaned it up a > bit, and verified that the power supply is good. > > Are there any online technical docs I can use to bring > this machine back up? Any recommendations? > > Also, could anyone point me to a set of disk images > and any Osborne 1 related utilities, info, etc? David, I can provide you with a set of disk images, but unless your Ozzie is equipped with the DD mod for the Floppy Disc Controller or the FDC on the PC that you plan to create media on has that capability, you will be unable to use them. Most PC FDCs cannot read/write single density (FM). They would be TeleDisk images. Frank McConnell has already provided you with the online source for docs. - don From jwest at classiccmp.org Sat Aug 16 19:36:00 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: list hardware status Message-ID: <000c01c36456$7e395f00$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Greetings! Wednesday I put the new 160mb drive in the classiccmp server. I left the 4gb OS drive in there, and put the 160gb in place of the 20gb data drive. I brought the 20gb drive home and put it in a temporary system, then put that temporary system down at our datacenter today. I will install all the newest versions of OS and all the software we use on this drive in the 20gb temp machine remotely. Once it's pretty much ready to go, I will take the 20gb drive out of the temp machine and put it back in the classiccmp machine as the new OS drive (to replace the 4gb drive). I'm guessing I'll be ready to do that in a few weeks or so. In addition, because SO many people were very generous with donations (and one person was very VERY generous), I was able to upgrade the RAM in the system to 1gb - as WELL as upgrade the cpu from 667mhz to 1.2ghz. Those two hardware upgrades were put in place late this afternoon. I chipped in about $25 bucks myself to cover the balance. I will let the list know when I get ready to move the new OS drive into place. There will definitely be a short downtime, followed by (likely) a few days or so of things going squirrely as I find the things I missed :) Regards, Jay West From chrisc at addpower.com Sat Aug 16 19:46:00 2003 From: chrisc at addpower.com (Christopher Cureau) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: wanted: memory for uVAX 3100 model 30 Message-ID: Like the subject says, I'm looking for some more memory...I've got 16 megs now with two pieces of memory installed, but I want to bring it up to all 32 megabytes. Would anyone on the list be willing to sell or trade? I've got some VAX 6000 boards and other equipment... Cheers, Chris From jkruppa at geofocus.com Sat Aug 16 19:46:28 2003 From: jkruppa at geofocus.com (Jurgen Kruppa) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Portable II Message-ID: <3FE03DAC2E3E3343B499745BB812731D028675@boca.geo.geofocus.com> Hello, I just acquired one of these units and I also would like it to drive a device programmer except this one has its own power supply. I need a low speed unit and they are getting to be difficult ot come by. I would like to add a 3.5" floppy to this unit and learned in my search that I need the ROM N.3 Bios. Do you have any idea were I can get these chips or the file necessary to create them? Thank you, Jurgen From larry at laurelnet.com Sat Aug 16 19:46:43 2003 From: larry at laurelnet.com (Larry Laurel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Alpha-Micro 1000 Message-ID: <22c3cd36051a07dc287e7aa78d39c16b16fd25e0@bodekandrhodes.com> It will boot from the video-in if you have a bootable tape. Larry -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:06 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Alpha-Micro 1000 FYI: I finally got around to posting some pictures of the Alpha Micro 1000 that I picked up a couple of weeks ago. Here's a link; Unlike the AM-100 this one has no buss system in it but does have a connector for an optional I/O card on the left size (facing the computer). It also has a connector for a daughterboard on the right side. Mine has an AM-706 memory card there. I also have an optional I/O card installed in the left side. The card in mine is a PIICEON SR 1000-8P. It adds 8 additional serial ports to the system. (there are 3 serial ports built in). The main circuit card is a large custom card that is almost as big as the case. The card hinges up to reveal the power supply and hard drive and floppy drive (if equipped). This one has no floppy drive but does have a 190 Mb Maxtor hard drive. I've been able to get it to run self test and everything passes fine except that the system says that there's no har drive contoller in it. Since it doesn't think there's a HD controller it never boots. I haven't gotten around to troubleshooting it so at the moment it's just collectiung dust. Joe From jwstephens_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 19:46:58 2003 From: jwstephens_2000 at yahoo.com (jim stephens) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Netscape and Vintage Computer Marketplace Grand Opening! Message-ID: <20030815202846.93951.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> in Netscape 4.8 this paints most of a screen then ends with the screen totally blank. Is this an MSIE only site? Jim From kelly at montbay.com Sat Aug 16 19:47:13 2003 From: kelly at montbay.com (Kelly Francis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: WILL BUY HP VME Message-ID: <000901c36389$3e578ba0$190a0a0a@concentric.net> Please call me if you have any Hewlett Packard VME or Industrial Computers for sale, ie: HP 743/100, 744's or 745's. Thank you, Kelly J Francis HP Specialists Since 1978 Monterey Bay Communications 1010 Fair Avenue Santa Cruz, CA 95060 831-429-6144 831-429-1918 kelly@montbay.com www.montbay.com From blanken at netins.net Sat Aug 16 19:47:27 2003 From: blanken at netins.net (Heinz Blankenhagen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: HP 4972A Protocol Analyzer Message-ID: <000501c36399$8565e720$6501a8c0@netins.net> I am looking for documentation and software for this equipment. Please reply directly to me at blanken@netins.net thanks Heinz From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Sat Aug 16 19:56:00 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: donner analog computer Message-ID: <200308170047.RAA21203@clulw009.amd.com> Hi Ed Although, I have no specific manuals, these systems are quite easy to work on. I hope that no one has stripped it for tubes or parts. There are many application books published for analog computers. Programming these are almost always similar. I would love to work on bringing yours back to life but am afraid that the distance is a little to great ( I live in Santa Cruz, CA ). Maybe something can be worked out with the Computer History Museum, here in Mountain View ( http://www.computerhistory.org/ ). Some kind of loan or something. I could work on it there, assuming that you could locate a sponsor to cover cost of repair, patches, program resistor and program capacitors. You might also check with Doug Coward: http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog He may have some information specific to Donner Systems machines. Like I said, I'd love to play with it. Dwight Elvey >From: "ed sharpe" > >Please see the Donner analog computer at: >http://www.smecc.org/analog_computers.htm > >we would like to get enough stuff and some docs to get it operational. > >Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC > >Please check our web site at > http://www.smecc.org >to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we >buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. > >address: > > coury house / smecc >5802 w palmaire ave >glendale az 85301 > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ed sharpe" >To: ; >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 7:02 PM >Subject: Re: HP2000 pictures > > >> that is curious... but I see why the spread the weight of the three >> drives... >> >> we used 2883 disc drives on the main system, and a 7900 on the test >> system. >> we also had a rack with a spare processor and reader with a hot spare... >> but nice to have the reader on that processor too if we wanted to listen >to >> music on an am radio next to the processor! >> >> If you go to the www.smecc.org near the bottom of the home page there >is >> a b/w picture... you can click on it and see what I am describing. >> >> by the way can use a 2883 disc drive or two.... >> >> ed sharpe archivist for smecc >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jay West" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 5:59 PM >> Subject: HP2000 pictures >> >> >> > Hey folks... just happened to come across some pictures of HP2000 >systems >> > that I have never come across before. Shows some really nice >> configurations. >> > >> > http://www.entrix.co.uk/nostalgia.html >> > >> > Jay West From patrick at evocative.com Sat Aug 16 20:13:01 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Netscape and Vintage Computer Marketplace Grand Opening! In-Reply-To: <20030815202846.93951.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, Another user reported this yesterday and we thought we had resolved it immediately. When did you see this error, or perhaps more importantly, are you still seeing it *now*? Patrick > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On > Behalf Of jim stephens > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 1:29 PM > To: cctech@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Netscape and Vintage Computer Marketplace Grand Opening! > > > in Netscape 4.8 this paints most of a screen then ends > with the screen totally blank. Is this an MSIE only > site? > > Jim From evan947 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 23:16:00 2003 From: evan947 at yahoo.com (evan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Casio IF-800? Message-ID: <20030817040807.67605.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, does anyone know anything at all about a 1986 small computer called the Casio IF-800? From esharpe at uswest.net Sun Aug 17 00:03:01 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: donner analog computer References: <200308170047.RAA21203@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <004f01c3647b$c73d8a80$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> well, it is not stripped, however I am sure I need some cables for it. it says donner 3500 as I remember. so it is earlier than a sysdon donner, although I remember the instruction manual ( lost probably 20 years ago during a computer exchange inc. warehouse clean out party) said sysdon donner.... what would you folks date it at? I remember there was also a bag of little rectangular boxes with jack tips on them that help components also. ( again missing) if you get to Arizona stop in and take a look at it. in the library here we do have a copy of the korn and korn book on analog computers. Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwight K. Elvey" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 5:47 PM Subject: Re: donner analog computer > Hi Ed > Although, I have no specific manuals, these systems > are quite easy to work on. I hope that no one has stripped > it for tubes or parts. There are many application books > published for analog computers. Programming these are > almost always similar. > I would love to work on bringing yours back to life > but am afraid that the distance is a little to great > ( I live in Santa Cruz, CA ). Maybe something can > be worked out with the Computer History Museum, > here in Mountain View ( http://www.computerhistory.org/ ). > Some kind of loan or something. > I could work on it there, assuming that you could locate > a sponsor to cover cost of repair, patches, program resistor and > program capacitors. > You might also check with Doug Coward: > http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog > He may have some information specific to Donner Systems machines. > Like I said, I'd love to play with it. > Dwight Elvey > > >From: "ed sharpe" > > > >Please see the Donner analog computer at: > >http://www.smecc.org/analog_computers.htm > > > >we would like to get enough stuff and some docs to get it operational. > > > >Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC > > > >Please check our web site at > > http://www.smecc.org > >to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we > >buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. > > > >address: > > > > coury house / smecc > >5802 w palmaire ave > >glendale az 85301 > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "ed sharpe" > >To: ; > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 7:02 PM > >Subject: Re: HP2000 pictures > > > > > >> that is curious... but I see why the spread the weight of the three > >> drives... > >> > >> we used 2883 disc drives on the main system, and a 7900 on the test > >> system. > >> we also had a rack with a spare processor and reader with a hot spare... > >> but nice to have the reader on that processor too if we wanted to listen > >to > >> music on an am radio next to the processor! > >> > >> If you go to the www.smecc.org near the bottom of the home page there > >is > >> a b/w picture... you can click on it and see what I am describing. > >> > >> by the way can use a 2883 disc drive or two.... > >> > >> ed sharpe archivist for smecc > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jay West" > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 5:59 PM > >> Subject: HP2000 pictures > >> > >> > >> > Hey folks... just happened to come across some pictures of HP2000 > >systems > >> > that I have never come across before. Shows some really nice > >> configurations. > >> > > >> > http://www.entrix.co.uk/nostalgia.html > >> > > >> > Jay West From esharpe at uswest.net Sun Aug 17 00:10:00 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: donner analog computer References: Message-ID: <005501c3647c$cddad9a0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> bad camera, bad light, but has an excellent digital audio recorder.... it is a little Olympus 70 dollar wonder from fry's electronics... good enough for a head shot of someone if... and I repeat if the light is correct! and of course good to interview them! ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:10 AM Subject: Re: donner analog computer > On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, ed sharpe wrote: > > > Please see the Donner analog computer at: > > http://www.smecc.org/analog_computers.htm > > > > we would like to get enough stuff and some docs to get it operational. > > Ed, what model number is this? > > P.S. Time to get a new digital camera :( > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From esharpe at uswest.net Sun Aug 17 00:10:18 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: donner analog computer References: Message-ID: <005501c3647c$cddad9a0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> bad camera, bad light, but has an excellent digital audio recorder.... it is a little Olympus 70 dollar wonder from fry's electronics... good enough for a head shot of someone if... and I repeat if the light is correct! and of course good to interview them! ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:10 AM Subject: Re: donner analog computer > On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, ed sharpe wrote: > > > Please see the Donner analog computer at: > > http://www.smecc.org/analog_computers.htm > > > > we would like to get enough stuff and some docs to get it operational. > > Ed, what model number is this? > > P.S. Time to get a new digital camera :( > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From esharpe at uswest.net Sun Aug 17 00:24:00 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: donner analog computer References: <200308170047.RAA21203@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <00e701c3647e$b9767170$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> ok looked at the page you mentioned... there is a 3500 a portable... ours is a 3500 in a rack and has many extra things.... need the clocks to plug in with capacitors et. al. though! Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwight K. Elvey" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 5:47 PM Subject: Re: donner analog computer > Hi Ed > Although, I have no specific manuals, these systems > are quite easy to work on. I hope that no one has stripped > it for tubes or parts. There are many application books > published for analog computers. Programming these are > almost always similar. > I would love to work on bringing yours back to life > but am afraid that the distance is a little to great > ( I live in Santa Cruz, CA ). Maybe something can > be worked out with the Computer History Museum, > here in Mountain View ( http://www.computerhistory.org/ ). > Some kind of loan or something. > I could work on it there, assuming that you could locate > a sponsor to cover cost of repair, patches, program resistor and > program capacitors. > You might also check with Doug Coward: > http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog > He may have some information specific to Donner Systems machines. > Like I said, I'd love to play with it. > Dwight Elvey > > >From: "ed sharpe" > > > >Please see the Donner analog computer at: > >http://www.smecc.org/analog_computers.htm > > > >we would like to get enough stuff and some docs to get it operational. > > > >Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC > > > >Please check our web site at > > http://www.smecc.org > >to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we > >buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. > > > >address: > > > > coury house / smecc > >5802 w palmaire ave > >glendale az 85301 > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "ed sharpe" > >To: ; > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 7:02 PM > >Subject: Re: HP2000 pictures > > > > > >> that is curious... but I see why the spread the weight of the three > >> drives... > >> > >> we used 2883 disc drives on the main system, and a 7900 on the test > >> system. > >> we also had a rack with a spare processor and reader with a hot spare... > >> but nice to have the reader on that processor too if we wanted to listen > >to > >> music on an am radio next to the processor! > >> > >> If you go to the www.smecc.org near the bottom of the home page there > >is > >> a b/w picture... you can click on it and see what I am describing. > >> > >> by the way can use a 2883 disc drive or two.... > >> > >> ed sharpe archivist for smecc > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jay West" > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 5:59 PM > >> Subject: HP2000 pictures > >> > >> > >> > Hey folks... just happened to come across some pictures of HP2000 > >systems > >> > that I have never come across before. Shows some really nice > >> configurations. > >> > > >> > http://www.entrix.co.uk/nostalgia.html > >> > > >> > Jay West From ghldbrd at ccp.com Sun Aug 17 06:06:00 2003 From: ghldbrd at ccp.com (ghldbrd@ccp.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: list hardware status In-Reply-To: <000c01c36456$7e395f00$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> References: <000c01c36456$7e395f00$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Message-ID: <3919.65.123.179.162.1061117932.squirrel@webmail.ccp.com> I think thanks should be passed all around, especially for Jay. We have an invaluable resource here that needs all the financial help and time we can give it. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO > Greetings! snip > In addition, because SO many people were very generous with donations (and > one person was very VERY generous), I was able to upgrade the RAM in the > system to 1gb - as WELL as upgrade the cpu from 667mhz to 1.2ghz. Those > two > hardware upgrades were put in place late this afternoon. I chipped in > about > $25 bucks myself to cover the balance. > > I will let the list know when I get ready to move the new OS drive into > place. There will definitely be a short downtime, followed by (likely) a > few > days or so of things going squirrely as I find the things I missed :) > > Regards, > > Jay West From sonnet at sols.ucl.ac.be Sun Aug 17 06:46:00 2003 From: sonnet at sols.ucl.ac.be (Philippe Sonnet) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: PDP-8/L power supply prints and "reforming" capacitors References: Message-ID: <003401c364b4$128ac100$2101a8c0@solsmineral> Hello, I am facing some problems with the power supply of my DEC PDP-8/L : the voltages are not according to the Maintenance Handbook. Having the prints for the PDP-8/L power supply would greatly help me. Does anyone have them ? The flip chip attached to it has the reference G785. It is the same power supply as the one for the BA08A or BM8L expansion boxes. Also, does anyone have experience in "reforming" catalytic capacitors for the PDP-8/L power supply. Is it necessary to do it ? What are the possible dammage if the "reforming" step is not executed. Philippe Sonnet From menadeau at comcast.net Sun Aug 17 09:23:01 2003 From: menadeau at comcast.net (Michael Nadeau) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Casio IF-800? References: <20030817040807.67605.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c364a8$186a2a40$0b01a8c0@michael> Oki Electric in Japan made an if800 desktop system in the early 1980s that was resold by a number of vendors, some using the same model name. I don't have any information that Casio also sold the system, though. --Mike Michael Nadeau Editor/Publisher Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource www.classictechpub.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "evan" To: Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 4:08 AM Subject: Casio IF-800? > Hey, does anyone know anything at all about a 1986 > small computer called the Casio IF-800? From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 17 10:42:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: PDP-8/L power supply prints and "reforming" capacitors In-Reply-To: <003401c364b4$128ac100$2101a8c0@solsmineral> from "Philippe Sonnet" at Aug 17, 3 01:38:25 pm Message-ID: > Also, does anyone have experience in "reforming" catalytic capacitors for electrolytic, surely? > the PDP-8/L power supply. Is it necessary to do it ? What are the possible > dammage if the "reforming" step is not executed. OK, as you are probably aware, the dielectric in an electrolytic capacitor is an oxide film on the postive plate. The electrolyte is the negative 'plate'... Sometimes the oxide redisolves into the electrolyte, whereupon the capacitor becomes an effective short-circuit. Reforming is a process to redeposite the oxide, and is perfomed by connecting the capacitor to a DC power supply, with a voltage a bit higher than the working voltage of the cap, with a resistor in series to limit the current. The current flow should decrease fairly quickly -- if it's still drawing significant current after a few hours, then I guess you have to replace the cap. Of course if the capacitor is shorted, there can be 2 problems. One is that a dead short on the output of the transformer/rectifier stage may well damage those components, or at least blow fuses. Also, the capacitor will pass enough current to get hot, and the electrolyte may even boil. At which point the darn thing will explode. Most caps have safety vents just in case this happens, but if not you don't want to be anywhere near it! Even worse, the flying bits of capacitor, or the jet of electrolyte, may damage other bits of the PDP8 However, my experience suggests that shorted electrolytics in computer PSUs are _very_ rare. I've only ever seen one, that was in a Canon CX laser printer. All my PDPs, etc, are running on the original caps still, and I've not reformed them. It's worth testing them by connecting them us as though you were going to reform them (see above) and checking the steady current flow. If there is such a current, you need to reform or replace them. -tony From lingenjj at earthlink.net Sun Aug 17 11:49:01 2003 From: lingenjj at earthlink.net (Jacque Lingenfelter) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: lotus 1-2-3 for dos Release 3.1 Message-ID: <410-22003801716401390@earthlink.net> About to pitch documentation for Lotus 1-2-3 for DOS, Release 3.1+.  Anybody want it?  lingenjj@earthlink.net  From cisin at xenosoft.com Sun Aug 17 11:56:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Casio IF-800? In-Reply-To: <20030817040807.67605.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030817040807.67605.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030817094633.T70220@newshell.lmi.net> On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, evan wrote: > Hey, does anyone know anything at all about a 1986 > small computer called the Casio IF-800? Is it similar to the Oki if-800 model 20? or the BMC if-800? From ernestls at attbi.com Sun Aug 17 12:25:00 2003 From: ernestls at attbi.com (Ernest) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Looking for Clay Walker Message-ID: Does anyone here know how I could contact Clay Walker. He is a former P.I.E. SIG President. Thanks. Ernest From coredump at gifford.co.uk Sun Aug 17 14:47:01 2003 From: coredump at gifford.co.uk (John Honniball) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: ICL DRS6000 stuff available, UK Message-ID: <3F3FDA24.4000304@gifford.co.uk> I've just rediscovered a bunch of ICL DRS6000 boards, cables, disks and tapes that I'd like to pass on to anyone who could use 'em. The boards are (I believe) a complete set, and the disks are a set of six differential-SCSI drives from the same machine. There are also a few quarter-inch tape cartridges but no tape drive. Free to collector, north Bristol (M4/M5 junction), UK. -- John Honniball coredump@gifford.co.uk From paulrsm at buckeye-express.com Sun Aug 17 15:56:00 2003 From: paulrsm at buckeye-express.com (Paul R. Santa-Maria) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: HP Scanjet 3p maintenance References: <20030817170001.7241.57785.Mailman@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3F3FEAC0.F6203C6D@buckeye-express.com> My HP ScanJet 3p has started to squeal when the mechanism moves. I assume it needs to be lubricated. Does anyone have a hardware manual for the 3p or know how to disassemble it and what parts to grease? -- Paul Monroe, Michigan USA From kdavis at ndx.net Sun Aug 17 22:44:00 2003 From: kdavis at ndx.net (Kirk B. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: SOL Docs available Message-ID: <4246.216.103.73.141.1061178507.squirrel@bender.ndx.net> I have a line on a load of SOL docs available for the price of shipping from LA. Speak up and they are yours. Preference given to people that have archived docs and made available to others - eg, scanned and put online. (Not that I would ever be responsible enough to do this myself :-) Kirk From frustum at pacbell.net Sun Aug 17 23:02:00 2003 From: frustum at pacbell.net (Jim Battle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: SOL Docs available In-Reply-To: <4246.216.103.73.141.1061178507.squirrel@bender.ndx.net> References: <4246.216.103.73.141.1061178507.squirrel@bender.ndx.net> Message-ID: <3F404E02.2070700@pacbell.net> Kirk B. Davis wrote: > I have a line on a load of SOL docs available for the price of > shipping from LA. Speak up and they are yours. Preference given to people > that have archived docs and made available to others - eg, scanned and > put online. (Not that I would ever be responsible enough to do this > myself :-) > > Kirk > Kirk -- what exactly does he have? I might be interested -- btw, I run the Sol archive at http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/sol.html From kdavis at ndx.net Sun Aug 17 23:22:00 2003 From: kdavis at ndx.net (Kirk B. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: SOL Docs gone.. Message-ID: <4346.216.103.73.141.1061180746.squirrel@bender.ndx.net> Sellam was the fastest with the reply key. From Hans.Franke at mch20.sbs.de Mon Aug 18 06:14:01 2003 From: Hans.Franke at mch20.sbs.de (Hans Franke) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Netscape and Vintage Computer Marketplace Grand Opening! In-Reply-To: References: <20030815202846.93951.qmail@web80401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F40CF5F.26467.CD650E@localhost> > > in Netscape 4.8 this paints most of a screen then ends > > with the screen totally blank. Is this an MSIE only > > site? > Another user reported this yesterday and we thought we had resolved it > immediately. When did you see this error, or perhaps more importantly, are > you still seeing it *now*? Well, at least now, 4.79 works - mostly. Still, not exactly a vintage friendly site (also bloated and includeing HTML errors). But maybe my expectations where to high. Gruss H. -- VCF Europa 5.0 am 01./02. Mai 2004 in Muenchen http://www.vcfe.org/ From gkicomputers at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 08:41:00 2003 From: gkicomputers at yahoo.com (steve) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: SOL Docs gone.. In-Reply-To: <4346.216.103.73.141.1061180746.squirrel@bender.ndx.net> Message-ID: <20030818133337.90465.qmail@web12407.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Kirk B. Davis" wrote: > Sellam was the fastest with the reply key. He scans stuff and puts its online? From patrick at evocative.com Mon Aug 18 11:20:00 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Netscape and Vintage Computer Marketplace Grand Opening! In-Reply-To: <3F40CF5F.26467.CD650E@localhost> Message-ID: Hans, I'm happy to fix any errors that get in the way of your using a vintage browser. It would help if you could tell me (by URL) which pages are causing you sorgen. Patrick > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On > Behalf Of Hans Franke > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:07 AM > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: Netscape and Vintage Computer Marketplace Grand Opening! > > > > > in Netscape 4.8 this paints most of a screen then ends > > > with the screen totally blank. Is this an MSIE only > > > site? > > > Another user reported this yesterday and we thought we had resolved it > > immediately. When did you see this error, or perhaps more > importantly, are > > you still seeing it *now*? > > Well, at least now, 4.79 works - mostly. > Still, not exactly a vintage friendly site > (also bloated and includeing HTML errors). > > But maybe my expectations where to high. > > Gruss > H. > -- > VCF Europa 5.0 am 01./02. Mai 2004 in Muenchen > http://www.vcfe.org/ From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 18 14:16:01 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Alpha-Micro 1000 In-Reply-To: <22c3cd36051a07dc287e7aa78d39c16b16fd25e0@bodekandrhodes.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Larry Laurel wrote: > It will boot from the video-in if you have a bootable tape. I've got a bootable tape... -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 18 14:20:01 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: donner analog computer In-Reply-To: <005501c3647c$cddad9a0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, ed sharpe wrote: > bad camera, bad light, but has an excellent digital audio recorder.... it is > a little Olympus 70 dollar wonder from fry's electronics... good enough > for a head shot of someone if... and I repeat if the light is correct! > and of course good to interview them! Like I said...time for a new digital camera ;) Every musuem should have a good one. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 18 14:22:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:20 2005 Subject: Netscape and Vintage Computer Marketplace Grand Opening! In-Reply-To: <3F40CF5F.26467.CD650E@localhost> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Hans Franke wrote: > Well, at least now, 4.79 works - mostly. > Still, not exactly a vintage friendly site > (also bloated and includeing HTML errors). We can't cater to everyone C64 user running Contiki ;) > But maybe my expectations where to high. You're so hard to please, Hans! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Aug 18 14:40:00 2003 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: XE1541 cable source... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Could any of you tell me where I could find a US based vendor of XE1541 cables? I'd like to get one but I don't want to order across the pond for one. For those that have never heard of it before, the XE1541 cable allows you connect a PC to a Commodore 64 or its peripherals. tnx. g. From bpope at wordstock.com Mon Aug 18 15:06:00 2003 From: bpope at wordstock.com (Bryan Pope) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: XE1541 cable source... In-Reply-To: from "Gene Buckle" at Aug 18, 03 12:42:55 pm Message-ID: <200308181948.PAA25815@wordstock.com> And thusly Gene Buckle spake: > > Could any of you tell me where I could find a US based vendor of XE1541 > cables? I'd like to get one but I don't want to order across the pond for > one. Check out Commodore Bits at http://www.mergetel.com/~blitz/Secure/shop.html They are located in Canada. Cheers, Bryan Pope From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Aug 18 15:21:01 2003 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: XE1541 cable source... In-Reply-To: <200308181948.PAA25815@wordstock.com> Message-ID: Thanks Bryan, I _just_ found them not 10 minutes ago. I've got my cabled ordered. Thanks! :) g. On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Bryan Pope wrote: > And thusly Gene Buckle spake: > > > > Could any of you tell me where I could find a US based vendor of XE1541 > > cables? I'd like to get one but I don't want to order across the pond for > > one. > > Check out Commodore Bits at http://www.mergetel.com/~blitz/Secure/shop.html > They are located in Canada. > > > Cheers, > > Bryan Pope From teoz at neo.rr.com Mon Aug 18 15:39:00 2003 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (TeoZ) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: XE1541 cable source... References: Message-ID: <001401c365c7$69a4a140$347ca418@neo.rr.com> How much do they run these days? I purchased mine from ebay a year or 2 ago, works great. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Buckle" To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: Re: XE1541 cable source... > Thanks Bryan, I _just_ found them not 10 minutes ago. I've got my cabled > ordered. Thanks! :) > > g. > > > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Bryan Pope wrote: > > > And thusly Gene Buckle spake: > > > > > > Could any of you tell me where I could find a US based vendor of XE1541 > > > cables? I'd like to get one but I don't want to order across the pond for > > > one. > > > > Check out Commodore Bits at http://www.mergetel.com/~blitz/Secure/shop.html > > They are located in Canada. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bryan Pope From stevebrowning at comcast.net Mon Aug 18 16:01:00 2003 From: stevebrowning at comcast.net (Steve Browning) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Old Computer Magazines Message-ID: <3F413CD7.5CDA0B8D@comcast.net> I am moving and have decided not to carry my old computer magazines with me. I have tried donating them to various libraries in the area, but none are interested. I hate the idea of simply trashing them, but that may be what happens. If anyone in this group is interested in the following magazines, and is willing to pay shipping, please contact me at the email address below: The C Users Journal, May 1982 - Jan 2001 Dr. Dobb's Journal, Jan 1976 - Apr 2001 Byte, Nov 1976 - Sep 1991 Steve -- Stephen Browning stevebrowning@comcast.net From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Aug 18 16:03:00 2003 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: XE1541 cable source... In-Reply-To: <001401c365c7$69a4a140$347ca418@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: I think it's $13 all by itself, but I grabbed 5 CDs from him as well. g. On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, TeoZ wrote: > How much do they run these days? I purchased mine from ebay a year or 2 ago, > works great. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Buckle" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: XE1541 cable source... > > > > Thanks Bryan, I _just_ found them not 10 minutes ago. I've got my cabled > > ordered. Thanks! :) > > > > g. > > > > > > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Bryan Pope wrote: > > > > > And thusly Gene Buckle spake: > > > > > > > > Could any of you tell me where I could find a US based vendor of > XE1541 > > > > cables? I'd like to get one but I don't want to order across the pond > for > > > > one. > > > > > > Check out Commodore Bits at > http://www.mergetel.com/~blitz/Secure/shop.html > > > They are located in Canada. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Bryan Pope From jpl15 at panix.com Mon Aug 18 16:11:00 2003 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Old Computer Magazines In-Reply-To: <3F413CD7.5CDA0B8D@comcast.net> References: <3F413CD7.5CDA0B8D@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Steve Browning wrote: [snipppage] > following magazines, and is willing to pay shipping, please contact me ^^^^^^^^ Well, if you're in Northern Nevada, I might be interested. If you're writing from Lesotho, or Sri Lanka - might not be all that good of a deal. Cheerz John From KKLUSEND at fatsinc.com Mon Aug 18 16:12:32 2003 From: KKLUSEND at fatsinc.com (Kelvin Klusendorf) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Old Computer Magazines Message-ID: Steve, Where would they be shipped from? Kelvin >>> stevebrowning@comcast.net Monday, August 18, 2003 4:53:43 PM >>> I am moving and have decided not to carry my old computer magazines with me. I have tried donating them to various libraries in the area, but none are interested. I hate the idea of simply trashing them, but that may be what happens. If anyone in this group is interested in the following magazines, and is willing to pay shipping, please contact me at the email address below: The C Users Journal, May 1982 - Jan 2001 Dr. Dobb's Journal, Jan 1976 - Apr 2001 Byte, Nov 1976 - Sep 1991 Steve -- Stephen Browning stevebrowning@comcast.net From aek at spies.com Mon Aug 18 18:25:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Old Computer Magazines Message-ID: <200308182321.h7INL7Po025888@spies.com> If anyone in this group is interested in the following magazines, and is willing to pay shipping -- FWIW, you CANNOT ship these USPS media mail, since that rate cannot be used for any publication that contains advertizing. From patrick at evocative.com Mon Aug 18 19:03:01 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Article Reference: Linux -- The New CP/M Message-ID: This article caught my eye; I'm sure this will stir many a hornet's nest... http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/189/ From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Mon Aug 18 19:16:00 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Old Computer Magazines Message-ID: <200308190007.RAA23120@clulw009.amd.com> >From: "Al Kossow" > >If anyone in this group is interested in the >following magazines, and is willing to pay shipping > >-- > >FWIW, you CANNOT ship these USPS media mail, since that >rate cannot be used for any publication that contains >advertizing. > Hi Shipping from where??? Dwight From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 18 19:33:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Old Computer Magazines In-Reply-To: <200308182321.h7INL7Po025888@spies.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Al Kossow wrote: > FWIW, you CANNOT ship these USPS media mail, since that > rate cannot be used for any publication that contains > advertizing. I've done it plenty of times with old magazines, and I don't have any qualms with it because the ads are no longer current or even relevant. Anyone who's ever shipped me old magazines has done it using Media Mail and they've never had problems. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 18 19:42:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Article Reference: Linux -- The New CP/M In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Patrick Rigney wrote: > This article caught my eye; I'm sure this will stir many a hornet's nest... > > http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/189/ He's right on some of his points. The one thing that Linux has going for it in this case IS the fact that IBM is fully behind it. All of the responses, seemingly from Linux zealots, are pretty useless. I'll be the first to admit I can be a Linux zealot but I'm also a realist. Those people have blinders on. Anyway, who cares what gets ported to Linux? Doesn't more software and more development environments mean more choices and thus more users? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From classiccmp at vintage-computer.com Mon Aug 18 19:54:00 2003 From: classiccmp at vintage-computer.com (Erik S. Klein) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Old Computer Magazines In-Reply-To: <200308182321.h7INL7Po025888@spies.com> Message-ID: <000501c37347$1c733390$947ba8c0@p933> I'm not sure how the post office interprets "contains advertising" because even books, CDs and other "media" items come with advertising inserts nowadays. If you don't think you can get by with media mail then use "Bound Printed Matter" which doesn't have any advertising restrictions and which is also cheaper then parcel post but is a bit more expensive then media mail (depending on what zone you're sending to). Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum The Vintage Computer Forum -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:21 PM To: classiccmp@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Old Computer Magazines If anyone in this group is interested in the following magazines, and is willing to pay shipping -- FWIW, you CANNOT ship these USPS media mail, since that rate cannot be used for any publication that contains advertizing. From brian at quarterbyte.com Mon Aug 18 20:53:00 2003 From: brian at quarterbyte.com (Brian Knittel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Documation Punched Card Reader / USB Interface Message-ID: <3F411F18.30479.5E3C8716@localhost> Hi again, Sorry to pester y'all again on this, but I noticed in our log file that there was some confusion about the URL to pick up the code, schematics and documentation for the USB Documation punched card reader interface: the period at the end was part of the sentence, not part of the URL. Sorry about that. So, to the person at Apple and the person at Boeing -- sorry! Here is the URL sans punctuation: http://www.quarterbyte.com/cardread.zip Brian From ian_primus at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 21:22:00 2003 From: ian_primus at yahoo.com (Ian Primus) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Basement sale, take two Message-ID: First of all, apologies to those who wanted something the first time around, I kinda dropped off the face of the 'net there for a while. This was my own dumb fault. The first time I tried the basement sale, I did it at a very bad time for me, in that I couldn't fulfill requests and get things out to people. That and some technical problems (read: forgot to make new backups of email before wiping hard drive) that caused me to lose a lot of my email didn't help matters. I finally have some time to write up a list, as well as fulfill requests. So, once again, apologies all around, and I _will_ keep things straight this time around. NOTE: All prices are just a suggestion, feel free to make an offer. Buyer to pay actual shipping charges from ZIP 12309 DEC VT220 Terminals - I have a lot of these, with green, white and amber picture tubes. They are in good working order, but were used in a school for a while and are somewhat yellowed, and have had most of the old markings cleaned off. Some have light screen burn. I have cleaned and tested them, and they work well. Includes keyboard. - $15 DEC LK-201 Keyboards - These were used in a school for a time, and have had the old markings cleaned off. All keys are present and accounted for, and they have been cleaned and tested. - $5 Macintosh ADB keyboards - I have lots of these and lots of different models, if you want a specific model, just ask; I probably have it. I'll also include a cable - $3 Macintosh ADB mice - $1 Macintosh ADB cables - 50 cents Apple IIgs keyboards - $3 Apple Disk II disk drives - $5 Apple UniDisk 5.25 drives, both beige and platinum colored - $3 Apple 800k external 3 1/2" floppy drives - $5 Apple IIe computers, both regular and extended models - $6 Apple IIgs computers, both ROM 1 and ROM 3 models. Includes keyboard and mouse - $8 Macintosh Plus computer, 4mb RAM, with keyboard and mouse - $10 Macintosh SE computer, 4mb RAM, 40 meg hard drive, with keyboard and mouse - $10 Macintosh LC II and III computers, no keyboard or mouse - $3 Apple RGB Color monitor for Apple IIgs computers - $10 Apple monochrome green composite monitor for Apple II computers (the one with the tilt screen) - $6 Computer power cords - 25 cents 40 megabyte SCSI hard drives - $2 80 megabyte SCSI hard drives - $3 Other stuff: Make offer. PC/XT Parts - I have a couple really sad looking XT's that are going out, let me know if you need parts, or if you want the whole thing, rusted case and all. Macintosh computer parts - I have drives and boards for many old Macintosh computers, if you are looking for something, let me know and I'll see if I have it. PC Clone parts - I have disk drives, power supplies, motherboards, ISA cards, etc. from various PC clones from 8088's up to Pentium 1's. I also have some a pile of no-name clones from 386's to Pentium 1's that I am parting out. Let me know if you are looking for something. Apple IIe and IIgs parts. I have parts, boards and peripherals for Apple II computers. Let me know what you are looking for. Monitors - I have a surplus of old computer monitors, mostly old monochrome composite monitors, Macintosh monitors, and old VGA monitors. Printers - Dot matrix printers for Commodore 64, dot-matrix printers for PC parallel ports, HP Deskjet and Deskwriter printers, and Apple StyleWriter printers. I also have an old Selectric typewriter (IIRC a Selectric II). The cable on the type ball assembly appears to be broken or loose, as it doesn't move predictably, or always in the right direction. I don't know if any of the parts are useful to anyone for older IBM printing terminals. Everything that needs a power cord comes with one. In fact, even if it doesn't need one it'll probably come with one. I have like three boxes of them. Ian Primus ian_primus@yahoo.com From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 18 22:08:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Documation Punched Card Reader / USB Interface In-Reply-To: <3F411F18.30479.5E3C8716@localhost> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Brian Knittel wrote: > Sorry to pester y'all again on this, but I noticed > in our log file that there was some confusion about > the URL to pick up the code, schematics and documentation > for the USB Documation punched card reader interface: > the period at the end was part of the sentence, not part > of the URL. Sorry about that. So, to the person at > Apple and the person at Boeing -- sorry! Here > is the URL sans punctuation: > > http://www.quarterbyte.com/cardread.zip I always post my URLs on their own line because of this very issue. Some netiquette guide a few years back from Wired or something suggested putting URLs inline, I think even suggesting that putting periods at the end if they complete a sentence is acceptable. What a dumb suggestion. The only time a URL should be inline is if it's delimited with something or is a properly denoted hyperlink (i.e. is a different color than surrounding text or underlined). -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From esharpe at uswest.net Mon Aug 18 22:17:00 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: donner analog computer References: Message-ID: <002b01c365ff$3e3c4930$6ebe0343@SONYDIGITALED> care to give us one until we get our good one repaired? ed!~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: Re: donner analog computer > On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, ed sharpe wrote: > > > bad camera, bad light, but has an excellent digital audio recorder.... it is > > a little Olympus 70 dollar wonder from fry's electronics... good enough > > for a head shot of someone if... and I repeat if the light is correct! > > and of course good to interview them! > > Like I said...time for a new digital camera ;) > > Every musuem should have a good one. > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From kdavis at ndx.net Mon Aug 18 23:36:00 2003 From: kdavis at ndx.net (Kirk Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: SOL Docs Message-ID: <989C3044-D1FD-11D7-A018-000393577240@ndx.net> I'm not sure what's included in the docs. They are going to be here in a few weeks. I will make a quick pass before I pass them on to Sellam. If there is anything good that is not on Jim's site, I will scan and pass it on to Jim. (I just got a multisheet standalone scanner that scans to PDF so it should not be too much of a hassle). Kirk > Jim Battle Wrote > Kirk -- >what exactly does he have? >I might be interested -- btw, I run the Sol archive at >http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/sol.html From ptremewe at bigpond.net.au Tue Aug 19 00:12:00 2003 From: ptremewe at bigpond.net.au (peter tremewen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Basement sale, take two References: Message-ID: <037b01c3660f$535492e0$21378490@vic.bigpond.net.au> Why are all the truely interesting auctions in the states??? ;-) > First of all, apologies to those who wanted something the first time > around, I kinda dropped off the face of the 'net there for a while. > This was my own dumb fault. The first time I tried the basement sale, I > did it at a very bad time for me, in that I couldn't fulfill requests > and get things out to people. That and some technical problems (read: > forgot to make new backups of email before wiping hard drive) that > caused me to lose a lot of my email didn't help matters. I finally have > some time to write up a list, as well as fulfill requests. So, once > again, apologies all around, and I _will_ keep things straight this > time around. From fmc at reanimators.org Tue Aug 19 00:33:00 2003 From: fmc at reanimators.org (Frank McConnell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Old Computer Magazines In-Reply-To: Vintage Computer Festival's message of "Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:17:49 -0700 (PDT)" References: Message-ID: <200308190518.h7J5IjGw046011@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Al Kossow wrote: > > FWIW, you CANNOT ship these USPS media mail, since that > > rate cannot be used for any publication that contains > > advertizing. > > I've done it plenty of times with old magazines, and I don't have any > qualms with it because the ads are no longer current or even relevant. I think it's a goofy requirement too, but frankly it depends on your postal inspector(s). Maybe you've seen signs at the Post Office informing you that any USPS employee can open a package sent Media Mail and inspect the contents? I have, in Mountain View, California (deepest darkest Sillycon Valley). I don't know what happens if they open it up and find vintage computer magazines loaded with advertising, but "Media Mail can not contain advertising except for incidental announcements of books" (from ) and I'm not sure how the bureaucracy will interpret the 25-year-old advertisements in 25-year-old magazines, but it probably depends on how irritable its local rep is feeling that day. I expect that if they go after anyone it will be the shipper, as he's the paying customer. I'm pretty sure I've read posts over on rec.collecting.books by booksellers angsting over this. Maybe Al's run into that too. > Anyone who's ever shipped me old magazines has done it using Media Mail > and they've never had problems. The way you're probably supposed to do this (according to the bureaucracy) is Bound Printed Matter. But that has problems which recommend against it. First, parcel weight is limited to 15 pounds. Second, "Bound Printed Matter with no ancillary service endorsement that is undeliverable-as-addressed is disposed of by USPS." (from ). -Frank McConnell From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 19 00:55:01 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: SOL Docs In-Reply-To: <989C3044-D1FD-11D7-A018-000393577240@ndx.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Kirk Davis wrote: > I'm not sure what's included in the docs. They are going > to be here in a few weeks. I will make a quick pass before > I pass them on to Sellam. If there is anything good that is > not on Jim's site, I will scan and pass it on to Jim. (I just > got a multisheet standalone scanner that scans to PDF so > it should not be too much of a hassle). I'll make sure anyone who wants copies/scans gets their hands on them. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From ceby2 at csc.com Tue Aug 19 06:32:00 2003 From: ceby2 at csc.com (Colin Eby) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: IBM 5360 FREE to good hom Message-ID: Okay -- One more time.... Can I persuade any of you nice folks on this list to come cart off my IBM? Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From d_cymbal at hotmail.com Tue Aug 19 07:37:00 2003 From: d_cymbal at hotmail.com (Damien Cymbal) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Old Computer Magazines References: <3F413CD7.5CDA0B8D@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Steve, Where would you be shipping from? dc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Browning" To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: Old Computer Magazines > I am moving and have decided not to carry my old computer magazines with > me. I have tried donating them to various libraries in the area, but > none are interested. I hate the idea of simply trashing them, but that > may be what happens. If anyone in this group is interested in the > following magazines, and is willing to pay shipping, please contact me > at the email address below: > > The C Users Journal, May 1982 - Jan 2001 > Dr. Dobb's Journal, Jan 1976 - Apr 2001 > Byte, Nov 1976 - Sep 1991 > > Steve > -- > Stephen Browning > stevebrowning@comcast.net From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 19 11:07:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: IBM 5360 FREE to good hom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, Colin Eby wrote: > One more time.... Can I persuade any of you nice folks on this list to come > cart off my IBM? List it on the Vintage Computer Marketplace as fixed sale priced item at $0.00. You'll get more exposure for giving it away. We'll eventually have an actual "Freebie" listing type. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From artools at earthlink.net Tue Aug 19 14:48:00 2003 From: artools at earthlink.net (Steve) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: GENIAC - 2 Wheeled replica Message-ID: <3F3EF8F6.666CE948@earthlink.net> You might find this ebay item interesting. item number 3544460236 -- Steve From WayneWTA at aol.com Tue Aug 19 14:50:49 2003 From: WayneWTA at aol.com (WayneWTA@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Pick Zebra books Message-ID: Dear Chris, Do you still have your Pick Zebra books or any Microdata Reality or Heath H8/H89/HDOS stuff. I might be interested. Thanks, Wayne Reses From fritz_aus_dem_hause_chwolka at t-online.de Tue Aug 19 14:52:14 2003 From: fritz_aus_dem_hause_chwolka at t-online.de (Fritz Chwolka) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: list hardware status In-Reply-To: <000c01c36456$7e395f00$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Message-ID: <19oJdY-21AYGO0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:28:33 -0500, Jay West wrote: >Greetings! > >temporary system down at our datacenter today. I will install all the newest >versions of OS and all the software we use on this drive in the 20gb temp What kind of OS will be used ? > >I will let the list know when I get ready to move the new OS drive into >place. There will definitely be a short downtime, followed by (likely) a few >days or so of things going squirrely as I find the things I missed :) > >Regards, > >Jay West Thanks for your work for us.. Greetings from Fritz Chwolka > www.alterechner.de < From mranalog at comcast.net Tue Aug 19 14:53:40 2003 From: mranalog at comcast.net (Doug Coward) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: donner analog computer Message-ID: <004901c36551$b574e880$f051e50c@attbi.com> Ed sharpe wrote: > Please see the Donner analog computer at: > http://www.smecc.org/analog_computers.htm > we would like to get enough stuff and some docs to get it operational. I have the "Instruction Manual" that includes operation, servicing, part lists, and schematics. Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >Ed, what model number is this? The top three panels make up a rack mounted model 3500. I can't see enough detail of the bottom two panels to tell for sure, probably some kind of accessories. Ed sharpe wrote: >it says donner 3500 as I remember. so it is earlier than a >sysdon donner, although I remember the instruction manual >( lost probably 20 years ago during a computer exchange inc. >warehouse clean out party) said sysdon donner.... The manuals says manufactured by Donner Scientific Company a division of Systron-Donner Corporation. >what would you folks date it at? The manual is dated January 1960 >I remember there was also a bag of little rectangular boxes with >jack tips on them that help components also. ( again missing) I would bet good money that the banana jacks on the patch panel are exactly 3/4" apart. In that case you can use a double banana plug as a component holder. >in the library here we do have a copy of the korn and korn >book on analog computers. Just about a month ago I got an email from Granino Korn saying how much he like my little museum. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog ========================================= From TRASH1 at splab.cas.neu.edu Tue Aug 19 14:55:09 2003 From: TRASH1 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH1@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: list hardware status Message-ID: <030817080237.7a6c@splab.cas.neu.edu> Yes, it's gotta be a labor of love, 'cause there is just no way to get back all the effort it takes to keep this list running. Thanks! Joe Heck From JustADAPT at aol.com Tue Aug 19 14:56:35 2003 From: JustADAPT at aol.com (JustADAPT@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Dos 3.0 Message-ID: Hello, noticed that you are also looking for dos 3.0. Asking if you had found it? If so would you let me know. I to am doing some restoration. Thanks [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Clouds .jpg] From banztech at softhome.net Tue Aug 19 14:58:01 2003 From: banztech at softhome.net (banztech@softhome.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: slt/286 Message-ID: <3F402E67.19358621@softhome.net> Hello,I need user info for a compaq slt/286 I:E what modem type/brand/cable does slt286 use and how to get into bios.Any help would be greatly appreciated.Thanks From iamenergy at hotmail.com Tue Aug 19 14:59:27 2003 From: iamenergy at hotmail.com (Thomas Kelly) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: NEC Multisync 5D Message-ID: I too have a NEC Multisync 5D (JC-2002VMA-1) monitor. I have connected the video cable with HD-15 (3 rows of pins) connector hooked to the back of the monitor with the other end to VGA card on my IBM computer. The screen glows when the contrast and brightness is set to max setting but there is no image. Is there any special tricks to get it to work? I do not have the manual. What do the butons in front do? Can you ofer me any advice geting this to work. Thanks for any info you can provide, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEC Multisync 5d - being skipped on Friday Tim Myers cctech@classiccmp.org Wed Mar 26 06:20:43 2003 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If any of you can get to Ellesmere Port, UK, before Friday, you can collect a NEC Multisync 5D. It's getting skipped on Friday - I cannot arrange shipping, so please don't ask. Please contact me off list, as I'm not monitoring the list actively for various political reasons... Tim. I found an online bank that will give you a $25.00 bonus when you open a savings account with them. Refer someone, if they open an account, they get $25.00 and you get $10.00. (NOT A CHAIN LETTER OR GET RICH SCHEME) Reply and I'll send you the link to bank's website. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rachael at rachael.dyndns.org Tue Aug 19 15:00:55 2003 From: rachael at rachael.dyndns.org (Jacob Dahl Pind) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: RC 703 piccolo boot media Message-ID: <382.360T2300T7534052rachael@rachael.dyndns.org> Hello have just collect another RC piccolo 703 that actual works this time. But it lacks those cpm boot disks, does anyone have those in his/hers collection ? Or does anyone know if disk22 can write a format those machines understand ? regards Jacob Dahl Pind -- CBM, Amiga,Vintage hardware collector Email: rachael@rachael.dyndns.org url: http://rachael.dyndns.org From finotti.f at katamail.com Tue Aug 19 15:02:21 2003 From: finotti.f at katamail.com (Fabio Finotti) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Floppy interface Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030818182727.00a75488@pop.katamail.com> I have read on mailing list the your message that speaks about floppy disk and controller : >Read/Write >signals, >normally using a 26LS31 driver and 26LS32 receiver. >But in a sense they're analogue in _time_. In write mode, the >drive >writes a flux transition to the disk for every pulse on the >write data >line. In read mode, the drive sends a pulse on the read data >line for >every flux transition on the disk. There are some restrictions >on >allowable frequencies of transisitions, of course. etc. etc. I am looking for documentation on the floppy disk interface.I would like to use a floppy disk in order to save data but I don't know how format them. Can you help me? ? Fabio From sml49 at comcast.net Tue Aug 19 15:06:57 2003 From: sml49 at comcast.net (Seth Lewin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: HP ScanJet 3P maintenance Message-ID: Paul ­ If this scanner is like most there are relatively few moving parts ­ a scanner head, two rails, a stepper motor and a belt/geartrain. I¹d try small dabs of grease on the rails on which the head slides and see if that does it. A tiny bit more on the gear shafts might be in order. My guess is the rails are dry and the head is squealing as it moves along. Seth > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:51:12 -0400 > From: "Paul R. Santa-Maria" > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: HP Scanjet 3p maintenance > Reply-To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > > My HP ScanJet 3p has started to squeal when the mechanism moves. > I assume it needs to be lubricated. Does anyone have a hardware > manual for the 3p or know how to disassemble it and what parts > to grease? > > -- > Paul > Monroe, Michigan USA From TRASH1 at splab.cas.neu.edu Tue Aug 19 15:09:31 2003 From: TRASH1 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH1@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Data Systems Design DSD-880 8" floppy and Hard Drive Message-ID: <030818155737.7e55@splab.cas.neu.edu> Pat, I can explain pretty precisely how to test the dsd880-8, but I think we should do it off line. Thanks, Joe Heck username is trash3, address is splab.cas.neu.edu From jukka at rihmasto.com Tue Aug 19 15:11:21 2003 From: jukka at rihmasto.com (Jukka Andersson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: HP 2622A Message-ID: <003701c365dd$e7710f30$e3981cd5@HYEENA> Hi. I am new to list... joined because got 2 nice computers. CBM 8032 and HP 2622A... Sold CBM already but would like to know more about this HP terminal. What it can be used for and how to get keyboard for it. .jukka andersson finland. From jwstephens_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 15:12:58 2003 From: jwstephens_2000 at yahoo.com (jim stephens) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Article Reference: Linux -- The New CP/M Message-ID: <20030819011210.60962.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Microsoft wins because of the thing he mentioned about development support. They support developers. Developers love Linux and support it, but it is a pain to develop for Linux compared to microsoft. The business case he makes about absorbing and running microsoft applications is probably right too, but I doubt that Microsoft will allow it to happen. There are too many "no reverse engineer" minefields in the EULA now to allow it to happen anyway. As he said, rolling out thousands of units during the implementation of a massive application needs really solid support and tools. I don't think that the fact that everyone can roll their own development is necessarily a plus for Linux. Having the mass that an IBM or Microsoft lends with their market position to making it possible to have a single product from top to bottom to use is way cheaper than the current Linux way. You have Redhat and SUSE, but they still have the problem that if you make a commercial Linux App you have to have a RH7.1 RH7.2 RH8 and RH9 all with different nuances (and not minor ones) to support the market, where with Microsoft you usually need only one, or can buy a package to handle the differences from someone. From GoldBug5 at aol.com Tue Aug 19 15:14:24 2003 From: GoldBug5 at aol.com (GoldBug5@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: question regarding your western union clock Message-ID: <191.1dfc9cfa.2c72e864@aol.com> i have a freind who got himself a self winding clock co of new york ceiling mount clock which fits the description you are giviing in your article. the clock is about 24" square and is a ceiling mount on a wood frame painted silver , same red light on the face. i cannot find pictures of these things anywhere can you help ? thanks Jim Rapheld San jose calif From wishnack at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 15:15:50 2003 From: wishnack at yahoo.com (Marshall and Stevie Wishnack) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: Enermax EG150S-V Message-ID: <20030819025008.80307.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> Bryan - Did you ever find an Enermax EG150S-V or a useable substitute? I desperately need two of them. Mrshall From david at dakota.dk Tue Aug 19 15:17:16 2003 From: david at dakota.dk (David Troutman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: VAX 4000 Message-ID: <003601c36635$ed69a750$271210ac@dakotadavid> Hello Terry, I have a customer who wants 25-30 VAX 4000 machines. I don't normally deal in this kind of stuff, we are an electronics company, but we are building some gear for these people and they asked me. The VAX machines are to be used for sorting mail. This is a system that has been in operation for 15 years, but they want to replace their present VAX 3800's with VAX 4000's. Would you be interested in helping on this project, we would pay for your time, of course? regards, David Troutman Daxten Denmark +45) 8734 5750 direct From david.yirrell at cirris.co.uk Tue Aug 19 15:18:42 2003 From: david.yirrell at cirris.co.uk (David Yirrell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <000801c3663c$38e7eba0$3401a8c0@1rgdk0j> Did you get any adapters? David From mranalog at comcast.net Tue Aug 19 15:21:01 2003 From: mranalog at comcast.net (Doug Coward) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: donner analog computer Message-ID: <00b001c36682$2a6eec40$f051e50c@attbi.com> I sent this reply a couple of days ago but it never appeared in the digest so I can only assume that it went into the univeral bit bucket. Here it is again. ======== Resending ================== Ed sharpe wrote: > Please see the Donner analog computer at: > http://www.smecc.org/analog_computers.htm > we would like to get enough stuff and some docs to get it operational. I have the "Instruction Manual" that includes operation, servicing, part lists, and schematics. Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >Ed, what model number is this? The top three panels make up a rack mounted model 3500. I can't see enough detail of the bottom two panels to tell for sure, probably some kind of accessories. Ed sharpe wrote: >it says donner 3500 as I remember. so it is earlier than a >sysdon donner, although I remember the instruction manual >( lost probably 20 years ago during a computer exchange inc. >warehouse clean out party) said sysdon donner.... The manuals says manufactured by Donner Scientific Company a division of Systron-Donner Corporation. >what would you folks date it at? The manual is dated January 1960 >I remember there was also a bag of little rectangular boxes with >jack tips on them that help components also. ( again missing) I would bet good money that the banana jacks on the patch panel are exactly 3/4" apart. In that case you can use a double banana plug as a component holder. >in the library here we do have a copy of the korn and korn >book on analog computers. Just about a month ago I got an email from Granino Korn saying how much he like my little museum. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog ========================================= From sieler at allegro.com Tue Aug 19 15:22:35 2003 From: sieler at allegro.com (Stan Sieler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: HP 3000/64 microcode listing wanted In-Reply-To: <1055727873.14637.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3F421226.13765.5E289F@localhost> Hi, A potential client of ours is looking for a microcode listing for an HP 3000 Series 64. (We have one for the 64/68/70 from 1986, but he's looking for an older one.) If anyone has one, I'd appreciate it if you'd email me offline at: sieler@allegro.com thanks, Stan -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html From jwest at kwcorp.com Tue Aug 19 15:24:04 2003 From: jwest at kwcorp.com (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: VAX for sale Message-ID: <013101c36687$f7ae01a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> It is a VAX - Digital R400X with a unit that holds a tape unit, harddrives and more $100 or make offer Would have to pick up at Walnut Creek, CA office Would appreciate referring us to someone who would be interested. Maria Ross Maria.Ross@synergen.com From jwest at classiccmp.org Tue Aug 19 15:37:02 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: list upgrades Message-ID: <01d201c36690$29aaf7a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Ok, I think I've finally figured out how to correctly migrate the lists and archives from the old machine to the new machine. Yuck! There will be some downtime. Not sure how long though. Might be two hours or so :\ Now the big problem is just finding the time to do it. My guess is the list will move quickly... the archives may take a bit of time, mainly because I want to go through and clean out some particular posts, and to integrate a few bits of the list that were missing. By the way... upon 2nd glance, sendmail wasn't really configured optimally on the machine. I will rectify that when I reload it all. Jay From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Wed Aug 20 01:41:01 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:21 2005 Subject: donner analog computer Message-ID: <200308192045.NAA23919@clulw009.amd.com> >From: "Doug Coward" > > I sent this reply a couple of days ago but it never >appeared in the digest so I can only assume that >it went into the univeral bit bucket. Here it is again. >======== Resending ================== >Ed sharpe wrote: >> Please see the Donner analog computer at: >> http://www.smecc.org/analog_computers.htm >> we would like to get enough stuff and some docs to get it operational. > > I have the "Instruction Manual" that includes operation, servicing, >part lists, and schematics. > >Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >>Ed, what model number is this? > >The top three panels make up a rack mounted model 3500. >I can't see enough detail of the bottom two panels to tell >for sure, probably some kind of accessories. > >Ed sharpe wrote: >>it says donner 3500 as I remember. so it is earlier than a >>sysdon donner, although I remember the instruction manual >>( lost probably 20 years ago during a computer exchange inc. >>warehouse clean out party) said sysdon donner.... > >The manuals says manufactured by Donner Scientific Company >a division of Systron-Donner Corporation. > >>what would you folks date it at? > >The manual is dated January 1960 > >>I remember there was also a bag of little rectangular boxes with >>jack tips on them that help components also. ( again missing) > >I would bet good money that the banana jacks on the patch >panel are exactly 3/4" apart. In that case you can use a double >banana plug as a component holder. Hi Ed I do have a number of the Donner resistor patches and a few of the capacitor patches. As Doug states, the resistor/cap patches can be made with standard dual banana plugs. The resistors usually start at about 10K and go up to 10M. Values of 1,2,5,10 are typical. You want these to be stackable. The capacitors are 0.1 and 1.0 uf. You want to use caps with low dielectric absorption and good temp stability. These are used for integrators that can run over several seconds. And, no, I don't want to part with my patches. Pomona makes what you need. Dwight > >>in the library here we do have a copy of the korn and korn >>book on analog computers. > >Just about a month ago I got an email from Granino Korn >saying how much he like my little museum. > --Doug >========================================= >Doug Coward >@ home in Poulsbo, WA > >Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center >http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog >========================================= From spedraja at ono.com Wed Aug 20 01:42:29 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: VAX 4000 References: <003601c36635$ed69a750$271210ac@dakotadavid> Message-ID: <006c01c36690$f5f984c0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> > The VAX machines are to be used for sorting mail. This is a system that has > been in operation for 15 years, but they want to replace their present VAX > 3800's with VAX 4000's. He, he, if they don't know what to do with the 3800's, send me a note, please ;-) Cheers Sergio From jwest at classiccmp.org Wed Aug 20 01:47:08 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: list hardware status References: <19oJdY-21AYGO0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: <014f01c3668b$1610e880$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Fritz wrote... >What kind of OS will be used ? FreeBSD v4.8-R Jay West From rdd at rddavis.org Wed Aug 20 01:47:30 2003 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Article Reference: Linux -- The New CP/M In-Reply-To: <20030819011210.60962.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030819011210.60962.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030819214643.GD302@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Quothe jim stephens, from writings of Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 06:12:10PM -0700: > Microsoft wins because of the thing he mentioned about > development support. They support developers. Wrong. It appears that the only way that Micro$oft wins anything is by cheating and bribing, which is why so many politicians in the U.S. appear to like Micro$oft. No amount of "development support" from Micro$oft can make up for having products that suck and crash; it's only because of their putrid products that they need to provide such support; it's called "marketing gimmickry." > Developers love Linux and support it, but it is a pain > to develop for Linux compared to microsoft. Firstly, Linux isn't the only viable UNIX-like, open-source, alternative to Micro$oft; take FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD, for example. Anyway, any programmer with a reasonable number of adequately functioning brain cells should need no support other than source code. Those who whine about having to create software for Linux or *BSD, and prefer Windoze because of "better support," aren't real programmers to begin with. I don't use the word "developers," because it's a word shared with the nature hating and land-destroying scum who also call themselves (land) "developers." > The business case he makes about absorbing and running > microsoft applications is probably right too, but I > doubt that Microsoft will allow it to happen. There > are > too many "no reverse engineer" minefields in the EULA > now to allow it to happen anyway. If one can't reverse engineer something and modify it as needed, what's the point in having it to begin with? > As he said, rolling out thousands of units during the > implementation of a massive application needs really > solid > support and tools. No, it needs programmers with enough adequately functioning brain cells, but I digress, that's something that biz'droids aren't usually capable of understanding. > I don't think that the fact that everyone can roll > their own development is necessarily a plus for Linux. Why not? Oh, you mean because companies like Micro$oft lose money because of that? -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From alberto at a2sistemi.it Wed Aug 20 01:47:36 2003 From: alberto at a2sistemi.it (Alberto Rubinelli - A2 Sistemi) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: HP 2622A In-Reply-To: <003701c365dd$e7710f30$e3981cd5@HYEENA> Message-ID: > I am new to list... joined because got 2 nice computers. > CBM 8032 and HP 2622A... Sold CBM already but would like to know > more about this HP terminal. What it can be used for and how to > get keyboard > for it. 2622A is a RS232 terminal, with a non standard serial connector. You can see the keyboard on my site : http://www.retrocomputing.net/index.html?/scheda/scheda.php?Language=ENG&Mod e=Display&Item=930&Page=Fotografie~MainFrame If you need more information, a simple search with google with key "hp2622A" give a lot of links. Alberto ------------------------------------------------------ Alberto Rubinelli Mail : alberto@a2sistemi.it A2 SISTEMI Web : www.a2sistemi.it Via Costantino Perazzi 22 Tel 0321 640149 28100 NOVARA (NO) - ITALY Fax 0321 391769 Il mio museo di vecchi computers/My old computers museum http://www.retrocomputing.net ICQ : 49872318 ODIGO : 5269083 ------------------------------------------------------ From alberto at a2sistemi.it Wed Aug 20 01:47:43 2003 From: alberto at a2sistemi.it (Alberto Rubinelli - A2 Sistemi) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Floppy interface In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030818182727.00a75488@pop.katamail.com> Message-ID: > I am looking for documentation on the floppy disk interface.I would like > to use a floppy disk in order to save data but I don't know how format > them. Can you help me? ? What kind of floppy disk interface ? :) Alberto ------------------------------------------------------ Alberto Rubinelli Mail : alberto@a2sistemi.it A2 SISTEMI Web : www.a2sistemi.it Via Costantino Perazzi 22 Tel 0321 640149 28100 NOVARA (NO) - ITALY Fax 0321 391769 Il mio museo di vecchi computers/My old computers museum http://www.retrocomputing.net ICQ : 49872318 ODIGO : 5269083 ------------------------------------------------------ From danjr at voyager.net Wed Aug 20 01:47:49 2003 From: danjr at voyager.net (danjr) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Fw: [Heathkit] Old stuff has to go Message-ID: <200308192220.h7JMK2L25166@pilot02.cl.msu.edu> I picked this up off another list I am on. I thought I would pass it on ... Dan ---------- > From: Pat Swayne > To: heathkit@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Heathkit] Old stuff has to go > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:27 AM > > I'm cleaning up an old house for sale. I have several old Heathkit Items > that I will give to any one who will provide transportation for them. These > include: > > An H/Z-100 all-in-one computer with numerous modifications (if you remember > me from the REMark days, you know I came up with a lot of mods for that > machine. It has a Syquest 10 meg removable media hard disk in it, and I > also have a fixed hard disk I will throw in, and a complete > technical/service manual with schematics. It was working when last used, > but that was years ago. Several Syquest cartridges with unknown content > will be included. I also have AutoCad for this machine, and will throw that > in, too. > > A complete ID-5001 (I think) Weather computer -- complete except for the > base unit cabinet. Otherwise, it has all cables, sensors, etc. Working > condition unknown, but it's assembled. > > Many 5.25" disks for anything from H8 ranging to PC, containing HUG > software, REMark articles, etc. > > I live in the Atlanta area, and you can arrange to pick these up by > emailing me. I might be persuaded to ship these if you send enough money to > cover the shipping, boxing, etc. I will be away from home Oct 21-23. > -- Pat Swayne From spedraja at ono.com Wed Aug 20 01:47:56 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: CP/NET References: <01d201c36690$29aaf7a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <010b01c366a5$50414e40$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Hello everybody. I am trying to obtain one copy of CP/NET or MPM/NET. In .dsk format suitable to be used with SIMH simulators. I am trying to run a copy available in www.cpm.z80.de and even another (that is finally the same) in www.retroarchive.org with bad luck. Both are incomplete until I can understand. In fact, I can't locate two binaries, MAIL.COM and SERVER.RSP In the good side, I could generate the NETWRKIF.RSP file using the indications in the CP/NET manual. This manual tells that I need this three files to integrate them inside the MP/M nucleus with GENSYS. Of course, this is only a first step. If all goes well we couldn't have yet one CP/NET working environment. Here is where I'm lost. What kind of "network" devices used CP/NET ? In the manual comes one example to customize one SNIOS.RSP in the cliente to use one Serial Port, but I assume the existence of others. I think it would be great to allow the simulation of one MP/M-CP/NET-CP/M network with a couple (or more) of SIMH AltairZ80's running at same time. Cheers Sergio From bshannon at tiac.net Wed Aug 20 01:48:03 2003 From: bshannon at tiac.net (Bob Shannon) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Wanted, double precision math operators in HP2100 machine code. References: <3F399109.8885272C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3F42B5D2.9010305@tiac.net> Would anyone have listings for double precision math operators for a HP 1000 series CPU? I'm looking for 32-bit, signed integer addition, subtraction, multiplication and division routines. The data format will be signed integers in two 16-bit words (sign, 15-bits, 16-bits). Division should make the quotient and remainder available. Psudocode that I can translate into HP assembler would work, but I strongly suspect some of teh quirks of the HP instruction set can be used to implement routines with better performance than I'd manage myself. (and where has my liberary of relocatable routines manual gotten to now?) From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 20 01:48:12 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Floppy interface In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030818182727.00a75488@pop.katamail.com> from "Fabio Finotti" at Aug 18, 3 06:42:39 pm Message-ID: > I have read on mailing list the your message that speaks about floppy dis= > k=20 > and controller : > > > >Read/Write > >signals, > >normally using a 26LS31 driver and 26LS32 receiver. You've trimmed it rather a lot, but that certainly refers to the ST506-type hard disk interface. The standard floppy interface is all TTL-level signals. > > >But in a sense they're analogue in _time_. In write mode, the >drive > >writes a flux transition to the disk for every pulse on the >write data > >line. In read mode, the drive sends a pulse on the read data >line for > >every flux transition on the disk. There are some restrictions >on > >allowable frequencies of transisitions, of course. > > etc. etc. > > I am looking for documentation on the floppy disk interface.I would like= > =20 > to use a floppy disk in order to save data but I don't know how format=20 > them. Can you help me? Well, yes, I do have the specs of the standard floppy drive interface (pinouts, signals, etc), as do many other people here. However, I am not sure that's what you need. One thing before I go any further. Unless you're trying to do something strange (which normally means 'trying to read a {GCR | M2FM | ...} disk') then I would strongly recomend you use a standard floppy disk controller IC. If you follow the application circuit for such a chip and wire up the floppy drive as is shown in said application, then it should all work. -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 20 01:48:18 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Documation Punched Card Reader / USB Interface In-Reply-To: from "Vintage Computer Festival" at Aug 18, 3 07:52:46 pm Message-ID: > I always post my URLs on their own line because of this very issue. Some So do I. I've even been know to put the full stop (period) that ends the sentence at the start of a new line, to avoid confusing. Terrible formatting, but looks are less important than clarity of meaning. There is the same problem with Forth words, where just about any character can appear. -tony From evan947 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 01:48:25 2003 From: evan947 at yahoo.com (evan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Casio IF-800? In-Reply-To: <20030817040807.67605.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030820010837.65488.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Nevermind -- found what I need -- it's actually the 8000. --- evan wrote: > Hey, does anyone know anything at all about a 1986 > small computer called the Casio IF-800? From evan947 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 01:48:31 2003 From: evan947 at yahoo.com (evan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Casio IF-800? In-Reply-To: <20030817040807.67605.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030820010837.65488.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Nevermind -- found what I need -- it's actually the 8000. --- evan wrote: > Hey, does anyone know anything at all about a 1986 > small computer called the Casio IF-800? From esharpe at uswest.net Wed Aug 20 01:48:42 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: list upgrades References: <01d201c36690$29aaf7a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <012001c366cc$497e95a0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> thanks for all your work on this Jay! Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay West" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: list upgrades > Ok, I think I've finally figured out how to correctly migrate the lists and > archives from the old machine to the new machine. Yuck! There will be some > downtime. Not sure how long though. Might be two hours or so :\ Now the big > problem is just finding the time to do it. My guess is the list will move > quickly... the archives may take a bit of time, mainly because I want to go > through and clean out some particular posts, and to integrate a few bits of > the list that were missing. > > By the way... upon 2nd glance, sendmail wasn't really configured optimally on > the machine. I will rectify that when I reload it all. > > Jay From esharpe at uswest.net Wed Aug 20 01:48:48 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: list upgrades References: <01d201c36690$29aaf7a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <012001c366cc$497e95a0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> thanks for all your work on this Jay! Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay West" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: list upgrades > Ok, I think I've finally figured out how to correctly migrate the lists and > archives from the old machine to the new machine. Yuck! There will be some > downtime. Not sure how long though. Might be two hours or so :\ Now the big > problem is just finding the time to do it. My guess is the list will move > quickly... the archives may take a bit of time, mainly because I want to go > through and clean out some particular posts, and to integrate a few bits of > the list that were missing. > > By the way... upon 2nd glance, sendmail wasn't really configured optimally on > the machine. I will rectify that when I reload it all. > > Jay From esharpe at uswest.net Wed Aug 20 01:48:54 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: donner analog computer References: <00b001c36682$2a6eec40$f051e50c@attbi.com> Message-ID: <012501c366cd$21ea5500$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> Doug, Kudos on the Korn complements, could not think of a better source of congrats. the 3500 portable you have pictured is like ours except..... it is all disassembled in a rack mount configuration! tried to find the manual online, do you have any plans to PDF any of this material? Nice site! plan to spend some more time there! Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Coward" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: Re: donner analog computer > I sent this reply a couple of days ago but it never > appeared in the digest so I can only assume that > it went into the univeral bit bucket. Here it is again. > ======== Resending ================== > Ed sharpe wrote: > > Please see the Donner analog computer at: > > http://www.smecc.org/analog_computers.htm > > we would like to get enough stuff and some docs to get it operational. > > I have the "Instruction Manual" that includes operation, servicing, > part lists, and schematics. > > Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > >Ed, what model number is this? > > The top three panels make up a rack mounted model 3500. > I can't see enough detail of the bottom two panels to tell > for sure, probably some kind of accessories. > > Ed sharpe wrote: > >it says donner 3500 as I remember. so it is earlier than a > >sysdon donner, although I remember the instruction manual > >( lost probably 20 years ago during a computer exchange inc. > >warehouse clean out party) said sysdon donner.... > > The manuals says manufactured by Donner Scientific Company > a division of Systron-Donner Corporation. > > >what would you folks date it at? > > The manual is dated January 1960 > > >I remember there was also a bag of little rectangular boxes with > >jack tips on them that help components also. ( again missing) > > I would bet good money that the banana jacks on the patch > panel are exactly 3/4" apart. In that case you can use a double > banana plug as a component holder. > > >in the library here we do have a copy of the korn and korn > >book on analog computers. > > Just about a month ago I got an email from Granino Korn > saying how much he like my little museum. > --Doug > ========================================= > Doug Coward > @ home in Poulsbo, WA > > Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center > http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog > ========================================= From esharpe at uswest.net Wed Aug 20 01:49:00 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: adaptors was no subject...Re: (no subject) References: <000801c3663c$38e7eba0$3401a8c0@1rgdk0j> Message-ID: <015501c366ce$04543730$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> adaptors for which unit Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Yirrell" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:25 AM Subject: (no subject) > Did you get any adapters? > > David From esharpe at uswest.net Wed Aug 20 01:49:07 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: HP 2622A References: <003701c365dd$e7710f30$e3981cd5@HYEENA> Message-ID: <015b01c366ce$6aa748b0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> the 2622 is a hp terminal used with the 1000 and 3000 series machines... the screen positioning is HP product specific, it WILL NOT emulate VT 100. as I remember it would do both character mode and block mode. the little brother was a 2621 and was char. mode only. Keyboard.... wish I had saved some..... Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jukka Andersson" To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: HP 2622A > Hi. > > I am new to list... joined because got 2 nice computers. > CBM 8032 and HP 2622A... Sold CBM already but would like to know > more about this HP terminal. What it can be used for and how to get keyboard > for it. > > .jukka andersson > finland. From esharpe at uswest.net Wed Aug 20 01:49:13 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: HP 2622A References: <003701c365dd$e7710f30$e3981cd5@HYEENA> Message-ID: <015b01c366ce$6aa748b0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> the 2622 is a hp terminal used with the 1000 and 3000 series machines... the screen positioning is HP product specific, it WILL NOT emulate VT 100. as I remember it would do both character mode and block mode. the little brother was a 2621 and was char. mode only. Keyboard.... wish I had saved some..... Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jukka Andersson" To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: HP 2622A > Hi. > > I am new to list... joined because got 2 nice computers. > CBM 8032 and HP 2622A... Sold CBM already but would like to know > more about this HP terminal. What it can be used for and how to get keyboard > for it. > > .jukka andersson > finland. From esharpe at uswest.net Wed Aug 20 01:49:20 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: GENIAC - 2 Wheeled replica References: <3F3EF8F6.666CE948@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <016701c366ce$ef5b9ac0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> now I was wondering what to do with a drill bit and a group of masonite stock.... ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: ; Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 8:39 PM Subject: GENIAC - 2 Wheeled replica > You might find this ebay item interesting. item number 3544460236 > -- Steve From esharpe at uswest.net Wed Aug 20 01:49:27 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: GENIAC - 2 Wheeled replica References: <3F3EF8F6.666CE948@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <016701c366ce$ef5b9ac0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> now I was wondering what to do with a drill bit and a group of masonite stock.... ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: ; Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 8:39 PM Subject: GENIAC - 2 Wheeled replica > You might find this ebay item interesting. item number 3544460236 > -- Steve From esharpe at uswest.net Wed Aug 20 01:49:33 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Old Computer Magazines References: <200308190518.h7J5IjGw046011@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Message-ID: <018d01c366cf$b04a5230$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> this brings up an interesting point, as Harper's magazines from the 1870's contain advertisements also... also many early books did as well.... I think what there target is on is CURRENT ADVERTISEMENTS, but it would be nice to have an official clarification on this. Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank McConnell" To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:18 PM Subject: Re: Old Computer Magazines > Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Al Kossow wrote: > > > FWIW, you CANNOT ship these USPS media mail, since that > > > rate cannot be used for any publication that contains > > > advertizing. > > > > I've done it plenty of times with old magazines, and I don't have any > > qualms with it because the ads are no longer current or even relevant. > > I think it's a goofy requirement too, but frankly it depends on your > postal inspector(s). Maybe you've seen signs at the Post Office > informing you that any USPS employee can open a package sent Media > Mail and inspect the contents? I have, in Mountain View, California > (deepest darkest Sillycon Valley). > > I don't know what happens if they open it up and find vintage computer > magazines loaded with advertising, but "Media Mail can not contain > advertising except for incidental announcements of books" (from > ) > and I'm not sure how the bureaucracy will interpret the 25-year-old > advertisements in 25-year-old magazines, but it probably depends on > how irritable its local rep is feeling that day. I expect that if > they go after anyone it will be the shipper, as he's the paying > customer. > > I'm pretty sure I've read posts over on rec.collecting.books by > booksellers angsting over this. Maybe Al's run into that too. > > > Anyone who's ever shipped me old magazines has done it using Media Mail > > and they've never had problems. > > The way you're probably supposed to do this (according to the > bureaucracy) is Bound Printed Matter. But that has problems which > recommend against it. First, parcel weight is limited to 15 pounds. > Second, "Bound Printed Matter with no ancillary service endorsement > that is undeliverable-as-addressed is disposed of by USPS." (from > ). > > -Frank McConnell From vcf at siconic.com Wed Aug 20 01:49:40 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: donner analog computer In-Reply-To: <004901c36551$b574e880$f051e50c@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, Doug Coward wrote: > Just about a month ago I got an email from Granino Korn > saying how much he like my little museum. Wow, sweet! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vance at neurotica.com Wed Aug 20 02:06:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: CARDIAC Message-ID: Anyone know where I can get (or even borrow) one? I don't need an original. A replica will do. Peace... Sridhar From hansp at citem.org Wed Aug 20 02:19:00 2003 From: hansp at citem.org (Hans B Pufal) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: CARDIAC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F42B7CA.4010307@citem.org> vance@neurotica.com wrote: >Anyone know where I can get (or even borrow) one? I don't need an >original. A replica will do. > A couple of years ago I bought two original CARDIACS from teh official Bell Labs distributer : COMSPACE CORP 117 Engineers Drive Hicksville NY 11801 (516) 942 8191 -- hbp From cvisors at carnagevisors.net Wed Aug 20 02:43:00 2003 From: cvisors at carnagevisors.net (Benjamin Gardiner) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: DEC Documents. Message-ID: <3F4324B6.6050703@carnagevisors.net> Hi all, I just wanted to mention I have made another copy of the dec docs online at http://deathrow.vistech.net/~cvisors/DEC94MDS/ as well as my original http://www.carnagevisors.net/classiccmp/dec94mds/ Enjoy Benjamin -- one you lock the target two you bait the line three you slowly spread the net and four you catch the man Front 242 Headhunter From vance at neurotica.com Wed Aug 20 02:51:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: CARDIAC In-Reply-To: <3F42B7CA.4010307@citem.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Hans B Pufal wrote: > >Anyone know where I can get (or even borrow) one? I don't need an > >original. A replica will do. > > A couple of years ago I bought two original CARDIACS from teh official > Bell Labs distributer : > > COMSPACE CORP > 117 Engineers Drive > Hicksville NY 11801 > (516) 942 8191 Original as in non-replica? Cool! Peace... Sridhar From wgungfu at csd.uwm.edu Wed Aug 20 03:09:00 2003 From: wgungfu at csd.uwm.edu (Martin Scott Goldberg) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Article Reference: Linux -- The New CP/M In-Reply-To: from "Vintage Computer Festival" at Aug 18, 2003 05:27:33 PM Message-ID: <200308200801.h7K81RJq026697@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> Sellam Ismail says: > >On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Patrick Rigney wrote: > >> This article caught my eye; I'm sure this will stir many a hornet's nest... >> >> http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/189/ > >He's right on some of his points. The one thing that Linux has going for >it in this case IS the fact that IBM is fully behind it. I disagree with his attempt to draw some of those parallels though between CP/M and Linux. It fails to take in to account the time period in history and the market then vs. now. Hardware was in a much different transition period than it is now, with micros still just moving forward to being accepted as serious business at the time. The market was still majorly a hardware driven market. The PC was IBM's second micro, and at the time IBM was still in a major position from it's mainframe and mini clout to lead business's like the pied piper to the hardware direction it wanted. Gates and company were smart enough to latch on, and the move catapulted MS-DOS to the forefront. They (as has been written about ad nauseum) were also smart enough to realize software was the future, and planned ahead to catapult themselves past IBM in to the dominance they soon enjoyed and still do. That environment where they came to prominance simply does not exist now. He draws another incorrect parallel with multiple flavors of CP/M being a problem vs. the multiple customized Linux's. I'm sorry, but in the 70's and early 80's micro market you simply had a lot of of different architectures and platforms (many with propietary cards/configurations/etc) that needed the customization of and the support of that manufacturer. Not all graphics, sound, memory, etc. cards/chips/whatever provided the same basic defined level of support, had the same level of OS integration/supoort, etc. etc. since again the hardware was in it's infancy. Today, short of embedded pc systems (which as far as I know Microsoft does not dominate), you do not have anwhere near that ammount of customized/proprietary pc architectures/platforms. It's pretty standardized now between open architecture PowerPC and X86 platforms in the micro market, with most of the onus of support falling on a symbiotic relationship between third party card/chip manufacturers and the OS company since much of the need for guess work/customization/etc. for the basic motherboard/bus/etc. itself has been gotten rid of. Unlike MS-DOS and Windows, Linux is truly a product of the Internet to begin with - being one of the first major OS's to be built through that kind of world wide networked collaboration that it has come to enjoy. That includes continued driver support, kernel, etc. that has lead to Linux being ported to many many different platforms from older hardware, to all the different micro formats, embedded systems, and even video game consoles. The various "flavors" of Linux (specifically in the pc distriputions of Red Hat, Calderra, etc. etc.) have little to do now with the hardware/disk/etc. issues that CP/M faced and have more to do with software incompatibilites due to enhancements each distributor has decided to tinker with in an effort to dress up the same standard Linux distribution that's available to everyone. After all, the kernel and related OS is free so you have to try and "dress" it up if you want people to have a reason to buy a distribution of it from you. The bottom line of all the above being in the 70's and early 80's, many many platforms = bad. CP/M must be customized to support many many platforms/disk formats/HW configurations = bad, and it's licensing practices leads to many different flavors. Microsoft used IBM (by also pushing for an open platform and a non-OS based BIOS that they would not have to worry about protecting - that's IBM's problem) to push for standardization and thin the herd. And set itself in position to retain control of any and all future "flavors" of it's OS through it's licensing and development practices. Now, over 20 years later the herd is down to a few standardized cattle. Microsoft Windows completely dominates one of them. Now you have Linux, where customization = good, and allows you to run on all the cattle and any future calfs, while taking advantage of the same software driven/third party symbiotic relationship that Microsoft enjoys because of the now standardized open arctiecture environment that the micro platforms have. But hey, I'm a FreeBSD guy and I thought BeOS had a great shot if they wouldn't have been so bone headed about the drivers. So what do I care? ;) Marty From vcf at siconic.com Wed Aug 20 03:43:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: CARDIAC In-Reply-To: <3F42B7CA.4010307@citem.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Hans B Pufal wrote: > vance@neurotica.com wrote: > > >Anyone know where I can get (or even borrow) one? I don't need an > >original. A replica will do. > > > > A couple of years ago I bought two original CARDIACS from teh official > Bell Labs distributer : > > COMSPACE CORP > 117 Engineers Drive > Hicksville NY 11801 > (516) 942 8191 Those folks closed out their final inventory several years ago. A group of us here in the Sillycon Valley bought them out. If I ever find my stash then I should have an extra I can send to you. In the meantime, here's a CARDIAC simulator: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cinc Here's another site (accessible through archive.org) that has some info on the CARDIAC: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.larkfarm.com/cardiac_answers.htm -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vcf at siconic.com Wed Aug 20 03:48:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Article Reference: Linux -- The New CP/M In-Reply-To: <200308200801.h7K81RJq026697@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Martin Scott Goldberg wrote: > The bottom line of all the above being in the 70's and early 80's, many > many platforms = bad. CP/M must be customized to support many > many platforms/disk formats/HW configurations = bad, and it's licensing > practices leads to many different flavors. Microsoft used IBM (by also > pushing for an open platform and a non-OS based BIOS that they would > not have to worry about protecting - that's IBM's problem) to push for > standardization and thin the herd. And set itself in position to retain Acutally, Microsoft hedged its bets and created versions of MS-DOS for all sorts of platforms, since it was by no means certain that the IBM PC would dominate until at least a couple years after it showed up. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From nico at farumdata.dk Wed Aug 20 04:15:00 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Article Reference: Linux -- The New CP/M References: Message-ID: <001001c366fa$1dac63c0$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Martin Scott Goldberg wrote: > > > The bottom line of all the above being in the 70's and early 80's, many > > many platforms = bad. CP/M must be customized to support many > > many platforms/disk formats/HW configurations = bad, and it's licensing > > practices leads to many different flavors. Microsoft used IBM (by also > > pushing for an open platform and a non-OS based BIOS that they would > > not have to worry about protecting - that's IBM's problem) to push for > > standardization and thin the herd. And set itself in position to retain > > Acutally, Microsoft hedged its bets and created versions of MS-DOS for all > sorts of platforms, since it was by no means certain that the IBM PC would > dominate until at least a couple years after it showed up. > When I started in the micro world in 1984, my first system was a Japanese Sord system, called S-343. It was a dual-floppy system, running MS-DOS 3.21. This was a specially adapted version, where the 360k floppies were accessible by other MS systems, but the 1.2M floppies were not. I dont know why, though. Nico From curt at atarimuseum.com Wed Aug 20 08:18:00 2003 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt Vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: PDP-11 & RSTS Owners... References: <3F4324B6.6050703@carnagevisors.net> Message-ID: <009901c36735$8082f6e0$2302a8c0@WorkGroup> Hi, Looking for PDP-11 owners running RSTS 7.1 in the North East, preferrably in the Westchester, NY to Connecticut area... I have numerous RL02 and RK05 paks that I am unable to read on my Vax 4000 under VMS and could use some assistance, also I am looking for a PDP-11/73 or 11/83 to buy (any Qbus compatible 11 System... though I'd really like a Vax 11/730 too) so if anyone is selling, please contact me, I am also looking to buy an RK05 and RM05 as well. Curt From bpope at wordstock.com Wed Aug 20 08:36:00 2003 From: bpope at wordstock.com (Bryan Pope) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Enermax EG150S-V In-Reply-To: <20030819025008.80307.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> from "Marshall and Stevie Wishnack" at Aug 18, 03 07:50:08 pm Message-ID: <200308201318.JAA22812@wordstock.com> And thusly Marshall and Stevie Wishnack spake: > > Bryan - Did you ever find an Enermax EG150S-V or a > useable substitute? I desperately need two of them. Mrshall > Marshall, Unfortunately I haven't found any yet. :( Cheers, Bryan From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 20 08:50:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Data Systems Design DSD-880 8" floppy and Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <030818155737.7e55@splab.cas.neu.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030819133344.18df5524@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Hey Joe, How about CC'ing me on that? I'm like to find out more about them. Joe Rigdon At 03:57 PM 8/18/03 -0400, you wrote: >Pat, I can explain pretty precisely how to test the dsd880-8, but I think >we should do it off line. > >Thanks, > >Joe Heck > >username is trash3, >address is splab.cas.neu.edu From nuvola66 at katamail.com Wed Aug 20 10:27:00 2003 From: nuvola66 at katamail.com (Federico) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Floppy interface In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030818182727.00a75488@pop.katamail.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030818182727.00a75488@pop.katamail.com> Message-ID: <3F43915A.8050800@katamail.com> Fabio Finotti wrote: I would like project a circuit to emulate a old 8 inch floppy disk (tandon tm848 e). So i would like to know wath kind of signal the controller send to floppy drive and the reponse of floppy to controller. Thank you. From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Wed Aug 20 11:47:00 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: CARDIAC Message-ID: <200308201639.JAA24724@clulw009.amd.com> Hi I believe that John Rible owns the publication rights to these. He would have it in a computer readable format. You might contact him at: jrible@sandpipers.com later Dwight >From: vance@neurotica.com > >On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Hans B Pufal wrote: > >> >Anyone know where I can get (or even borrow) one? I don't need an >> >original. A replica will do. >> >> A couple of years ago I bought two original CARDIACS from teh official >> Bell Labs distributer : >> >> COMSPACE CORP >> 117 Engineers Drive >> Hicksville NY 11801 >> (516) 942 8191 > >Original as in non-replica? Cool! > >Peace... Sridhar From cisin at xenosoft.com Wed Aug 20 13:02:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Article Reference: Linux -- The New CP/M In-Reply-To: <200308200801.h7K81RJq026697@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> References: <200308200801.h7K81RJq026697@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> Message-ID: <20030820104557.Q96371@newshell.lmi.net> > He draws another incorrect parallel with multiple flavors of CP/M being a > problem vs. the multiple customized Linux's. I'm sorry, but in the 70's But was he really talking about multiple flavors of CP/M, or was he confusing that with the problems of disk format interchange? In most cases, the CP/M was essentially the same, except for the video/terminal operations and everybody had a unique disk format. Well, not EVERYBODY, but I estimate that there were about 2500 different floppy disk formats. In about 1978, I asked Gary Kildall, "What is the STANDARD format for 5.25 inch?" He replied, "8 inch single density." I said, "NO! What is the standard format to use for 5.25 inch?" He said, "8 inch single density." At the time, I didn't appreciate the wisdom of his words. -- Fred Cisin cisin@xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com PO Box 1236 (510) 558-9366 Berkeley, CA 94701-1236 From alberto at a2sistemi.it Wed Aug 20 13:18:00 2003 From: alberto at a2sistemi.it (Alberto Rubinelli - A2 Sistemi) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Floppy interface In-Reply-To: <3F43915A.8050800@katamail.com> Message-ID: > Fabio Finotti wrote: > I would like project a circuit to emulate a old 8 inch floppy disk > (tandon tm848 e). > So i would like to know wath kind of signal the controller send to > floppy drive and the reponse > of floppy to controller. Ok, now is clear :) I had try to do this adapter, some year ago, but there was no time to finish the project. I'm sure to have visit a website with a similar project, but I have lost the link during a crash (thanks Bill ! ) :) I'll try to check some old schematics of 8" disk drive and if I found some information, I'll report here. Alberto. ------------------------------------------------------ Alberto Rubinelli Mail : alberto@a2sistemi.it A2 SISTEMI Web : www.a2sistemi.it Via Costantino Perazzi 22 Tel 0321 640149 28100 NOVARA (NO) - ITALY Fax 0321 391769 Il mio museo di vecchi computers/My old computers museum http://www.retrocomputing.net ICQ : 49872318 ODIGO : 5269083 ------------------------------------------------------ From vcf at siconic.com Wed Aug 20 14:18:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: More CARDIAC stuff Message-ID: Here's a (unfortunately very poor) video of John Rible talking about the CARDIAC: http://www.ultratechnology.com/rmvideo.htm Scroll down to the "John Rible" section. John might be speaking at the VCF this year. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * From vanka at volny.cz Wed Aug 20 14:21:01 2003 From: vanka at volny.cz (Michal Vanka) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Article Reference: Linux -- The New CP/M References: <20030819011210.60962.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c3674f$1434fc80$0200a8c0@vanka.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: jim stephens To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:12 AM Subject: Re: Article Reference: Linux -- The New CP/M > Microsoft wins because of the thing he mentioned about > development support. They support developers. > > Developers love Linux and support it, but it is a pain > to develop for Linux compared to microsoft. Sorry but I have to disagree with this statement. It is a pain to develop when one doesn't have enough experience and have to study a lot of new things which usually seem strange. But once you gain the knowledge, things get easier. And if something goes wrong on Linux you can always take a look at the source code (Poorly documented device driver? Look at ioctl() calls in its source...) Try that with WinXYZ. Michal Vanka http://www.vanka.net From at258 at osfn.org Wed Aug 20 14:34:00 2003 From: at258 at osfn.org (Merle K. Peirce) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: IBM 5360 FREE to good hom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Was this the one you talked about donating to us, Colin? On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, Colin Eby wrote: > > > One more time.... Can I persuade any of you nice folks on this list to come > > cart off my IBM? > > List it on the Vintage Computer Marketplace as fixed sale priced item at > $0.00. You'll get more exposure for giving it away. > > We'll eventually have an actual "Freebie" listing type. > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * > M. K. Peirce Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc. Shady Lea, Rhode Island "Casta est quam nemo rogavit." - Ovid From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Wed Aug 20 15:02:00 2003 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Data Systems Design DSD-880 8" floppy and Hard Drive Message-ID: <030820151331.83b2@splab.cas.neu.edu> I was going to do this offline, but I have had a couple of requests for this info, so I will put it out to the list. I do not have the manuals scanned, so I will excerpt from them. If any of you reading this have one of the systems (or part of) that ends in an 8, meaning an 8 MB drive, I would especially like to hear from you in order to try to see if it is the electronics or the actual drive that I have that is bad. I have 3 working 30 MB systems, and I think I will be getting rid of them soon, as I have moved the software over to a PC. Here goes the explanation on the DSD 880 series from my perspective. Data Systems Design (Qualogy) made two disk subsystems for Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) computers. It is possible they made other models, and other adapters for Prime or DG, but I don't know anything about them. The subsystems were external, in a 19 inch wide case, about 24 inches deep, and about 6 inches high. They used a ribbon cable, 26 pin to connect to the backplane adapter. The adapter had diagnostics upon bootstrap and a bootstrap prom on it. The models were DSD 880xnn, where the X was either an S or a D, meaning a single sided 8" floppy drive or a double sided 8" floppy drive. The nn was either 8 or 20 or 30 for the megabytes. The floppy emulated an RX02 or the double sided emulated an RX03 with a patch to the OS. The winchester emulated an RL01 (8 MB with some waste), a short RL02 (10MB) with a couple of megabytes of bad blocks, or 2 or 3 RL02s with a patch to the OS for 3 RL02's. I am also doing this mostly in context of RT-11. The manuals I have are dated 1982 and 1984, so that gives you some idea of the age. The bootstrap will boot either the floppy or the hard drive. There were two different formatter/controller cards, models 8840 and 8841. There were a few different adapter/interface cards, 8832 and 8836 for q-bus and 8830 for unibus. The winchesters had head and spindle locks located in access doors underneath, for shipping. There was a modification to the 8836 to support 22 bit addressing. The 8832/8836 are dual wide boards, while the 8830 is a quad board. The configuration of the 8832 and 8836 are in two jumper blocks at location F4 and D3 on the card. These control the location of the RL CSR, the boot address/enable, the floppy CSR, dma burst length, the RL and floppy vector addresses and the priority levels. The unibus version has similar features in 5 locations. The units shipped with a diagnostic floppy that had a diagnostic monitor, a floppy and winchester exerciser, a diagnostic program for the winchester in RL emulation and a scan program for bad blocks. The hyperdiagnostics panel is similar between the 8 and 20/30 drives, except the mode 0 stuff is different. I will start with mode 1 stuff, where the panel has mode and class (left,right) Mode 1: floppy disk format stuff class 0 format double density class 1 format single density class 2 set media to double density class 3 set media to single density class 4 set media double density and scan class 5 set media single density and scan Mode 2: system tests class 0 floppy disk exerciser and write class 1 ditto, but no write class 2 fixed disk exerciser class 3 floppy/fixed disk exerciser, write floppy class 4 single pass of class 3 class 5 single pass of class 3 without write class 6 floppy/fixed disk exerciser, no fixed/floppy write class 7 fixed disk write enable, use this before fixed write tests Mode 3: more hardware tests class 0 controller switch and indicator test class 1 general controller tests, alu,mem, crc, pll class 2 alu and serdes test class 3 memory test class 4 crc test class 5 pll test class 6 display microcode version mode 4: floppy disk alignment stuff. pretty specific, must have sa800/sa850 floppy maint manual mode 5: read/write tests class 0 single pass sequential scan floppy class 1 butterfly seek floppy class 2 butterfly read floppy headers class 3 sequential write/read floppy class 4 sequential scan hard drive class 5 butterfly seek hard drive class 6 sequential write/read hard drive class 7 fixed disk write enable ( do before 6) Mode 6 and 7 are for offline backup and restore, except 7 - 7 which is to set the floppy-type flag on the winchester bat track map to tell the system if it is a single or double sided floppy, or no floppy. Finally there are 40 or so error codes that can pop up in the diagnostic display. Hope this satisfies some of the curiosity. Joe Heck From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Wed Aug 20 16:20:01 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Floppy interface Message-ID: <200308202111.OAA24868@clulw009.amd.com> >From: Federico > >Fabio Finotti wrote: >I would like project a circuit to emulate a old 8 inch floppy disk >(tandon tm848 e). >So i would like to know wath kind of signal the controller send to >floppy drive and the reponse >of floppy to controller. > >Thank you. > Hi You should look at a data sheet for something like a WD1793 or nec765. This will help in understanding normal formats. Of course, you do not have to use these. There are a number of control and status signals to deal with head load, motor control, stepping, index detection and door closed. There are usually to data lines, one for read and one for write ( with the exception early 8" that had built-in clock/data separators. Typically, the clock and data are encoded with one of several methods. FM, MFM and M2FM are a few. These are methods of keeping the clocking with the data. On floppies, it is necessary to have regular transitions of the write signal ( no long strings of constant levels ). This is because most early read heads used coils and required edges to be detected ( coil heads are differentiators ). New hard disk heads may use techniques that see the actual strength of field. Most soft sectored formats use illegal clock/data sequences to make the beginnings of sectors( by illegal I mean that they can't exist in the data portion ). These are usually called address marks. Like I said, look at the data sheets. They explain these things. Dwight From evan947 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 18:36:00 2003 From: evan947 at yahoo.com (evan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Casio IF-800? In-Reply-To: <001d01c364a8$186a2a40$0b01a8c0@michael> Message-ID: <20030820232803.70672.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> My mistake, it was the IF-8000, that's why my web searches didn't work. (I posted that "my bad" message yesterday but for some reason my messages always take two days to post -- why is that?) --- Michael Nadeau wrote: > Oki Electric in Japan made an if800 desktop system > in the early 1980s that > was resold by a number of vendors, some using the > same model name. I don't > have any information that Casio also sold the > system, though. > > --Mike > > Michael Nadeau > Editor/Publisher > Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource > www.classictechpub.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "evan" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 4:08 AM > Subject: Casio IF-800? > > > > Hey, does anyone know anything at all about a 1986 > > small computer called the Casio IF-800? From evan947 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 18:36:44 2003 From: evan947 at yahoo.com (evan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Casio IF-800? In-Reply-To: <20030817094633.T70220@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: <20030820232846.56851.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Nope, I erred, it was the IF-8000 -- which there's lots of good info about on the Web. Thanks anyway though. --- Fred Cisin wrote: > On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, evan wrote: > > Hey, does anyone know anything at all about a 1986 > > small computer called the Casio IF-800? > > Is it similar to the Oki if-800 model 20? > or the BMC if-800? From gehrich at tampabay.rr.com Wed Aug 20 22:28:00 2003 From: gehrich at tampabay.rr.com (Gene Ehrich) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:22 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030820232011.00bb1f68@pop-server> Subject: Low Level Format I want to low level format the hard drive in an 8 year old machine to remove three partitions etc so that I can reinstall an operating system. I want to make sure that all of the old data is gone. I have already done a format of the first partition with format c: /s All that is on C; is command.com I have a number of older versions of MS-DOS and PC DOS as well as most Windows versions that I could use. From r_beaudry at hotmail.com Wed Aug 20 22:42:00 2003 From: r_beaudry at hotmail.com (Rich Beaudry) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: CP/NET Message-ID: Sergio, >I am trying to obtain one copy of CP/NET or MPM/NET. >In .dsk format suitable to be used with SIMH simulators. >I can't locate two binaries, MAIL.COM and SERVER.RSP I have a disk (8", SSSD) labeled "CP/NET 1.0". I also have a photocopy of the User's Guide for CP/NET (3rd Printing, 1981). The files you are looking for are not there, but perhaps you have a different version of CP/NET. Mine appears to be complete, judging from a quick look through the manual. There are two .COM files for electronic mail (SNDMAIL.COM and RCVMAIL.COM), and there are also "server" versions of these files. Also, the only difference I can see for the server side is a change in NETWRKIF.RSP. There are full directions for altering the server and client setups in the manual. >In the good side, I could generate the NETWRKIF.RSP >file using the indications in the CP/NET manual. My manual also has complete directions. I haven't tried them out, however.... >Of course, this is only a first step. If all goes well we >couldn't have yet one CP/NET working environment. >Here is where I'm lost. What kind of "network" devices >used CP/NET ? In the manual comes one example to >customize one SNIOS.RSP in the cliente to use one >Serial Port, but I assume the existence of others. I think >it would be great to allow the simulation of one >MP/M-CP/NET-CP/M network with a couple >(or more) of SIMH AltairZ80's running at same time. My manual also only mentions serial devices (in fact, it even suggests sample 7-bit and 8-bit serial protocols, and message formats). According to the manual, NETWRKIF and SNIOS would have to be altered for a new device. It would most likely be very difficult to alter them to work with new networking hardware. If SIMH connects the emulated computer's serial ports to the real PC ports, then perhaps it would be best to go with two computers, hooked by serial cables, one running MP/M and CP/NET ("master"), and the other running CP/M and CP/NET ("slave") Hope this helps, and if you want, I can supply a PC-format disk with all files from my CP/NET 1.0 disk. I could also supply a scan/photocopy of the manual as well.... Rich B. From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Wed Aug 20 22:46:00 2003 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format Message-ID: <030820233100.8563@splab.cas.neu.edu> Norton had a program called wipedisk, which wrote to the whole drive, and there are some shareware programs also. However, if you use Fdisk and remove all the partitions, and then create a single partition, then do a format /U/V then that will pretty much clean out everything. I have heard from some sources that nothing is ever completely gone and No Such Agency can actually pull data off a drive that was erased and reformatted. I have a hard time believing that one. Are you concerned about security, or just erasing and initializing the Drive? Joe Heck From marvin at rain.org Wed Aug 20 22:51:00 2003 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030820232011.00bb1f68@pop-server> Message-ID: <3F443FDA.A4428577@rain.org> What type of drive are you wanting to low level format? I had a friend of mine that I loaned a HD (his HD had crashed.) He had someone else remove it and the guy put a volume label of "Big Fucker" on it. Well, I was pissed that this idiot would be so unprofessional (this was in a professional office environment.) All this guy did to protect the data was to high level format it. It took me maybe an hour to restore everything and break the passwords in the system. I don't think much of "format" as a way of erasing data ... that you want to *stay* erased :)!!! MFM/RLL/ESDI/etc type drives are easy to low level format, but the later IDE drives were a problem unless you had the particular software to format that drive. I would love to hear more from anyone that has done low level format on the early IDE drives. Gene Ehrich wrote: > > Subject: Low Level Format > > I want to low level format the hard drive in an 8 year old machine to > remove three partitions etc so that I can reinstall an operating system. I > want to make sure that all of the old data is gone. I have already done a > format of the first partition with format c: /s > > All that is on C; is command.com > > I have a number of older versions of MS-DOS and PC DOS as well as most > Windows versions that I could use. From marvin at rain.org Wed Aug 20 22:55:01 2003 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format References: <030820233100.8563@splab.cas.neu.edu> Message-ID: <3F4440AF.5E624674@rain.org> TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu wrote: > > a format /U/V then that will pretty much clean out everything. I have > heard from some sources that nothing is ever completely gone and No Such > Agency can actually pull data off a drive that was erased and reformatted. > I have a hard time believing that one. I can believe that the data can still be recovered, but I would guess that it would take some pretty specialized equipment to measure the magnetic field accurately enough to recover data from a formatted disk. I would guess that the hysterisis in writing to the disk would leave some tell tale signs of the data that was erased. From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Wed Aug 20 23:04:00 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030820232011.00bb1f68@pop-server> References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030820234404.00a622b0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Gene, When you low level, you'll wipe out the C: partition and eliminate the command.com file plus the hidden system files. If the high level format you gave C: was good enough, why not just then format D: and then format E: You'll need to use the external command file FORMAT.??? ( forget whether it was .EXE or .COM and don't have the time to break out a book to check. Left as an excercise for the reader ) You need the one from the same version of DOS that your COMMAND.COM ( and hidden files IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS or their counterparts from IBM DOS ) came from ( unless you try SETVER, but that is not something I had ever had the occasion to try ). But if you really want to low level, either use DEBUG, or a third party package, such as OnTrack's Disk Manager or Spin Write for example. Disk Manager will end up asking you to enter your bad sector mapping. Best Regards At 11:20 PM 8/20/03 -0400, you wrote: >Subject: Low Level Format > >I want to low level format the hard drive in an 8 year old machine to >remove three partitions etc so that I can reinstall an operating system. I >want to make sure that all of the old data is gone. I have already done a >format of the first partition with format c: /s > >All that is on C; is command.com > >I have a number of older versions of MS-DOS and PC DOS as well as most >Windows versions that I could use. From Innfogra at aol.com Wed Aug 20 23:10:00 2003 From: Innfogra at aol.com (Innfogra@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format Message-ID: <7e.3cd4f234.2c759e55@aol.com> There is another command to run. To get rid of the partitions you will need to use FDISK. Once you get rid of the three partitions and reformat it as a single partition you should be OK. I would use DOS 6.22, because that is what I have. Paxton Astoria, OR From vance at neurotica.com Wed Aug 20 23:33:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030820232011.00bb1f68@pop-server> Message-ID: Why don't you just use FDISK to delete the three partitions? Easier and less wear on the disk. Peace... Sridhar On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Gene Ehrich wrote: > Subject: Low Level Format > > I want to low level format the hard drive in an 8 year old machine to > remove three partitions etc so that I can reinstall an operating system. I > want to make sure that all of the old data is gone. I have already done a > format of the first partition with format c: /s > > All that is on C; is command.com > > I have a number of older versions of MS-DOS and PC DOS as well as most > Windows versions that I could use. From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Wed Aug 20 23:46:01 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: <7e.3cd4f234.2c759e55@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030821003038.05f82a50@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Hello Paxton, He'll need to use FDISK if he wants to remove the existing partitions and then recreate a single partition WITHOUT low level formatting. If he low level formats instead, it will take the partitions out. Low level formatting takes everything out. Here's a tip for you though. I have had instances where DOS's FDISK wouldn't remove a partition. I don't exactly remember all the details because it's been a while, but it was because the partition had a name that might have included a character that wouldn't display so I didn't know what it was, or it was some unusual Non-DOS partition. I've found the partitioning utility that came with OS2 Warp to be useful when FDISK sometimes wouldn't work. Best Regards At 12:02 AM 8/21/03 -0400, you wrote: >There is another command to run. To get rid of the partitions you will need >to use FDISK. > >Once you get rid of the three partitions and reformat it as a single >partition you should be OK. > >I would use DOS 6.22, because that is what I have. > >Paxton >Astoria, OR From n8uhn at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 00:28:00 2003 From: n8uhn at yahoo.com (Bill Allen Jr) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: IBM 5360 FREE to good home Message-ID: <20030821051958.57045.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Colin, Might you have a copy of the basic compiler or basic disk for the 5360? i have most of the other languages for the sys 36 but need a copy of basic. tape or 8 in diskette is ok. Bill Message: 4 Subject: IBM 5360 FREE to good hom To: cctalk@classiccmp.org From: "Colin Eby" Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:42:34 -0400 Reply-To: cctech@classiccmp.org Okay -- One more time.... Can I persuade any of you nice folks on this list to come cart off my IBM? Colin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Innfogra at aol.com Thu Aug 21 00:33:00 2003 From: Innfogra at aol.com (Innfogra@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format Message-ID: <1cd.f82f8ca.2c75b1be@aol.com> In a message dated 8/20/03 9:39:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mail.list@analog-and-digital-solutions.com writes: > . I've found the partitioning utility that came with > OS2 Warp to be useful when FDISK sometimes wouldn't work. > Thanks for the tip. I, too, have run into partitions like you mentioned that would not delete. I was lucky and they were MFM drives I could low level format. IIRC removing and replacing the partition table should effectively destroy the links to the data on the drive. True the data bits are still there and sophisticated analysis could get them off but I don't think it is easy without knowing the original geometry of the drive. Then regular formatting the drive writes a new File Allocation Table to the drive. If it is important you could use Norton to write zeros to all the data bits in each partition and then FDISK it. That would probably make the disk unrecoverable. I know there are utilities out there to low level format IDE drives but have never found it or used it. I don't think it is common. Generally I have just pitched bad IDE Drives into Al breakage. For Certified destruction I have used a sledge hammer. Paxton Astoria, OR From SPEDRAJA at ono.com Thu Aug 21 01:50:00 2003 From: SPEDRAJA at ono.com (Sergio Pedraja Cabo) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: CP/NET Message-ID: <34c4e32ff3.32ff334c4e@ono.com> Thank you, Rich ! It would be very useful for me. The version of CP/NET that I'm using is 1.1, but the 1.0 is a good choice too, I think (with the documentation). Yesterday I proceed to extract and compile the RS232 version of SNIOS. Actually, the CP/NET requester do a full load, but cause of one parameter (always$retries, if I remember well) appears to hang itself and don't returns to CP/M. The problem can be too in the particular CCP that comes with CP/NET, and this can fail in the reload after the load of CP/NET main block, but this is a matter to investigate. Once I solve it, I must locate what SIO is using CP/NET to try to establish communications. Next step would be to check what SIO or Serial Ports are defined under ALTAIRZ80 with its IO Device or Port Identifiers. After this, it must be modified the SNIOS to select one free and safe IO port. And finally comes the SIMH matter... Map one of the simulated SIOs with one real RS232 can be relatively easy under Linux/Unix, but not under Windoze (perhaps with one IP to RS232 mapper I've used sometimes) and this make me think in one interprocessor solution (that links two copies of SIMH running at same time) applied in the HP2100 simulator. This would suppose to link the simulated RS232 of a couple of SIMH with one chain mechanism already implemented in the HP2100 sim. But, of course, the funny thing would be to connect one Altos 586 with MP/M with one PeeCee with SIMH running ;-) Thanks again. If you want to send me the CP/NET stuff by mail, this is my address: Sergio Pedraja Calle San Luis 4, 1 39010 Santander Spain I pay the shipping costs. But, of course, the email is more economic :-) Cheers Sergio ----- Mensaje Original ----- Remitente: "Rich Beaudry" Fecha: Jueves, Agosto 21, 2003 5:22 am Asunto: CP/NET > Sergio, > > >I am trying to obtain one copy of CP/NET or MPM/NET. > >In .dsk format suitable to be used with SIMH simulators. > > > > >I can't locate two binaries, MAIL.COM and SERVER.RSP > > I have a disk (8", SSSD) labeled "CP/NET 1.0". I also have a > photocopy of > the User's Guide for CP/NET (3rd Printing, 1981). The files you > are looking > for are not there, but perhaps you have a different version of > CP/NET. Mine > appears to be complete, judging from a quick look through the > manual. There > are two .COM files for electronic mail (SNDMAIL.COM and > RCVMAIL.COM), and > there are also "server" versions of these files. Also, the only > differenceI can see for the server side is a change in > NETWRKIF.RSP. There are full > directions for altering the server and client setups in the manual. > > >In the good side, I could generate the NETWRKIF.RSP > >file using the indications in the CP/NET manual. > > My manual also has complete directions. I haven't tried them out, > however.... > > >Of course, this is only a first step. If all goes well we > >couldn't have yet one CP/NET working environment. > >Here is where I'm lost. What kind of "network" devices > >used CP/NET ? In the manual comes one example to > >customize one SNIOS.RSP in the cliente to use one > >Serial Port, but I assume the existence of others. I think > >it would be great to allow the simulation of one > >MP/M-CP/NET-CP/M network with a couple > >(or more) of SIMH AltairZ80's running at same time. > > My manual also only mentions serial devices (in fact, it even suggests > sample 7-bit and 8-bit serial protocols, and message formats). > According to > the manual, NETWRKIF and SNIOS would have to be altered for a new > device.It would most likely be very difficult to alter them to > work with new > networking hardware. If SIMH connects the emulated computer's > serial ports > to the real PC ports, then perhaps it would be best to go with two > computers, hooked by serial cables, one running MP/M and CP/NET > ("master"),and the other running CP/M and CP/NET ("slave") > > Hope this helps, and if you want, I can supply a PC-format disk > with all > files from my CP/NET 1.0 disk. I could also supply a > scan/photocopy of the > manual as well.... > > Rich B. From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Thu Aug 21 02:34:00 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: <1cd.f82f8ca.2c75b1be@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030821025948.00a637c0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Hello Paxton, > I was lucky and they were MFM drives I could low level format. I'd hate to have to do that anymore. I can remember it literally taking all night to run SpinRite ( apparently I had forgotten it's proper name in my previous message ) doing a deep level surface analysis. It seems different people have different opinions of Steve Gibson and SpinRite. That might partially be due to industry insider politics. I found it to be an easy to use and useful utility. http://campus.sou.edu/~mack4948/ http://users.snip.net/~crazyman/LinkPic/LinkPages/SoftwareUtils.htm http://www.specials.com/disk.htm http://grcsucks.com/spinrite.htm http://grcsucks.com/ One way to make the data on an MFM drive extra difficult to recover might be to change out the controller. Those things weren't plug and play. A controller, a drive, and it's format were all tied together. Another extra complication that also might be added could be to give it a different interleave than it previously had. Best Regards At 01:25 AM 8/21/03 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/20/03 9:39:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >mail.list@analog-and-digital-solutions.com writes: > > > > . I've found the partitioning utility that came with > > OS2 Warp to be useful when FDISK sometimes wouldn't work. > > > >Thanks for the tip. I, too, have run into partitions like you mentioned that >would not delete. I was lucky and they were MFM drives I could low level >format. > >IIRC removing and replacing the partition table should effectively destroy >the links to the data on the drive. True the data bits are still there and >sophisticated analysis could get them off but I don't think it is easy >without >knowing the original geometry of the drive. Then regular formatting the drive >writes a new File Allocation Table to the drive. > >If it is important you could use Norton to write zeros to all the data bits >in each partition and then FDISK it. That would probably make the disk >unrecoverable. > >I know there are utilities out there to low level format IDE drives but have >never found it or used it. I don't think it is common. Generally I have just >pitched bad IDE Drives into Al breakage. For Certified destruction I have >used >a sledge hammer. > >Paxton >Astoria, OR From waltje at pdp11.nl Thu Aug 21 05:14:01 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: <1cd.f82f8ca.2c75b1be@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 Innfogra@aol.com wrote: > > . I've found the partitioning utility that came with > > OS2 Warp to be useful when FDISK sometimes wouldn't work. > > Thanks for the tip. I, too, have run into partitions like you mentioned that > would not delete. I was lucky and they were MFM drives I could low level > format. Always keep a bootable DOS disk around that contains fun-tools like some of the (early) Norton tools (WipeDisk, indeed, and DiskEditor) which give you enough of a toolchest to wipe whatever. If a partition table does not feel like being zapped by Fdisk, boot the diskette, and use DiskEditor to fill the first disk sector (so, cyl 0, head 0, sect 1) with a value of your choice. That will, in a non-failable way, zap the partition table. If you fill the first, oh, 250Kbyte of the disk with said value, there wont be any restorable data left that can be used to re-create a working system (as was suggested earlier). as this zaps either the FAT (FAT, FAT16, FAT32) or MFT (HPFS, NTFS) of the partition. Textual data can of course still be "seen", and, often, manually "glued together" by just looking at the sectors with data, and working the puzzle. Cheers, Fred From alberto at a2sistemi.it Thu Aug 21 05:16:00 2003 From: alberto at a2sistemi.it (Alberto Rubinelli - A2 Sistemi) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: IBM 5360 FREE to good home In-Reply-To: <20030821051958.57045.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Might you have a copy of the basic compiler or basic > disk for the 5360? > > i have most of the other languages for the sys 36 but > need a copy of basic. Very interesting :) There is a pascal compiler for S36 ? I have two 5360 and other S36 smaller, but a very poor software dotation: it is possible to find software for S36 in internet ... or it's copyright ? Alberto ------------------------------------------------------ Alberto Rubinelli Mail : alberto@a2sistemi.it A2 SISTEMI Web : www.a2sistemi.it Via Costantino Perazzi 22 Tel 0321 640149 28100 NOVARA (NO) - ITALY Fax 0321 391769 Il mio museo di vecchi computers/My old computers museum http://www.retrocomputing.net ICQ : 49872318 ODIGO : 5269083 ------------------------------------------------------ From mvg1 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 21 05:19:01 2003 From: mvg1 at earthlink.net (Mark Grieshaber) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: For Trade: SGI software,manuals,keyboards,mice,machines Message-ID: <20030821101029.GA197093@earthlink.net> I've been warned by the Gravity Patrol that critical mass has been exceeded at my home again, so I'm cleaning out duplicate and unneeded SGI software, publications, keyboards, mice, and machines. All of this is original SGI material. Some of the software is of current interest (like the IRIX 6.5 base cds). Some will be of interest to those still running IRIX 6.2 or IRIX 5.3, or if you like older hardware. Condition of everything is either unused or lightly used (though one manual has a torn cover, and another is well thumbed). All manuals are the recent ones which are either wire-bound with paper covers or stapled paper covers (depending on size). Although I've not gone through the keyboards and mice yet, I have spare of many -- I can *probably* help if you need such (including optical mice and pads) for machines including Power Series, Personal Iris, Professional Series, Crimson, Indigo, Indigo2, Indy, O2, and Octane. I also have a very nice 4D/35 Personal Iris, a fairly rare IRIS File, and a 4D/340VGX (twin tower, 4 cpu, 256Mb ram) that are also looking for good homes. My enthusiasm for packing Personal Irises is currently quite low, but I might be able to be coerced. The 340 would have to go via truck, so that would be your responsibility to arrange, or pickup is fine too. For the right trade, I'll deliver it! :) Everything is available for interesting trades. Please contact me directly via email, and I can either supply you with a list of items I'm looking for, or you can try suggesting trades at random. I very much prefer to trade, but if absolutely nothing matches up, I'll consider US$ as well. Everything is in St. Louis, MO, USA. No problem with shipping internationally on the software, publications, keyboards and mice. -- Mark Software cds: ============= IRIX 6.5 base, complete (7 cds) (needed before installing any 6.5.x release. Includes: Foundation 1, Foundation 2, IRIX 6.5 Applications, IRIX 6.5 Development Foundation, IRIX 6.5 Development Libraries, ONC3/NFS Version 3, IRIX 6.5 Base Documentation) IRIX 6.5 Applications IRIX 6.5.7 installation tools and overlays (2 cds) IRIX 6.5.6 installation tools and overlays (2 cds) IRIX 6.5.4 installation tools and overlays (2 cds) IRIX 6.5.3 installation tools and overlays (2 cds) IRIX 6.5.3 Base Documentation Trusted IRIX/CMN 6.5.3 overlays IRIX 6.5.2 installation tools and overlays (2 cds) IRIX 6.5.1 installation tools and overlays (2 cds) IRIX 6.4 for Origin, Onyx2 and Octane IRIX 6.4 Applications IRIX 6.3 for O2 including R10000 IRIX 6.3 Applications IRIX 6.2 with Indigo2 IMPACT 10000 IRIX 6.2 Applications IRIX 6.2 Auxillary Applications IRIX 5.3 IRIX 5.3 All Indigo2 IMPACT IRIX 5.3 with Presenter 175MHz and 2Mb cache NFS 4.0.1 NFS version 2 Internal Support Tools 1.0 Internal Support Tools 1.2 Diagnostics 6.0.1 Diagnostics 6.1 Developer Tools Maintenance Release 7.3.1.1m IRIX 6.3 Development Foundation IRIX 6.3 Development Libraries IRIX 6.2 Development Libraries IRIS Development Option (IDO) 4.0.1 ProDev WorkShop 2.6.5 MIPSpro C++ 6.0.2 MIPSpro Power C 6.0.2 ADA95 Compiler 1.3 MIPSpro Fortran 77 6.0.2 MIPSpro Power Fortran 77 6.0.2 MIPSpro Power Fortran 77 6.1 Fortran 77 3.4.1 Message Passing Toolkit 1.4 Documenter's Workbench 4.1.3 I also have an UNSORTED box of hundreds of surplus SGI cds. Owner's guides: =============== Octane Workstation Owner's Guide O2 Workstation Owner's Guide Indy Workstation Owner's Guide Indigo2 Workstation Owner's Guide Indigo2 IMPACT Workstation Owner's Guide Origin200 Owner's Guide Hardware installation/guide: ============================ External SCSI Device Installation Guide IndyCam Installation Guide for Indigo2 Indigo2 Video for Indigo2 IMPACT Owner's Guide (see also programmer's guide below) Software installation: ====================== IRIS Software Installation Guide Software Installation Administrator's Guide IRIX Admin: Software Installation and Licensing (note: these three are essentially the same manual. The last one listed is a later version that omits references to remote installs from tape, cpu types like Personal Iris and Power Series, old miniroot invocation, etc.) Administration: =============== Personal System Administration Guide NFS and NIS Administration Guide and Man Pages Diskless Workstation Administration Guide Network License System Administration Guide Network Computing System Administration Guide IRIS Workspace User's Guide Programming: ============ Indigo2 Video for Indigo2 IMPACT Programmer's Guide IRIX Network Programming Guide CodeVision User's Guide Volume I CodeVision User's Guide Volume II "Pipeline" magazine: ==================== This is a technical/owner's periodical. It is still being published electronically (.pdf). I have many of the print issues available. "IRIS Universe" magazine: ========================= A slick promotional/marketing magazine, no longer published. I have only a very few issues available. From dwoyciesjes at comcast.net Thu Aug 21 08:11:00 2003 From: dwoyciesjes at comcast.net (David Woyciesjes) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030821025948.00a637c0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Message-ID: <3F44C2AF.CEEC77A1@comcast.net> Well, one wiping utility I've used is Autoclave, which is written and documented by Josh Larios at the University of Washington... http://staff.washington.edu/jdlarios/autoclave/ It has 5 levels of wipe, zero disk, one random pass, 3 binary overwrite passes, 10 passes (some structured, some random), and then 25 structured passes. One of those choices should be good for almost anybody... -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 From Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com Thu Aug 21 08:30:00 2003 From: Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com (Feldman, Robert) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format Message-ID: If the drive in question is MFM, then Low Level Formatting is appropriate. For some drives, the LLF routine was available on disk, accessable by way of DEBUG.EXE. However, since the drive is only 8 years old, my guess is that it is IDE, and, as such, LLF was generally not a user option. For IDE drives in MS-DOS, you would first run FDISK to create/change the partitions, then run FORMAT to build the new FATs. MS-DOS 6.22 is probably the best version to use, if you have it. You could also get DR-DOS. Avoid MS-DOS 4.0. As has been mentioned, Gene, if you are concerned about making data recovery hard, first run something like Norton's WIPEDISK, then FDISK and FORMAT the drive. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Innfogra@aol.com [mailto:Innfogra@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:25 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Low Level Format I was lucky and they were MFM drives I could low level format. Paxton Astoria, OR From jwest at classiccmp.org Thu Aug 21 08:47:00 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: List moderation slowdown Message-ID: <002a01c367e9$a1efe400$033310ac@kwcorp.com> All posts requiring moderation (some to cctalk and all to cctech) may be delayed a few days, or slower than usual at least, due to a death in the family. I will try to pop in from time to time to take care of things, but my availability will be sparse the next few days. I apologize for any delayed posts in advance. Jay West From zephyr at coinet.com Thu Aug 21 08:51:01 2003 From: zephyr at coinet.com (Guvvy Hogarth) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: R-E Articles Message-ID: <000801c366af$9b0df900$728d3e42@default> Hi Mike, Would like to know if you have a source for old Radio Electronics archives. Trying to locate a 1973 article on the XR2206. Guvvy From yakowenk at cs.unc.edu Thu Aug 21 08:51:08 2003 From: yakowenk at cs.unc.edu (Bill Yakowenko) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: NEC APC-H03P Message-ID: <3F432050.8725575E@cs.unc.edu> Hi all, I've got a line on a NEC APC-H03P available in Titusville FL, from a volunteer group that sets up donated PCs for schools. They don't care to get money for it, really just want to find the thing a good home, but they wouldn't mind getting a modern (pentium or newer) PC. It apparently has 8-inch disk drives, disks, and a monitor. Anybody know what this thing is? CP/M maybe? If interested, contact me and I'll send you their e-mail address off-list. Bill. From jph at stephenson.net.dhis.org Thu Aug 21 08:51:14 2003 From: jph at stephenson.net.dhis.org (Jean-Pierre HOFER) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Looking for CPU daughter card R4000 for DECstation 5000/150 Message-ID: <200308211313.h7LDDam01682@stephenson.net.dhis.org> Hi, I am looking for a CPU daughter card (MIPS R4000) for a DECstation 5000/150 (part # printed on the board : 50-21873-01, is this the official DEC part # ?) to replace a daughter card that was damaged during transport. Thanks in advance for any advice about cheap supply sources. Jean-Pierre HOFER From raviramanathan at hotmail.com Thu Aug 21 08:51:20 2003 From: raviramanathan at hotmail.com (ravi ramanathan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: 8086 primer Message-ID: Hi If the manual is a soft copy, could you please e-mail it to me? thanks and regards. ravi From finotti.f at katamail.com Thu Aug 21 08:51:27 2003 From: finotti.f at katamail.com (Fabio Finotti) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Floppy interface Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030820172915.00a91320@pop.katamail.com> I would like project a circuit to emulate a old 8 inch floppy disk (tandon tm848 e). So i would like to know wath kind of signal the controller send to floppy drive and the reponse of floppy to controller. Thank you. From Curtis.Ivy at usdoj.gov Thu Aug 21 08:51:33 2003 From: Curtis.Ivy at usdoj.gov (Curtis.Ivy@usdoj.gov) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: commodore 64 Message-ID: <"USAMSNML01-030820155622Z-28083*/PRMD=USDOJ/ADMD= /C=US/"@MHS> do you still have the system? If so please respond. From RCini at congressfinancial.com Thu Aug 21 09:06:00 2003 From: RCini at congressfinancial.com (Cini, Richard) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: AltairBASIC on a Z80 Message-ID: <69DBC74E5784D6119BEA0090271EB8E5FA3C43@MAIL10> Hello, all: Here's an interesting question for the group. Someone who works with me on the Altair32 Emulator is attempting to get AltairBASIC 4.0 running on a Z80 plug-in. It doesn't run. While scanning some past issues of BYTE, I came across the following letter from May, 1980: "I wonder if any BYTE readers could assist me in locating the patch to Altair 8k 4.0 Version and Altair Extended 4.0 Version BASICs which will allow these BASICs to run on a Z80." "I recently purchased a TDL ZPU which uses the Z80. The manual notes this incompatibility stating that Altair BASIC 'has as part of its routines several occasions where the parity flag is checked as part of the function. In the Z80 the parity flag indicates OVERFLOW during math routines, not parity.' The manual states that it contains a patch in Appendix C, but no Appendix C is included." Does anyone either have this TDL Appendix C or can tell me how to patch BASIC 4.0 to work on a Z80. Thanks. Rich From RCini at congressfinancial.com Thu Aug 21 09:10:00 2003 From: RCini at congressfinancial.com (Cini, Richard) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: List moderation slowdown Message-ID: <69DBC74E5784D6119BEA0090271EB8E5FA3C46@MAIL10> Please accept my concolences to you and your family. ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. First Vice President Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:39 AM To: cctech@classiccmp.org Cc: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: List moderation slowdown All posts requiring moderation (some to cctalk and all to cctech) may be delayed a few days, or slower than usual at least, due to a death in the family. I will try to pop in from time to time to take care of things, but my availability will be sparse the next few days. I apologize for any delayed posts in advance. Jay West From RCini at congressfinancial.com Thu Aug 21 09:14:00 2003 From: RCini at congressfinancial.com (Cini, Richard) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Anyone have copy of old BBS software Message-ID: <69DBC74E5784D6119BEA0090271EB8E5FA3C47@MAIL10> Hello, all: Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to do some file transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS would be a clean way to do it. Thanks. Rich Cini From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 21 09:15:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: <030820233100.8563@splab.cas.neu.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030820140116.0eb7b626@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 11:31 PM 8/20/03 -0400, you wrote: >Norton had a program called wipedisk, which wrote to the whole drive, and >there are some shareware programs also. However, if you use Fdisk and >remove all the partitions, and then create a single partition, then do >a format /U/V then that will pretty much clean out everything. I have >heard from some sources that nothing is ever completely gone and No Such >Agency can actually pull data off a drive that was erased and reformatted. >I have a hard time believing that one. It's true. Formatting a hard disk only creates a new FAT and Directory. All the data areas are intact.* It would be hard to reconstruct a file without the linkages and knowing it's starting cluster but it can be done. It's not too difficult on an ASCII file since the data is recognizable but it would be a lot more difficult for binary files. But it COULD be done. But unless you're a drug dealer or porn king it's probably not worth worrying about. Wipefile should take care of any concerns that you have. If you want to be REAL sure then take the drive and destroy it, particurly the platter(s). I had a customer that wanted to be SURE that none of her data could be recovered. I told her to take an AXE to the drive. She called me later and thanked me. She said that she really enjoyed taking out all of her computer frustrations on that drive! *MACE utilities used to have a utility to "un-format" a hard drive. It relied on previously running a program that copied the FAT and DIR to a known safe area of the drive. Unformatting became nothing more that reading that area of the drive and copying it back to the FAT and DIR. Joe Are you concerned about security, >or just erasing and initializing the Drive? > >Joe Heck From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 21 09:15:18 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: <3F4440AF.5E624674@rain.org> References: <030820233100.8563@splab.cas.neu.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030820141258.44970772@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 08:46 PM 8/20/03 -0700, you wrote: >TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu wrote: >> >> a format /U/V then that will pretty much clean out everything. I have >> heard from some sources that nothing is ever completely gone and No Such >> Agency can actually pull data off a drive that was erased and reformatted. >> I have a hard time believing that one. > >I can believe that the data can still be recovered, but I would guess >that it would take some pretty specialized equipment to measure the >magnetic field accurately enough to recover data from a formatted disk. >I would guess that the hysterisis in writing to the disk would leave >some tell tale signs of the data that was erased. That's true, if the data was truely erased. But FORMAT doesn't erase any of the data. Use Debug, Norton Editor or any of the other disk utilities and you can still read the data directly from the clusters. IIRC Norton even had a utility in some of their early packages that would search the "erased" areas of a hard drive for a given data string and then copy that cluster to a file so that you had a good chance of recovering erased files ****even without the directory entry****. This was very handy in the days before DOS 4(?). In the early DOSs the OS used the first available directory entry on the drive so if you erased a file and then created a new file, the new file would overwrite the directory entry for the erased one and prevented you from un-erasing the original file. Later DOSs were modified to use "empty" directory entries before using erased ones. That greatly increased your chances of un-erasing a file at a later date since the dirctory entry survived much longer. Joe From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Thu Aug 21 10:41:01 2003 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: List moderation slowdown Message-ID: <030821112822.8724@splab.cas.neu.edu> family comes first... From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Thu Aug 21 10:41:40 2003 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format Message-ID: <030821113038.8724@splab.cas.neu.edu> yes, but the Unconditional and Verify switches force a write to all the sectors. Well, they used to anyway. I still think they do. I may just set up a drive and test that to make sure. From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Aug 21 10:58:00 2003 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Anyone have copy of old BBS software In-Reply-To: <69DBC74E5784D6119BEA0090271EB8E5FA3C47@MAIL10> Message-ID: Rich, if you head over to http://archives.thebbs.org/ra103a.htm you'll find more BBS programs than you can shake a stick at. Check out the rest of the site as well. It's a great resource. g. On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Cini, Richard wrote: > Hello, all: > > Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC > platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to do some file > transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS > would be a clean way to do it. > > Thanks. > > Rich Cini From allain at panix.com Thu Aug 21 11:19:00 2003 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format References: <030820233100.8563@splab.cas.neu.edu> <3.0.6.16.20030820141258.44970772@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <02d601c367fe$a9be9720$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> If the LLF is not performed on IDE drives, then I wonder wonder what Format does spend its time on? I mean, on floppies a HLF takes about a second. John A. From RCini at congressfinancial.com Thu Aug 21 11:31:00 2003 From: RCini at congressfinancial.com (Cini, Richard) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Anyone have copy of old BBS software Message-ID: <69DBC74E5784D6119BEA0090271EB8E5FA3C50@MAIL10> There's some great stuff there. Any recommendations or personal preferences? -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle [mailto:geneb@deltasoft.com] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:01 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: CCTech (E-mail) Subject: Re: Anyone have copy of old BBS software Rich, if you head over to http://archives.thebbs.org/ra103a.htm you'll find more BBS programs than you can shake a stick at. Check out the rest of the site as well. It's a great resource. g. On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Cini, Richard wrote: > Hello, all: > > Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC > platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to do some file > transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS > would be a clean way to do it. > > Thanks. > > Rich Cini From vcf at siconic.com Thu Aug 21 11:44:01 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: NEC APC-H03P In-Reply-To: <3F432050.8725575E@cs.unc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Bill Yakowenko wrote: > I've got a line on a NEC APC-H03P available in Titusville > FL, from a volunteer group that sets up donated PCs for > schools. They don't care to get money for it, really just > want to find the thing a good home, but they wouldn't mind > getting a modern (pentium or newer) PC. It apparently has > 8-inch disk drives, disks, and a monitor. > > Anybody know what this thing is? CP/M maybe? It's a mid-80's business computer that can run CP/M-86 and MS-DOS. I am pretty sure it's 8086-based. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Thu Aug 21 11:48:00 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format Message-ID: <200308211639.JAA25780@clulw009.amd.com> >From: "John Allain" > >If the LLF is not performed on IDE drives, >then I wonder wonder what Format does spend its time on? >I mean, on floppies a HLF takes about a second. > >John A. > Hi John Part of Format's function is to determine if there are any bad sectors. This takes time. Usually this is done by reading a sector, writing and reading the complement then writing and reading the original This takes time. Dwight From geneb at deltasoft.com Thu Aug 21 13:15:01 2003 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Anyone have copy of old BBS software In-Reply-To: <69DBC74E5784D6119BEA0090271EB8E5FA3C50@MAIL10> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Cini, Richard wrote: > There's some great stuff there. Any recommendations or personal preferences? > > I guess it all depends on your end-goal. If you want a telnet-only BBS that doesn't need a phone line, Synchronet (http://www.synchro.net) is probably the easiest to set up and use and it supports both Unix and Win32. It's also open source and actively developed. Are you looking for something DOS based for dial-up use? g. From alberto at a2sistemi.it Thu Aug 21 14:43:00 2003 From: alberto at a2sistemi.it (Alberto Rubinelli - A2 Sistemi) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Anyone have copy of old BBS software In-Reply-To: <69DBC74E5784D6119BEA0090271EB8E5FA3C47@MAIL10> Message-ID: > Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC > platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to > do some file > transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS > would be a clean way to do it. I have the complete configuration (running ) of Maximus 3.0 or 3.1 , I don't remember the exact version. Our bbs (two line) was shutdown a few years ago, but the machines and the software are untouched :) Alberto. ------------------------------------------------------ Alberto Rubinelli Mail : alberto@a2sistemi.it A2 SISTEMI Web : www.a2sistemi.it Via Costantino Perazzi 22 Tel 0321 640149 28100 NOVARA (NO) - ITALY Fax 0321 391769 Il mio museo di vecchi computers/My old computers museum http://www.retrocomputing.net ICQ : 49872318 ODIGO : 5269083 ------------------------------------------------------ From at258 at osfn.org Thu Aug 21 15:04:00 2003 From: at258 at osfn.org (Merle K. Peirce) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: NEC APC-H03P In-Reply-To: <3F432050.8725575E@cs.unc.edu> Message-ID: Interesting machine, runs CP/M-86 and MS-DOS 2.11. On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Bill Yakowenko wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got a line on a NEC APC-H03P available in Titusville > FL, from a volunteer group that sets up donated PCs for > schools. They don't care to get money for it, really just > want to find the thing a good home, but they wouldn't mind > getting a modern (pentium or newer) PC. It apparently has > 8-inch disk drives, disks, and a monitor. > > Anybody know what this thing is? CP/M maybe? > > If interested, contact me and I'll send you their e-mail > address off-list. > > Bill. > M. K. Peirce Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc. Shady Lea, Rhode Island "Casta est quam nemo rogavit." - Ovid From Innfogra at aol.com Thu Aug 21 15:37:00 2003 From: Innfogra at aol.com (Innfogra@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: NEC APC-H03P Message-ID: <1a7.188c5472.2c76859b@aol.com> Worth saving, especially if in good condition. Color screen. Dual 1 Meg 8" floppies, External HD available (I had a NEC 5 1/4" drive for one once) . Crossover machine CPM-86 & MS-DOS, used DR's Graphic extensions (GSX?), ran AutoCAD 1.X..... Of all the collectibles that went through my hands it is one of my favorites. The biggest disadvantage is it is large and heavy. Paxton Astoria, OR From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 21 16:02:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: <02d601c367fe$a9be9720$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> References: <030820233100.8563@splab.cas.neu.edu> <3.0.6.16.20030820141258.44970772@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030820210555.57674cbc@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 12:09 PM 8/21/03 -0400, you wrote: >If the LLF is not performed on IDE drives, >then I wonder wonder what Format does spend its time on? That's a good question. However there's a LOT of clusters on a modern HD and it has to create FAT entries for all of them (actually TWO FATs) plus create a directory. Perhaps it writes and verifies those areas of the drive but not the data area. But as Gene or Fred pointed out, a LLF format on the OLD MFM drives with only 100 or 200 Mb or so took 12 plus hours to run. Imagine what it take for a modern 80Gb drive! Yes, seek time has decreased but only about a factor of two (18ms to about 9ms). FYI I just installed an 80Gb drive night before last. It took well under an hour to partition AND HL format it. >I mean, on floppies a HLF takes about a second. Then your system is a LOT faster than any I've seen. It takes at least a minute (ball park,I haven't timed it) on all that I've seen. Joe > >John A. From jpl15 at panix.com Thu Aug 21 16:03:01 2003 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: NEC APC-H03P In-Reply-To: <1a7.188c5472.2c76859b@aol.com> References: <1a7.188c5472.2c76859b@aol.com> Message-ID: I always remembered them for the rather loud "thnirrr-thnirrr, thnirrrrrr'" noise that the 8" drives made. In a quiet room, doing something disk-intensive, it soon got not-funny-anymore. ;} Cheers John From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 21 16:13:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: List moderation slowdown In-Reply-To: <002a01c367e9$a1efe400$033310ac@kwcorp.com> from "Jay West" at Aug 21, 3 08:39:23 am Message-ID: > All posts requiring moderation (some to cctalk and all to cctech) may be > delayed a few days, or slower than usual at least, due to a death in the > family. I will try to pop in from time to time to take care of things, but my My condolences to you and your family at this time. > availability will be sparse the next few days. > > I apologize for any delayed posts in advance. Don't be stupid!. I am sure everyone here understands what's important at the moment (and it's not this mailing list!). Take as much time as you need -tony From cisin at xenosoft.com Thu Aug 21 17:25:01 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030820210555.57674cbc@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <030820233100.8563@splab.cas.neu.edu> <3.0.6.16.20030820141258.44970772@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030820210555.57674cbc@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030821144808.E16360@newshell.lmi.net> > >If the LLF is not performed on IDE drives, > >then I wonder wonder what Format does spend its time on? On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > That's a good question. However there's a LOT of clusters on a modern HD > and it has to create FAT entries for all of them (actually TWO FATs) plus > create a directory. Perhaps it writes and verifies those areas of the drive > but not the data area. It definitely does write all of the directory area (boot record, FAT(s), DIR). If the /Q option is active (now default?) then that is ALL that it does. If /U is active, then it at least "VERIFIES" every cluster. Please note: no matter what is misstated in a lot of manuals, "VERIFY" does NOT compare the contents with what it should be! "VERIFY" consists of nothing more than confirming that the CRC of the data in the sector matches the CRC recorded in the header of the sector. I once had a malfunctioning floppy drive that would read, but not write. ALL DOS operations claimed to be successful, since it would NOT write, and then would successfully VERIFY the contents of the sector that it did not write. That's why in XenoCopy, I had both a VERIFY, and a COMPARE. > But as Gene or Fred pointed out, a LLF format on the OLD MFM drives with > only 100 or 200 Mb or so took 12 plus hours to run. Imagine what it take That was another Fred. But he was talking about how long SPINRITE took. LLF is a lot faster, but still a long time. For LLF, I think that Speedstor is a LOT better. SPINRITE is good for trying to recover stuff that has a lot of read errors. One of the issues about SPINRITE was Gibson's attitude about relative validity of manufacturer v field testing. He actually believed that if the manufacturer said a sector was bad, but that it read and wrote successfully, that it should be "returned to service"! He later backed down on that, and stopped making that the default. I figure that if the manufacturer said, "don't trust this sector", that they would be right. > >I mean, on floppies a HLF takes about a second. > Then your system is a LOT faster than any I've seen. It takes at least a > minute (ball park,I haven't timed it) on all that I've seen. You ar right. A REAL format is, indeed, at least a minute. But the /Q option of FORMAT causes it to do nothing more than write a blank DIRectory, which IS just seconds. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@xenosoft.com From gmanuel at gmconsulting.net Thu Aug 21 18:00:01 2003 From: gmanuel at gmconsulting.net (G Manuel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: For Trade: SGI software,manuals,keyboards,mice,machines In-Reply-To: <20030821101029.GA197093@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Mark, I would be interested in one Granite keyboard for an Indy and the Indy Owners Manual. Can you send me a list of what you are looking for in trade? You can email me direct at the address below. Thanks, Greg Manuel gmanuel at gmconsulting.net -----Original Message----- From: cctech-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Mark Grieshaber Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:10 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: For Trade: SGI software,manuals,keyboards,mice,machines I've been warned by the Gravity Patrol that critical mass has been exceeded at my home again, so I'm cleaning out duplicate and unneeded SGI software, publications, keyboards, mice, and machines. All of this is original SGI material. Some of the software is of current interest (like the IRIX 6.5 base cds). Some will be of interest to those still running IRIX 6.2 or IRIX 5.3, or if you like older hardware. Condition of everything is either unused or lightly used (though one manual has a torn cover, and another is well thumbed). All manuals are the recent ones which are either wire-bound with paper covers or stapled paper covers (depending on size). Although I've not gone through the keyboards and mice yet, I have spare of many -- I can *probably* help if you need such (including optical mice and pads) for machines including Power Series, Personal Iris, Professional Series, Crimson, Indigo, Indigo2, Indy, O2, and Octane. I also have a very nice 4D/35 Personal Iris, a fairly rare IRIS File, and a 4D/340VGX (twin tower, 4 cpu, 256Mb ram) that are also looking for good homes. My enthusiasm for packing Personal Irises is currently quite low, but I might be able to be coerced. The 340 would have to go via truck, so that would be your responsibility to arrange, or pickup is fine too. For the right trade, I'll deliver it! :) Everything is available for interesting trades. Please contact me directly via email, and I can either supply you with a list of items I'm looking for, or you can try suggesting trades at random. I very much prefer to trade, but if absolutely nothing matches up, I'll consider US$ as well. Everything is in St. Louis, MO, USA. No problem with shipping internationally on the software, publications, keyboards and mice. -- Mark Software cds: ============= IRIX 6.5 base, complete (7 cds) (needed before installing any 6.5.x release. Includes: Foundation 1, Foundation 2, IRIX 6.5 Applications, IRIX 6.5 Development Foundation, IRIX 6.5 Development Libraries, ONC3/NFS Version 3, IRIX 6.5 Base Documentation) IRIX 6.5 Applications IRIX 6.5.7 installation tools and overlays (2 cds) IRIX 6.5.6 installation tools and overlays (2 cds) IRIX 6.5.4 installation tools and overlays (2 cds) IRIX 6.5.3 installation tools and overlays (2 cds) IRIX 6.5.3 Base Documentation Trusted IRIX/CMN 6.5.3 overlays IRIX 6.5.2 installation tools and overlays (2 cds) IRIX 6.5.1 installation tools and overlays (2 cds) IRIX 6.4 for Origin, Onyx2 and Octane IRIX 6.4 Applications IRIX 6.3 for O2 including R10000 IRIX 6.3 Applications IRIX 6.2 with Indigo2 IMPACT 10000 IRIX 6.2 Applications IRIX 6.2 Auxillary Applications IRIX 5.3 IRIX 5.3 All Indigo2 IMPACT IRIX 5.3 with Presenter 175MHz and 2Mb cache NFS 4.0.1 NFS version 2 Internal Support Tools 1.0 Internal Support Tools 1.2 Diagnostics 6.0.1 Diagnostics 6.1 Developer Tools Maintenance Release 7.3.1.1m IRIX 6.3 Development Foundation IRIX 6.3 Development Libraries IRIX 6.2 Development Libraries IRIS Development Option (IDO) 4.0.1 ProDev WorkShop 2.6.5 MIPSpro C++ 6.0.2 MIPSpro Power C 6.0.2 ADA95 Compiler 1.3 MIPSpro Fortran 77 6.0.2 MIPSpro Power Fortran 77 6.0.2 MIPSpro Power Fortran 77 6.1 Fortran 77 3.4.1 Message Passing Toolkit 1.4 Documenter's Workbench 4.1.3 I also have an UNSORTED box of hundreds of surplus SGI cds. Owner's guides: =============== Octane Workstation Owner's Guide O2 Workstation Owner's Guide Indy Workstation Owner's Guide Indigo2 Workstation Owner's Guide Indigo2 IMPACT Workstation Owner's Guide Origin200 Owner's Guide Hardware installation/guide: ============================ External SCSI Device Installation Guide IndyCam Installation Guide for Indigo2 Indigo2 Video for Indigo2 IMPACT Owner's Guide (see also programmer's guide below) Software installation: ====================== IRIS Software Installation Guide Software Installation Administrator's Guide IRIX Admin: Software Installation and Licensing (note: these three are essentially the same manual. The last one listed is a later version that omits references to remote installs from tape, cpu types like Personal Iris and Power Series, old miniroot invocation, etc.) Administration: =============== Personal System Administration Guide NFS and NIS Administration Guide and Man Pages Diskless Workstation Administration Guide Network License System Administration Guide Network Computing System Administration Guide IRIS Workspace User's Guide Programming: ============ Indigo2 Video for Indigo2 IMPACT Programmer's Guide IRIX Network Programming Guide CodeVision User's Guide Volume I CodeVision User's Guide Volume II "Pipeline" magazine: ==================== This is a technical/owner's periodical. It is still being published electronically (.pdf). I have many of the print issues available. "IRIS Universe" magazine: ========================= A slick promotional/marketing magazine, no longer published. I have only a very few issues available. From patrick at evocative.com Thu Aug 21 18:04:00 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:23 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: <20030821144808.E16360@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: > It definitely does write all of the directory area (boot record, > FAT(s), DIR). > If the /Q option is active (now default?) then that is ALL that it does. Later versions of DOS also do one additional interesting thing... they copy the reserved sectors out to the end of the media (or partition for HDs), where they can used by the UNFORMAT command to magically resuscitate an accidentally formatted volume. I forget when that started... Patrick From awt at io.com Thu Aug 21 18:12:00 2003 From: awt at io.com (Wayne Talbot) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Parting with Sanyo MBC1150 In-Reply-To: <20030821140400.17161.99206.Mailman@huey.classiccmp.org> References: <20030821140400.17161.99206.Mailman@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <200308211805.12965.awt@io.com> I have need to part with my three Sanyo MBC 1150 computers. I will take best offer with pickup in the Austin Texas area (I will not ship). Two were alive when they went on the shelf, the third did not power the screen. I have no software but believe they run CPM. From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Thu Aug 21 18:50:00 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: University needs Manual for LeCroy 6010 CAMAC Magic Controller Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030821193627.00a693d0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> If anyone has a manual for a LeCroy 6010 CAMAC Magic Controller, there's a US university that needs one. They indicate a willingness to fund the project if necessary. If anyone has one they want to loan or sell, email to ... Temp Mail Best Regards From rdd at rddavis.org Thu Aug 21 19:35:00 2003 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: List moderation slowdown In-Reply-To: <002a01c367e9$a1efe400$033310ac@kwcorp.com> References: <002a01c367e9$a1efe400$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <20030822002842.GB3513@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Quothe Jay West, from writings of Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 08:39:23AM -0500: > delayed a few days, or slower than usual at least, due to a death in the Jay, my condolences to you and your family; moderation delays are most definitely understandable. > I apologize for any delayed posts in advance. There's no need, whatsoever, for an apology. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 21 22:28:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Need Ftpmgr.dll file Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030821033022.3c574aa2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> My hard drive crashed last week and I lost just about everything. I've been slowly reloading files and applications but I'm missing one badly needed file, "Ftpmgr.dll", it's part of WS-FTP. I have a copy of WS-FTP that I bought on-line less than a month ago and Ipswich is SUPPOSED to support if for a year but they've ignored my requests for a replacement copy of the program. I've spent about 5 hours and slowly retrieved all the files for WS-FTP off of the damaged drive but I have not been able to recover this one file. Does anyone have a copy of it that that can e-mail me? It should be about 273Kb and mine is dated 5/23/03. I searched the net and I found a site that is supposed to have the file posted but when I try to connect to the site the computer says that it is not a valid domain. Any idea why? From Ipswitch's registration message: "Detailed information on your purchase: Serial Number: WF-xxxxxxx Date of Purchase: Wed, 13 Aug 03 15:06:16 Quantity: 1 @ USD $39.95 each Subtotal: USD $39.95 Tax: USD $ Total: USD $39.95 Paid for in full with MasterCard Account." Joe From geoffr at zipcon.net Fri Aug 22 01:13:00 2003 From: geoffr at zipcon.net (Geoff Reed) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Anyone have copy of old BBS software In-Reply-To: <69DBC74E5784D6119BEA0090271EB8E5FA3C47@MAIL10> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030821230528.029a2b40@mail.zipcon.net> http://www.reference.com/Dir/Computers/Bulletin_Board_Systems/Software/ look at the links on that page At 10:05 AM 8/21/03 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, all: > > Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC >platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to do some file >transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS >would be a clean way to do it. > > Thanks. > >Rich Cini From n8uhn at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 01:21:00 2003 From: n8uhn at yahoo.com (Bill Allen Jr) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: IBM SYS/36 Software (was IBM 5360 FREE to good home) Message-ID: <20030822061327.14824.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> I think there was a pascal compiler - but i'm not sure. as far as copyright, ibm enforces thier copyrights - no matter how old they are - so you may not find any sys 3x stuff on the web. i checked before and did not find anything, dispite the fact that some disks can be copied to 5 1/4 or 3 1/2 useing the pc emulator and the ibm (irma?)card. i have no problem "sharing" old ibm software for the sys 3x systems on a small scale. Bill Message: 13 From: "Alberto Rubinelli - A2 Sistemi" To: Subject: RE: IBM 5360 FREE to good home Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:08:09 +0200 Reply-To: cctech@classiccmp.org > Might you have a copy of the basic compiler or basic > disk for the 5360? > > i have most of the other languages for the sys 36 but > need a copy of basic. Very interesting :) There is a pascal compiler for S36 ? I have two 5360 and other S36 smaller, but a very poor software dotation: it is possible to find software for S36 in internet ... or it's copyright ? Alberto ------------------------------------------------------ Alberto Rubinelli Mail : alberto@a2sistemi.it A2 SISTEMI Web : www.a2sistemi.it Via Costantino Perazzi 22 Tel 0321 640149 28100 NOVARA (NO) - ITALY Fax 0321 391769 Il mio museo di vecchi computers/My old computers museum http://www.retrocomputing.net ICQ : 49872318 ODIGO : 5269083 ------------------------------------------------------ --__--__-- From hansp at citem.org Fri Aug 22 02:54:00 2003 From: hansp at citem.org (hansp) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files Message-ID: <3F45CA43.7020301@citem.org> We have a couple of large format plotters in working order. One is an HP A3 plotter the other a very large Calcomp. I thought it would be nice to show these actually working and am searching for plot files of the classic pictures, for example the cut-away drawing of the space shuttle. Anyone know where such data files might be found? Regards, -- hbp From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Fri Aug 22 03:14:00 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: <3F45CA43.7020301@citem.org> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030822040444.00a66300@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Hans, I think the "cut-away drawing of the space shuttle" was a demo .dxf file that came with AutoCad. Best Regards At 09:46 AM 8/22/03 +0200, you wrote: >We have a couple of large format plotters in working order. One is an HP >A3 plotter the other a very large Calcomp. I thought it would be nice to >show these actually working and am searching for plot files of the classic >pictures, for example the cut-away drawing of the space shuttle. > >Anyone know where such data files might be found? > >Regards, > > -- hbp From hansp at citem.org Fri Aug 22 04:04:00 2003 From: hansp at citem.org (hansp) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030822040444.00a66300@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030822040444.00a66300@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Message-ID: <3F45DA86.7020205@citem.org> Mail List wrote: > Hans, > > I think the "cut-away drawing of the space shuttle" was a demo .dxf > file that came with AutoCad. Thanks for the pointer. Searching for DXF on the web throws up a bunch of possible stuff. Now to figure out how to plot DXF files cheaply! I think the shuttel picture goes back further than that. Tektronix used it extensivly in their promotions of the 40xx series, that would be late 70's -- hbp From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 22 04:05:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files References: <3F45CA43.7020301@citem.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030821091015.34bf0fb2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> It was. I'd suggest looking for an old copy of AutoCad. That will give you something to drive the plotters with and a bunch of interesting demo plots. I'm not sure if AutoCad used a dongle or not but check the docs and make sure that you get it if it requires it. FWIW I used to have a HP 7550 serial plotter connected to my PC. Windows 3.1 even had a printer driver for it. I could create text documents using MS Word and even highlight areas in it IN VARIOUS COLORS and then "print" it on the plotter. It was amazing to watch it write all the text. It would even switch pens automaticly to write the various colors of text. You couldn't use it for graphics with areas of solid colors but for line drawings, including text, it was fine. Joe At 04:05 AM 8/22/03 -0400, you wrote: >Hans, > >I think the "cut-away drawing of the space shuttle" was a demo .dxf >file that came with AutoCad. > >Best Regards > > > > >At 09:46 AM 8/22/03 +0200, you wrote: >>We have a couple of large format plotters in working order. One is an HP >>A3 plotter the other a very large Calcomp. I thought it would be nice to >>show these actually working and am searching for plot files of the classic >>pictures, for example the cut-away drawing of the space shuttle. >> >>Anyone know where such data files might be found? >> >>Regards, >> >> -- hbp From hansp at citem.org Fri Aug 22 06:33:00 2003 From: hansp at citem.org (hansp) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030821091015.34bf0fb2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <3F45CA43.7020301@citem.org> <3.0.6.16.20030821091015.34bf0fb2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F45FDA7.1040803@citem.org> Joe wrote: > FWIW I used to have a HP 7550 serial plotter connected to my PC. Windows > 3.1 even had a printer driver for it. I could create text documents using > MS Word and even highlight areas in it IN VARIOUS COLORS and then "print" > it on the plotter. It was amazing to watch it write all the text. It would > even switch pens automaticly to write the various colors of text. You > couldn't use it for graphics with areas of solid colors but for line > drawings, including text, it was fine. Yes, watching a plotter draw a complicated drawing with text etc would be an interesting exhibition element. -- hbp From allain at panix.com Fri Aug 22 07:17:00 2003 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files References: <3F45CA43.7020301@citem.org> <3.0.6.16.20030821091015.34bf0fb2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3F45FDA7.1040803@citem.org> Message-ID: <012f01c368a5$e6dc5dc0$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> > One is an HP A3 plotter the other a very large Calcomp... Fun stuff. FWIW I can create HP .PLT files for people from Corel OCR-Trace 8 and related tools. It can turn a hires image into an even higher one and then do a vector conversion of the result. (Kinda makes me want to re-create my GE servicebureau work from 1985, where I converted Applicon,CV and Calma Gerber out to other formats, including Tektronix on-screen) John A. From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 22 07:21:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: <3F45FDA7.1040803@citem.org> References: <3.0.6.16.20030821091015.34bf0fb2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3F45CA43.7020301@citem.org> <3.0.6.16.20030821091015.34bf0fb2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030821122624.407face4@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 01:25 PM 8/22/03 +0200, you wrote: >Joe wrote: >> FWIW I used to have a HP 7550 serial plotter connected to my PC. Windows >> 3.1 even had a printer driver for it. I could create text documents using >> MS Word and even highlight areas in it IN VARIOUS COLORS and then "print" >> it on the plotter. It was amazing to watch it write all the text. It would >> even switch pens automaticly to write the various colors of text. You >> couldn't use it for graphics with areas of solid colors but for line >> drawings, including text, it was fine. > >Yes, watching a plotter draw a complicated drawing with text etc would >be an interesting exhibition element. What's really interesting is to shrink the font size in the document and watch it draw those TINY little letters! It's AMAZING how accurate and repeatable the HP plotters are. FWIW I used to make all kinds of tiny labels with a RS CGP-115 printer-plotter (before I could afford HP.) Some of the letters were so small that they were barely readable. I would have kept the HP plotter if it didn't take up so darned much room! The 7550 is a great plotter. It will handle up to 17" paper, has 8 colored pens and loads and feeds paper automaticly. Around here they're throwing them out everywhere. I've seen literally hundreds of them in scrap piles. Joe > > -- hbp From at258 at osfn.org Fri Aug 22 07:38:00 2003 From: at258 at osfn.org (Merle K. Peirce) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: NEC APC-H03P In-Reply-To: <1a7.188c5472.2c76859b@aol.com> Message-ID: Actually it came in both colour and green screen varieties. On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 Innfogra@aol.com wrote: > Worth saving, especially if in good condition. Color screen. Dual 1 Meg 8" > floppies, External HD available (I had a NEC 5 1/4" drive for one once) . > Crossover machine CPM-86 & MS-DOS, used DR's Graphic extensions (GSX?), ran AutoCAD > 1.X..... > > Of all the collectibles that went through my hands it is one of my favorites. > > The biggest disadvantage is it is large and heavy. > > Paxton > Astoria, OR > M. K. Peirce Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc. Shady Lea, Rhode Island "Casta est quam nemo rogavit." - Ovid From uban at ubanproductions.com Fri Aug 22 08:10:00 2003 From: uban at ubanproductions.com (Tom Uban) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: <3F45CA43.7020301@citem.org> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030822080042.056b37d8@mail.ubanproductions.com> I still have the line drawing of the shuttle that we used in the graphics course back in college in the early 80s. I also have the program which takes the data and plots it by performing transformations and generating pen up/down/move commands. So, if you know how to control your plotter, you should be able to modify the program to do what you want. Let me know... --tom At 09:46 AM 8/22/2003 +0200, you wrote: >We have a couple of large format plotters in working order. One is an HP >A3 plotter the other a very large Calcomp. I thought it would be nice to >show these actually working and am searching for plot files of the classic >pictures, for example the cut-away drawing of the space shuttle. > >Anyone know where such data files might be found? > >Regards, > > -- hbp From curt at atarimuseum.com Fri Aug 22 10:17:00 2003 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt Vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files Message-ID: <200308221516.h7MFG5428989@huey.classiccmp.org> I thought it was Ventura Publisher for the PC version of DRI GEM? Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail List" To: Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 4:05 AM Subject: Re: Looking for plot data files > Hans, > > I think the "cut-away drawing of the space shuttle" was a demo .dxf > file that came with AutoCad. > > Best Regards > > > > > At 09:46 AM 8/22/03 +0200, you wrote: > >We have a couple of large format plotters in working order. One is an HP > >A3 plotter the other a very large Calcomp. I thought it would be nice to > >show these actually working and am searching for plot files of the classic > >pictures, for example the cut-away drawing of the space shuttle. > > > >Anyone know where such data files might be found? > > > >Regards, > > > > -- hbp From jrice54 at charter.net Fri Aug 22 11:05:00 2003 From: jrice54 at charter.net (James Rice) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: <200308221516.h7MFG5428989@huey.classiccmp.org> References: <200308221516.h7MFG5428989@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3F463BAF.5040302@charter.net> I have AutoCAD 2.17 for DOS. The shuttle orbiter is included in that package. It's a wireframe drawing. James Curt Vendel wrote: >I thought it was Ventura Publisher for the PC version of DRI GEM? > > >Curt > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mail List" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 4:05 AM >Subject: Re: Looking for plot data files > > > > >>Hans, >> >>I think the "cut-away drawing of the space shuttle" was a demo .dxf >>file that came with AutoCad. >> >>Best Regards >> >> >> >> >>At 09:46 AM 8/22/03 +0200, you wrote: >> >> >>>We have a couple of large format plotters in working order. One is an HP >>>A3 plotter the other a very large Calcomp. I thought it would be nice to >>>show these actually working and am searching for plot files of the >>> >>> >classic > > >>>pictures, for example the cut-away drawing of the space shuttle. >>> >>>Anyone know where such data files might be found? >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>> -- hbp From patrick at evocative.com Fri Aug 22 11:27:00 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: <3F45CA43.7020301@citem.org> Message-ID: > We have a couple of large format plotters in working order. One is an HP > A3 plotter the other a very large Calcomp. I thought it would be nice to > show these actually working and am searching for plot files of the > classic pictures, for example the cut-away drawing of the space shuttle. > > Anyone know where such data files might be found? > > Regards, > > -- hbp Hans, everyone has made great recommendations for file sources and various methods of translation. I have an additional alternative you might want to consider: writing your own driver program. I started my programming career working for a company that made digital mapping software, and wrote many plotter drivers (in Fortran IV even); they're generally pretty simple. HPGL in particular is dead easy. In fact, if you just connect to the plotter over the serial port using a comm program of some kind, you should be able to type the commands on the list below (very incomplete) to make things happen. With this information and a little more from web surfing, you can pretty easily translate any vector format into HPGL: SPn Select pen #n (on many you can SP0 to "unload" the pen carriage) PD Put the pen down (on the paper) PU Pick the pen up (off the paper) PAx,y Plot absolute-move to x,y; pen moves to absolute coordinate PRdx,dy Plot relative-move relative dx,dy from current position IN Initialize the plotter (resets scaling, etc.; some use DF instead) PG Eject the page (some models; roll feed may scroll) You can separate commands with a semicolon or CR/LF. So "IN;SP1;PU;PA1000,1000;PD;PR1000,0;PR0,1000;PR-1000,0;PR0,-1000;PU;PA0,0;PG" will draw a box. If memory serves, the default units of the plotter are 1/1000" of an inch, so this sequence would draw a 1" square box about 1" from the corner of the page. You need to watch out for page origin, which varies from model to model, as do its paper handling characteristics (and therefore its margins). Also be aware that some commands take longer to execute than others (a long line takes longer to draw than a short one), so your serial output should use handshaking if possible, may need to be slow if not possible--blasting a long plot out at 9600 will surely overrun the plotter and get you interesting results. If you have a LaserJet printer around, many can print HPGL directly (great for testing without burning up your pens). Just send ESC % 1 B (without spaces between) before the HPGL data. Send ESC % 1 A to get out of HPGL mode. I just tried on my LaserJet 4050, and it works fine. This, of course, is much more work than other suggestions people have made, but I myself am the sick sort that would consider this type of thing "fun". --Patrick From patrick at evocative.com Fri Aug 22 12:36:00 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Interesting Heathkit Expansion Board Message-ID: I just pulled a really interesting-looking expansion board from a dead Heathkit H-89 I acquired a few months ago, and I was wondering if anyone knew anything about it, and/or had documentation and software to support it. And I know is what I can see; can't find anything on 'net. It's an N.O.G.D.S. (New Orleans General Data Services) HA-89-3-B. This thing is a whopper, the only thing it doesn't seem to have on it is another CPU. It has: * AY-3-8910 sound chip; * SC-01-A voice processor chip; * ADC0809 (there are four ports marked JOY1-4 on the board, so I'm assuming joystick pots); * 8253 Timer chip (some of its outputs extended to a 10-pin header); * 8259 Programmable Interrupt Controller; * TMS9918 video display processor and supporting RAM (there's cable running off the board that terminates in a RCA jack), for a second video display apparently; * AM9511 math coprocessor; * a couple of PALs and the usual array of buffers and decoders. So for all things, this looks like it was meant to support some really interesting applications on the H-89, maybe drawing/CAD, etc. (but the sound and voice chips?). The machine it came in also had a battery-backed real-time clock expansion board (with AA battery that leaked down onto the flyback transformer, yuck), and a parallel port board. I'd love to play with this thing, but I thought I'd ask before I spent hours following traces... --Patrick From aek at spies.com Fri Aug 22 14:37:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Interesting Heathkit Expansion Board Message-ID: <200308221928.h7MJSv9n029050@spies.com> Interesting coincidence... I was talking to someone this week who wanted to recover some H89 discs that have the FORTH programs he wrote for using this board. I'll see if he still has the manuals. From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 22 17:27:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Interesting Heathkit Expansion Board In-Reply-To: from "Patrick Rigney" at Aug 22, 3 10:28:49 am Message-ID: > I just pulled a really interesting-looking expansion board from a dead > Heathkit H-89 I acquired a few months ago, and I was wondering if anyone > knew anything about it, and/or had documentation and software to support it. > And I know is what I can see; can't find anything on 'net. > > It's an N.O.G.D.S. (New Orleans General Data Services) HA-89-3-B. This > thing is a whopper, the only thing it doesn't seem to have on it is another > CPU. It has: > > * AY-3-8910 sound chip; > * SC-01-A voice processor chip; > * ADC0809 (there are four ports marked JOY1-4 on the board, so I'm assuming > joystick pots); > * 8253 Timer chip (some of its outputs extended to a 10-pin header); > * 8259 Programmable Interrupt Controller; > * TMS9918 video display processor and supporting RAM (there's cable running > off the board that terminates in a RCA jack), for a second video display > apparently; > * AM9511 math coprocessor; > * a couple of PALs and the usual array of buffers and decoders. > > So for all things, this looks like it was meant to support some really > interesting applications on the H-89, maybe drawing/CAD, etc. (but the sound > and voice chips?). The machine it came in also had a battery-backed > real-time clock expansion board (with AA battery that leaked down onto the > flyback transformer, yuck), and a parallel port board. > > I'd love to play with this thing, but I thought I'd ask before I spent > hours following traces... > > --Patrick From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 22 17:43:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030821122624.407face4@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> from "Joe" at Aug 21, 3 12:26:24 pm Message-ID: > repeatable the HP plotters are. FWIW I used to make all kinds of tiny > labels with a RS CGP-115 printer-plotter (before I could afford HP.) Some > of the letters were so small that they were barely readable. The CGP115 was the first printer I owned... I used to print out long BASIC and pascal program listings from my Model 1 on that device -- it would do 80 characters per line ( -- on 4" wide paper), and it was just about readable! Sure it was slow (I think 12cps was claimed), but it sure beat copying the listing from the screen by hand. And of course I could leave it clattering away while I did something else. > > I would have kept the HP plotter if it didn't take up so darned much > room! The 7550 is a great plotter. It will handle up to 17" paper, has 8 I still use HP pen plotters. I have the 7440 ColorPro which is an excellent machine, and very simple mechanicallly. One of the best stories about that device concerns the time I used it with my HP41 (I have the Plotter ROM). I hooked it up using an 82169 HPIL-HPIB interface, told the HP41 where to find it (5 SELECT, where 5 was the HPIB address), and the plotter ROM's programs worked perfectly. True plug-and-play. How many people here have the 7470 Opt 003. That's the rare one, AFAIK it was HP's only HPIL plotter. It was the 'correct' plotter for the HP41's plotter ROM, for example. I was given a broken one a few years back, one of the custom gate arrays had failed. Fortunately the same chip was used on other HP plotters, and I happened to have a suitable PCB in the junk box to raid one from... -tony From doc at mdrconsult.com Fri Aug 22 18:21:00 2003 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030820210555.57674cbc@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <030820233100.8563@splab.cas.neu.edu> <3.0.6.16.20030820141258.44970772@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030820210555.57674cbc@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F46A379.60008@mdrconsult.com> Joe wrote: > At 12:09 PM 8/21/03 -0400, you wrote: > >>If the LLF is not performed on IDE drives, >>then I wonder wonder what Format does spend its time on? > > > That's a good question. However there's a LOT of clusters on a modern HD > and it has to create FAT entries for all of them (actually TWO FATs) plus > create a directory. Perhaps it writes and verifies those areas of the drive > but not the data area. > > But as Gene or Fred pointed out, a LLF format on the OLD MFM drives with > only 100 or 200 Mb or so took 12 plus hours to run. Imagine what it take > for a modern 80Gb drive! Yes, seek time has decreased but only about a > factor of two (18ms to about 9ms). FYI I just installed an 80Gb drive > night before last. It took well under an hour to partition AND HL format it. Building a MS-DOS FAT16 or FAT32 filesystem from Linux or BSD takes seconds on a hard disk partition, and Windows or DOS have no problem with such a filesystem. I think DOS FORMAT just needs to look busy. ;) >>I mean, on floppies a HLF takes about a second. > > Then your system is a LOT faster than any I've seen. It takes at least a > minute (ball park,I haven't timed it) on all that I've seen. Linux has two common tools for doing a high-level DOS format on floppies - mformat and mkfs.msdos. Neither take more than 5 seconds to operate. Usually more like 2. A full format on a floppy from Windows 98 on my laptop (the only dual-boot machine I have) takes nearly 90 seconds, and renders the computer basically useless while it's going on. From Linux, "fdformat", which does an LLF and block-level verify on a floppy, *and* mformat or mkfs.msdos, takes about 45 seconds total, and doesn't slow down system response much at all. In short, I couldn't tell you why making a filesystem in DOS or Windows occupies near-100% CPU for days. Any number of other operating systems have proved it's not necessary. Doc From uban at ubanproductions.com Fri Aug 22 18:27:00 2003 From: uban at ubanproductions.com (Tom Uban) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030822080042.056b37d8@mail.ubanproductions.com > References: <3F45CA43.7020301@citem.org> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030822181829.02019858@mail.ubanproductions.com> For those who have a browser that supports Sun Java, you can take a look at the shuttle data that I mentioned here: http://www.ubanproductions.com/Shuttle.html --tom At 08:03 AM 8/22/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I still have the line drawing of the shuttle that we used in the graphics >course back in college in the early 80s. I also have the program which >takes the data and plots it by performing transformations and generating >pen up/down/move commands. So, if you know how to control your plotter, >you should be able to modify the program to do what you want. > >Let me know... > >--tom > >At 09:46 AM 8/22/2003 +0200, you wrote: > >>We have a couple of large format plotters in working order. One is an HP >>A3 plotter the other a very large Calcomp. I thought it would be nice to >>show these actually working and am searching for plot files of the >>classic pictures, for example the cut-away drawing of the space shuttle. >> >>Anyone know where such data files might be found? >> >>Regards, >> >> -- hbp From doc at mdrconsult.com Fri Aug 22 18:28:01 2003 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: <3F443FDA.A4428577@rain.org> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030820232011.00bb1f68@pop-server> <3F443FDA.A4428577@rain.org> Message-ID: <3F46A528.6030707@mdrconsult.com> Marvin Johnston wrote: > MFM/RLL/ESDI/etc type drives are easy to low level format, but the later > IDE drives were a problem unless you had the particular software to > format that drive. I would love to hear more from anyone that has done > low level format on the early IDE drives. I've done LLFs on 80-200MB IDE drives. IIRC, a couple of Western Digital and some Seagate Medalists. I used tools from the manufacturers' FTP sites, and was able to recover the use of the drives. It took several hours on each drive, and none of them ever performed very well afterward. They were reliable, but very very slow. That may have been because I knew nothing about the process that wasn't in the README files. :) Doc From vcf at siconic.com Fri Aug 22 19:24:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030822181829.02019858@mail.ubanproductions.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Tom Uban wrote: > For those who have a browser that supports Sun Java, you can take > a look at the shuttle data that I mentioned here: > > http://www.ubanproductions.com/Shuttle.html I guess IE6 doesn't support Java anymore(?) Fucking Microsoft. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From jrasite at eoni.com Fri Aug 22 22:33:00 2003 From: jrasite at eoni.com (Jim Arnott) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F46DE83.30605@eoni.com> It hain't just M$. Mozilla 1.3 won't open it either. Jim Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Tom Uban wrote: > > > >>For those who have a browser that supports Sun Java, you can take >>a look at the shuttle data that I mentioned here: >> >>http://www.ubanproductions.com/Shuttle.html >> >> > >I guess IE6 doesn't support Java anymore(?) > >Fucking Microsoft. From uban at ubanproductions.com Fri Aug 22 23:37:00 2003 From: uban at ubanproductions.com (Tom Uban) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030822181829.02019858@mail.ubanproductions.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030822232651.0203c1f8@mail.ubanproductions.com> You may need to install the J2RE from Sun. http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/download.html It also takes a bit for the image to show up as it is Java processing 2713 lines of floating point x/y start/end points and transforms. --tom At 05:08 PM 8/22/2003 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Tom Uban wrote: > > > For those who have a browser that supports Sun Java, you can take > > a look at the shuttle data that I mentioned here: > > > > http://www.ubanproductions.com/Shuttle.html > >I guess IE6 doesn't support Java anymore(?) > >Fucking Microsoft. > >-- > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > >[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] >[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From esharpe at uswest.net Sat Aug 23 00:40:00 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: donner analog computer References: <200308192045.NAA23919@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <001601c36937$fb5f7240$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> thanks for the hints on the caps! ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwight K. Elvey" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:45 PM Subject: Re: donner analog computer > >From: "Doug Coward" > > > > > I sent this reply a couple of days ago but it never > >appeared in the digest so I can only assume that > >it went into the univeral bit bucket. Here it is again. > >======== Resending ================== > >Ed sharpe wrote: > >> Please see the Donner analog computer at: > >> http://www.smecc.org/analog_computers.htm > >> we would like to get enough stuff and some docs to get it operational. > > > > I have the "Instruction Manual" that includes operation, servicing, > >part lists, and schematics. > > > >Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > >>Ed, what model number is this? > > > >The top three panels make up a rack mounted model 3500. > >I can't see enough detail of the bottom two panels to tell > >for sure, probably some kind of accessories. > > > >Ed sharpe wrote: > >>it says donner 3500 as I remember. so it is earlier than a > >>sysdon donner, although I remember the instruction manual > >>( lost probably 20 years ago during a computer exchange inc. > >>warehouse clean out party) said sysdon donner.... > > > >The manuals says manufactured by Donner Scientific Company > >a division of Systron-Donner Corporation. > > > >>what would you folks date it at? > > > >The manual is dated January 1960 > > > >>I remember there was also a bag of little rectangular boxes with > >>jack tips on them that help components also. ( again missing) > > > >I would bet good money that the banana jacks on the patch > >panel are exactly 3/4" apart. In that case you can use a double > >banana plug as a component holder. > > Hi Ed > I do have a number of the Donner resistor patches and a > few of the capacitor patches. As Doug states, the resistor/cap > patches can be made with standard dual banana plugs. The > resistors usually start at about 10K and go up to 10M. > Values of 1,2,5,10 are typical. You want these to be stackable. > The capacitors are 0.1 and 1.0 uf. You want to use caps with > low dielectric absorption and good temp stability. These > are used for integrators that can run over several seconds. > And, no, I don't want to part with my patches. Pomona > makes what you need. > Dwight > > > > >>in the library here we do have a copy of the korn and korn > >>book on analog computers. > > > >Just about a month ago I got an email from Granino Korn > >saying how much he like my little museum. > > --Doug > >========================================= > >Doug Coward > >@ home in Poulsbo, WA > > > >Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center > >http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog > >========================================= From esharpe at uswest.net Sat Aug 23 00:41:03 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: donner analog computer References: <200308192045.NAA23919@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <001601c36937$fb5f7240$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> thanks for the hints on the caps! ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwight K. Elvey" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:45 PM Subject: Re: donner analog computer > >From: "Doug Coward" > > > > > I sent this reply a couple of days ago but it never > >appeared in the digest so I can only assume that > >it went into the univeral bit bucket. Here it is again. > >======== Resending ================== > >Ed sharpe wrote: > >> Please see the Donner analog computer at: > >> http://www.smecc.org/analog_computers.htm > >> we would like to get enough stuff and some docs to get it operational. > > > > I have the "Instruction Manual" that includes operation, servicing, > >part lists, and schematics. > > > >Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > >>Ed, what model number is this? > > > >The top three panels make up a rack mounted model 3500. > >I can't see enough detail of the bottom two panels to tell > >for sure, probably some kind of accessories. > > > >Ed sharpe wrote: > >>it says donner 3500 as I remember. so it is earlier than a > >>sysdon donner, although I remember the instruction manual > >>( lost probably 20 years ago during a computer exchange inc. > >>warehouse clean out party) said sysdon donner.... > > > >The manuals says manufactured by Donner Scientific Company > >a division of Systron-Donner Corporation. > > > >>what would you folks date it at? > > > >The manual is dated January 1960 > > > >>I remember there was also a bag of little rectangular boxes with > >>jack tips on them that help components also. ( again missing) > > > >I would bet good money that the banana jacks on the patch > >panel are exactly 3/4" apart. In that case you can use a double > >banana plug as a component holder. > > Hi Ed > I do have a number of the Donner resistor patches and a > few of the capacitor patches. As Doug states, the resistor/cap > patches can be made with standard dual banana plugs. The > resistors usually start at about 10K and go up to 10M. > Values of 1,2,5,10 are typical. You want these to be stackable. > The capacitors are 0.1 and 1.0 uf. You want to use caps with > low dielectric absorption and good temp stability. These > are used for integrators that can run over several seconds. > And, no, I don't want to part with my patches. Pomona > makes what you need. > Dwight > > > > >>in the library here we do have a copy of the korn and korn > >>book on analog computers. > > > >Just about a month ago I got an email from Granino Korn > >saying how much he like my little museum. > > --Doug > >========================================= > >Doug Coward > >@ home in Poulsbo, WA > > > >Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center > >http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog > >========================================= From allain at panix.com Sat Aug 23 07:38:00 2003 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files References: Message-ID: <003501c36972$132536a0$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> My browser supports Java, but won't activate Tom's production. FYI. (a small test for positive) http://javaboutique.internet.com/JDLunarLander/ >> http://www.ubanproductions.com/Shuttle.html > I guess IE6 doesn't support Java anymore(?) John A. From Peter.Hicks at POGGS.CO.UK Sat Aug 23 10:39:01 2003 From: Peter.Hicks at POGGS.CO.UK (Peter Hicks) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: OpenVMS etc. Message-ID: <3F4788D9.9020209@POGGS.CO.UK> All, I have a VAXstation 3100 M38 and OpenVMS 7.3. I don't have any other CDs - so I can't load TCP/IP support and start doing Useful Things(TM). Does anyone have an FTP or website where I can download TCP/IP for VMS? Peter. From vcf at siconic.com Sat Aug 23 13:09:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Vintage computer siting on TV Message-ID: I just saw a pretty funny old computer siting: The UNIVAC (or a fantastical rendition of it) appears in a Daffy Duck cartoon set in a futuristic-themed detective scenario :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From healyzh at aracnet.com Sat Aug 23 13:42:00 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: OpenVMS etc. In-Reply-To: <3F4788D9.9020209@POGGS.CO.UK> References: <3F4788D9.9020209@POGGS.CO.UK> Message-ID: >I have a VAXstation 3100 M38 and OpenVMS 7.3. I don't have any other CDs - so I can't load TCP/IP support and start doing Useful Things(TM). > >Does anyone have an FTP or website where I can download TCP/IP for VMS? Are you using the Hobbyist Licenses? If so if you order the Hobbyist CD (I think it's $30) you'll be able to get OpenVMS 7.3, TCPIP, and some other layered products. Other options are to watch eBay for ConDist's, or look for the CMUIP TCP Stack (it's a free stack, but I don't know if it will run on 7.3). BTW, unless you have DECnet or Kermit on the system, how would you get anything you downloaded onto the VAX? Something to think about. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From Peter.Hicks at POGGS.CO.UK Sat Aug 23 13:53:00 2003 From: Peter.Hicks at POGGS.CO.UK (Peter Hicks) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: OpenVMS etc. In-Reply-To: References: <3F4788D9.9020209@POGGS.CO.UK> Message-ID: <3F47B63F.1090303@POGGS.CO.UK> Zane H. Healy wrote: > Are you using the Hobbyist Licenses? If so if you order the Hobbyist > CD (I think it's $30) you'll be able to get OpenVMS 7.3, TCPIP, and > some other layered products. Aha, enlightenment - cheers. I bought the Hobbyist CD, and I'm not sure how to load TCPIP on to the box. I guess there's a FAQ or documentation somewhere I'm missing...? > BTW, unless you have DECnet or Kermit on the system, how would you > get anything you downloaded onto the VAX? Something to think about. ...and that was the other problem :-) I'll give TCPIP from the Hobbyist CD a go. Thanks for your help! Peter. From patrick at evocative.com Sat Aug 23 13:54:00 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Vintage computer siting on TV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The UNIVAC (or a fantastical rendition of it) appears in a Daffy Duck > cartoon set in a futuristic-themed detective scenario :) I'm glad I'm not the only person who still likes to watch Saturday morning cartoons. ;-) --Patrick From wh.sudbrink at verizon.net Sat Aug 23 15:44:00 2003 From: wh.sudbrink at verizon.net (Bill Sudbrink) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Vintage computer siting on TV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> The UNIVAC (or a fantastical rendition of it) appears in a Daffy Duck >> cartoon set in a futuristic-themed detective scenario :) > >I'm glad I'm not the only person who still likes to watch Saturday morning >cartoons. ;-) --Patrick It's duck season! From bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca Sat Aug 23 16:04:00 2003 From: bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca (Ben Franchuk) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Vintage computer siting on TV References: Message-ID: <3F47D3A5.1050209@jetnet.ab.ca> Bill Sudbrink wrote: >>>The UNIVAC (or a fantastical rendition of it) appears in a Daffy Duck >>>cartoon set in a futuristic-themed detective scenario :) >> >>I'm glad I'm not the only person who still likes to watch Saturday morning >>cartoons. ;-) --Patrick > It's duck season! Wabbit season! I like Japanese anime better than what America shows Saturday mornings. But it does seem the internet is becoming the 2000's babysitter as TV was in 70's to the 90's. Sadly what seams to lacking is the quality of children's and adult hobbies, people don't do craftsmanship any more. From coredump at gifford.co.uk Sat Aug 23 16:19:01 2003 From: coredump at gifford.co.uk (John Honniball) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: VT320 terminals available, Bristol UK Message-ID: <3F47D8A3.9070800@gifford.co.uk> I have a couple of VT320 serial terminals available if anybody can use 'em. Baud rates up to 19200. Suitable for logging into a Linux box (or similar Unix box) over a serial port, or for setting up networking gear via a serial console port, or for many other classic computer applications. Free to collector, North Bristol (M4/M5 junction), UK. -- John Honniball coredump@gifford.co.uk From healyzh at aracnet.com Sat Aug 23 21:28:00 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: OpenVMS etc. In-Reply-To: <3F47B63F.1090303@POGGS.CO.UK> References: <3F4788D9.9020209@POGGS.CO.UK> <3F47B63F.1090303@POGGS.CO.UK> Message-ID: >Aha, enlightenment - cheers. I bought the Hobbyist CD, and I'm not sure how to load TCPIP on to the box. I guess there's a FAQ or documentation somewhere I'm missing...? Check the Montagar website, there should be something there about how to install the OS. Otherwise go to the HP website and check out the doc's. I'm not to sure how the VAX Hobbyist V3 CD is layed out, as I've not gotten a copy yet. It might be as simple as a PRODUCT INSTALL TCPIP and giving it the location of the TCPIP kit (this assumes that TCPIP is a PCSI kit). Otherwise it's probably something like @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL TCPIP051 {the Location} Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From mtapley at swri.edu Sat Aug 23 22:20:00 2003 From: mtapley at swri.edu (Mark Tapley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030822232651.0203c1f8@mail.ubanproductions.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030822181829.02019858@mail.ubanproductions.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030822232651.0203c1f8@mail.ubanproductions.com> Message-ID: FWIW, Safari 1.0 on my Mac OS 10.2.6 laptop does handle it - but yes, it does take 10-15 seconds or so. The Lunar-lander also works. Microsoft characterization seconded. -- - Mark 210-522-6025, page 888-733-0967 From vance at neurotica.com Sat Aug 23 23:41:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: OpenVMS etc. In-Reply-To: <3F47B63F.1090303@POGGS.CO.UK> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Peter Hicks wrote: > > Are you using the Hobbyist Licenses? If so if you order the Hobbyist > > CD (I think it's $30) you'll be able to get OpenVMS 7.3, TCPIP, and > > some other layered products. > > Aha, enlightenment - cheers. I bought the Hobbyist CD, and I'm not sure > how to load TCPIP on to the box. I guess there's a FAQ or documentation > somewhere I'm missing...? I would download Multinet, if I were you. Works better than DEC TCP/IP IMHO. It's also available with a hobbyist license, albeit a separate one. Peace... Sridhar From dittman at dittman.net Sun Aug 24 00:22:00 2003 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: OpenVMS etc. In-Reply-To: from "vance@neurotica.com" at Aug 24, 2003 12:33:24 AM Message-ID: <20030824051446.282F27F83@dittman.net> > > > Are you using the Hobbyist Licenses? If so if you order the Hobbyist > > > CD (I think it's $30) you'll be able to get OpenVMS 7.3, TCPIP, and > > > some other layered products. > > > > Aha, enlightenment - cheers. I bought the Hobbyist CD, and I'm not sure > > how to load TCPIP on to the box. I guess there's a FAQ or documentation > > somewhere I'm missing...? > > I would download Multinet, if I were you. Works better than DEC TCP/IP > IMHO. It's also available with a hobbyist license, albeit a separate one. The TCP/IP stack I prefer depends on the primary system function. Also, the V5.1 and later versions of the DEC/Hpaq versions of the TCP/IP stack work much better than the earlier versions. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From esharpe at uswest.net Sun Aug 24 00:57:00 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Interesting Burroughs Photo Site References: <200308081653.JAA13266@clulw009.amd.com> <3F33DACA.4080807@citem.org> <003001c35dd3$31ecf000$347ca418@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <00b401c36a03$66fdefb0$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> we have a nice old Electrodata ( probaby for a 205) tape.... what are the odds the data ( if any) is still good? Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeoZ" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Interesting Burroughs Photo Site > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hansp" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: Interesting Burroughs Photo Site > > > > Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > It is best to save as much older media as possible but one > > > also needs to be realistic. A room full of tapes can easily > > > be put onto a single disk drive of today. First level of importance > > > is to save the information. > > > > I absolutely agree. We have a boatload of tapes reels, tape cassettes of > > different descritptions, floppy disks of all sizes. But the most > > important part, the data on those media is normally ignored. I hear the > > comment "Why do we need ANOTHER box of floopies, we already have 20" - > > makes my blood boil.... I really must get round to starting to read > > those tapes. > > > > After we retores our PDP-9, I strated looking amongst the 100 or so > > DECtapes we had and found a pair that appeared, from their labels, to > > contain a copy of DOS-15. Now DOS-15 was considered lost forever. > > Anyways to cut a long story short, we managed to recover the data and > > got DOS-15 opeartional again on the SIMH simulator. For more details > > read Bo Supniks paper here : > > > > http://simh.trailing-edge.com/docs/advmonsys.pdf > > > > -- hbp > > > Its the same for any generation of hardware. Even if you can find the > hardware the manuals were the first to get tossed/lost by the original owner > followed shortly after by all the software once it wasnt used for anything > anymore. Even if people keep juggling the software media to newer storage > unless you have the original documentation nobody will know what to do with > it in 30 years time. A computer without software is nothing but a > paperweight (or for newer machines a very expensive and inneficient hair > dryers) From mikeford at socal.rr.com Sun Aug 24 03:05:00 2003 From: mikeford at socal.rr.com (Mike Ford) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: ACCRC really irked me In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030823155534.00a201b0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Alameda County Computer Resource Center has often been mentioned as a nice place to visit, and a good resource for older computer items. I made a BIG detour on our vacation and stopped in last Thursday, and they are neither. No looking, no help, nothing sold, in short please go away. Maybe it was just the weinie of the day in charge, but it was still a total waste of time. From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 24 04:47:01 2003 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:24 2005 Subject: Shugart 801 floppy drives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030824093908.34665.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Does anybody know of any resources on the 'net for Shugart 801 8" drive info? (data / power connector information, PSU voltages etc.) I have one in a machine with booting problems and I'd like to do some initial diagnostics on. cheers Jules ===== Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From waltje at pdp11.nl Sun Aug 24 05:10:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Vintage computer siting on TV In-Reply-To: <3F47D3A5.1050209@jetnet.ab.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Ben Franchuk wrote: > Bill Sudbrink wrote: > >>>The UNIVAC (or a fantastical rendition of it) appears in a Daffy Duck > >>>cartoon set in a futuristic-themed detective scenario :) > >> > >>I'm glad I'm not the only person who still likes to watch Saturday morning > >>cartoons. ;-) --Patrick > > It's duck season! > > Wabbit season! Hmm, I prefer to watch little pussies on sun mornings. The black-haired and long-tailed variants, that is, don't be gettin' any wrong ideas now. Tom and Jerry are, and will alwas be, my lifetime heroes :) --f From waltje at pdp11.nl Sun Aug 24 05:17:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: OpenVMS etc. In-Reply-To: <3F47B63F.1090303@POGGS.CO.UK> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Peter Hicks wrote: > Zane H. Healy wrote: > > > Are you using the Hobbyist Licenses? If so if you order the Hobbyist > > CD (I think it's $30) you'll be able to get OpenVMS 7.3, TCPIP, and > > some other layered products. > > Aha, enlightenment - cheers. I bought the Hobbyist CD, and I'm not sure > how to load TCPIP on to the box. I guess there's a FAQ or documentation > somewhere I'm missing...? Depending on what version of UCX they included with 7.3 (I still have the old kit), you can use "vmsinstal" (old packages using the SETLD distribution format) or "installprod" (new packages) scripts to start the installation. Assuming you have a working CDROM drive on the box, you can MOUNT the CDROM drive, set the default directory to the KITS folder on the CDROM, and do the "vmsinstal ucx" or "installprod ucx", and any other package included. There used to be a small HOWTO text file included on that CDROM. Cheers, Fred From uban at ubanproductions.com Sun Aug 24 08:36:01 2003 From: uban at ubanproductions.com (Tom Uban) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Shugart 801 floppy drives In-Reply-To: <20030824093908.34665.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030824082823.05880bb0@mail.ubanproductions.com> Did you look here? http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/shugart/ --tom At 10:39 AM 8/24/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >Does anybody know of any resources on the 'net for Shugart 801 8" drive info? >(data / power connector information, PSU voltages etc.) > >I have one in a machine with booting problems and I'd like to do some initial >diagnostics on. > >cheers > >Jules > > >===== >Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to >make a bell ring. > >________________________________________________________________________ >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! >Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 24 09:01:00 2003 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Shugart 801 floppy drives In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030824082823.05880bb0@mail.ubanproductions.com> Message-ID: <20030824135324.5054.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> --- Tom Uban wrote: > Did you look here? > > http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/shugart/ no - that looks great, thanks! Jules ===== Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From rhudson at cnonline.net Sun Aug 24 09:20:01 2003 From: rhudson at cnonline.net (Ron Hudson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: ACCRC really irked me In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030823155534.00a201b0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 06:02 PM, Mike Ford wrote: > Alameda County Computer Resource Center has often been mentioned as a > nice place to visit, and a good resource for older computer items. I > made a BIG detour on our vacation and stopped in last Thursday, and > they are neither. No looking, no help, nothing sold, in short please > go away. Maybe it was just the weinie of the day in charge, but it was > still a total waste of time. > > The first time I went, It was great, I left off a fair ammount of good-but-old-and-unuseable by me stuff, and walked a way with a AppleIIc+, a great little machine - with all kinds of goodies. The second time it was like you said. I think some tax-type got ahold of them and told them that they were selling without withholding sales tax. They said the could only sell to someone who had a resale license. (but they could 'donate' the equipment to me if I 'donated' to the 'pizza fund') And I also got the 'scram ya bother us kid' feeling from them. From alhartman at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 09:50:00 2003 From: alhartman at yahoo.com (Al Hartman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Mindset Computer In-Reply-To: <20030823170001.42086.5502.Mailman@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <20030824144159.35320.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com> Just visited a friend who wanted to get his Mindset Computer working. We got it up and running, but we couldn't get it to boot from floppy. Either his drives have gone bad (unused for at least 10 years), or the diskettes have (from 1985). So... I'm on the lookout for a working Mindset Computer AND/OR copies of the boot disks for it. If you have either, please let me know... Regards, Al Hartman From vcf at siconic.com Sun Aug 24 11:37:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: ACCRC really irked me In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030823155534.00a201b0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Mike Ford wrote: > Alameda County Computer Resource Center has often been mentioned as a nice > place to visit, and a good resource for older computer items. I made a BIG > detour on our vacation and stopped in last Thursday, and they are neither. > No looking, no help, nothing sold, in short please go away. Maybe it was > just the weinie of the day in charge, but it was still a total waste of time. Hi Mike. At one point they did sell stuff but that stopped over a year ago, and was limited to website sales. In the distant past they sold stuff to the public, but that turned into a big hassle. The only people they allow in to look around are folks who volunteer time. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Sun Aug 24 11:50:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: ACCRC really irked me In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Ron Hudson wrote: > The first time I went, It was great, I left off a fair ammount of > good-but-old-and-unuseable by me stuff, and walked a way with a > AppleIIc+, a great little machine - with > all kinds of goodies. > > The second time it was like you said. I think some tax-type got ahold > of them and told them that they were selling without withholding sales > tax. They said the could > only sell to someone who had a resale license. (but they could > 'donate' the equipment to me if I 'donated' to the 'pizza fund') And I > also got the 'scram ya bother us kid' > feeling from them. Ron, the first time was because you were there as my guest. And since I had my collection stored there I was part of the team and was allowed certain priveleges. All the stuff you walked away with was stuff that I was entitled to let you take because it was vintage stuff (it would've been scrapped anyway). And a lot of it you got for free (if not all of it, I can't remember). I don't remember about the second time but indeed, if people want to take a small piece of miscellaneous hardware, it is customary to feed their pizza fund jar. It is true that they cannot legally sell stuff without the buyer having a valid resale license, otherwise they would have to charge sales tax and keep everything above board because they are obligated to. That is too much hassle for them. It's not too much to ask for a non-profit organization that is perpetually running at a deficit. And even then, you still have to be accompanied by someone who has significant clout there. If you were to walk in off the street they would boot you out the door very quickly, and for good reason. If they didn't, they would have a constant stream of all sorts of riffraff walking in there, making a mess, expecting help, causing problems, getting hurt, raising their insurance, etc. Look at it from the point of view of the ACCRC. Imagine that you are a non-profit with very limited resources, just barely getting by in the weakest economy in memory, sometimes behind on all sorts of bills, and having to worry about keeping the business afloat. Now imagine having over ten years of experiences to determine what does and does not work. Maybe then you can understand why they would rather not deal with people coming in off the street to buy stuff. The ACCRC does have some stuff for the public to come in and utilize (a free internet cafe for example) but in order to be priveleged enough to become part of the crew there you must dedicate a LOT of your time to helping them out. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Sun Aug 24 12:06:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Bounty: FreezeFrame by Delta Microsystems ($$$) Message-ID: I'm seeking out the software called FreezeFrame v1.0 written by Delta Microsystems and sold by Peripheral Devices Corporation in 1993. This was a backup program for Unix-based systems. The actual software or a user's guide will do, but it must be for version 1.0. This is a bounty so I'm offering a cash reward for the capture of this software. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From curt at atarimuseum.com Sun Aug 24 12:52:00 2003 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt Vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Mindset Computer Message-ID: <200308241751.h7OHpF451253@huey.classiccmp.org> Al, Get in touch with me: curt@atarimuseum.com and I'll help you out, I've got about 4-5 Mindsets, a few expansion options, spare power supplies, floppy drives, mice, joysticks, original oem disks and other Mindset goodies, I can help you out. Curt > Just visited a friend who wanted to get his Mindset > Computer working. > > We got it up and running, but we couldn't get it to > boot from floppy. > > Either his drives have gone bad (unused for at least > 10 years), or the diskettes have (from 1985). > > So... > > I'm on the lookout for a working Mindset Computer > AND/OR copies of the boot disks for it. > > If you have either, please let me know... > > Regards, > Al Hartman From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 24 12:55:01 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Shugart 801 floppy drives In-Reply-To: <20030824093908.34665.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> from "=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=" at Aug 24, 3 10:39:08 am Message-ID: > Hi, > > Does anybody know of any resources on the 'net for Shugart 801 8" drive info? > (data / power connector information, PSU voltages etc.) Not on the net, but I have the full (paper) service manual for these drives, including (of course) schematics. If there's anything you want me to look up, then just ask. -tony From allain at panix.com Sun Aug 24 13:58:00 2003 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: ACCRC really irked me References: Message-ID: <003f01c36a70$509c2e40$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> I understand the reasons for this, but here are some suggestions for ways out: Advertize a VCF day out at the ACCRC, if such a thing is possible. Sellam would have to host . Heck, I would offer to do it if I lived there. ACCRC allows _escorted_ visitors for a proper charge, like $10 / half-hour. Offsets a deficit immediately, without a necessary sale, and cuts out riff-raff. And for sales tax, I like the shorthand way, charge a whole amount, write down what you charged, divide it up at the end of the day into tax & receivables. John A. just my $.02K = $18.35 + $1.65. blah. From Peter.Hicks at POGGS.CO.UK Sun Aug 24 14:12:00 2003 From: Peter.Hicks at POGGS.CO.UK (Peter Hicks) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: OpenVMS etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F490C45.6050609@POGGS.CO.UK> Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > Assuming you have a working CDROM drive on the box, you can MOUNT > the CDROM drive, set the default directory to the KITS folder on > the CDROM, and do the "vmsinstal ucx" or "installprod ucx", and > any other package included. There used to be a small HOWTO text > file included on that CDROM. This is my first dip in to OpenVMS. Could you give me an idiot's guide to mounting the CD-ROM and installing TCP/IP? Coming from a strong UNIX and Windows background, VMS is confusing me! Best wishes, Peter. From rhudson at cnonline.net Sun Aug 24 15:38:00 2003 From: rhudson at cnonline.net (Ron Hudson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: ACCRC really irked me In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 11:34 AM, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Ron Hudson wrote: > >> The first time I went, It was great, I left off a fair ammount of >> good-but-old-and-unuseable by me stuff, and walked a way with a >> AppleIIc+, a great little machine - with >> all kinds of goodies. >> >> The second time it was like you said. I think some tax-type got ahold >> of them and told them that they were selling without withholding sales >> tax. They said the could >> only sell to someone who had a resale license. (but they could >> 'donate' the equipment to me if I 'donated' to the 'pizza fund') And >> I >> also got the 'scram ya bother us kid' >> feeling from them. > > Ron, the first time was because you were there as my guest. And since > I > had my collection stored there I was part of the team and was allowed > certain priveleges. All the stuff you walked away with was stuff that > I > was entitled to let you take because it was vintage stuff (it would've > been scrapped anyway). And a lot of it you got for free (if not all of > it, I can't remember). Yes, I remember I did visit you as well Sellam. Well, I paid between $40 and $80, and donated stuff (my stuff may have been considered "vintage" as well. I think my brother and I also donated some time either the first time or the second time. (well only about 4 hours each) > > I don't remember about the second time but indeed, if people want to > take > a small piece of miscellaneous hardware, it is customary to feed their > pizza fund jar. It is true that they cannot legally sell stuff without > the buyer having a valid resale license, otherwise they would have to > charge sales tax and keep everything above board because they are > obligated to. That is too much hassle for them. You weren't there for the second time. I had not realized I needed to have a sponsor. I understand about the Tax issues. > > It's not too much to ask for a non-profit organization that is > perpetually running at a deficit. And even then, you still have to be > accompanied by someone who has significant clout there. If you were > to walk in off the street they would boot you out the door very > quickly, > and for good reason. If they didn't, they would have a constant > stream of > all sorts of riffraff walking in there, making a mess, expecting help, > causing problems, getting hurt, raising their insurance, etc. Oh, Rifraff are we?? : ^ ) <<----- please note smiley > > Look at it from the point of view of the ACCRC. Imagine that you are > a > non-profit with very limited resources, just barely getting by in the > weakest economy in memory, sometimes behind on all sorts of bills, and > having to worry about keeping the business afloat. Now imagine having > over ten years of experiences to determine what does and does not work. > Maybe then you can understand why they would rather not deal with > people > coming in off the street to buy stuff. > > The ACCRC does have some stuff for the public to come in and utilize (a > free internet cafe for example) but in order to be priveleged enough to > become part of the crew there you must dedicate a LOT of your time to > helping them out. Well it's all water under the bridge... I have moved to Kansas City MO Sellam, Thanks for your help. > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer > Festival > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger > http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage > Computers ] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at > http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From spc at conman.org Sun Aug 24 15:48:00 2003 From: spc at conman.org (Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: A large classic video game collection Message-ID: <20030824204002.8FFF3140B64F@swift.conman.org> I came across a site of a person who has a rather large collection of old video game systems who took plenty of pictures of it: http://www.videogamearchive.com/roomdoom/ I thought it might be of some interest here. -spc (It's an impressive collection ... ) From teoz at neo.rr.com Sun Aug 24 16:13:00 2003 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (TeoZ) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: A large classic video game collection References: <20030824204002.8FFF3140B64F@swift.conman.org> Message-ID: <002a01c36a83$26940240$347ca418@neo.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner" To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: A large classic video game collection > I came across a site of a person who has a rather large collection of old > video game systems who took plenty of pictures of it: > > http://www.videogamearchive.com/roomdoom/ > > I thought it might be of some interest here. > > -spc (It's an impressive collection ... ) Interesting collection, the whole collection can be emulated on one dreamcast with maybe a dozen cd's. Still nothing beats the real thing.. if you have the space. From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Sun Aug 24 16:39:00 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030824173105.00a64590@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2552753957 From emu at ecubics.com Sun Aug 24 16:52:00 2003 From: emu at ecubics.com (emanuel stiebler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: kennedy 9300 tape drive Message-ID: <3F493365.4080905@ecubics.com> Anybody out here has a manual for this one ? cheers & thanks From mvg1 at earthlink.net Sun Aug 24 17:03:01 2003 From: mvg1 at earthlink.net (Mark Grieshaber) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: For Trade: SGI 4D series boards, memory, etc Message-ID: <20030824215430.GA217565@earthlink.net> Gravity patrol stopped by again with another warning. Now I'm moving the SGI 4D series material out. Trades have priority -- email me directly and I'll send you my list of items I'm looking for. Please feel free to suggest other trades, or I'll sell outright. I'm willing to ship internationally. These boards were all either removed during upgrades, or salvaged from machines being discarded. All have been stored inside in antistatic packaging. That said, I can't currently test any of them, so all are "as is". None of the memory boards includes simms -- although I have quite a stack of various sized memory simms available as well. Note that these boards/bits all are applicable to SGI 4D series machines, mostly including 4D/3x0 and 4D/4x0 machines, but also some Personal Iris and Professional Iris machines. A "?" in the list below means either I didn't see the info (like a build date on a board), or I'm uncertain of identification (which is why I'm including the part number from the board). "3rd" indicates a third party produced board (marketed and sold by SGI, but manufactured by a third party). Mark mvg1@earthlink.net SGI 4D series boards: ===================== 030-1055-001F 1996 DG5 DisplayGen 030-0156-004C 1992 RM2 RasterMgr, VGX 030-0122-015E 1988 IP4.5 Cpu, 4D80 030-0076-003A 1987 GM1 GeometryMgr 030-0213-005B 1990 GM3 GeometryMgr 030-0049-001D 1989 ? SMD controller? 030-0149-015A 1989 IP9 Cpu, R3K 030-0118-005A 1988 IO2 I/O 030-0306-002x 1995 CG3 ?Graphics Out, PI? 030-0284-005A 1993 ? w/cables 030-0347-002B 1992 RM5 RasterMgr 030-0753-005? ? SAMZ Onyx/Chall audio/ser 030-0753-005I 1995 SAMZ Onyx/Chall audio/ser 030-0077-001M 1987 RV1 GTX, video w/alpha 030-0117-034C 1988 MC2 Memory 030-0083-002B 1988 IP5 Cpu, R2K dual 013-7052-010 1991 ? 3rd: Interphase 013-0207-001F ? ? extender adapter 030-0076-005D 1987 GM1 GeometryMgr, Prof. 030-0118-005A 1988 IO2 I/O 030-0153-004D 1989? GE6 GeometryEng, VGX 030-0220-001A 1989 RM3 RasterMgr, upgraded 030-0347-002B 1992 RM5 RasterMgr, Onyx RE2 030-0347-002B 1992 RM5 RasterMgr, Onyx RE2 013-0204-001B ? ? 3rd, ethernet? 030-0360-001B 1992 RM4 RasterMgr, Onyx RE2 030-0382-008B 1990 GM3 GeometryMgr 030-0149-0134 1989 IP9 Cpu, R3K, upgrade 030-0083-002B 1988 IP5 Cpu, R2K dual 030-0013-003G 1987 GF3 ?Professional Iris? 030-0363-005C ? GE10 GeometryEng, Onyx RE2 030-0175-006A 1992 VO1 VideoOut 030-0502-205C 1994 VCAM RemoteVcam w/cables 013-0276-001 1990 ? ? on extender 030-0117-001C 1988 MC2 Memory 030-0013-003G 1987 GF3 ?Professional Iris? 030-0117-034C 1988 MC2 Memory 030-0117-001C 1988 MC2 Memory 030-0247-002B 1992 RM5 RasterMgr 030-0203-003 1990 ? 3rd: Interphase 013-0203-001D ? ? disk controller? 030-8029-001C 1989 IP10 4D/25 cpu 030-0085-006C 1988 GM2 GeometryMgr 030-0377-010A 1993 IO4 I/O 030-0117-034C 1988 MC2 Memory 030-0153-004C 1991 GE6 GeometryEng 030-0213-005A 1990 GM3 GeometryMgr 030-0218-004A 1991 DG1 DisplayGen 030-0156-004D 1989 RM2 RasterMgr 030-0118-002B ? IO2 I/O 013-0208-001C ? ? 6port serial 013-0204-002B ? ? Ethernet? 030-0117-001D 1988 MC2 Memory SGI 4D series Bridges: ====================== 030-0115-002B ? RI2 030-0134-001B 1988 RI2 GTX, PowerSeries 030-0134-001A 1988 RI2 GTX, PowerSeries 030-0134-001 1988 RI2 GTX, PowerSeries 030-0080-001 1987 RI1 ?, PN unclear 030-0079-001 1987 GI1 GTX, PowerSeries 030-0130-001B 1988 MI2 ? SGI 4D series Cable: ==================== 018-8204-004A camera to Y/C + comp SGI 4D series Miscellaneous: ============================ 030-0328-002A 1992 PB2 paddle board 013-1754-002B 1999 ? cooling baffle various sizes memory simms for MC2 memory boards. bulkhead RGB connectors From cisin at xenosoft.com Sun Aug 24 17:25:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: ACCRC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030824151118.N80185@newshell.lmi.net> It seems that ACCRC should clarify what it is and its mission, since without such clarification, many people would assume that it is running a retail used computer business (which they obviously do not want to do). > Oh, Rifraff are we?? Of course not! But we can aspire to move up to that. From jrkeys at concentric.net Sun Aug 24 17:34:00 2003 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: A large classic video game collection References: <20030824204002.8FFF3140B64F@swift.conman.org> Message-ID: <019301c36a8e$b18b42e0$280add40@oemcomputer> Really enjoyed the site. Thanks for the heads up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner" To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: A large classic video game collection > I came across a site of a person who has a rather large collection of old > video game systems who took plenty of pictures of it: > > http://www.videogamearchive.com/roomdoom/ > > I thought it might be of some interest here. > > -spc (It's an impressive collection ... ) From rogersda at cox.net Sun Aug 24 19:22:00 2003 From: rogersda at cox.net (rogersda@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: OpenVMS etc. Message-ID: <20030825001412.XWZA21752.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Peter, This is actually easier than MickeySoft, once you understand the relationships. First you need to know what device your cd-rom is. ~Normally~, it will be a SCSI device at address 4; and usually, on the first controller. Type $ Sho dev d and look for a disk that is write-locked, probably DKA400. If it is ... With the cd in the drive, type $ Mou/over=id dka400: then $ Set Def dka400:[000000] you are now ready to wander around as on any other RMS volume. Dale > This is my first dip in to OpenVMS. Could you give me an idiot's guide > to mounting the CD-ROM and installing TCP/IP? Coming from a strong UNIX > and Windows background, VMS is confusing me! From vcf at siconic.com Sun Aug 24 21:09:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: ACCRC In-Reply-To: <20030824151118.N80185@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Fred Cisin wrote: > It seems that ACCRC should clarify what it is and its mission, > since without such clarification, many people would assume that > it is running a retail used computer business (which they > obviously do not want to do). There is a used computer store that rents space and gets stuff from the ACCRC. They are located at the front of the lot where their operation is and it's called Tom's Used Computer Warehouse. You can probably request stuff through Tom that he can then pull from the ACCRC in-flow. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From ken at seefried.com Sun Aug 24 21:11:00 2003 From: ken at seefried.com (Ken Seefried) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Mindset Computer In-Reply-To: <20030824170001.50375.93916.Mailman@huey.classiccmp.org> References: <20030824170001.50375.93916.Mailman@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <20030825020747.6133.qmail@mail.seefried.com> > From: Al Hartman > Subject: Mindset Computer > > Just visited a friend who wanted to get his Mindset > Computer working. > Best of luck with that. Mindset is one of the canonical examples of truly innovative machines that never got the attention it deserved. Ken From geoffr at zipcon.net Sun Aug 24 22:32:00 2003 From: geoffr at zipcon.net (Geoff Reed) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Apple clones In-Reply-To: <3F490C45.6050609@POGGS.CO.UK> References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030824201856.059d4b40@mail.zipcon.net> is there anyone out there that is looking for franklin ace 1000 and 1000 plus machines? my roomie here has a 1000 and a 1000+ he's looking to sell From fabrice.siravo at wanadoo.fr Mon Aug 25 00:26:00 2003 From: fabrice.siravo at wanadoo.fr (fabrice siravo) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Apple clones References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030824201856.059d4b40@mail.zipcon.net> Message-ID: <001d01c36ac7$fc2623e0$955019c0@grostoto> hello how many would you sell ? regards fab tout sur la micro familiale des ann?es 79-95 http://www.mapetitecollection.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Reed" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5:19 AM Subject: Apple clones > is there anyone out there that is looking for franklin ace 1000 and 1000 > plus machines? my roomie here has a 1000 and a 1000+ he's looking to sell From esharpe at uswest.net Mon Aug 25 00:39:00 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: History of MARC Records sought.... Message-ID: <024d01c36aca$11b04a90$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> History of MARC Records sought.... Looking for any paperwork or books or naritives from thouse that might have participated in the early days of MARC record development and you will make us really happy if you were in the MARC Pilot Project. This will be an interesting history section for the automation section of the website. Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 From ernestls at attbi.com Mon Aug 25 01:16:00 2003 From: ernestls at attbi.com (Ernest) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: A large classic video game collection In-Reply-To: <20030824204002.8FFF3140B64F@swift.conman.org> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On > Behalf Of Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner > I came across a site of a person who has a rather large > collection of old > video game systems who took plenty of pictures of it: > > http://www.videogamearchive.com/roomdoom/ > > I thought it might be of some interest here. > > -spc (It's an impressive collection ... ) There's something kind of disturbing about it. I feel both awe and pity. It's hard to imagine what a collection like that would cost to build, in both financial and emotional terms. E. From bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca Mon Aug 25 01:44:00 2003 From: bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca (Ben Franchuk) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: A large classic video game collection References: Message-ID: <3F49ACC8.3080905@jetnet.ab.ca> Ernest wrote: > There's something kind of disturbing about it. I feel both awe and pity. > It's hard to imagine what a collection like that would cost to build, in > both financial and emotional terms. And keep it going, how long does the game software stay on a eprom with out going bad or getting Zapped? From coredump at gifford.co.uk Mon Aug 25 07:54:00 2003 From: coredump at gifford.co.uk (John Honniball) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: DEC BA42 Storage Expansion boxes available, Bristol UK Message-ID: <3F4A0535.6070900@gifford.co.uk> I have a few DEC BA42 Storage Expansion boxes available here, with full-height 5 1/4 inch SCSI hard disks in them. I think they're about 300 to 600Mb each. They're suitable for the DECStation 5000 (MIPS) systems. Free to anyone who can collect them from North Bristol (UK). E-mail me for full details of what disk(s) are in what boxes. -- John Honniball coredump@gifford.co.uk From Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com Mon Aug 25 08:26:01 2003 From: Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com (Feldman, Robert) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Low Level Format Message-ID: I thought /U was "unconditional", meaning that you cannot later reverse the formatting and recover the previous data. Without /U, FORMAT would save a hidden copy of the FAT (or something like that), IIRC, making it easier to recover from the format. My MS-DOS 5.0 manual says that with the /U, FORMAT "Destroys all existing data on a disk", whatever that means. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 5:16 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Low Level Format If /U is active, then it at least "VERIFIES" every cluster. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@xenosoft.com From vance at neurotica.com Mon Aug 25 08:53:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Feldman, Robert wrote: > I thought /U was "unconditional", meaning that you cannot later reverse > the formatting and recover the previous data. Without /U, FORMAT would > save a hidden copy of the FAT (or something like that), IIRC, making it > easier to recover from the format. My MS-DOS 5.0 manual says that with > the /U, FORMAT "Destroys all existing data on a disk", whatever that > means. /U was also the opposite of /F, I believe. Peace... Sridhar From rhudson at cnonline.net Mon Aug 25 09:52:00 2003 From: rhudson at cnonline.net (Ron Hudson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: ACCRC In-Reply-To: <20030824151118.N80185@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: <9B3F3A40-D70A-11D7-85AD-000393C5A0B6@cnonline.net> On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 05:15 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > It seems that ACCRC should clarify what it is and its mission, > since without such clarification, many people would assume that > it is running a retail used computer business (which they > obviously do not want to do). > >> Oh, Rifraff are we?? > Of course not! > But we can aspire to move up to that. Hey Fred, you deleted my : ^ ) , :^) From Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com Mon Aug 25 10:04:00 2003 From: Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com (Feldman, Robert) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files Message-ID: You can get a DXF-to-HPGL converter (such as http://www.imagespro.com/programs/2287/ ), then send the HPGL to the plotter. As far as getting an old copy of AutoCAD, you can pretty much forget that. AutoDesk has been very aggressive at maintaing their IP. The only version I have found on the web is one customized for the DEC Rainbow. There were some other 2D CAD packages such as TurboCAD that could read DXF, and were available as trial or free versions. You could Google for an older version that is compatable with your plotters. Bob -----Original Message----- From: hansp [mailto:hansp@citem.org] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:56 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Looking for plot data files Mail List wrote: > Hans, > > I think the "cut-away drawing of the space shuttle" was a demo .dxf > file that came with AutoCad. Thanks for the pointer. Searching for DXF on the web throws up a bunch of possible stuff. Now to figure out how to plot DXF files cheaply! I think the shuttel picture goes back further than that. Tektronix used it extensivly in their promotions of the 40xx series, that would be late 70's -- hbp From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 25 10:53:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Apple clones In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030824201856.059d4b40@mail.zipcon.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Geoff Reed wrote: > is there anyone out there that is looking for franklin ace 1000 and 1000 > plus machines? my roomie here has a 1000 and a 1000+ he's looking to sell http://marketplace.vintage.org :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From philpem at dsl.pipex.com Mon Aug 25 11:30:00 2003 From: philpem at dsl.pipex.com (Philip Pemberton) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: MOS Technology 6502 manuals Message-ID: <952b97274c.philpem@dsl.pipex.com> Hi all, I've just grabbed a copy of the MOS Technology "MOS Microcomputers Hardware Manual", dated January 1976, MOS publication number 6500-10A from http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/ . I've already got a (poor quality) reprint of the August 1975 version (publication number 6500-10). Does anyone know what - if anything - was changed in the January 1976 revision of the manual? Is it worth my while printing the newer manual out again and having it spiral-bound? I was going to print out the MOS Programmer's Manual (doc #6500-50A) anyway. Alternatively, does anyone have original copies of these manuals or the Synertek or Rockwell equivalents? An original MOS Hardware Manual and Programmer's Manual would be nice to have around, but I can live with a laser-print or photocopy if need be. Thanks. -- Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, 6GB, philpem@dsl.pipex.com | ViewFinder, Ethernet (Acorn AEH62), http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 8xCD, framegrabber, Teletext ... Acme Corp: Unlimited credit for disadvantaged coyotes. From jrkeys at concentric.net Mon Aug 25 11:42:00 2003 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: MOS Technology 6502 manuals References: <952b97274c.philpem@dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: <00e301c36b26$c4f73350$2b0ddd40@oemcomputer> I have a complete set up in storage in MN but I'm in Texas. I will be going up to get more of my stuff moved next summer and will update once I get the manuals. I will make copies if you still need them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Pemberton" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: MOS Technology 6502 manuals > Hi all, > I've just grabbed a copy of the MOS Technology "MOS Microcomputers Hardware > Manual", dated January 1976, MOS publication number 6500-10A from > http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/ . I've already got a (poor quality) reprint > of the August 1975 version (publication number 6500-10). Does anyone know > what - if anything - was changed in the January 1976 revision of the manual? > Is it worth my while printing the newer manual out again and having it > spiral-bound? I was going to print out the MOS Programmer's Manual (doc > #6500-50A) anyway. > Alternatively, does anyone have original copies of these manuals or the > Synertek or Rockwell equivalents? An original MOS Hardware Manual and > Programmer's Manual would be nice to have around, but I can live with a > laser-print or photocopy if need be. > > Thanks. > -- > Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, 6GB, > philpem@dsl.pipex.com | ViewFinder, Ethernet (Acorn AEH62), > http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 8xCD, framegrabber, Teletext > ... Acme Corp: Unlimited credit for disadvantaged coyotes. From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Mon Aug 25 11:55:01 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030824164009.11473f68@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 07:18 AM 8/25/03 -0600, you wrote: >I thought /U was "unconditional", meaning that you cannot later reverse the formatting and recover the previous data. Without /U, FORMAT would save a hidden copy of the FAT (or something like that), IIRC, making it easier to recover from the format. My MS-DOS 5.0 manual says that with the /U, FORMAT "Destroys all existing data on a disk", whatever that means. I think you are entirely correct. But AFIK the /U and /Q only apply to formatting floppy disks. However I could be wrong about that. Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Mon Aug 25 11:56:08 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030824164126.1147156e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 08:56 AM 8/25/03 -0600, you wrote: >You can get a DXF-to-HPGL converter (such as http://www.imagespro.com/programs/2287/ ), then send the HPGL to the plotter. > >As far as getting an old copy of AutoCAD, you can pretty much forget that. I was referring to picking on up surplus. I see them quite often around here. Joe AutoDesk has been very aggressive at maintaing their IP. The only version I have found on the web is one customized for the DEC Rainbow. There were some other 2D CAD packages such as TurboCAD that could read DXF, and were available as trial or free versions. You could Google for an older version that is compatable with your plotters. > >Bob > >-----Original Message----- >From: hansp [mailto:hansp@citem.org] >Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:56 AM >To: cctalk@classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: Looking for plot data files > > >Mail List wrote: >> Hans, >> >> I think the "cut-away drawing of the space shuttle" was a demo .dxf >> file that came with AutoCad. > >Thanks for the pointer. Searching for DXF on the web throws up a bunch >of possible stuff. Now to figure out how to plot DXF files cheaply! > >I think the shuttel picture goes back further than that. Tektronix used >it extensivly in their promotions of the 40xx series, that would be late >70's > > -- hbp From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Mon Aug 25 11:56:15 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Shugart 801 floppy drives Message-ID: <200308251647.JAA29528@clulw009.amd.com> Hi Jules The most common problems of these machines are: 1. small bits of the belt rubber stuck to the pullies. 2. dirty or magnitized head 3. sticking bearings or screw in head assembly. I clean the surfaces of the pullies by dragging a knife along the surface while spinning. This is the most over looked cause. Dwight >From: "Jules Richardson" > >Hi, > >Does anybody know of any resources on the 'net for Shugart 801 8" drive info? >(data / power connector information, PSU voltages etc.) > >I have one in a machine with booting problems and I'd like to do some initial >diagnostics on. > >cheers > >Jules From cb at mythtech.net Mon Aug 25 12:03:00 2003 From: cb at mythtech.net (chris) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Low Level Format Message-ID: > I think you are entirely correct. But AFIK the /U and /Q only apply to >formatting floppy disks. However I could be wrong about that. I've used /Q when formatting hard drives as well. I think it does pretty much the same thing as when formatting a floppy with /Q, it just zaps the FAT and goes under the assumption that the drive format itself is good. -chris From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Mon Aug 25 12:08:00 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: A large classic video game collection Message-ID: <200308251700.KAA29535@clulw009.amd.com> >From: "Ben Franchuk" > >Ernest wrote: > >> There's something kind of disturbing about it. I feel both awe and pity. >> It's hard to imagine what a collection like that would cost to build, in >> both financial and emotional terms. >And keep it going, how long does the game software stay on a eprom with out >going bad or getting Zapped? > Hi I have some 1702's programmed in '73 or '74 that still contain the correct, original information. Dwight From doc at mdrconsult.com Mon Aug 25 12:15:01 2003 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc Shipley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030824164009.11473f68@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.16.20030824164009.11473f68@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3F4A4265.5000302@mdrconsult.com> Joe wrote: > At 07:18 AM 8/25/03 -0600, you wrote: > >>I thought /U was "unconditional", meaning that you cannot later reverse > > the formatting and recover the previous data. Without /U, FORMAT would save > a hidden copy of the FAT (or something like that), IIRC, making it easier > to recover from the format. My MS-DOS 5.0 manual says that with the /U, > FORMAT "Destroys all existing data on a disk", whatever that means. > > > I think you are entirely correct. But AFIK the /U and /Q only apply to > formatting floppy disks. However I could be wrong about that. I don't know about the /Q option, but I'm sure the /U was valid for fixed disks. I used it to avoid the "Can't save undelete information" error. Doc From Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com Mon Aug 25 12:24:00 2003 From: Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com (Feldman, Robert) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files Message-ID: Technically ;) Autodesk sells the user only one license, which gets transfered to the new software version as it is upgraded. Therefore, the only way you could get a copy that would be even marginally legal would be if the user stopped using AutoCAD or purchased a complete new copy to replace the old one. I haven't had to do a regular upgrade since about Release 10 (where I work now is at an AutoCAD Registered Developer, so we have different licensing terms), but at that time, you had to return the original of the serialized first program disk in order to get the upgrade. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 11:41 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Looking for plot data files At 08:56 AM 8/25/03 -0600, you wrote: >You can get a DXF-to-HPGL converter (such as http://www.imagespro.com/programs/2287/ ), then send the HPGL to the plotter. > >As far as getting an old copy of AutoCAD, you can pretty much forget that. I was referring to picking on up surplus. I see them quite often around here. Joe From mmcfadden at cmh.edu Mon Aug 25 12:42:00 2003 From: mmcfadden at cmh.edu (McFadden, Mike) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: OT: Ship based mainframe in movie(1961) Message-ID: <958B228E6A626242A3FEAB621C4C933550A9E1@exch2000.cmh.internal> While changing channels I came across a movie, "The Honeymoon Machine" staring Steve McQueen from 1961. They were using onboard ship mainframe computer to compute odds for roulette wheel and using signaling lantern to send messages to/from ship to casino. Computer named Max. Interesting use of military computer system. Mike From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Mon Aug 25 12:45:04 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030824175116.3b77e76a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> I've run into a problem with a software company called IPSWITCH that I thought the rest of you might like to know about before you have any dealings with them. As some of you already know the hard drive in my PC crashed a couple of weeks ago. One of the programs that I lost was fully licensed and registered copy WS-FTP that I had purchased on-line only a week before from IPSWITCH. I did manage to recover the registration information along with the Proof of Purchase message from IPSWITCH. On the 20th, I contacted IPSWITCH's customer support via their website and asked for replacement copy of the program and gave them all of the required information. That was almost a week ago and I never heard back from them. This morning I called them and asked about the replacement program. They said that my program had been de-activated for FRAUD and that I would have to buy a replacement copy! Their policy clearly says that they will provide support and a replacement program for up to one year and since I only bought this program on the 13th of this month, I told them that there was no way that I was going to pay for a replacement copy and was entitled to a free replacement. They said that because I'd failed to provide my street address FOR THE ON-LINE PURCHASE that they had revoked my registration! As you all realize, there's absolutely no reason for them to require me to provide my street address for an electronic purchase. The only possible reason that they would need that would be in they intend to sell my address to the junk-mail services. I asked about this and the representative got evasive. I asked to talk to their manager and was given the run around. I left a message for the manager to call me and none ever did. I've also called them again this afternoon and again the manager "was not available". Again I left a message for the customer service manager to call me but I still haven't recieved a call and I doubt that I will. I would strongly advise anyone NOT to do business with this company! Not only do they fail to deliver the support that they say they will but they also don't bother to reply to e-mails or phone calls. In addition, it appears that they WILL re-sell their customer's personal information to the junk-mail services and I would have to assume to any others such as SPAMMERS and telephone silicitors as well. As for me, I'm going to contact my credit card service and have them retract my payment to IPSWITCH and I will never do business with them again! Joe From spedraja at ono.com Mon Aug 25 13:19:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch References: <3.0.6.16.20030824175116.3b77e76a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <02df01c36b33$e5c4f420$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> I can't believe it. I thought that nobody can be worst than Bidpay, but this assholes go very far away from these others. Cheers Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch > I've run into a problem with a software company called IPSWITCH that I > thought the rest of you might like to know about before you have any > dealings with them. > > As some of you already know the hard drive in my PC crashed a couple of > weeks ago. One of the programs that I lost was fully licensed and > registered copy WS-FTP that I had purchased on-line only a week before from > IPSWITCH. I did manage to recover the registration information along with > the Proof of Purchase message from IPSWITCH. On the 20th, I contacted > IPSWITCH's customer support via their website and asked for replacement > copy of the program and gave them all of the required information. That was > almost a week ago and I never heard back from them. This morning I called > them and asked about the replacement program. They said that my program had > been de-activated for FRAUD and that I would have to buy a replacement > copy! Their policy clearly says that they will provide support and a > replacement program for up to one year and since I only bought this program > on the 13th of this month, I told them that there was no way that I was > going to pay for a replacement copy and was entitled to a free replacement. > They said that because I'd failed to provide my street address FOR THE > ON-LINE PURCHASE that they had revoked my registration! As you all > realize, there's absolutely no reason for them to require me to provide my > street address for an electronic purchase. The only possible reason that > they would need that would be in they intend to sell my address to the > junk-mail services. I asked about this and the representative got evasive. > I asked to talk to their manager and was given the run around. I left a > message for the manager to call me and none ever did. I've also called them > again this afternoon and again the manager "was not available". Again I > left a message for the customer service manager to call me but I still > haven't recieved a call and I doubt that I will. > > I would strongly advise anyone NOT to do business with this company! Not > only do they fail to deliver the support that they say they will but they > also don't bother to reply to e-mails or phone calls. In addition, it > appears that they WILL re-sell their customer's personal information to the > junk-mail services and I would have to assume to any others such as > SPAMMERS and telephone silicitors as well. As for me, I'm going to contact > my credit card service and have them retract my payment to IPSWITCH and I > will never do business with them again! > > Joe From spedraja at ono.com Mon Aug 25 13:23:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:25 2005 Subject: Cromenco Z2 power supply (or equivalent) References: <3.0.6.16.20030824175116.3b77e76a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <02e901c36b34$84d922c0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Hi again. I aproach the occasion, even when I hadn't idea of speak about it. Somebody knows where I can obtain one Power Supply (original or equivalent) for one Cromenco Z2 backplane ? I can't check yet more information, but I'm suggested that it uses +8v, +18v, -8v and -18v power. Some people has give me kind information privately, but I should like to obtain one PS before try to construct one here. Thanks in Advance. Sergio From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Mon Aug 25 13:36:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Cromenco Z2 power supply (or equivalent) In-Reply-To: <02e901c36b34$84d922c0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> References: <3.0.6.16.20030824175116.3b77e76a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030824184046.35d743e2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Sergio, I think I have one but I'm in Florida and I expect that the shipping would be EXPENSIVE. Joe At 08:13 PM 8/25/03 +0200, you wrote: >Hi again. I aproach the occasion, even when I hadn't idea of speak >about it. Somebody knows where I can obtain one Power Supply >(original or equivalent) for one Cromenco Z2 backplane ? >I can't check yet more information, but I'm suggested that it uses >+8v, +18v, -8v and -18v power. Some people has give me kind >information privately, but I should like to obtain one PS before >try to construct one here. > >Thanks in Advance. > >Sergio From jbmcb at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 13:43:00 2003 From: jbmcb at hotmail.com (Jason McBrien) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch References: <3.0.6.16.20030824175116.3b77e76a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: FileZilla filezilla.sourceforge.net Sorry, that sucks.. Some companies require address information for online purchases to reduce fraud. They check the billing address against the address on the credit card. That's what I've heard, at least. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch > I've run into a problem with a software company called IPSWITCH that I > thought the rest of you might like to know about before you have any > dealings with them. > > As some of you already know the hard drive in my PC crashed a couple of > weeks ago. One of the programs that I lost was fully licensed and > registered copy WS-FTP that I had purchased on-line only a week before from > IPSWITCH. I did manage to recover the registration information along with > the Proof of Purchase message from IPSWITCH. On the 20th, I contacted > IPSWITCH's customer support via their website and asked for replacement > copy of the program and gave them all of the required information. That was > almost a week ago and I never heard back from them. This morning I called > them and asked about the replacement program. They said that my program had > been de-activated for FRAUD and that I would have to buy a replacement > copy! Their policy clearly says that they will provide support and a > replacement program for up to one year and since I only bought this program > on the 13th of this month, I told them that there was no way that I was > going to pay for a replacement copy and was entitled to a free replacement. > They said that because I'd failed to provide my street address FOR THE > ON-LINE PURCHASE that they had revoked my registration! As you all > realize, there's absolutely no reason for them to require me to provide my > street address for an electronic purchase. The only possible reason that > they would need that would be in they intend to sell my address to the > junk-mail services. I asked about this and the representative got evasive. > I asked to talk to their manager and was given the run around. I left a > message for the manager to call me and none ever did. I've also called them > again this afternoon and again the manager "was not available". Again I > left a message for the customer service manager to call me but I still > haven't recieved a call and I doubt that I will. > > I would strongly advise anyone NOT to do business with this company! Not > only do they fail to deliver the support that they say they will but they > also don't bother to reply to e-mails or phone calls. In addition, it > appears that they WILL re-sell their customer's personal information to the > junk-mail services and I would have to assume to any others such as > SPAMMERS and telephone silicitors as well. As for me, I'm going to contact > my credit card service and have them retract my payment to IPSWITCH and I > will never do business with them again! > > Joe From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Aug 25 13:49:00 2003 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Vintage art... Message-ID: http://mainbyte.com/c64/graphics.html g. From PasserM at umkc.edu Mon Aug 25 14:01:00 2003 From: PasserM at umkc.edu (Passer, Michael W.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch Message-ID: <871F3967B5AAF64CA4B3EF9D70AD905701069DEA@KC-MAIL4.kc.umkc.edu> Thanks for the warning. We had considered licensing this for some operations here, but stayed with command line ftp. Glad we did, now. From PasserM at umkc.edu Mon Aug 25 14:02:00 2003 From: PasserM at umkc.edu (Passer, Michael W.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch Message-ID: <871F3967B5AAF64CA4B3EF9D70AD905701069DEB@KC-MAIL4.kc.umkc.edu> >Sorry, that sucks.. Some companies require address information for online purchases >to reduce fraud. They check the billing address against the address on the credit card. >That's what I've heard, at least. I was thinking the same thing, but the charge apparently went through, since he's going to contact his bank to have it reversed. From jrkeys at concentric.net Mon Aug 25 14:22:00 2003 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Need Info on SEGA Channel Message-ID: <017901c36b3d$269b39b0$2b0ddd40@oemcomputer> I picked up a SEGA/Scientific Atlanta Channel device from 1994. From what I can find on the web it was device used as part of the interactive service (24/7) from Sega of America, Telecommunications, Inc., and Time Warner. For $12.95 you got to download 50 games per month and play them on your machine until you turned the machine then the games were deleted. What I need to know is the actual cost of this device itself, it's a model D-9593 and comes with a ac adapter? Also looking for a box and manual for it. Thanks From spedraja at ono.com Mon Aug 25 14:23:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Cromenco Z2 power supply (or equivalent) References: <3.0.6.16.20030824175116.3b77e76a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030824184046.35d743e2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <032b01c36b3c$d1faf300$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> He, he. I suppose it. Well, in fact I had it in mind BEFORE send the message. If my idea of this power supplies is correct it appears to have the size and weight to power the startup of one bombardier. If you could check it when you have a moment I should agree it. Cheers Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Cromenco Z2 power supply (or equivalent) > Sergio, > > I think I have one but I'm in Florida and I expect that the shipping > would be EXPENSIVE. > > Joe > > At 08:13 PM 8/25/03 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi again. I aproach the occasion, even when I hadn't idea of speak > >about it. Somebody knows where I can obtain one Power Supply > >(original or equivalent) for one Cromenco Z2 backplane ? > >I can't check yet more information, but I'm suggested that it uses > >+8v, +18v, -8v and -18v power. Some people has give me kind > >information privately, but I should like to obtain one PS before > >try to construct one here. > > > >Thanks in Advance. > > > >Sergio From spedraja at ono.com Mon Aug 25 14:26:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Vintage art... References: Message-ID: <033901c36b3d$51d20000$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Pentium III - 600 Mhz 128 Mb memory 300 kb p/s cable line ... Three minutes ... I am waiting yet to complete the unload of the image... > http://mainbyte.com/c64/graphics.html > > g. From spedraja at ono.com Mon Aug 25 14:32:01 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Vintage art... References: Message-ID: <033d01c36b3e$1d7bc1a0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> ... but interesting when it ends :-) Yes. Good site. Elegant at least. And simple. > http://mainbyte.com/c64/graphics.html > > g. From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Aug 25 14:58:00 2003 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Vintage art... In-Reply-To: <033901c36b3d$51d20000$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Message-ID: The image is 5.4MB. g. On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, SP wrote: > Pentium III - 600 Mhz > 128 Mb memory > 300 kb p/s cable line > ... > Three minutes > ... > I am waiting yet to complete the unload of the image... > > > http://mainbyte.com/c64/graphics.html > > > > g. From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Aug 25 15:00:01 2003 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Vintage art... In-Reply-To: <033d01c36b3e$1d7bc1a0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Message-ID: He's also done the VIC-20 and the TI-99/4A. g. On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, SP wrote: > ... but interesting when it ends :-) > > Yes. Good site. Elegant at least. And simple. > > > http://mainbyte.com/c64/graphics.html > > > > g. From waltje at pdp11.nl Mon Aug 25 15:08:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, chris wrote: > I've used /Q when formatting hard drives as well. I think it does pretty > much the same thing as when formatting a floppy with /Q, it just zaps the > FAT and goes under the assumption that the drive format itself is good. DOS Format tries to READ every sector (in bunches of clusters) so it can tell which clusters are to be marked BAD. That is why it takes so long to format a disk under DOS. Starting with (I believe) 4.0, DOS added the volume serial number biz, and options to ease un-recovery of deleted files, as has been stated before. These include keeping a copy of the root dir and FAT around towards the end of the disk[partition], and a change in allocating directory entries (from overwriting the first "available" one to the first one that was not previously deleted; if available). The /U specifier to Format changes this back to the old behavior, meaning, just read all sectors, and dont try to keep the FAT and root dir around. There is some changing behavior between versions with regard to formatting a previously formatted drive... some versions will take on the previous format (and "skip" to using "new style" format), others really do the /U, even when a valid format is already there. cheers, Fred From waltje at pdp11.nl Mon Aug 25 15:14:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Jason McBrien wrote: > Sorry, that sucks.. Some companies require address information for online > purchases to reduce fraud. They check the billing address against the > address on the credit card. That's what I've heard, at least. Correct, this is (or, rather, has become) a valid reason to request that information, and they CAN (and, usually, WILL) match it against the billing-address info from the ccard service using a PRE_AUTHORIZE transaction; if it matches, it will go ahead with the auth, if not, it will abort and BOO at you. Meanwhile, it will also have triggered an internal fraud system. So, at least in that sense, IPSWITCH was "right". For the rest... bah, they seem to be morons. --f From donm at cts.com Mon Aug 25 15:26:00 2003 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Calculators Message-ID: My recent acquisitions seem to have fallen into the category of handheld calculators and are as follows: Corvus 411 - Introduced in 1974 at $49.95. It operates on four ni-cad AA cells and/or a 6VDC 100ma (shell +) wall wart, which I do not have, but can obtain a compatible one. Casio fx7000G - Seems to be the first graphics handheld, and was introduced in 1985 at 70 UK pounds. Operates on three 2032 lithium cells. No external power offered. HP41C - Introduced in 1979 at $295. It operates on four N cells. A ni-cad power option and external charging source was offered which this unit does not have. It is the basic 41C with no modules and lacks the cover plate and leather case. Each of these units is operating and the displays are clear and sharp. I will entertain offers for these units, either individually or as a package, until 5 September when I will determine who gets what - if any. There is a fair amount of information available via google search. I'll try to answer questions about these particular units, but claim no special expertise in the calculator field. - don From bpope at wordstock.com Mon Aug 25 15:28:00 2003 From: bpope at wordstock.com (Bryan Pope) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: from "Fred N. van Kempen" at Aug 25, 03 10:04:54 pm Message-ID: <200308252009.QAA16650@wordstock.com> And thusly Fred N. van Kempen spake: > > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Jason McBrien wrote: > > > Sorry, that sucks.. Some companies require address information for online > > purchases to reduce fraud. They check the billing address against the > > address on the credit card. That's what I've heard, at least. > Correct, this is (or, rather, has become) a valid reason to request > that information, and they CAN (and, usually, WILL) match it against > the billing-address info from the ccard service using a PRE_AUTHORIZE > transaction; if it matches, it will go ahead with the auth, if not, it > will abort and BOO at you. Meanwhile, it will also have triggered an > internal fraud system. > > So, at least in that sense, IPSWITCH was "right". *BUT* IPSWITCH should have made the address field mandatory and not let you preceed until it was filled in. They should have also had a little "info" button beside this field to let you know why they need this information. I think it's very bad to not require something in one place and then accuse you of fraud when it isn't there. Their QA person needs to be reamed with a rusty iron poker. Cheers, Bryan From zmerch at 30below.com Mon Aug 25 16:02:00 2003 From: zmerch at 30below.com (Roger Merchberger) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030825163815.00ad0e60@mail.30below.com> Rumor has it that Fred N. van Kempen may have mentioned these words: >On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Jason McBrien wrote: > > > Sorry, that sucks.. Some companies require address information for online > > purchases to reduce fraud. They check the billing address against the > > address on the credit card. That's what I've heard, at least. >Correct, this is (or, rather, has become) a valid reason to request >that information, and they CAN (and, usually, WILL) match it against >the billing-address info from the ccard service using a PRE_AUTHORIZE >transaction; if it matches, it will go ahead with the auth, if not, it >will abort and BOO at you. Meanwhile, it will also have triggered an >internal fraud system. > >So, at least in that sense, IPSWITCH was "right". No -- IPSWITCH isn't right -- if the OP didn't provide the address and they *required* it for fraud protection, they should have never billed his credit card or let the transaction go thru in the first place. They can't allow the charge, take his money, then turn around and tell him to pay it again because of a piece of information they didn't require to begin with -- I believe the legal term for that is "ex post facto" - latin for "after the fact" IIRC and thankfully, that's one of the few civil liberties in the "good ol' US of A" that hasn't been repealed... yet... :-/ >For the rest... bah, they seem to be morons. For everything... bah, they seem to be morons. Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch@30below.com What do you do when Life gives you lemons, and you don't *like* lemonade????????????? From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Mon Aug 25 16:13:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.16.20030824175116.3b77e76a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030824204502.611f54cc@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 02:25 PM 8/25/03 -0400, you wrote: >FileZilla >filezilla.sourceforge.net > >Sorry, that sucks.. Some companies require address information for online >purchases to reduce fraud. They check the billing address against the >address on the credit card. That's what I've heard, at least. I've seen some that do that to but these people billed it without question. It wasn't till I wanted replacement software that they checked it and objected. Joe > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe" >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 5:51 PM >Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch > > >> I've run into a problem with a software company called IPSWITCH that I >> thought the rest of you might like to know about before you have any >> dealings with them. >> >> As some of you already know the hard drive in my PC crashed a couple of >> weeks ago. One of the programs that I lost was fully licensed and >> registered copy WS-FTP that I had purchased on-line only a week before >from >> IPSWITCH. I did manage to recover the registration information along with >> the Proof of Purchase message from IPSWITCH. On the 20th, I contacted >> IPSWITCH's customer support via their website and asked for replacement >> copy of the program and gave them all of the required information. That >was >> almost a week ago and I never heard back from them. This morning I called >> them and asked about the replacement program. They said that my program >had >> been de-activated for FRAUD and that I would have to buy a replacement >> copy! Their policy clearly says that they will provide support and a >> replacement program for up to one year and since I only bought this >program >> on the 13th of this month, I told them that there was no way that I was >> going to pay for a replacement copy and was entitled to a free >replacement. >> They said that because I'd failed to provide my street address FOR THE >> ON-LINE PURCHASE that they had revoked my registration! As you all >> realize, there's absolutely no reason for them to require me to provide my >> street address for an electronic purchase. The only possible reason that >> they would need that would be in they intend to sell my address to the >> junk-mail services. I asked about this and the representative got evasive. >> I asked to talk to their manager and was given the run around. I left a >> message for the manager to call me and none ever did. I've also called >them >> again this afternoon and again the manager "was not available". Again I >> left a message for the customer service manager to call me but I still >> haven't recieved a call and I doubt that I will. >> >> I would strongly advise anyone NOT to do business with this company! >Not >> only do they fail to deliver the support that they say they will but they >> also don't bother to reply to e-mails or phone calls. In addition, it >> appears that they WILL re-sell their customer's personal information to >the >> junk-mail services and I would have to assume to any others such as >> SPAMMERS and telephone silicitors as well. As for me, I'm going to contact >> my credit card service and have them retract my payment to IPSWITCH and I >> will never do business with them again! >> >> Joe From waltje at pdp11.nl Mon Aug 25 16:18:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030825163815.00ad0e60@mail.30below.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Roger Merchberger wrote: > >So, at least in that sense, IPSWITCH was "right". > > No -- IPSWITCH isn't right -- if the OP didn't provide the address and they > *required* it for fraud protection, they should have never billed his > credit card or let the transaction go thru in the first place. True, I was only telling 'ok' about the requirement for the address info in the first place... indeed, if their system did not get that info, it should have trapped into a required-field thing, and not let the auth go through. Still, Joe can "fix" this simply by calling his bank or ccard and have them undo the transfer. Nasty, but hey, if they don't want to TALK to customers, lets discuss things through bank statements ;-) Cheers, --fred From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 25 16:34:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: OT: Ship based mainframe in movie(1961) In-Reply-To: <958B228E6A626242A3FEAB621C4C933550A9E1@exch2000.cmh.internal> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, McFadden, Mike wrote: > While changing channels I came across a movie, "The Honeymoon Machine" > staring Steve McQueen from 1961. They were using onboard ship mainframe > computer to compute odds for roulette wheel and using signaling lantern > to send messages to/from ship to casino. Computer named Max. Interesting > use of military computer system. That is pretty cool. Was that basically the plot for the movie? If so, it sounds like I could stand to watch the whole thing :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 25 16:37:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030824175116.3b77e76a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > I would strongly advise anyone NOT to do business with this company! Not > only do they fail to deliver the support that they say they will but they > also don't bother to reply to e-mails or phone calls. In addition, it > appears that they WILL re-sell their customer's personal information to the > junk-mail services and I would have to assume to any others such as > SPAMMERS and telephone silicitors as well. As for me, I'm going to contact > my credit card service and have them retract my payment to IPSWITCH and I > will never do business with them again! That's a good start. You should also file a complaint with the BBB (Better Business Bureau). Finally, for a good FTP client from a good company, might I suggest Van Dyke Software? http://www.vandyke.com -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 25 16:38:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <02df01c36b33$e5c4f420$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, SP wrote: > I can't believe it. I thought that nobody can be worst than Bidpay, > but this assholes go very far away from these others. I second that. I tried using BidPay once and talk about a fucking calamity. I wish nothing but the very illest will for BidPay and everyone who works there (except for the custodial staff). -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 25 16:39:01 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Jason McBrien wrote: > Sorry, that sucks.. Some companies require address information for online > purchases to reduce fraud. They check the billing address against the > address on the credit card. That's what I've heard, at least. Still, whatever the case, there was no good reason for those folks to deny Joe a new copy. P.S. Trim your replies, PEOPLE. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 25 16:41:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Vintage art... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > http://mainbyte.com/c64/graphics.html A very interesting use of one's time. It's not to scale. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 25 16:42:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Vintage art... In-Reply-To: <033901c36b3d$51d20000$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, SP wrote: > Pentium III - 600 Mhz > 128 Mb memory > 300 kb p/s cable line > ... > Three minutes > ... > I am waiting yet to complete the unload of the image... It only took me about 30 seconds with similar specs. Perhaps there was network congestion when you downloaded it? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From geneb at deltasoft.com Mon Aug 25 17:02:01 2003 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Vintage art... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > > > http://mainbyte.com/c64/graphics.html > > A very interesting use of one's time. > > It's not to scale. You sure? That's a 64C board, not the early brown-breadbox rev. g. From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 25 17:28:00 2003 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Calculators In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030825222033.25514.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> --- Don Maslin wrote: > My recent acquisitions seem to have fallen into the category of > handheld calculators and are as follows: > > Casio fx7000G - Seems to be the first graphics handheld, and was > introduced in 1985 at 70 UK pounds. Operates on three 2032 > lithium cells. No external power offered. ISTR that those were standard equipment in schools around 1990 (for A-level courses). They were quite good machines, but pretty slow. Someone wrote a Mandelbrot program for them; it would take several hours to render and almost exhaust a set of batteries. I've still got a 7700 which IIRC was the 7000's bigger brother. Still works and gets used quite often, although I run it off a 9V alkaline battery (not sure what prices are like elsewhere, but those 2032 lithium batteries are horribly expensive over here) cheers Jules ===== Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From jpl15 at panix.com Mon Aug 25 17:32:00 2003 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > > (Better Business Bureau). Finally, for a good FTP client from a good > company, might I suggest Van Dyke Software? > > http://www.vandyke.com Heartily seconded - I've been using VanDyke FTP and CRT (a wonderful term emu proggie) for over two years w/no complaints at all. I bought WSftp a long long time ago, it never worked right, and they were semi-schmucks about it back then. All else being equal - try the VanDyke products.. Cheerz John From aw288 at osfn.org Mon Aug 25 18:28:00 2003 From: aw288 at osfn.org (William Donzelli) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: CHAC Message-ID: A recent article in Antique Radio Classified states that CHAC was absorbed into the Perham Collection, which has now itself been absorbed into a project called History San Jose. Does anyone out that was have more information about this? It would be nice to see these two collections finally get a permanent home. William Donzelli aw288@osfn.org From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 25 18:40:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: Vintage art... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: > > It's not to scale. > > You sure? That's a 64C board, not the early brown-breadbox rev. Aha. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 25 18:41:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: CHAC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, William Donzelli wrote: > A recent article in Antique Radio Classified states that CHAC was > absorbed into the Perham Collection, which has now itself been absorbed > into a project called History San Jose. > > Does anyone out that was have more information about this? Not much more than you do. It happened a couple months ago. Frank McConnell might chime in here. > It would be nice to see these two collections finally get a permanent home. Indeed. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From jwest at classiccmp.org Mon Aug 25 18:51:01 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch References: Message-ID: <006701c36b62$a07cb400$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Agreed... I own a personally registered copy of both Vandyke SecureCRT and SecureFX - I have for several years now. Both products work completely flawlessly and have every feature I could possibly imagine. Even more importantly, I have a few times needed to call their technical support, and I just can't say enough good about it. Found one bug that they hadn't seen before. Within two weeks they came out with a "." release that fixed it. Excellent product & support! If Sftp is your concern rather than terminal emulation, and you have to go with a free product, google for WINscp - it works pretty well and the price is right. Jay West ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lawson" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: Re: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > > > > (Better Business Bureau). Finally, for a good FTP client from a good > > company, might I suggest Van Dyke Software? > > > > http://www.vandyke.com > > > Heartily seconded - I've been using VanDyke FTP and CRT (a wonderful > term emu proggie) for over two years w/no complaints at all. > > I bought WSftp a long long time ago, it never worked right, and they > were semi-schmucks about it back then. > > All else being equal - try the VanDyke products.. > > Cheerz > > John From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Mon Aug 25 20:00:01 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030825163815.00ad0e60@mail.30below.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030825005523.4627d342@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 11:09 PM 8/25/03 +0200, Fred wrote: >On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Roger Merchberger wrote: > >> >So, at least in that sense, IPSWITCH was "right". >> >> No -- IPSWITCH isn't right -- if the OP didn't provide the address and they >> *required* it for fraud protection, they should have never billed his >> credit card or let the transaction go thru in the first place. >True, I was only telling 'ok' about the requirement for the address >info in the first place... indeed, if their system did not get that >info, it should have trapped into a required-field thing, and not >let the auth go through. > >Still, Joe can "fix" this simply by calling his bank or ccard and >have them undo the transfer. Nasty, but hey, if they don't want to >TALK to customers, lets discuss things through bank statements ;-) > Well, not exactly. I can get my money back that way but the bigger problem is that I have the URLs and passwords to a lot of websites saved in WS-FTP and I have no way to get the data out of it. I lost a lot of my saved E-mail messages including many that had the passwords, account names and URLs saved in them. I did manage to recover the WS-FTP data file that had all that saved in it but without a working copy of WS-FTP I can't access it. :-( Joe From vcf at siconic.com Mon Aug 25 21:24:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030825005523.4627d342@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > Well, not exactly. I can get my money back that way but the bigger > problem is that I have the URLs and passwords to a lot of websites saved in > WS-FTP and I have no way to get the data out of it. I lost a lot of my > saved E-mail messages including many that had the passwords, account names > and URLs saved in them. I did manage to recover the WS-FTP data file that > had all that saved in it but without a working copy of WS-FTP I can't > access it. :-( Too bad they don't allow 30 day free trials with their software like Van Dyke does :( -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From r_beaudry at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 22:57:00 2003 From: r_beaudry at hotmail.com (Rich Beaudry) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:26 2005 Subject: "VAX/VMS Troubleshooting" rev 0.C available Message-ID: Hello all, I have a document called "VAX/VMS Troubleshooting" available. It came from a former DEC employee, but I have no DEC hardware, so it is up for grabs, free -- but you pay shipping. It looks like a laser-printed copy, 3-hole punched and in a blue Digital binder, 220 pages, single-sided. Title page says "EY-5315E-P0-0001", "VAX/VMS Troubleshooting", "Ruth Goldenberg", "Revision 0.C". Each page says "*INTERNAL USE ONLY* on top, along with the date. This was obviously a work in progress, as the dates all vary, but they are mostly all from 1985. A few of the pages are loose (the holes tore through), and a few pages have writing, but this is a very clean copy otherwise. From kittstr at access-4-free.com Mon Aug 25 23:09:01 2003 From: kittstr at access-4-free.com (Andrew Strouse) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: OT: Ship based mainframe in movie(1961) References: Message-ID: <010101c36b86$96aa2ab0$0c444a43@amscomputer> This is what the international movie database (imdb.com) says at http://us.imdb.com/Plot?0054989: << As Lieutenant Fergie Howard and Ensign Beau Gilliam are playing poker on board their ship, "El Mira", they are interrupted with the announcement that "Operation Honeymoon" has been launched successfully. This is due to Max the computer- a computer that can pin point exactly where and when a missile will land once it has been launched. This information gives Fergie and idea of how to become rich quick and easy. He asks the navy scientist, Jason Elderidge, if Max can tell where a ball will land when playing roulette- the answer is, yes! When they dock in Venice, Fergie, Beau and Jason check into an expensive hotel and hit the Venice Casino. The three soon find out that becoming rich won't be as easy as they think, for, Admiral Fitch is staying in the same hotel- just two floors above them. If Admiral Fitch discovers what the are doing, they are in big, big trouble.>> Andrew Strouse ( kittstr@access-4-free.com ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5:18 PM Subject: Re: OT: Ship based mainframe in movie(1961) > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, McFadden, Mike wrote: > > > While changing channels I came across a movie, "The Honeymoon Machine" > > staring Steve McQueen from 1961. They were using onboard ship mainframe > > computer to compute odds for roulette wheel and using signaling lantern > > to send messages to/from ship to casino. Computer named Max. Interesting > > use of military computer system. > > That is pretty cool. Was that basically the plot for the movie? If so, > it sounds like I could stand to watch the whole thing :) > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage mputers ] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From geoffr at zipcon.net Mon Aug 25 23:52:00 2003 From: geoffr at zipcon.net (Geoff Reed) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Low Level Format In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030825214744.029ac250@mail.zipcon.net> /U is format, period or die trying :) it doesn't save anything, although you still can recover the data :) At 07:18 AM 8/25/03 -0600, you wrote: >I thought /U was "unconditional", meaning that you cannot later reverse >the formatting and recover the previous data. Without /U, FORMAT would >save a hidden copy of the FAT (or something like that), IIRC, making it >easier to recover from the format. My MS-DOS 5.0 manual says that with the >/U, FORMAT "Destroys all existing data on a disk", whatever that means. > >Bob > >-----Original Message----- >From: Fred Cisin [mailto:cisin@xenosoft.com] >Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 5:16 PM >To: cctalk@classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: Low Level Format > > >If /U is active, then it at least "VERIFIES" every cluster. > >-- >Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@xenosoft.com From geoffrob at stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au Tue Aug 26 01:01:00 2003 From: geoffrob at stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au (Geoff Roberts) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Venturis question References: <010101c36b86$96aa2ab0$0c444a43@amscomputer> Message-ID: <04a701c36b96$600ff1f0$4000a8c0@helpdesk> Can anyone ID a Digital PC based on this Model? VENTURIS S100 MODEL FR-A711AZ-00 I *think* it's really a Venturis 5100 but I can't seem to get anything anywhere to find anything on the model number quoted. The owner is trying to get some ram for it, if it's a 5100 then it looks to be common or garden 16mb 72pin non parity. Anyone able to confirm? Geoff in OZ From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 26 05:54:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Old computers or workstations with cache memory? Message-ID: I'm doing some research for a client and am seeking out information on computers or processors prior to 1983 that implemented cache memory in the processor. Can anyone think of any other than the following: Amdahl 470 V/6 Amdahl 470 V/6-II Amdahl 470 V/8 Amdahl 580 Data General Eclipse MV/4000 Data General Eclipse MV/8000C Data General Eclipse MV/8000II Data General Eclipse MV/10000 HP 3000 Series 64 IBM 3033 IBM 3038 IBM 3081K IBM 3084 NEC S/1000 SGI Power Zilog Z8000 Zilog Z80000 ? Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From aw288 at osfn.org Tue Aug 26 07:48:00 2003 From: aw288 at osfn.org (William Donzelli) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Old computers or workstations with cache memory? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'm doing some research for a client and am seeking out information on > computers or processors prior to 1983 that implemented cache memory in the > processor. > > Can anyone think of any other than the following: I think your list is going to get huge. Cache has been around for quite some time - the "first" implementation was in either a late model S/360 or early S/370 (I can't remember, but around 1970 anyway). Originally it was to be called the "muffer" - memory buffer. Look in *IBMs 360 and Early 370 Systems* from MIT press (you have a copy, RIGHT?). William Donzelli aw288@osfn.org From jim at smithy.com Tue Aug 26 08:10:00 2003 From: jim at smithy.com (Jim Donoghue) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Old computers or workstations with cache memory? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1061902146.3329.2.camel@server.smithy.com> The Wang VS-85H, VS-90, and VS-100 had a cache memory board in the processor. The VS-85H is the VS-85 with the Cache Option. On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 06:38, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > I'm doing some research for a client and am seeking out information on > computers or processors prior to 1983 that implemented cache memory in the > processor. > -- Jim Donoghue Smithy Co. (734) 913-6700 From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 26 08:19:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.16.20030825005523.4627d342@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030825131951.3e77d7d6@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 07:08 PM 8/25/03 -0700, Sellam wrote: >On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > >> Well, not exactly. I can get my money back that way but the bigger >> problem is that I have the URLs and passwords to a lot of websites saved in >> WS-FTP and I have no way to get the data out of it. I lost a lot of my >> saved E-mail messages including many that had the passwords, account names >> and URLs saved in them. I did manage to recover the WS-FTP data file that >> had all that saved in it but without a working copy of WS-FTP I can't >> access it. :-( > >Too bad they don't allow 30 day free trials with their software like Van >Dyke does :( > They do. Here's the whole story. Someone send me a copy of FTPMGR a deveral days ago and installed it that got the Light Edition of the program working but not the Pro edition. (I have to have the Pro Edition because I need the SSH2 support.) But by then IPSWITCH may have de-activated the Pro version. That would explain why FTPMGR didn't fix the problem with it. Then I had the same idea that you suggested so I downloaded and installed a demo version (in a completely separate directory) but when I installed it and tried it EVERYTHING locked up. I reset and rebooted and tried the LE version again and it no longer worked either. That's when I decided to call IPSWITCH and find out why they hadn't replied to my request for replacement SW. Well, you've already heard about that! I spent about three days just recovering WS-FTP files and trying to get it working again but I have finally given up and just erased all of the WS-FTP files and directories. I'll just have to contact the various website owner's such as Al and have them create new accounts and password for me. (Just got a reply from Al a few minutes ago with my new info.) I took your suggestion and downloaded and installed SecureFX last night. Joe >-- > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > >[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] >[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From rickb at bensene.com Tue Aug 26 09:24:00 2003 From: rickb at bensene.com (Rick Bensene) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Old computers or workstations with cache memory? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003d01c36bdc$b5485720$030aa8c0@bensene.com> > I'm doing some research for a client and am seeking out > information on computers or processors prior to 1983 that > implemented cache memory in the processor. The PDP 11/70 had cache, as did the 11/60. The 11/44 had an 8K cache. There was a cache option for the PDP 11/34. All were made prior to '83. From dogas at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 26 10:48:00 2003 From: dogas at bellsouth.net (Mike) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Old computers or workstations with cache memory? References: Message-ID: <003401c36be6$fa0fdea0$1f881442@DOMAIN> From: Vintage Computer Festival > I'm doing some research for a client and am seeking out information on > computers or processors prior to 1983 that implemented cache memory in the > processor. > > Can anyone think of any other than the following: > Yo, I have an ISC S100 box with a Cache Memory card in it for your list. Aside from (main?) Z-80, Video, 48k Ram, and Cache Memory boards, it has 3 additional Z-80 processor boards that appear to have supported some kind of multi-user app... ;) - Mike: dogas@bellsouth.net From uban at ubanproductions.com Tue Aug 26 11:18:01 2003 From: uban at ubanproductions.com (Tom Uban) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Iomec disc drive ? Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030826110847.0200cc58@mail.ubanproductions.com> Hello, Is there any chance that someone has an Iomec removable platter disk drive? The type that I am looking for uses an IBM 2315 style 2.5Mb cartridge, similar to an RK05. I know that this is a pretty futile request, but it never hurts to ask... --tom From jwest at classiccmp.org Tue Aug 26 11:30:00 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: anyone in rochester? Message-ID: <007701c36bee$478087a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> I have a source willing to get me 4 RL02 drives, a bunch of cartridges for same, and a bunch of RK05 packs - all located in Rochester, NY. He's not sure he wants to ship. Any chance a listmember could pick up for me and ship for a fee? >From same source I might also get a microvax, RSX distros and manuals, etc. I now have an RK05 drive, so I am hoping to get my 8E up and running in a real fashion. Still need 16 sector packs for the RK05 though. Oh, and I also recently acquired an HP-85, man that thing is cute! Anyone have an assembler rom module they will part with, and an advanced programming rom? Or better yet, has anyone managed to reproduce the ... whatsit called... rom programming pack, so you can copy the roms and use them that way? Jay West From aek at spies.com Tue Aug 26 11:34:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Iomec disc drive? Message-ID: <200308261626.h7QGQ19q020591@spies.com> Is there any chance that someone has an Iomec removable platter disk drive? The type that I am looking for uses an IBM 2315 style 2.5Mb cartridge, similar to an RK05. -- you could check with Doug Jones if he still has these. RK01's were IOMEC's to be honest, you'd be better off trying to adapt a Diablo interface to whatever needed the IOMEC, as they weren't very good drives. They were also 100tpi. If you have some media you need to read it should be possible to double step tracks with a 200tpi drive. From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp8 Subject: Strange code fragment Date: 31 Mar 1994 16:58:01 GMT Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2nevep$f96@nexus.uiowa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu I was going over the paper tape reader I picked up from Rockwell's surplus outlet, and I found, written in pencil on the inside of the plate that covers the lamp, the following: 0030 load-addr 6743 dep 5031 dep 0030 load-addr/clear/cont This looks suspiciously pdp8ish, despite the fact that the reader was interfaced to a General Radio Peripheral Expander box. The same lot of surplus parts contained 3 RK01 drives, though, also with interfaces from the GR box. From fmc at reanimators.org Tue Aug 26 11:34:10 2003 From: fmc at reanimators.org (Frank McConnell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Old computers or workstations with cache memory? In-Reply-To: (William Donzelli's message of "Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:40:38 -0400 (EDT)") References: Message-ID: <200308261621.h7QGLB1q039375@daemonweed.reanimators.org> William Donzelli wrote: > Cache has been around for quite some time - the "first" implementation > was in either a late model S/360 or early S/370 (I can't remember, but > around 1970 anyway). Originally it was to be called the "muffer" - memory > buffer. Look in *IBMs 360 and Early 370 Systems* from MIT press (you have > a copy, RIGHT?). p. 466: "First announced on the System/360 Model 85 in January 1968, the high-speed storage unit coupled with the main memory soon became known as a cache, a concept now recognized as one of the more important contributions to computer memory design." -Frank McConnell From fmc at reanimators.org Tue Aug 26 11:34:18 2003 From: fmc at reanimators.org (Frank McConnell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: CHAC In-Reply-To: (William Donzelli's message of "Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:20:20 -0400 (EDT)") References: Message-ID: <200308261608.h7QG8EHd039199@daemonweed.reanimators.org> William Donzelli wrote: > A recent article in Antique Radio Classified states that CHAC was > absorbed into the Perham Collection, which has now itself been absorbed > into a project called History San Jose. > > Does anyone out that was have more information about this? Yes. The bulk of the CHAC collection was stored in the Perham Foundation's containers. It's now at History San Jose, and is being processed together with the Perham Foundation's computer collection (yes, they had one). I'm not directly involved with History San Jose, though, which is mostly a matter of scheduling: their volunteer schedule is pretty much a daytime during the week thing and I've already got one of those. > It would be nice to see these two collections finally get a permanent home. It will be, yes. -Frank McConnell From aek at spies.com Tue Aug 26 11:35:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Iomec disc drive? Message-ID: <200308261627.h7QGRo8d020822@spies.com> forgot to ask, are you looking for an IOMEC 1000, 2000, or 3000? From fritz_aus_dem_hause_chwolka at t-online.de Tue Aug 26 11:48:01 2003 From: fritz_aus_dem_hause_chwolka at t-online.de (Fritz Chwolka) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Anyone have copy of old BBS software In-Reply-To: <69DBC74E5784D6119BEA0090271EB8E5FA3C47@MAIL10> Message-ID: <19pqzt-296Ul60@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:05:25 -0400, Cini, Richard wrote: >Hello, all: > > Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC >platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to do some file >transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS >would be a clean way to do it. > > Thanks. > >Rich Cini Why don't use telemate, procomm or zock and use their internal host like personal bbs ? BBSen even here http://www.eunet.bg/simtel.net/msdos/bbs.html and here look for telix or telemate http://www.vectorbd.com/bfd/telecomm/ Greetings from Fritz Chwolka > www.alterechner.de < From jgershon at steelindustriesinc.com Tue Aug 26 11:48:20 2003 From: jgershon at steelindustriesinc.com (Jack Gershon) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Test Message-ID: <001101c367f5$e894cc20$45029384@rogue> checking this email address From timcor at hotmail.com Tue Aug 26 11:48:33 2003 From: timcor at hotmail.com (Tim Corrie Jr) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: I have an ASR 33 TTY with a trashed printball, Message-ID: I saw a message from you on some messageboard, A year ago I got an ASR33 and it worked, but unbeknowns to me the rubber? cover over the hammer had fallen off/disintegrated/wasn't there, it wasn't until the print started to degrade I realized what was going on. So now I need a new printball and some advice on what to do about the missing rubber? hammer cover. I've been scouring the web for a while now and no luck, sorry for the email in the blind, feel free to ignore, but any help welcome, thanks Tim Corrie http://tim.sherri.ugate.net From ejchapel at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 11:48:42 2003 From: ejchapel at comcast.net (Ed Chapel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: OT- Best Buy and AOL Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030821184558.00b3b850@mail.comcast.net> A bit off topic but true. Best Buy in the Portland, OR area has free AOL CD's on the rack with a price tag of $0.02 Wonder if they offer an extended warranty on them... From mranalog at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 11:49:10 2003 From: mranalog at comcast.net (Doug Coward) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: donner analog computer Message-ID: <003901c36812$6346f300$f051e50c@attbi.com> I wrote: > I sent this reply a couple of days ago but it never >appeared in the digest so I can only assume that >it went into the univeral bit bucket. Here it is again. OK it didn't get lost, the digest I received yesterday covered August 16-20. ed sharpe wrote: >Doug, Kudos on the Korn complements, could not >think of a better source of congrats. Dr. Korn's web site is at http://members.aol.com/gatmkorn For those that are not familar with Dr. Korn's books - Books authored or co-authored by Dr Granino Korn: 1952 - Electronic Analog Computers 1956 - Electronic Analog Computers (second edition) 1961 - Mathematical Handbook for Scientists and Engineers 1964 - Electronic Analog and Hybrid Computers 1965 - Basic Tables in Electrical Engineering 1965 - Random-process Simulation and Measurements 1968 - Manual of Mathematics 1968 - Mathematical Handbook for Scientists and Engineers (second edition) 1972 - Electronic Analog and Hybrid Computers (second edition) 1973 - Minicomputers for Engineers and Scientists 1975 - Operational Amplifier Theory and Applications 1978 - Microprocessors and Small Digital Computer Systems 1989 - Interactive Dynamic-system Simulation 1991 - Neural-network Experiments on Personal Computers and Workstations 1991 - Operational Amplifier Theory and Applications (second edition) 1995 - Neural Networks and Fuzzy-logic Control on Personal Computers and Workstations 1998 - Interactive Dynamic-system Simulation under Microsoft Windows co-editor-in chief of the McGraw-Hill Computer Handbook (1962) and the Digital Computer User's Handbook (1967). ed sharpe wrote: > tried to find the manual online, do you have any plans to PDF any of this >material? Not right now. I have just about everything I own packed up and in storage in anticipation of an up coming move, but as soon as I get a chance I'll send you a copy. I sent a link to your picture of the 3500 to the person at Brookhaven National Laboratory that was in charge of the 1997 recreation of the Higinbotham "Tennis For Two" demonstration. He is anxious to find a rack mounted Donner model 30 to be a part of a permanent display. The problem is that the model 3500 are much more common and easier to find. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog ========================================= From meltie at meltie.com Tue Aug 26 11:49:19 2003 From: meltie at meltie.com (meltie) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: VAX 11/750 PSU question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ...ok, I know i'm going to be asking quite a few of these! (see subject) Can anyone fill me in on the startup sequence of the VAX 11/750's PSUs - ie, do any specific rails come up before any others? Thanks alex/meltie From finotti.f at katamail.com Tue Aug 26 11:49:27 2003 From: finotti.f at katamail.com (Fabio Finotti) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Floppy interface Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030821205711.00a725b0@pop.katamail.com> Thanks to all for the information. If someone had documents about floppy interface, my email is finotti.f@katamail.com Thanks. Fabio From paulcopping at fairmount.fsbusiness.co.uk Tue Aug 26 11:49:35 2003 From: paulcopping at fairmount.fsbusiness.co.uk (Paul Copping) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Facit 4070 Message-ID: <001901c36826$7ece4880$0fed883e@com> Hi Tony Would you be able to let me have copies of the manuals for the 4070? I have one and don't know how to interface it to my PC so that I can print tapes to run my old tape controlled CNC's. I was using a Data Dynamics Zip which uses an Epson Punch but that has now expired and so I want to utilize the Facit. I believe you are in Cambridge? I live in Whittlesford and have my workshop in Meldreth. Look forward to hearing from you, Best regards Paul From vp at mcs.drexel.edu Tue Aug 26 11:49:43 2003 From: vp at mcs.drexel.edu (Vassilis Prevelakis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Trouble with HP 59309A Digital Clock Message-ID: <200308220613.h7M6DxRB002497@king.mcs.drexel.edu> I am trying to get that thing to send the current time to an HP-87 but so far it is refusing to work. I have succeded in sending commands TO the clock (e.g. OUTPUT 717;"P" stops the clock while OUTPUT 717;"T" restarts it). After both commands the "ADDRESSED" LED comes on, but if I do a ENTER 717;A$ the HP-87 freezes. I do not have the manual, so I am bit lost. I also have a couple of questions regarding this machine: a) What does the INT/EXT switch do? My machine appears to work only when the switch is in the INT position. b) Both data and time digits have their decimal points lit. Is this normal? Can I turn them off? Thanks **vp From cnygemini at hotmail.com Tue Aug 26 11:49:51 2003 From: cnygemini at hotmail.com (Will Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Workslate do you still have it ? Message-ID: I am interested in it if you do. Please drop me a line back. Thanks.  Will     I have a workslate,  workslate pen plotter, Several bits of software on the minicassettes the workslated uses. Who wants it? Whatcha got to trade? Anybody got a Poly 88 5 board working S100 bus computer? Atari Portfolio? Any HP handheld (hp 35, hp 67, hp 97, hp41, hp 71, hp 75) just because it's not  on the list doesn't mean I am not interested in it. Wanna trade? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. From Zartan917 at aol.com Tue Aug 26 11:49:59 2003 From: Zartan917 at aol.com (Zartan917@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: C64 Message-ID: <51.339a041b.2c77e432@aol.com> hi, I came across a thread about 5inch c64 disk conversion to PC...I would like to know if you can help transfer my Basic c64 file for a price? Please help? thank you! Gabe Walter. From enm.kass at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 26 11:50:08 2003 From: enm.kass at worldnet.att.net (Michael Kass) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Compupro M-Drive/H Message-ID: <000801c369bb$470f6d20$ae4afea9@athlon> Johan, Are you still looking for an manual for this board? I have one I can copy and send to you. Mike From jml at packetpimp.org Tue Aug 26 11:50:17 2003 From: jml at packetpimp.org (Jason LeBlanc) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Old VAX Wanted Message-ID: <3F4832E1.9010207@packetpimp.org> Hi Dave, I saw this post while googling to try and find an old VAX to play with. http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2003-April/020391.html Was hoping you might know of someone or some place I can look to find a working VAX to add to my home network for some VMS tinkering. ;) Jason From frederic.wailly at wanadoo.fr Tue Aug 26 11:50:38 2003 From: frederic.wailly at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Wailly?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Nextstep 3.3 (x86 floppy boot disk) Message-ID: <000801c36a23$c97eb5f0$dfdd3551@asus> On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Owen Robertson wrote: > on 10/3/02 12:30 AM, Lawrence Walker at lgwalker@mts.net wrote: > > Actually there are Intel "white" Next's. Doubtfull they would be Pentium > > based tho. > > I have a NeXTstep 3.x CD that says it contains the black and white (NeXT and > Intel) versions of the OS. So by 'Intel' does it mean PCs, or specialized > Intel based hardware? I always thought it meant that it would run on 486 and > higher PCs, but I haven't been able to get it to boot on any, which leads me > to believe that it isn't for generic Intel hardware. Or maybe I need a boot > floppy which I don't have. It runs just fine on Pentium systems, at least with the subset of video and network cards it supports. Up until the end of 2000, DreamWork's Animation used a variety of Dell Pentium systems, maybe even some PIIs, for their pencil test stations. In 2001, we moved to Linux/Intel based system. If you need a NEXTSTEP 3.3 boot floppy, I'll mail you an image which you can use dd or rawrite.exe to put onto a 1.44MB floppy. -brian. Hello. Is it possible to mail me this boot disk image (for booting NEXTSTEP 3.3 on a PC). Thanks. frederic.wailly@wanadoo.fr From shana at wackywitch.com Tue Aug 26 11:50:47 2003 From: shana at wackywitch.com (Muirgheal) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: IBM Selectric Manual Message-ID: <000901c36a72$929b67a0$7301a8c0@shana> Hi Jim, I found a post of yours to the cctech mailing list, stating that you have an IBM Selectric Manual. I was wondering if you could help me at all. I have one of the original 1960 IBM Selectrics, but the carriage (I think that's what it's called - the mechanism with the typing ball) stops at the tab position. When I hit return it moves to the farthest left position, but it will only move five spaces before stopping. After that it will only type in the same place until I hit return again. My husband seems to remember from his high school typing class, a three key combination that will "unlock" it from this position. Any ideas or advice you may have would be GREATLY appreciated. Thank you! Shana Leslie shana@wackywitch.com From OwnedByDogs at grandecom.net Tue Aug 26 11:50:55 2003 From: OwnedByDogs at grandecom.net (Kevin Monceaux) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: OpenVMS etc. In-Reply-To: <3F490C45.6050609@POGGS.CO.UK> References: <3F490C45.6050609@POGGS.CO.UK> Message-ID: Peter, I'm on the run so I can't go into much detail at the moment. If this doesn't get you going I can try to give more details later. First of all you need to know the device name for your CD-ROM drive. Mine is DKB400:. Type "SHOW DEVICE/PAGE" to list the devices on your system. The DK???? device with a wrtlck status is likely to be your CD-ROM drive. Substitute that name for DKB400: in the commands below. Type "MOUNT DKB400: VAXVMS073". That should mount the cd. I'm guessing on the volume label. I only have VMS 7.2. If that doesn't work try "MOUNT DKB400: /OVERRIDE=ID" to mount the cd without specifying a volume label. Then use the command "SET DEFAULT DKB400:[000000]" to change to the root directory of the cd-rom. Type "DIR" and look for the TCPIP directory. There should be a newer version than what I have on the CD. On the VMS7.2 cd it's "TCPIP_VAX050". Type "SET DEFAULT [.TCPIP_VAX050.DOCUMENTATION]" substituting the name of the TCPIP directory on your cd. In that directory there will be installation documentation that should guide you through the install. Kevin On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 08:04:37PM +0100, Peter Hicks wrote: > Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > > >Assuming you have a working CDROM drive on the box, you can MOUNT > >the CDROM drive, set the default directory to the KITS folder on > >the CDROM, and do the "vmsinstal ucx" or "installprod ucx", and > >any other package included. There used to be a small HOWTO text > >file included on that CDROM. > > This is my first dip in to OpenVMS. Could you give me an idiot's guide > to mounting the CD-ROM and installing TCP/IP? Coming from a strong UNIX > and Windows background, VMS is confusing me! > > Best wishes, > > > Peter. From mkohli2 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 11:51:05 2003 From: mkohli2 at yahoo.com (M Kohli) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Compaq 286 SLT Manual Question Message-ID: Compaq 286 SLT Question How does one select the external crt attached to the back of the unit? Thanks From craig.curtin at ubs.com Tue Aug 26 11:51:14 2003 From: craig.curtin at ubs.com (craig.curtin@ubs.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Conquest??? Message-ID: <3E62A5A0B8058845984FFA345CE894F2FACE62@NSTMC007PEX1.ubsgs.ubsgroup.net> This e-mail has been classified by the sender as: INTERNAL USE ONLY hi curt, you know if anything like this is available on current times? i remember staying after work a few nights a week to get like 8-10 of us playing. i was reminiscing over the weekend and googled for it.... this was a cool game. thanks, craig ========= Actually this is a Star Trek game involving ascii graphics on VT100 terminals, you would choose from Federation, Orion or Klingon ships. It was a really cool multi-user game, you could talk to the other players in real time and it got very addictive (until the Admin pulled it off the Vax cause it was killing it! :-) Curt Visit our website at http://www.ubs.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. From jwstephens_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 11:51:23 2003 From: jwstephens_2000 at yahoo.com (jim stephens) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: ACCRC really irked me Message-ID: <20030825190919.56466.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> >Ron, the first time was because you were there as my >guest. And since I >had my collection stored there I was part of the team and >was allowed >certain priveleges. I dealt with the Surplus exchange in Kansas City before the "public" was allowed in. These not for profits can sell in at last Missouri and I think here in CA w/o collecting any sales tax if they just go thru the effort to register properly. THere is no reason for an "attitude" unless they want to generate it. The surplus exchange invited in people that would tell them the maximum amount about what they had they had no experince with and how to get the maximum money for it. If there had been a group like this when they were getting all the 370s and such about 15 years ago, I would have had all you guys over them like stink on s**t, but some organizations get taken over with people who take care of their own needs and don't welcome other commers as competition for the good donations. The worst of this is in the Friends of the Bookstore groups, who have "collectors" and "dealers" on their boards to "help" with the donations. Anyway, lest this previous paragraph sound like it is directed at the pravious poster, Sellam, or anyone on this list, it is not. But the fact is, look at the Goodwill Computer sales and other thrift stores who are not for profit. THere is no reason that any group that is not for profit need have a problem for selling to the public. It is up to the charter of the operation who they sell to, or give to. The Surplus Exchange in Kansas City i think is one of the best examples of how to recycle equipment that there is anywhere. They have rules to get the most out of donations first directly to their "members" and other charities, in recycling better grade stuff directly to those groups, and then with variety of programs to extract value from the donations on down to just selling scrap. There have been rough spots in the road, but I dont think the result has been bad, and as I said I think they are one of the best to deal with anywhere. I know nothing of the group you mentioned, but what is on the list, and would be a bit put off they were not friendly as well. There is no reason they have to be other than their own choices. Jim From fritz_aus_dem_hause_chwolka at t-online.de Tue Aug 26 11:51:31 2003 From: fritz_aus_dem_hause_chwolka at t-online.de (Fritz Chwolka) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030824175116.3b77e76a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <19rO9o-1EfcSe0@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:51:16 +0000, Joe wrote: > I've run into a problem with a software company called IPSWITCH that I >thought the rest of you might like to know about before you have any >dealings with them. Thats a bad sign for those company . I use NFTP and when I lost my serialnumber I made a call and 2hours later I had the replacement without any trouble. That's why I like this guy Sergey Ayukov and his NFTP works well. You got it for a lot of OS and even for those bullshit M?Soft. make a try.. http://www.ayukov.com/nftp/ #NFTP Version 1.63 (Sep 7 2001, 20:29:20) -- OS/2 VIO sessi #Copyright (C) 1994--2000 Sergey Ayukov #Portions Copyright (C) Eric Young #Registered for Fritz Chwolka #Press F9 or Ctrl-F for menu Greetings from Fritz Chwolka > www.alterechner.de < From fritz_aus_dem_hause_chwolka at t-online.de Tue Aug 26 11:51:40 2003 From: fritz_aus_dem_hause_chwolka at t-online.de (Fritz Chwolka) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <200308252009.QAA16650@wordstock.com> Message-ID: <19rOCR-1sfgYa0@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:09:00 -0400 (edt), Bryan Pope wrote: >I think it's very bad to not require something in one place and then >accuse you of fraud when it isn't there. > >Their QA person needs to be reamed with a rusty iron poker. I'm from germany and so please tell me what is a rusty iron poker? Greetings from Fritz Chwolka > www.alterechner.de < From lwhite at darkfires.net Tue Aug 26 11:51:50 2003 From: lwhite at darkfires.net (Len White) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: apollo 715/50 Message-ID: i saw one of your posts while searching google.. did you manage to get a serial console with out using a keyboard? i can't find a keyboard anywhere... thanks len From JWTMUSICMAN at aol.com Tue Aug 26 11:51:59 2003 From: JWTMUSICMAN at aol.com (JWTMUSICMAN@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Intel 387SX-16 chip FREE! Message-ID: <1e5.eebab9e.2c7c833e@aol.com> Intel 387SX-16 chip FREE! JON TJORNHOM 2120 WEST OLD SHAKOPEE ROAD BLOOMINGTON, MN 55431 From leventhal at swhi.net Tue Aug 26 11:52:08 2003 From: leventhal at swhi.net (Ray Leventhal) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: Fujitsu FBM-U502GU-J Bubble Memory Drive Message-ID: <003301c36bd1$b18c6190$6401a8c0@RSL> Hi Ken, I saw your posting on the classiccmp.org listing from last March regarding the Fujitsu FBM-U502GU-J Bubble Memory Drives and was wondering if you might be willing to share some specs and/or perhaps be willing to part with one. I've a client working with different types of Bubble Cassette and Bubble Cartridge Modules who thinks such a unit would be helpful. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks, -Ray Leventhal, VP TechOps leventhal@swhi.net Sunshine Web Hosting, Inc. PO Box 212277 Royal Palm Beach, FL 33421-2277 [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] From I.Savvidis at cmc.ase.gr Tue Aug 26 11:52:17 2003 From: I.Savvidis at cmc.ase.gr (Savvidis Ioannis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: OSI offer Message-ID: Mr Palamara hello. Although I would presume it's a bit late, I was wondering whether the OSI C3B is still available. I'm looking forward to hearing from you, Kind regards John Savvidis From bpope at wordstock.com Tue Aug 26 12:05:00 2003 From: bpope at wordstock.com (Bryan Pope) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:27 2005 Subject: C64 In-Reply-To: <51.339a041b.2c77e432@aol.com> from "Zartan917@aol.com" at Aug 22, 03 05:25:06 pm Message-ID: <200308261645.MAA24022@wordstock.com> And thusly Zartan917@aol.com spake: > > hi, > I came across a thread about 5inch c64 disk conversion to PC...I would like > to know if you can help transfer my Basic c64 file for a price? Please help? > thank you! > Gabe Walter. > Gabe, Do you have a 1541 or 1571 drive available? If so, then you need to check out http://sta.c64.org and pick up a XE1541 cable and download Star Commander. This will allow you to transfer you C64 disk to a .d64 image file. Cheers, Bryan From bpope at wordstock.com Tue Aug 26 12:08:00 2003 From: bpope at wordstock.com (Bryan Pope) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <19rOCR-1sfgYa0@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> from "Fritz Chwolka" at Aug 25, 03 10:44:37 pm Message-ID: <200308261648.MAA06967@wordstock.com> And thusly Fritz Chwolka spake: > > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:09:00 -0400 (edt), Bryan Pope wrote: > > > >I think it's very bad to not require something in one place and then > >accuse you of fraud when it isn't there. > > > >Their QA person needs to be reamed with a rusty iron poker. > > I'm from germany and so please tell me what is a rusty iron poker? > Fritz, I was thinking of those things you use to adjust burning logs in a fireplace... ;) Cheers, Bryan From bob_lafleur at technologist.com Tue Aug 26 12:09:00 2003 From: bob_lafleur at technologist.com (Bob Lafleur) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: OT- Best Buy and AOL In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030821184558.00b3b850@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <006501c36bf3$c87a7780$023ca8c0@blafleur> That is definitely the BEST BUY I've seen on AOL CD's! -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ed Chapel Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:51 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: OT- Best Buy and AOL A bit off topic but true. Best Buy in the Portland, OR area has free AOL CD's on the rack with a price tag of $0.02 Wonder if they offer an extended warranty on them... From jrice54 at charter.net Tue Aug 26 12:23:00 2003 From: jrice54 at charter.net (James Rice) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Nextstep 3.3 (x86 floppy boot disk) In-Reply-To: <000801c36a23$c97eb5f0$dfdd3551@asus> References: <000801c36a23$c97eb5f0$dfdd3551@asus> Message-ID: <3F4B941B.9070809@charter.net> You can download the floppy images from: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=72667 James http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html Fr?d?ric Wailly wrote: >On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Owen Robertson wrote: > > >>on 10/3/02 12:30 AM, Lawrence Walker at lgwalker@mts.net wrote: >> >> > > > >>>Actually there are Intel "white" Next's. Doubtfull they would be Pentium >>>based tho. >>> >>> >>I have a NeXTstep 3.x CD that says it contains the black and white (NeXT >> >> >and > > >>Intel) versions of the OS. So by 'Intel' does it mean PCs, or specialized >>Intel based hardware? I always thought it meant that it would run on 486 >> >> >and > > >>higher PCs, but I haven't been able to get it to boot on any, which leads >> >> >me > > >>to believe that it isn't for generic Intel hardware. Or maybe I need a boot >>floppy which I don't have. >> >> > >It runs just fine on Pentium systems, at least with the subset of video >and network cards it supports. Up until the end of 2000, DreamWork's >Animation used a variety of Dell Pentium systems, maybe even some PIIs, >for their pencil test stations. In 2001, we moved to Linux/Intel based >system. > >If you need a NEXTSTEP 3.3 boot floppy, I'll mail you an image which you >can use dd or rawrite.exe to put onto a 1.44MB floppy. > >-brian. > >Hello. > >Is it possible to mail me this boot disk image (for booting NEXTSTEP 3.3 on a >PC). > >Thanks. > >frederic.wailly@wanadoo.fr From allain at panix.com Tue Aug 26 12:26:00 2003 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: IBM Selectric Manual References: <000901c36a72$929b67a0$7301a8c0@shana> Message-ID: <014d01c36bf5$ba7cb380$21fe54a6@ibm23xhr06> > Any ideas or advice you may have would be > GREATLY appreciated. The rightmargin works like what you are describing here. Make sure the two pointers on the front of the machine (the carriage indicator arrow will move between them) are set to the left hand and right hand of the machine, and not together. If I recall, the carriage ball will no longer type when at the rightmargin, so this is just a suggestion to try. John A. From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Tue Aug 26 12:37:00 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: OSI offer Message-ID: <200308261729.KAA00549@clulw009.amd.com> Hi I wonder if there is something different in the way the search engines are treating our mail group. We seem to be getting many of these kinds of messages. I think there are several today. I was also wondering if anyone that has answered one of these has gotten a reply? Twice I've sent to one of these request without a reply. Are these people for real or is it some method to get valid email addresses? Also, why don't these people just joint the mail group? Dwight >X-Authentication-Warning: huey.classiccmp.org: mailnull set sender to cctalk-admin using -f >From: "Savvidis Ioannis" >To: "'cctech@classiccmp.org'" >Subject: OSI offer > >Mr Palamara hello. > >Although I would presume it's a bit late, I was wondering whether the OSI >C3B is still available. > >I'm looking forward to hearing from you, > >Kind regards > >John Savvidis From mmcfadden at cmh.edu Tue Aug 26 12:40:01 2003 From: mmcfadden at cmh.edu (McFadden, Mike) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: OT: Ship based mainframe in movie(1961) Message-ID: <958B228E6A626242A3FEAB621C4C933550A9E4@exch2000.cmh.internal> I found out more about the movie. Made right before Steve McQueen did Great Escape. Two Naval officers were on leave and ran into civilian at the Lido casino who said that odds could be computed if they knew the past series of positions of the roulette ball. They recorded the positions and used a signal lamp to send them to their ship, officer on ship entered them into computer and relayed via signal lamp back the predicted next winning position. I think they always bet on the top 3 predicted positions. They were staying in a suite at the hotel and ran into a cute young women who turned out to be the admiral's daughter. The admiral was staying at the suite downstairs and noticed the flashing signal lamp and thought there were spies around. Nobody could decode the Morse code signals of the roulette positions. Finally all were found out and confessed to the "gambling". Mike From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 26 13:38:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Startrek Re: Conquest??? Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030825183504.3d0f50c0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 08:15 AM 8/25/03 -0400, you wrote: >This e-mail has been classified by the sender as: INTERNAL USE ONLY > >hi curt, >you know if anything like this is available on current times? Take a look at . Joe > >i remember staying after work a few nights a week to get like 8-10 >of us playing. i was reminiscing over the weekend and googled for >it.... this was a cool game. > >thanks, > >craig > > >========= >Actually this is a Star Trek game involving ascii graphics on VT100 >terminals, you would choose from Federation, Orion or Klingon ships. It was >a really cool multi-user game, you could talk to the other players in real >time and it got very addictive (until the Admin pulled it off the Vax cause >it was killing it! :-) > > >Curt > > >Visit our website at http://www.ubs.com > >This message contains confidential information and is intended only >for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you >should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please >notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this >e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. > >E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free >as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, >arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore >does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents >of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If >verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This >message is provided for informational purposes and should not be >construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or >related financial instruments. From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 26 13:38:59 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: HP-85 Re: anyone in rochester? In-Reply-To: <007701c36bee$478087a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030825184332.0eaf996e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 11:22 AM 8/26/03 -0500, you wrote: >I have a source willing to get me 4 RL02 drives, a bunch of cartridges for >same, and a bunch of RK05 packs - all located in Rochester, NY. He's not sure >he wants to ship. Any chance a listmember could pick up for me and ship for a >fee? > >>From same source I might also get a microvax, RSX distros and manuals, etc. > >I now have an RK05 drive, so I am hoping to get my 8E up and running in a real >fashion. Still need 16 sector packs for the RK05 though. Oh, and I also >recently acquired an HP-85, man that thing is cute! Yeap, they make nice little instrument controllers. I was reading 'Fire in the Valley' last night and it has a chapter on the HP-85. Funny to think that HP actually thought that the 85 could compete with the IBM PC as a general purpose computer! Anyone have an assembler >rom module they will part with, and an advanced programming rom? Or better >yet, has anyone managed to reproduce the ... whatsit called... rom programming >pack, so you can copy the roms and use them that way? Yes, someone has that going and I think you can download the ROM images off of the net now. But I THINK you have to have the Programmable ROM Assembly. I haven't kept up with it and I'm sure that VP or someone else here can tell you more than I can. Joe > >Jay West From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 26 13:39:07 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Trouble with HP 59309A Digital Clock In-Reply-To: <200308220613.h7M6DxRB002497@king.mcs.drexel.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030825183057.0eafce1c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 02:13 AM 8/22/03 -0400, you wrote: >I am trying to get that thing to send the current time to an HP-87 >but so far it is refusing to work. > >I have succeded in sending commands TO the clock (e.g. OUTPUT 717;"P" stops >the clock while OUTPUT 717;"T" restarts it). After both commands the >"ADDRESSED" LED comes on, but if I do a ENTER 717;A$ the HP-87 freezes. > >I do not have the manual, so I am bit lost. > >I also have a couple of questions regarding this machine: > >a) What does the INT/EXT switch do? My machine appears to work only when the > switch is in the INT position. That is correct. The Ext/Int switch controls wheather it uses an external or internal clock. With it in Ext position and no external clock source attached it will never count. >b) Both data and time digits have their decimal points lit. Is this normal? > Can I turn them off? IIRC that means that the clock hasn't been set yet. You do know that the front panel on these opens don't you? Underneath you'll find the switchs to set the time and some other things. I have a manual for these SOMEWHERE I can try to find it if you need it. Joe > >Thanks > >**vp From aek at spies.com Tue Aug 26 13:59:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Trouble with HP 59309A Digital Clock Message-ID: <200308261851.h7QIpCGq004717@spies.com> I just received a copy of the manual, and should have it scanned in a few days. From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 26 14:31:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030825131951.3e77d7d6@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > FTPMGR didn't fix the problem with it. Then I had the same idea that you > suggested so I downloaded and installed a demo version (in a completely > separate directory) but when I installed it and tried it EVERYTHING locked > up. I reset and rebooted and tried the LE version again and it no longer > worked either. That's when I decided to call IPSWITCH and find out why they You should go through the registry, find anything having to do with IPSWITCH or WSFTP (or whatever) and delete those keys. Also, make sure any remants of the original install are gone (do an uninstall and also verify that the directory is obliterated). Then try installing the demo version. It should work now, providing they didn't do something sneaky like put a key file somewhere in your file structure, which may be difficult to track down. Of course, if you've already moved on this may be moot, but it's good to know in case you ever need to do this in the future. > I took your suggestion and downloaded and installed SecureFX last night. I don't think you'll be disappointed. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 26 14:53:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: ACCRC really irked me In-Reply-To: <20030825190919.56466.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, jim stephens wrote: > I dealt with the Surplus exchange in Kansas City before the "public" was > allowed in. These not for profits can sell in at last Missouri and I > think here in CA w/o collecting any sales tax if they just go thru the > effort to register properly. THere is no reason for an "attitude" unless > they want to generate it. Or perhaps they'd just rather not deal with the hassle. The attitude expressed above is the reason why they'd rather not deal with it. > If there had been a group like this when they were > getting all the 370s and such about 15 years ago, I > would have had all you guys over them like stink on > s**t, but some organizations get taken over with 15 years ago there wasn't much of a market for old computers for personal collections. Stink on shit? Nice. > Anyway, lest this previous paragraph sound like it is directed at the > pravious poster, Sellam, or anyone on this list, it is not. But the fact > is, look at the Goodwill Computer sales and other thrift stores who are > not for profit. THere is no reason that any group that is not for profit > need have a problem for selling to the public. It is up to the charter > of the operation who they sell to, or give to. Sure, legally there is no problem. But you are dismissing the administrative hassles and the resources required to do this sort of thing. > I know nothing of the group you mentioned, but what > is on the list, and would be a bit put off they were > not friendly as well. There is no reason they have to > be other than their own choices. It would have probably been best if Mike called before heading substantially out of his way to visit. If someone showed up on your doorstep wanting to buy your sofa, but you weren't offering it for sale, you might be a little annoyed too. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 26 14:54:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Intel 387SX-16 chip FREE! In-Reply-To: <1e5.eebab9e.2c7c833e@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 JWTMUSICMAN@aol.com wrote: > Intel 387SX-16 chip FREE! I'll take 5 million, please! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 26 14:55:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <19rOCR-1sfgYa0@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Fritz Chwolka wrote: > >Their QA person needs to be reamed with a rusty iron poker. > > I'm from germany and so please tell me what is a rusty iron poker? A rather unpleasant dildo, of sorts (at least in this context). -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 26 14:55:09 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Workslate do you still have it ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: These kinds of messages are almost getting as bad as the spam. On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Will Davis wrote: > I am interested in it if you do. Please drop me a line back. Thanks.??Will?????I > have a workslate,? workslate pen plotter, Several bits of software on > the minicassettes the workslated uses. > > Who wants it? > > Whatcha got to trade? > > Anybody got a Poly 88 5 board working S100 bus computer? > > Atari Portfolio? > > Any HP handheld (hp 35, hp 67, hp 97, hp41, hp 71, hp 75) > > just because it's not? on the list doesn't mean I am not interested in > it. > > Wanna trade? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. > -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 26 14:57:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: OT: Ship based mainframe in movie(1961) In-Reply-To: <958B228E6A626242A3FEAB621C4C933550A9E4@exch2000.cmh.internal> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, McFadden, Mike wrote: > Two Naval officers were on leave and ran into civilian at the Lido > casino who said that odds could be computed if they knew the past series > of positions of the roulette ball. They recorded the positions and used > a signal lamp to send them to their ship, officer on ship entered them > into computer and relayed via signal lamp back the predicted next > winning position. I think they always bet on the top 3 predicted > positions. > > They were staying in a suite at the hotel and ran into a cute young > women who turned out to be the admiral's daughter. The admiral was > staying at the suite downstairs and noticed the flashing signal lamp and > thought there were spies around. Nobody could decode the Morse code > signals of the roulette positions. > > Finally all were found out and confessed to the "gambling". Sounds like a perfectly nerdy movie to rent for the weekend, along with Hot Millions :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From jwest at classiccmp.org Tue Aug 26 15:00:00 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Workslate do you still have it ? References: Message-ID: <018401c36c0b$a2df7760$033310ac@kwcorp.com> I agree totally. However, the only way to deal with it is close the list from public posting, or have me read each post in detail and make a judgement call. I'm open to suggestions. Jay West ----- Original Message ----- From: Vintage Computer Festival To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Workslate do you still have it ? These kinds of messages are almost getting as bad as the spam. On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Will Davis wrote: > I am interested in it if you do. Please drop me a line back. Thanks. Will I > have a workslate, workslate pen plotter, Several bits of software on > the minicassettes the workslated uses. > > Who wants it? > > Whatcha got to trade? > > Anybody got a Poly 88 5 board working S100 bus computer? > > Atari Portfolio? > > Any HP handheld (hp 35, hp 67, hp 97, hp41, hp 71, hp 75) > > just because it's not on the list doesn't mean I am not interested in > it. > > Wanna trade? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. > -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From marvin at rain.org Tue Aug 26 15:15:00 2003 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Workslate do you still have it ? References: <018401c36c0b$a2df7760$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <3F4BBE03.34DC27E0@rain.org> I disagree; there just aren't enough of this type of postings to be concerned about ... except for those people with an excess of time on their hands :). And they are on topic! Jay West wrote: > > I agree totally. > > However, the only way to deal with it is close the list from public posting, > or have me read each post in detail and make a judgement call. I'm open to > suggestions. > > Jay West > > From: Vintage Computer Festival > These kinds of messages are almost getting as bad as the spam. > > On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Will Davis wrote: > > > I am interested in it if you do. Please drop me a line back. Thanks. Will > I > > have a workslate, workslate pen plotter, Several bits of software on > > the minicassettes the workslated uses. > > > > Who wants it? > > > > Whatcha got to trade? > > > > Anybody got a Poly 88 5 board working S100 bus computer? > > > > Atari Portfolio? > > > > Any HP handheld (hp 35, hp 67, hp 97, hp41, hp 71, hp 75) > > > > just because it's not on the list doesn't mean I am not interested in > > it. > > > > Wanna trade? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. > > > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer > Festival > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger > http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers > ] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org > ] From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 26 15:20:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Workslate do you still have it ? In-Reply-To: <018401c36c0b$a2df7760$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Jay West wrote: > However, the only way to deal with it is close the list from public posting, > or have me read each post in detail and make a judgement call. I'm open to > suggestions. Perhaps a simple disclaimer before each message stating something to the effect of, "The message below is from an archive of a mailing list. Please check the date of the posting before replying. The message may be very old and not relevant any longer. You should also know that any message sent in reply to this one will be posted to the mailing list, and will most likely not result in any useful contact. You should consider subscribing to the mailing list and then posting your question properly." Put it in red and a slightly larger font. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Tue Aug 26 15:20:10 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Workslate do you still have it ? Message-ID: <200308262012.NAA00677@clulw009.amd.com> Hi Jay Since my experience has been that most of these people don't tend to reply to email, a verification mail might work. If someone is not on the list and they send to the list, just have a message sent to them, asking if they, as non-list members want that mail posted to the list with yet another verification address to send to. Those that use multiple emailing addresses may have to deal with it a little but maybe they can just sign up for each address. Dwight >From: "Jay West" > >I agree totally. > >However, the only way to deal with it is close the list from public posting, >or have me read each post in detail and make a judgement call. I'm open to >suggestions. > >Jay West > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vintage Computer Festival > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: Workslate do you still have it ? > > > These kinds of messages are almost getting as bad as the spam. > > On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Will Davis wrote: > > > I am interested in it if you do. Please drop me a line back. Thanks. Will >I > > have a workslate, workslate pen plotter, Several bits of software on > > the minicassettes the workslated uses. > > > > Who wants it? > > > > Whatcha got to trade? > > > > Anybody got a Poly 88 5 board working S100 bus computer? > > > > Atari Portfolio? > > > > Any HP handheld (hp 35, hp 67, hp 97, hp41, hp 71, hp 75) > > > > just because it's not on the list doesn't mean I am not interested in > > it. > > > > Wanna trade? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. > > > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer >Festival > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger >http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers >] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org >] From aek at spies.com Tue Aug 26 15:24:01 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Workslate do you still have it? Message-ID: <200308262016.h7QKGjBe014502@spies.com> > And they are on topic! The problem is, people are posting from old messages from google searches and may not even know enough to look at the current msgs for replies (they don't know they're sending to a mailing list) Would it be possible to change the reply address on messages older than a few months to something other than the cctalk address? At least you could auto send a reply to them saying that you aren't sending a message to the person that posted the message. From gerold.pauler at gmx.net Tue Aug 26 15:24:11 2003 From: gerold.pauler at gmx.net (Gerold Pauler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: I have an ASR 33 TTY with a trashed printball, References: Message-ID: <3F4BC024.7010107@gmx.net> Tim Corrie Jr schrieb: > I saw a message from you on some messageboard, A year ago I got an ASR33 and > it worked, but unbeknowns to me the rubber? cover over the hammer had fallen > off/disintegrated/wasn't there, it wasn't until the print started to degrade I > realized what was going on. So now I need a new printball and some advice on > what to do about the missing rubber? hammer cover. I take a standard rubber (eraser), a knife and, the cap of an ink pen to build my own. Using the cap (fortunately the same diameter as the hammer) an the knive to form the drill hole and the knive for the rest of the shape. Other people reported good results with cushions (multiple layers) of insulating tape or heat shrink tubing fixed with insulating tape. http://pdp8.de Gerold From dwightk.elvey at amd.com Tue Aug 26 15:47:00 2003 From: dwightk.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Workslate do you still have it ? Message-ID: <200308262038.NAA00690@clulw009.amd.com> Hi Marvin Have you had any respond to mail you sent? I've sent to two of these so far and had no replies. Dwight >From: "Marvin Johnston" > >I disagree; there just aren't enough of this type of postings to be >concerned about ... except for those people with an excess of time on >their hands :). And they are on topic! > >Jay West wrote: >> >> I agree totally. >> >> However, the only way to deal with it is close the list from public posting, >> or have me read each post in detail and make a judgement call. I'm open to >> suggestions. >> >> Jay West >> >> From: Vintage Computer Festival >> These kinds of messages are almost getting as bad as the spam. >> >> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Will Davis wrote: >> >> > I am interested in it if you do. Please drop me a line back. Thanks. Will >> I >> > have a workslate, workslate pen plotter, Several bits of software on >> > the minicassettes the workslated uses. >> > >> > Who wants it? >> > >> > Whatcha got to trade? >> > >> > Anybody got a Poly 88 5 board working S100 bus computer? >> > >> > Atari Portfolio? >> > >> > Any HP handheld (hp 35, hp 67, hp 97, hp41, hp 71, hp 75) >> > >> > just because it's not on the list doesn't mean I am not interested in >> > it. >> > >> > Wanna trade? >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. >> > >> >> -- >> >> Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer >> Festival >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> International Man of Intrigue and Danger >> http://www.vintage.org >> >> [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers >> ] >> [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org >> ] From uban at ubanproductions.com Tue Aug 26 16:00:00 2003 From: uban at ubanproductions.com (Tom Uban) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Old computers or workstations with cache memory? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030826154946.00a04738@mail.ubanproductions.com> Gould made a number of machines which had a two way set associative cache. The Gould 9000, 8600, and 67 all had this style of cache memory. The 9000 also had an expandable cache which they called shadow memory that worked by overlaying a block of DRAM. I don't know for sure the dates of these machines, but I think only the 8600 was pre 83, possibly mid to late 82. --tom At 03:38 AM 8/26/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I'm doing some research for a client and am seeking out information on >computers or processors prior to 1983 that implemented cache memory in the >processor. > >Can anyone think of any other than the following: > >Amdahl 470 V/6 >Amdahl 470 V/6-II >Amdahl 470 V/8 >Amdahl 580 >Data General Eclipse MV/4000 >Data General Eclipse MV/8000C >Data General Eclipse MV/8000II >Data General Eclipse MV/10000 >HP 3000 Series 64 >IBM 3033 >IBM 3038 >IBM 3081K >IBM 3084 >NEC S/1000 >SGI Power >Zilog Z8000 >Zilog Z80000 > >? > >Thanks! > >-- > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > >[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] >[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From marvin at rain.org Tue Aug 26 16:37:00 2003 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Workslate do you still have it ? References: <200308262038.NAA00690@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <3F4BD135.23DC5196@rain.org> No; but then again I have never responded to any of the posts. So far, they are merely interesting but contain nothing that I am interested in enough to email back! "Dwight K. Elvey" wrote: > > Hi Marvin > Have you had any respond to mail you sent? I've sent > to two of these so far and had no replies. > Dwight > > >From: "Marvin Johnston" > > > >I disagree; there just aren't enough of this type of postings to be > >concerned about ... except for those people with an excess of time on > >their hands :). And they are on topic! > > > >Jay West wrote: > >> > >> I agree totally. > >> > >> However, the only way to deal with it is close the list from public posting, > >> or have me read each post in detail and make a judgement call. I'm open to > >> suggestions. > >> > >> Jay West > >> > >> From: Vintage Computer Festival > >> These kinds of messages are almost getting as bad as the spam. > >> > >> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Will Davis wrote: > >> > >> > I am interested in it if you do. Please drop me a line back. Thanks. Will > >> I > >> > have a workslate, workslate pen plotter, Several bits of software on > >> > the minicassettes the workslated uses. > >> > > >> > Who wants it? > >> > > >> > Whatcha got to trade? > >> > > >> > Anybody got a Poly 88 5 board working S100 bus computer? > >> > > >> > Atari Portfolio? > >> > > >> > Any HP handheld (hp 35, hp 67, hp 97, hp41, hp 71, hp 75) > >> > > >> > just because it's not on the list doesn't mean I am not interested in > >> > it. > >> > > >> > Wanna trade? > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer > >> Festival > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> --- > >> International Man of Intrigue and Danger > >> http://www.vintage.org > >> > >> [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers > >> ] > >> [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org > >> ] From arcarlini at iee.org Tue Aug 26 17:20:00 2003 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Venturis question In-Reply-To: <04a701c36b96$600ff1f0$4000a8c0@helpdesk> Message-ID: <006301c36c1f$34105f20$5b01a8c0@athlon> > Can anyone ID a Digital PC based on this Model? > VENTURIS S100 MODEL FR-A711AZ-00 > I *think* it's really a Venturis 5100 but I can't seem to get > anything anywhere to find anything on the model number > quoted. The owner is trying to get some ram for it, if it's a > 5100 then it looks to be common or garden 16mb 72pin non parity. > Anyone able to confirm? I'm reasonably sure you have a Venturis 5100 (five not ess). Amazingly, the old PC stuff still inhabits part of the HP website! http://h18000.www1.hp.com/legacysupport/digital/ven5xxx.html Worth grabbing them all while you are there - the parts list was small so I looked and it does list the SIMMs but does not explicitly state whether they are ECC or not etc. The service manual may be more informative. I have an old Celebris in use here (same sort of era - or at least decade) as the Venturis and I've certainly dropped standard non-dec memory into that with no issues. Maybe I was lucky and had the BIOS set right? Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 26 17:58:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: I have an ASR 33 TTY with a trashed printball, In-Reply-To: from "Tim Corrie Jr" at Aug 21, 3 10:19:47 am Message-ID: [...] > realized what was going on. So now I need a new printball and some advice on > what to do about the missing rubber? hammer cover. One problem is that even if you can find an original spare (and I think I had a few _somewhere_), it's almost certainly going to have decayed and become soft by now.. One suggestions is a stick-on cabinet foot, available from good electronics shops. Probably not the right hardness, but it should work a lot better than nothing. Finding a type cylioder is a much bigger problem! -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 26 17:58:26 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Facit 4070 In-Reply-To: <001901c36826$7ece4880$0fed883e@com> from "Paul Copping" at Aug 21, 3 09:55:03 pm Message-ID: > Hi Tony > > Would you be able to let me have copies of the manuals for the 4070? I certainly still have them, but it's going to take some time to get them copied... Have you tried Facit, BTW? Last time I checked they still had some spares and manuals for the 4070, and the manuals were not that expensive. You want the service manual and the parts list (the latter includes all the exploded diagrams). > > I have one and don't know how to interface it to my PC so that I can print > tapes to run my old tape controlled CNC's. This depends one which interface board you have in the 4070. The native interface for the punch control board is an 8 bit parallel interface. It's close to Centronics, but some signals are inverted and/or have different timing. I think a couple of TTL chips will kludge it. The standard 4070 has a bridge board in the lower slot. This connects the DB25 socket on the back to the punch control board, so the external interface is that 8 bit parallel one. However, Facit also made RS232/current loop and IEEE-488 interfaces to fit there. And maybe some custom ones. Any ideas what you have? > > I was using a Data Dynamics Zip which uses an Epson Punch but that has now > expired and so I want to utilize the Facit. > > I believe you are in Cambridge? Not any more. I was 6 years ago, but that contract ended, and I've been unwaged since them. I'm currently in London... -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 26 17:59:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Trouble with HP 59309A Digital Clock In-Reply-To: <200308220613.h7M6DxRB002497@king.mcs.drexel.edu> from "Vassilis Prevelakis" at Aug 22, 3 02:13:59 am Message-ID: > a) What does the INT/EXT switch do? My machine appears to work only when the > switch is in the INT position. Probably for the master clock oscillator. HP intruments that need an accurate master clock (real time clocks, frequency counters, etc) have a reasonably good INTernal clock (crystal, possibly oven-stabilised), and an input for an external clock (often 10MHz) from, say, an atomic beam standard (!). If you set that switch to EXT, then there's no clock signal. This may well be the clock for the control logic too, so it might not even respond to the HPIB interface at all. -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 26 17:59:09 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <19rOCR-1sfgYa0@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> from "Fritz Chwolka" at Aug 25, 3 10:44:37 pm Message-ID: > I'm from germany and so please tell me what is a rusty iron poker? Rusty : covered in rust (iron oxide) Iron : You know what that means :-) Poker : A metal rod with a tapered end used for rearranging the fuel (coal, wood, etc) in a old-fashioned fireplace (used to heat rooms, etc) However, I think here it was being suggested that this tool should be inserted up the a**hole (bum, bottom, backside, etc) of whoever runs the company in question :-) -tony From esharpe at uswest.net Tue Aug 26 18:36:00 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (Ed Sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: donner analog computer References: <003901c36812$6346f300$f051e50c@attbi.com> Message-ID: <014901c36c32$2522ad20$968aa5ac@aoldsl.net> >>>>The problem is that the model 3500 are much more common and easier to find. really? this is the only one I have run across... we treasure it here at the museum! should be fun to bring it back to life! Looking at some you have on your site was a real eye- opener for me, I did not realize how many different ones there were! thanks ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Coward" To: Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: Re: donner analog computer > I wrote: > > I sent this reply a couple of days ago but it never > >appeared in the digest so I can only assume that > >it went into the univeral bit bucket. Here it is again. > > OK it didn't get lost, the digest I received yesterday > covered August 16-20. > > ed sharpe wrote: > >Doug, Kudos on the Korn complements, could not > >think of a better source of congrats. > > Dr. Korn's web site is at http://members.aol.com/gatmkorn > For those that are not familar with Dr. Korn's books - > Books authored or co-authored by Dr Granino Korn: > 1952 - Electronic Analog Computers > 1956 - Electronic Analog Computers (second edition) > 1961 - Mathematical Handbook for Scientists and Engineers > 1964 - Electronic Analog and Hybrid Computers > 1965 - Basic Tables in Electrical Engineering > 1965 - Random-process Simulation and Measurements > 1968 - Manual of Mathematics > 1968 - Mathematical Handbook for Scientists and Engineers (second edition) > 1972 - Electronic Analog and Hybrid Computers (second edition) > 1973 - Minicomputers for Engineers and Scientists > 1975 - Operational Amplifier Theory and Applications > 1978 - Microprocessors and Small Digital Computer Systems > 1989 - Interactive Dynamic-system Simulation > 1991 - Neural-network Experiments on Personal Computers and Workstations > 1991 - Operational Amplifier Theory and Applications (second edition) > 1995 - Neural Networks and Fuzzy-logic Control on Personal Computers and > Workstations > 1998 - Interactive Dynamic-system Simulation under Microsoft Windows > > co-editor-in chief of the McGraw-Hill Computer Handbook (1962) and > the Digital Computer User's Handbook (1967). > > ed sharpe wrote: > > tried to find the manual online, do you have any plans to PDF any of > this > >material? > > Not right now. I have just about everything I own packed up and in storage > in anticipation of an up coming move, but as soon as I get a chance I'll > send you a copy. > > I sent a link to your picture of the 3500 to the person at Brookhaven > National Laboratory that was in charge of the 1997 recreation of the > Higinbotham "Tennis For Two" demonstration. He is anxious to find > a rack mounted Donner model 30 to be a part of a permanent display. > The problem is that the model 3500 are much more common and > easier to find. > --Doug > ========================================= > Doug Coward > @ home in Poulsbo, WA > > Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center > http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog > ========================================= From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Aug 26 19:42:01 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Today's hauls Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030826004724.0e776bf2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> I went to Titusville today and rescued the NEC APC that Bill Yakowenko posted a message about earlier this week. It's a model APC-H03P and the box says that it has a color CRT. Can anyone tell me what it has in it based on the model number? Can anyone send me disks or docs for it? Looks like this one . While I was there I found a DEC DECstaation 3100 with external tape drive, external hard drive and a BIG box of Ultrix/32 manuals. I grabbed it to. Anyone have any info on this one? Joe From jrkeys at concentric.net Tue Aug 26 20:02:00 2003 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Today's hauls References: <3.0.6.16.20030826004724.0e776bf2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <001801c36c35$ba26fe50$f408dd40@oemcomputer> Good haul :-) I have a DecStation 3100 also but no info. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:47 AM Subject: Today's hauls > I went to Titusville today and rescued the NEC APC that Bill Yakowenko > posted a message about earlier this week. It's a model APC-H03P and the box > says that it has a color CRT. Can anyone tell me what it has in it based on > the model number? Can anyone send me disks or docs for it? Looks like this > one . > > While I was there I found a DEC DECstaation 3100 with external tape > drive, external hard drive and a BIG box of Ultrix/32 manuals. I grabbed it > to. Anyone have any info on this one? > > Joe From loedman1 at juno.com Tue Aug 26 20:12:00 2003 From: loedman1 at juno.com (loedman1@juno.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Was WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch, now metallurgy Message-ID: <20030826.180203.-117315.5.loedman1@juno.com> >>Their QA person needs to be reamed with a rusty iron poker. >I'm from germany and so please tell me what is a rusty iron poker? >Greetings from >Fritz Chwolka That would be one of two things, either a person who pokes rusty iron or a tool used to poke a fire in a stove or fireplace Rich Stephenson From jwest at classiccmp.org Tue Aug 26 20:22:00 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: HP-85 Re: anyone in rochester? References: <3.0.6.16.20030825184332.0eaf996e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <333b01c36c38$7de11fe0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> > >Oh, and I also > >recently acquired an HP-85, man that thing is cute! > > Yeap, they make nice little instrument controllers. I was reading 'Fire > in the Valley' last night and it has a chapter on the HP-85. Funny to think > that HP actually thought that the 85 could compete with the IBM PC as a > general purpose computer! Oh man, I gotta disagree. The HP-85 is a wonderful machine and in most respects IS a general purpose computer. I'll take it over an IBM PC any day of the week. But in addition to playing with it standalone, wonder what it could do with my 1631D analyzer. I am assuming my 2225 thinkjet will work on it. Need to find what floppies and hard disks are supported via the HP-IB module too. I am hoping there are other '85 enthusiasts on the list? I have some spare roms... looking for the assembler rom. Saw some mention of pascal for this beast too! Ok, has anyone found a decent source for the DC100 tapes it uses, or am I doomed to pay ebay prices for each tape? Sorry, acting like a kid at christmas :> Jay West From healyzh at aracnet.com Tue Aug 26 20:56:00 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Today's hauls In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030826004724.0e776bf2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> from "Joe" at Aug 26, 2003 12:47:24 AM Message-ID: <200308270146.h7R1klnU017176@onyx.spiritone.com> > While I was there I found a DEC DECstaation 3100 with external tape > drive, external hard drive and a BIG box of Ultrix/32 manuals. I grabbed it > to. Anyone have any info on this one? Check http://www.netbsd.org as they're probably the best source of DECstation info on the net. Basically it's a really slow old MIPS based system, from my point of view, the best two things are the tape drive and the box of manuals. Zane From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Tue Aug 26 21:09:00 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Was WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch, now metallurgy In-Reply-To: <20030826.180203.-117315.5.loedman1@juno.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826220028.00a70970@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> > a tool used to poke a fire in a stove or fireplace Or a campfire? At 06:02 PM 8/26/03 -0700, you wrote: > >>Their QA person needs to be reamed with a rusty iron poker. > > >I'm from germany and so please tell me what is a rusty iron poker? > > > > >Greetings from > >Fritz Chwolka > >That would be one of two things, either a person who pokes rusty iron > or a tool used to poke a fire in a stove or fireplace > > Rich Stephenson From loedman1 at juno.com Tue Aug 26 21:13:00 2003 From: loedman1 at juno.com (loedman1@juno.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Was ACCRC, now really OT Message-ID: <20030826.190413.-117315.8.loedman1@juno.com> >> Oh, Rifraff are we?? >Of course not! >But we can aspire to move up to that. At the age of 47 I have finally reached the pinnacle of riffraffism, I get two hair cuts a year, shave once a week, wear scratched bifocals, drive a Ford F450 Super duty, Diesel no less, have a Jack Russell terrier named George, often fart in public and, are you ready for this, use a Packard Bell as my primary computer. Any one care to try and beat that? Riffraff Rich Stephenson From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 26 21:13:20 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Workslate do you still have it ? In-Reply-To: <3F4BD135.23DC5196@rain.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Marvin Johnston wrote: > No; but then again I have never responded to any of the posts. So far, > they are merely interesting but contain nothing that I am interested in > enough to email back! "Merely interesting?" I find them to be just the opposite. In either case, a simple disclaimer as I have described would probably cut down on these annoyances. No need to argue. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Tue Aug 26 21:16:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Today's hauls In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030826004724.0e776bf2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > I went to Titusville today and rescued the NEC APC that Bill Yakowenko > posted a message about earlier this week. It's a model APC-H03P and the box > says that it has a color CRT. Can anyone tell me what it has in it based on > the model number? Can anyone send me disks or docs for it? Looks like this > one . Joe, I've got the non-color version, though that color screen looks very nice in comparison. Let me know if you need any OS disks or manual copies. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From patrick at evocative.com Wed Aug 27 00:30:00 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Was ACCRC, now really OT In-Reply-To: <20030826.190413.-117315.8.loedman1@juno.com> Message-ID: > At the age of 47 I have finally reached the pinnacle of riffraffism, I > get two hair cuts a year, shave once a week, wear scratched bifocals, > drive a Ford F450 Super duty, Diesel no less, have a Jack Russell terrier > named George, often fart in public and, are you ready for this, use a > Packard Bell as my primary computer. Any one care to try and beat that? > > Riffraff Rich Stephenson Now I'm sure we're related. --Patrick From nico at farumdata.dk Wed Aug 27 00:46:00 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch References: Message-ID: <009301c36c5d$155bc540$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Fritz Chwolka wrote: > > > >Their QA person needs to be reamed with a rusty iron poker. > > > > I'm from germany and so please tell me what is a rusty iron poker? > > A rather unpleasant dildo, of sorts (at least in this context). > In Denmark, we have an even more unpleasant way of expressing that we are not satisfied: "He should be shot with a lukewarm shit". Unpleasant thought... Nico From vcf at siconic.com Wed Aug 27 02:14:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <009301c36c5d$155bc540$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Nico de Jong wrote: > In Denmark, we have an even more unpleasant way of expressing that we > are not satisfied: "He should be shot with a lukewarm shit". Unpleasant > thought... Along those lines, we here in Mugtamia have an expression: "He should be forced to swim in the vomit of one who has just eaten a gallon of feces." -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vance at neurotica.com Wed Aug 27 03:50:01 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Was WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch, now metallurgy In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826220028.00a70970@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Message-ID: I've never carried a poker to a campsite. Peace... Sridhar On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Mail List wrote: > > a tool used to poke a fire in a stove or fireplace > > Or a campfire? From cmcnabb at 4mcnabb.net Wed Aug 27 05:52:00 2003 From: cmcnabb at 4mcnabb.net (Christopher McNabb) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:28 2005 Subject: Was ACCRC, now really OT In-Reply-To: <20030826.190413.-117315.8.loedman1@juno.com> References: <20030826.190413.-117315.8.loedman1@juno.com> Message-ID: <1061981092.22663.5.camel@unix> On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 22:04, loedman1@juno.com wrote: > >> Oh, Rifraff are we?? > >Of course not! > >But we can aspire to move up to that. > > At the age of 47 I have finally reached the pinnacle of riffraffism, I > get two hair cuts a year, shave once a week, wear scratched bifocals, > drive a Ford F450 Super duty, Diesel no less, have a Jack Russell terrier > named George, often fart in public and, are you ready for this, use a > Packard Bell as my primary computer. Any one care to try and beat that? > Age 40, just did my semi-annual shave this morning, Drive a 1982 Ford Bronco (with a souped up engine) and a 1963 all-stock Chevy Nova, live on a farm, fart AND belch in public, have a black lab named Max who is so old he is going white around the muzzle, own several weapons (including a muzzle-loader), and have a both a Tandy 100 and a slide-rule sitting on my desk at work, both of which get used often. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher L McNabb Tel: 540 231 7554 Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb@vt.edu Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.205622N 80.414595W GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 27 06:01:00 2003 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Was WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch, now metallurgy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030827105344.93045.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> > I've never carried a poker to a campsite. you carry the campsite to the poker? ===== Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? 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Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 27 06:05:00 2003 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Was WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch, now metallurgy In-Reply-To: <20030826.180203.-117315.5.loedman1@juno.com> Message-ID: <20030827105739.68400.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> --- loedman1@juno.com wrote: > >>Their QA person needs to be reamed with a rusty iron poker. > > >I'm from germany and so please tell me what is a rusty iron poker? > > That would be one of two things, either a person who pokes rusty iron > or a tool used to poke a fire in a stove or fireplace Or a robot designed to prod implements for smoothing out creases in clothes, which has been left in saline water for too long... back to bed for me I think... :) ===== Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From vance at neurotica.com Wed Aug 27 06:58:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Was WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch, now metallurgy In-Reply-To: <20030827105344.93045.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, [iso-8859-1] Jules Richardson wrote: > > I've never carried a poker to a campsite. > > you carry the campsite to the poker? I just use a stick. Peace... Sridhar From huw.davies at kerberos.davies.net.au Wed Aug 27 07:33:00 2003 From: huw.davies at kerberos.davies.net.au (Huw Davies) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Old computers or workstations with cache memory? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030826154946.00a04738@mail.ubanproductions.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030826154946.00a04738@mail.ubanproductions.com> Message-ID: <1061987155.868.12.camel@newton.gb.davies.net.au> On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 06:53, Tom Uban wrote: > Gould made a number of machines which had a two way set associative > cache. The Gould 9000, 8600, and 67 all had this style of cache memory. > The 9000 also had an expandable cache which they called shadow memory > that worked by overlaying a block of DRAM. You can add the VAX-11/780, Digital's KL-10 (and maybe KI-10) processors. The 780 dates from around 1978, the KL-10 from about 1976 and the KI-10 from about 1972. -- Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies@kerberos.davies.net.au Melbourne | "If soccer was meant to be played in the Australia | air, the sky would be painted green" From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 27 09:34:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: HP-85 Re: anyone in rochester? In-Reply-To: <333b01c36c38$7de11fe0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> References: <3.0.6.16.20030825184332.0eaf996e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030826131342.3267ca38@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 08:13 PM 8/26/03 -0500, you wrote: >> >Oh, and I also >> >recently acquired an HP-85, man that thing is cute! >> >> Yeap, they make nice little instrument controllers. I was reading 'Fire >> in the Valley' last night and it has a chapter on the HP-85. Funny to >think >> that HP actually thought that the 85 could compete with the IBM PC as a >> general purpose computer! > >Oh man, I gotta disagree. The HP-85 is a wonderful machine and in most >respects IS a general purpose computer. I'll take it over an IBM PC any day >of the week. But in addition to playing with it standalone, wonder what it >could do with my 1631D analyzer. I am assuming my 2225 thinkjet will work on >it. Need to find what floppies and hard disks are supported via the HP-IB >module too. Unfortunately, not many. Is your's just an 85 or is it an 85B? I'm assuming that it's just an 85 since you didn't say it was a B. The B has a built-in Mass Storage ROM. You can add that ROM to your 85 and use it with the HP 9121 disk drive. I think the same ROM also supports the old 52901 5 1/4" and HP 9895 8" disk drives. The only hard drive that's supported by that ROM is the HP-9133/9134 option 010. That option makes the 5 Mb drive look like 3 1.5Mb 9895 disk drives. Note that some of the 9133/9134s have a switch inside to trun that option off and on so you may be able to buy a regular 9133/9134 and turn it into an option 010 drive. I've only found one like that but the drive in it is bad so I haven't been able to try it. The 010 drives are rare. I've only found one of them but I have 20 or so later 9133s that don't have the option of the switch. Thre is also an Extended Mass Storage ROM that supports hard dirves. IIRC it supports 9133/9134s without the 010 option. But the EMS ROM is very rare. The 85 is a fine machine, it's too bad that they saddled it with a tape drive! It would have been a great machine if they would have replaced the tape drive with a 3.5" floppy drive. > >I am hoping there are other '85 enthusiasts on the list? Oh yeah! there's plenty of us. I have some spare >roms... looking for the assembler rom. Saw some mention of pascal for this >beast too! Ok, has anyone found a decent source for the DC100 tapes it uses, >or am I doomed to pay ebay prices for each tape? Don't buy HP tapes! They're THE worst tapes out there. You can go back and read the CC list archives, there's been lots of discussion about the HP tape drives and HP tapes. You can use the old DEC tapes or the old 40Mb tapes that were used for PC tape drives. They both work fine. Use the INITIALIZE command to reformat them on the 85. > >Sorry, acting like a kid at christmas :> Welcome to the world of HP computers! Joe > >Jay West From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 27 09:35:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Was ACCRC, now really OT In-Reply-To: <20030826.190413.-117315.8.loedman1@juno.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030826131651.3267679a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 07:04 PM 8/26/03 -0700, you wrote: >>> Oh, Rifraff are we?? >>Of course not! >>But we can aspire to move up to that. > >At the age of 47 I have finally reached the pinnacle of riffraffism, I >get two hair cuts a year, shave once a week, wear scratched bifocals, >drive a Ford F450 Super duty, Diesel no less, have a Jack Russell terrier >named George, often fart in public and, are you ready for this, use a >Packard Bell as my primary computer. Any one care to try and beat that? > > Riffraff Rich Stephenson Sounds like most of the people on the list that I've meet! Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 27 09:35:09 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Today's hauls In-Reply-To: <001801c36c35$ba26fe50$f408dd40@oemcomputer> References: <3.0.6.16.20030826004724.0e776bf2@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030826125835.32677eee@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 07:54 PM 8/26/03 -0500, you wrote: >Good haul :-) I have a DecStation 3100 also but no info. I probably wouldn't have picked it up except that it included the manuals. Joe From vance at neurotica.com Wed Aug 27 09:47:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Today's hauls In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030826125835.32677eee@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: I actually have one I use on a daily basis. Peace... Sridhar On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > >Good haul :-) I have a DecStation 3100 also but no info. > > I probably wouldn't have picked it up except that it included the > manuals. From vance at neurotica.com Wed Aug 27 09:54:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Was ACCRC, now really OT In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030826131651.3267679a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > >>> Oh, Rifraff are we?? > >>Of course not! But we can aspire to move up to that. > > > >At the age of 47 I have finally reached the pinnacle of riffraffism, I > >get two hair cuts a year, shave once a week, wear scratched bifocals, > >drive a Ford F450 Super duty, Diesel no less, have a Jack Russell > >terrier named George, often fart in public and, are you ready for this, > >use a Packard Bell as my primary computer. Any one care to try and beat > >that? Hehehe. I'm 25, I get my hair cut once a year, shave once or twice a month, and drive a Toyota with rust on every single body panel, and produce earth-shattering belches in public. I wouldn't touch a Packard-Bell with a ten-foot pole, though. 8-) > Sounds like most of the people on the list that I've meet! LOL Peace... Sridhar From vcf at siconic.com Wed Aug 27 10:10:01 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Was ACCRC, now really OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm 12. My mom makes me get a haircut every month. If I belch in public, let alone in the house, I get punished and can't use the computer for a while. Farting in any situation results in severe beatings from dad, so as a result I always have a bloated feeling. I look forward to the day that I'll be able to shave because then that means I'll finally be out on my own, and I'll show dad! I'll show him that I'm not a big loser! Go to hell, dad! Go to HELL and DIE! DIE DIE DIE! Ok, so can we move on to other topics now? On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 vance@neurotica.com wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > > > >>> Oh, Rifraff are we?? > > >>Of course not! But we can aspire to move up to that. > > > > > >At the age of 47 I have finally reached the pinnacle of riffraffism, I > > >get two hair cuts a year, shave once a week, wear scratched bifocals, > > >drive a Ford F450 Super duty, Diesel no less, have a Jack Russell > > >terrier named George, often fart in public and, are you ready for this, > > >use a Packard Bell as my primary computer. Any one care to try and beat > > >that? > > Hehehe. I'm 25, I get my hair cut once a year, shave once or twice a > month, and drive a Toyota with rust on every single body panel, and > produce earth-shattering belches in public. > > I wouldn't touch a Packard-Bell with a ten-foot pole, though. 8-) > > > Sounds like most of the people on the list that I've meet! > > LOL > > Peace... Sridhar > -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From allain at panix.com Wed Aug 27 10:19:00 2003 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Was ACCRC, now really OT References: Message-ID: <002101c36cad$30130240$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> > that I'll be able to shave because then that means I'll finally be > out on my own, and I'll show dad! I'll show him that I'm not a big > loser! Go to hell, dad! Go to HELL and DIE! DIE DIE DIE! This _might_ sound funny were it not for the Jeff Worley tragedy earlier this year. Ouch. John A. From rogersda at cox.net Wed Aug 27 10:56:00 2003 From: rogersda at cox.net (rogersda@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Venturis question Message-ID: <20030827154836.FURR3983.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> > > Can anyone ID a Digital PC based on this Model? > > VENTURIS S100 MODEL FR-A711AZ-00 > > I *think* it's really a Venturis 5100 but I can't seem to get > > anything anywhere to find anything on the model number > > quoted. The owner is trying to get some ram for it, if it's a > > 5100 then it looks to be common or garden 16mb 72pin non parity. > > Anyone able to confirm? > > I'm reasonably sure you have a Venturis 5100 (five not ess). > The model number comes up in the range of products referred to as "Venturis FX". My laptop QRL doesn't show that particular variant - it jumps from FR-A70AW to FR-A75AW - but it should be a 100MHz Pentium, using 70ns 32bit SIMM modules. The "inside the firewall" library (updated just this morning, 8/27/03!) also shows a listing for 60ns EDO, but that may only work on the higher-end machines (as I recall they went up to 200MHz). Dale From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Wed Aug 27 11:59:00 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Was WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch, now metallurgy In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030826220028.00a70970@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030827125013.00a64ec0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> > I've never carried a poker to a campsite. You usually find them on site. Though when finding them on site, the iron variety is rare At 04:41 AM 8/27/03 -0400, you wrote: >I've never carried a poker to a campsite. > >Peace... Sridhar > >On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Mail List wrote: > > > > a tool used to poke a fire in a stove or fireplace > > > > Or a campfire? From vcf at siconic.com Wed Aug 27 12:55:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Was ACCRC, now really OT In-Reply-To: <002101c36cad$30130240$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, John Allain wrote: > > that I'll be able to shave because then that means I'll finally be > > out on my own, and I'll show dad! I'll show him that I'm not a big > > loser! Go to hell, dad! Go to HELL and DIE! DIE DIE DIE! > > This _might_ sound funny were it not for the Jeff Worley tragedy > earlier this year. Ouch. No connection. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From CyndeM at vulcan.com Wed Aug 27 13:44:00 2003 From: CyndeM at vulcan.com (Cynde Moya) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: DEC colors Message-ID: I read an essay once where the author named the official colors of Digital's PDP computers / front panels. Now I can't find it, and I would really like to know what the colors were called. One was "China Red," I believe. There is a blue color and a kind of pumpkin color too. Does anyone remember those color names? Or know of a document that discusses the colors? Thanks! Cynde Cynde Moya, MLIS Archives Cataloguer Vulcan Inc. www.vulcan.com Office Tel. 206-223-4901 Mobile Tel. 206.369.3205 Fax. 206-223-4207 From edwrite at eudoramail.com Wed Aug 27 13:50:01 2003 From: edwrite at eudoramail.com (Ed Millis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Info for IBM PC? Message-ID: Please forgive my error if I have stumbled into the wrong place. If there is a better place to go for talk/info, any directions will be appreciated and immediately used. I recently purchased my first "IBM" computer. This is as opposed to the 68030 Macintosh LCII it is replacing. The Mac would have been fine, except it was beginning to crash, wouldn't do Internet, and had no idea what a CD was. The replacement is an IBM Mod No. 13U, machine type 6589. I'm looking for information on the innards of this machine: memory configurations, processor and bus, etc. It's got a socket for a second processor - what might go there? And why would I want to do that? Again, if this is not the best place for me to be, I apologize for intruding and would appreciate any directions. Thank you. Eld Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com From vcf at siconic.com Wed Aug 27 14:04:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: DEC colors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Cynde Moya wrote: > I read an essay once where the author named the official colors of > Digital's PDP computers / front panels. Now I can't find it, and I would > really like to know what the colors were called. One was "China Red," I > believe. There is a blue color and a kind of pumpkin color too. Does > anyone remember those color names? Or know of a document that discusses > the colors? Hey, that's cool. I'd like to know also. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From arcarlini at iee.org Wed Aug 27 14:16:00 2003 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: DEC colors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c36cce$aedf04e0$5b01a8c0@athlon> > > I read an essay once where the author named the official colors of > > Digital's PDP computers / front panels. Now I can't find it, and I > > would really like to know what the colors were called. One > was "China > > Red," I believe. There is a blue color and a kind of pumpkin color > > too. Does anyone remember those color names? Or know of a document > > that discusses the colors? > > Hey, that's cool. I'd like to know also. This cropped up recently in either comp.os.vms or comp.sys.dec so a deja search should find it. The orange colour of the OpenVMS V4 doc set was officially called Chinese Red. The grey colour of the OpenVMS V5 doc set was officially called Champagne Beige. I don't recall ever seeing names for the preceding dark blue or light blue colours. Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From aek at spies.com Wed Aug 27 14:39:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: DEC colors Message-ID: <200308271931.h7RJVvlb020156@spies.com> The standard pdp/11 front panel colors are magenta and wild rose. From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 27 15:08:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Was ACCRC, now really OT In-Reply-To: <20030826.190413.-117315.8.loedman1@juno.com> from "loedman1@juno.com" at Aug 26, 3 07:04:11 pm Message-ID: > >> Oh, Rifraff are we?? > >Of course not! > >But we can aspire to move up to that. > > At the age of 47 I have finally reached the pinnacle of riffraffism, I > get two hair cuts a year, shave once a week, wear scratched bifocals, I cut my own hair, normally with tinsnips (!). Well, why should I pay people to do what i can easily do myself :-) Shave whenever people around me comment on it :-) Don't wear glasses... > drive a Ford F450 Super duty, Diesel no less, have a Jack Russell terrier Don't drive at all. Have a neighbours cat who is the only thing allowed to jump on my workbench and scatter tiny components around. > named George, often fart in public and, are you ready for this, use a > Packard Bell as my primary computer. Any one care to try and beat that? Does a much-hacked IBM PC/AT with the original motherboard (with added chips and kludgewires) beat a Packard-Bell? -tony From spedraja at ono.com Wed Aug 27 15:09:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: DEC colors References: <200308271931.h7RJVvlb020156@spies.com> Message-ID: <012f01c36cd5$95fe2300$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Somebody has one scan (in natural size) of one DEC front panel ? I should like to try to reproduce one over adhesive transparent film or another material and put it later over one transparent plastic panel. There is one company here that do this works (in appeareance). To work in the panel later to do it suitable is another matter. Cheers Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Kossow" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:31 PM Subject: DEC colors > The standard pdp/11 front panel colors are magenta and wild rose. > From memory the 8/e front panel is mustard and burnt orange > > Each DEC computer family in the 60's / early 70's had their own > color. The LINC/PDP-12 was light and dark green, the 9 was a different > shade of orange than the 8/e, and the 15's were light and dark blue, > which was different from the PDP-10 blue. From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Wed Aug 27 15:22:00 2003 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: Info for IBM PC? Message-ID: <030827161254.9a48@splab.cas.neu.edu> Well, I think you would do better at www.ibm.com and look for the model number. BTW, the model should have a dash with two characters after it. something like 6389-12U, anyway, the ibm web site calls it a pc365. Looks like it is pentium mmx or pro. Joe Heck From CyndeM at vulcan.com Wed Aug 27 15:44:00 2003 From: CyndeM at vulcan.com (Cynde Moya) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:29 2005 Subject: DEC colors Message-ID: This is great. I also found the essay under the entry for "PDP-20" in foldoc. According to this site, the blue color that a DECsystem-10 is painted is "Basil Blue" and the orange color of the DECSYSTEM-20 is "Chinese Red." -----Original Message----- From: Al Kossow [mailto:aek@spies.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:32 PM To: classiccmp@classiccmp.org Subject: DEC colors The standard pdp/11 front panel colors are magenta and wild rose. From tothwolf at concentric.net Wed Aug 27 16:53:00 2003 From: tothwolf at concentric.net (Tothwolf) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: Workslate do you still have it ? In-Reply-To: <018401c36c0b$a2df7760$033310ac@kwcorp.com> References: <018401c36c0b$a2df7760$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Jay West wrote: > From: Vintage Computer Festival > > > These kinds of messages are almost getting as bad as the spam. > > I agree totally. > > However, the only way to deal with it is close the list from public > posting, or have me read each post in detail and make a judgement call. > I'm open to suggestions. The XFree86 mailing list sends out a reply email stating that the address is a mailing list the very first time you post anything to the list. It seems like that might work for this list too. -Toth From tothwolf at concentric.net Wed Aug 27 17:04:00 2003 From: tothwolf at concentric.net (Tothwolf) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: Compaq 286 SLT Manual Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, M Kohli wrote: > Compaq 286 SLT Question > > How does one select the external crt attached to the back of the unit? It has been a few years, but I believe it is selected by holding the 'Fn' function key and pressing one of the F keys. It may be F3 or F4, I don't remember exactly. -Toth From jpl15 at panix.com Wed Aug 27 18:22:00 2003 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: Ping Gary Hildebrand Message-ID: Hey, Gary - ya out there? Did you get the Doc I sent via SnailMail? Just curious... Cheers John From gcoello at alpha-microelectronics.com Wed Aug 27 19:30:01 2003 From: gcoello at alpha-microelectronics.com (gcoello@alpha-microelectronics.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: NEC V20 / UPD70108HGC-10-3B6 Message-ID: <000801c36c00$d367c960$0100a8c0@e4lqj> Hello Phil, Eric I was surfing the net trying to get some info. on this cpu and came across your messages on the board. We have over 18,000 units of this v20/8086 CPU that would like to sell. These are all brand new in their original trays with a production date code of 02+ in most cases. Please let me know if you would be interested or perhaps someone that you know could use these. Thank you. George Coello Alpha-Micro Electronics 925-680-8030 925-680-8096 fax From mhstein at canada.com Wed Aug 27 19:30:56 2003 From: mhstein at canada.com (M H Stein) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: Bubble Memory Drives Message-ID: <01C36BF5.F1481B20@on-tor-blr-a58-02-980.look.ca> Hi Ray, My name's Mike, not Ken, but I thought I'd reply anyway, JIC. I don't know what your client's really after, but in case he(she)'s interested, I have a Sharp PC-5000 laptop for sale, which uses Sharp CE-100B 128K Bubble memory cartridges. It comes with 5 cartridges and I'm looking for around $200. Although this may not have any value in your case, it does have the built-in printer, Basic ROM and 16K memory expansion options, the user manual, and was working when I last used it (can't find the AC adapter right now to confirm). Let me know if you (or anyone else) are interested. mike --------------------Original message----------------- Message: 27 From: "Ray Leventhal" To: Subject: Fujitsu FBM-U502GU-J Bubble Memory Drive Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:58:04 -0400 Organization: Sunshine Web Hosting Reply-To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Hi Ken, I saw your posting on the classiccmp.org listing from last March regarding the Fujitsu FBM-U502GU-J Bubble Memory Drives and was wondering if you might be willing to share some specs and/or perhaps be willing to part with one. I've a client working with different types of Bubble Cassette and Bubble Cartridge Modules who thinks such a unit would be helpful. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks, -Ray Leventhal, VP TechOps leventhal@swhi.net Sunshine Web Hosting, Inc. PO Box 212277 Royal Palm Beach, FL 33421-2277 From mhstein at canada.com Wed Aug 27 19:31:05 2003 From: mhstein at canada.com (M H Stein) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: Cromenco Z2 power supply (or equivalent) Message-ID: <01C36BF5.EFC60F00@on-tor-blr-a58-02-980.look.ca> Hi Sergio: I've got one too, from a Z-2 I scrapped some time ago, but unfortunately I'm in Canada, so shipping would be just as problematic as for Joe in FL. I assume you need the whole back panel (31x43x13 cm,10kg) since all the parts are discrete and mounted on it. If you want to construct one, maybe it would be practical to send you the parts, especially the transformer; the diodes and caps (130,000 and 29,000 mf, x2) you could probably obtain there. Voltages are +/-18V and +8V (No -8V), but I can't find any mention of the current rating (but it's adequate for light arc-welding, I'm sure). If you like, I can scan and e-mail you the schematic. By the way, congratulations on your countryman winning the Hungarian GP and setting several new records in the process; quite an achievement! mike -----------------------Original message---------------------- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:40:46 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org From: Joe Subject: Re: Cromenco Z2 power supply (or equivalent) Reply-To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Sergio, I think I have one but I'm in Florida and I expect that the shipping would be EXPENSIVE. Joe At 08:13 PM 8/25/03 +0200, you wrote: >Hi again. I aproach the occasion, even when I hadn't idea of speak >about it. Somebody knows where I can obtain one Power Supply >(original or equivalent) for one Cromenco Z2 backplane ? >I can't check yet more information, but I'm suggested that it uses >+8v, +18v, -8v and -18v power. Some people has give me kind >information privately, but I should like to obtain one PS before >try to construct one here. > >Thanks in Advance. > >Sergio From jwstephens_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 19:31:14 2003 From: jwstephens_2000 at yahoo.com (jim stephens) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: Attache Disks Message-ID: <20030827222701.19161.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> I have dredged up my Atrona system and will try to make some floppy copies for interested parties soon. I belive I have floppies to boot both the 8 bit processor, and the 16 bit service processor into MS/Dos 2.x (2.1 maybe). I'll post again when I get the system tested and running. It uses standard 3 1/2" floppies (I think 720K, again I'll have to post when I check it out). Jim From vp at mcs.drexel.edu Wed Aug 27 19:31:23 2003 From: vp at mcs.drexel.edu (Vassilis Prevelakis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: HP-85 Re: anyone in rochester? Message-ID: <200308271500.h7RF0nHC004751@king.mcs.drexel.edu> First most of the ROMs for the 85 are available from my site http://www.series80.org/Images You will need, however, the 82929A Programmable ROM drawer (check http://www.series80.org/Manuals/HP82929A.pdf to see how it looks like), to be able to use the ROM image on your 85. BTW if you have the 82929A, then you can also download the EMS ROM which allows a far greater selection of drives to be used with your 85. Come to think of it, the EMS ROM code is quite small, so I wonder if some person who understands 85 assembly can turn this into a binary utility so that it can work elsewhere in memory. Anyway, you may also get the Mass Storage ROM (manual at http://www.series80.org/Manuals/HP85-MassStorage.pdf) on eBay. This will allow the 85 to talk to 9121 3.5 inch drives which if I am not mistaken will work with your 1631D analyzer. Some day I may finally produce the HP 85 ROM emulator, but the way things are going, don't hold your breath :-( BTW I have finally managed to get a 98155A keyboard for my 9915's (the embedded version of the the 85, brochure at http://www.series80.org/Manuals/HP9915A.pdf) I am also expecting a bunch of manuals for the 9915s. I hope to have them up on my site by the end of the month. Joe wrote: > The 85 is a fine machine, it's too bad that they saddled it with a tape > drive! It would have been a great machine if they would have replaced the > tape drive with a 3.5" floppy drive. But they did! Its called the HP Integral PC. Its faster, more compact, has an ergonomic keyboard, and even has Unix when you want to go around the back and fiddle with things. Too bad its not as cute as the 85. **vp From vp at mcs.drexel.edu Wed Aug 27 19:31:33 2003 From: vp at mcs.drexel.edu (Vassilis Prevelakis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/9800.htm Message-ID: <200308271629.h7RGT0fp007119@king.mcs.drexel.edu> On the section on the 9825 it says: > [The 9825T] also has a large warning label on outside top warning the > user not to install any ROMs other than the 98211 Matrix ROM or the > 98217A Flexible Disk Drive ROM. It says that installing any plug-in ROM > that is already built into the calculator may damage the machine. I > have never seen this warning on ANY other HP machine. Actually the HP Series 80 computers also have a similar message (to the effect that installing multiple copies of the same ROM could damage the machine). **vp From bbrown at harpercollege.edu Wed Aug 27 19:31:43 2003 From: bbrown at harpercollege.edu (Bob Brown) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: Conquest??? In-Reply-To: <3E62A5A0B8058845984FFA345CE894F2FACE62@NSTMC007PEX1.ubsgs.ubsgroup.net> References: <3E62A5A0B8058845984FFA345CE894F2FACE62@NSTMC007PEX1.ubsgs.ubsgroup.net> Message-ID: There is a version of CONQUEST available that runs on unix/linux. (the original was VAX only). (I used to play it a LOT)..it's quite addictive. In fact, I think there are a couple of conquest servers on the internet if you want to play. -Bob >This e-mail has been classified by the sender as: INTERNAL USE ONLY > >hi curt, >you know if anything like this is available on current times? > >i remember staying after work a few nights a week to get like 8-10 >of us playing. i was reminiscing over the weekend and googled for >it.... this was a cool game. > >thanks, > >craig > > >========= >Actually this is a Star Trek game involving ascii graphics on VT100 >terminals, you would choose from Federation, Orion or Klingon ships. It was >a really cool multi-user game, you could talk to the other players in real >time and it got very addictive (until the Admin pulled it off the Vax cause >it was killing it! :-) > > >Curt > > >Visit our website at http://www.ubs.com > >This message contains confidential information and is intended only >for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you >should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please >notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this >e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. > >E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free >as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, >arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore >does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents >of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If >verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This >message is provided for informational purposes and should not be >construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or >related financial instruments. bbrown@harpercollege.edu #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR Harper Community College ## ## ## Systems Administrator Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace From tinaromanus at comcast.net Wed Aug 27 19:31:52 2003 From: tinaromanus at comcast.net (tinaromanus) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: DD Diskettes Message-ID: <000801c36cda$c0a2a220$09737e18@tina> Dear Tony, We specialize in 3 1/2" DD diskettes because we supply the embroidery industry who have computerized embroidery machines that still require them. We format them in house to IBM, MAC or any embroidery machine format or sell them unformatted. If you know anyone who still needs them, please refer them to me. Kindest regards, Tina Romanus www.imageunlimited.com 888-462-4340 From jwest at classiccmp.org Wed Aug 27 20:26:21 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: HP-85 Re: anyone in rochester? References: <3.0.6.16.20030825184332.0eaf996e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030826131342.3267ca38@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <009101c36d01$05391dd0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Joe wrote... > Unfortunately, not many. Is your's just an 85 or is it an 85B? It's an 85, not an 85B. I *DO* have the mass storage rom though. >You can add that ROM to your 85 and use it with > the HP 9121 disk drive. What about the 9122? >I've only found one of them but I have 20 or so later > 9133s that don't have the option of the switch. So without the switch can I use it on the 85 with mass storage rom? If so, we need to talk trade! > Don't buy HP tapes! They're THE worst tapes out there. You can go back > and read the CC list archives, there's been lots of discussion about the HP > tape drives and HP tapes. You can use the old DEC tapes or the old 40Mb > tapes that were used for PC tape drives. They both work fine. Use the > INITIALIZE command to reformat them on the 85. Thanks for the tip!! I don't have too many old DECtapes, but when you say old 40mb PC tape drive tapes, are you talking QIC-80 tapes? I have tons of those. If not, exactly what tape do I go buy? > Welcome to the world of HP computers! *COUGH* *GAG* *ARGH!!* (clutching my chest) You really know how to hurt an HP guy *grin* Jay West From jwest at classiccmp.org Wed Aug 27 20:29:00 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: HP-85 References: <200308271500.h7RF0nHC004751@king.mcs.drexel.edu> Message-ID: <00af01c36d02$acb57080$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> VP wrote.... > You will need, however, the 82929A Programmable ROM drawer > (check http://www.series80.org/Manuals/HP82929A.pdf to see how > it looks like), to be able to use the ROM image on your 85. Argh, and I bet I won't have too much luck finding an 82929A module anywhere :( > Anyway, you may also get the Mass Storage ROM (manual at > http://www.series80.org/Manuals/HP85-MassStorage.pdf) > on eBay. This will allow the 85 to talk to 9121 3.5 inch drives which if I > am not mistaken will work with your 1631D analyzer. I'm hoping it would work with the 9122, which is what I want to get for my 1631D. The only reason I'm hunting for 9122 instead of 9121, is I thought the floppy disks for the 9122 might be easier to find (they DO use different media right?) > Some day I may finally produce the HP 85 ROM emulator, but the way things > are going, don't hold your breath :-( I saw note of that on your website. That would be soooooooo so nice to have an ROM emulator. Humm there can't be THAT much to the electronics inside the 82929A. Anyone have one they'll let me take apart and build a copy of? Jay West From pat at purdueriots.com Wed Aug 27 22:00:01 2003 From: pat at purdueriots.com (Patrick Finnegan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: FS: HP 9121 Dual-disk drive Message-ID: Seeing the HP-85 thread on the list, I remembered that I had one of these I wanted to get rid of. I'm asking $20 + shipping for it. I'm in West Lafayette, IN. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ From pat at purdueriots.com Wed Aug 27 22:24:00 2003 From: pat at purdueriots.com (Patrick Finnegan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: FS: HP 9121 Dual-disk drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, it's taken. That was quick... Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > Seeing the HP-85 thread on the list, I remembered that I had one of these > I wanted to get rid of. I'm asking $20 + shipping for it. I'm in West > Lafayette, IN. > > Pat > -- > Purdue University ITAP/RCS > Information Technology at Purdue > Research Computing and Storage > http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ From esharpe at uswest.net Wed Aug 27 22:52:00 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch References: Message-ID: <004a01c36d16$ae9e1690$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> where is Mugtamia? ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:59 PM Subject: Re: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Nico de Jong wrote: > > > In Denmark, we have an even more unpleasant way of expressing that we > > are not satisfied: "He should be shot with a lukewarm shit". Unpleasant > > thought... > > Along those lines, we here in Mugtamia have an expression: > > "He should be forced to swim in the vomit of one who has just eaten a > gallon of feces." > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage mputers ] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From nico at farumdata.dk Thu Aug 28 00:07:00 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: Was ACCRC, now really OT References: <3.0.6.16.20030826131651.3267679a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <007d01c36d20$cc91e3c0$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> > >At the age of 47 I ... often fart in public ... > Riffraff Rich Stephenson > Here we can make a connection to another thread in this excellent NG: the one about elevators. Years ago, the English queen was visiting Denmark. As usual, a minion checked beforehand the things she was supposed to do, and he suddenly paled beyond belief. Nobody could understand that, so they asked him why he did that. He pointed at the buttons used to call on the elevators, and said that they had to be covered with something or replaced with non-abusive ones. Still nobody understood, until he asked why the button said "I Fart". The danes said, well, it means "Occupied" or literally "In Transit" Nico From nico at farumdata.dk Thu Aug 28 00:19:00 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: Was ACCRC, now really OT References: <3.0.6.16.20030826131651.3267679a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <007d01c36d20$cc91e3c0$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> Message-ID: <000801c36d22$7e0e7c20$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> From: "Nico de Jong" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: Re: Was ACCRC, now really OT > > >At the age of 47 I ... often fart in public ... > > Riffraff Rich Stephenson > > > > Here we can make a connection to another thread in this excellent NG: the one about Sorry, my mind was already in "alt.folklore.computers". That's what happens with old farts like me :-) Nico From spedraja at ono.com Thu Aug 28 00:34:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: Cromenco Z2 power supply (or equivalent) References: <01C36BF5.EFC60F00@on-tor-blr-a58-02-980.look.ca> Message-ID: <01ea01c36d24$90eff100$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Mike, Didn't receive my private answer ? I sent it to you the 26th. Let me know, I think there is a problem with the mails I send you. Cheers Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: "M H Stein" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:00 PM Subject: Cromenco Z2 power supply (or equivalent) > Hi Sergio: > > I've got one too, from a Z-2 I scrapped some time ago, but unfortunately > I'm in Canada, so shipping would be just as problematic as for Joe in FL. > I assume you need the whole back panel (31x43x13 cm,10kg) since all the parts > are discrete and mounted on it. If you want to construct one, maybe it > would be practical to send you the parts, especially the transformer; > the diodes and caps (130,000 and 29,000 mf, x2) you could probably obtain > there. Voltages are +/-18V and +8V (No -8V), but I can't find any mention > of the current rating (but it's adequate for light arc-welding, I'm sure). > If you like, I can scan and e-mail you the schematic. > > By the way, congratulations on your countryman winning the Hungarian > GP and setting several new records in the process; quite an achievement! > > mike > > -----------------------Original message---------------------- > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:40:46 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > From: Joe > Subject: Re: Cromenco Z2 power supply (or equivalent) > Reply-To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > > Sergio, > > I think I have one but I'm in Florida and I expect that the shipping > would be EXPENSIVE. > > Joe > > At 08:13 PM 8/25/03 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi again. I aproach the occasion, even when I hadn't idea of speak > >about it. Somebody knows where I can obtain one Power Supply > >(original or equivalent) for one Cromenco Z2 backplane ? > >I can't check yet more information, but I'm suggested that it uses > >+8v, +18v, -8v and -18v power. Some people has give me kind > >information privately, but I should like to obtain one PS before > >try to construct one here. > > > >Thanks in Advance. > > > >Sergio From vcf at siconic.com Thu Aug 28 00:58:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <004a01c36d16$ae9e1690$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, ed sharpe wrote: > where is Mugtamia? In my sick and twisted little mind, ed. :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From luc at e2t.be Thu Aug 28 02:48:00 2003 From: luc at e2t.be (Luc Vande Velde) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: Philips/Fluke PM3551A Logic Analyzer In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720E77F1@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD66F@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Last week I found in the local junkyard a Logic Analyzer Model PM3551A The unit powers up and seems to be basically working but there are no probes. Has anyone an idea what kind of probes are needed (I hope they are passive)and connection information? A copy of the user/maintenance manual would also be nice. gr. Luc Vande Velde From luc at e2t.be Thu Aug 28 02:52:00 2003 From: luc at e2t.be (Luc Vande Velde) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: kennedy 9300 tape drive In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720E7773@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD670@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> If this is a 125 inch/sec unit with 2 large vacuum columns I might have this manual somewhere in a box deep in the cellar. After all these years I am no longer sure about the numbers of this units. A little confirmation please before I start digging... Luc Vande Velde -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: cctech-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens emanuel stiebler Verzonden: zondag 24 augustus 2003 23:52 Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org Onderwerp: kennedy 9300 tape drive Anybody out here has a manual for this one ? cheers & thanks From loedman1 at juno.com Thu Aug 28 03:00:01 2003 From: loedman1 at juno.com (loedman1@juno.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:30 2005 Subject: Was ACCRC, now really OT Message-ID: <20030828.005058.-119005.1.loedman1@juno.com> >> At the age of 47 I have finally reached the pinnacle of riffraffism, I >>get two hair cuts a year, shave once a week, wear scratched bifocals, >> drive a Ford F450 Super duty, Diesel no less, have a Jack Russell terrier >> named George, often fart in public and, are you ready for this, use a >> Packard Bell as my primary computer. Any one care to try and beat that? >> >> Riffraff Rich Stephenson >Now I'm sure we're related. --Patrick Now we got em going Uncle Patrick ;-() Rich From gtoal at gtoal.com Thu Aug 28 03:22:00 2003 From: gtoal at gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Vax emulator? Message-ID: <200308280814.h7S8EBXA029878@gtoal.com> I have access to licenced VMS install CDs that came with some uVaxen some time ago at the University where I work. The systems have been surplussed long ago but we kept the software. If there a decent (free) emulator that will run these on a Windows/XP or Linux PC? The ones I've found on the net would appear to be either commercial or sufficiently cut down or incomplete as not to be practical, but this is just from reading, not from using. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong. G From gtoal at gtoal.com Thu Aug 28 03:26:00 2003 From: gtoal at gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files Message-ID: <200308280818.h7S8Ionp029972@gtoal.com> I looked around a few times for the plot files that used to be commonly hung on office walls around 76-78 which were proper engineering drawings of the USS Enterprise (the original, no bloody A, B, C or D...) Although a few people have produced drawings in more recent times I could never find those early ones. (What I did find relatively recently were the printer ascii art files for Susie (girl on a chair) and the Snoopy calendar series) Graham From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Thu Aug 28 03:38:00 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: References: <004a01c36d16$ae9e1690$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828035256.00a7bbc0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> > In my sick and twisted little mind, ed. Well, you're not quite that bad Sellam. You've been behaving much better lately. IMHO. At 10:42 PM 8/27/03 -0700, you wrote: >On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, ed sharpe wrote: > > > where is Mugtamia? > >In my sick and twisted little mind, ed. > >:) > >-- > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > >[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] >[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at >http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From GOOI at oce.nl Thu Aug 28 03:40:01 2003 From: GOOI at oce.nl (Gooijen H) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files Message-ID: <1A9EACFF5B9EB9489F00104C00ECF641027B0D31@hqvenlomail.oce.nl> Yes, I would love to get that file too! (all of them) Since I work for Oc? and have access to A0 format plotters I would like to hang that plot on my wall, at work *and* at home too. Check out http://home.hetnet.nl/~tshaj and click on the starfield image ... - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Toal [mailto:gtoal@gtoal.com] > Sent: donderdag 28 augustus 2003 10:19 > To: cctech@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Looking for plot data files > > I looked around a few times for the plot files that used > to be commonly hung on office walls around 76-78 which were > proper engineering drawings of the USS Enterprise > (the original, no bloody A, B, C or D...) > > Although a few people have produced drawings in more recent > times I could never find those early ones. > > (What I did find relatively recently were the printer ascii art > files for Susie (girl on a chair) and the Snoopy calendar series) > > Graham From Innfogra at aol.com Thu Aug 28 03:55:00 2003 From: Innfogra at aol.com (Innfogra@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files Message-ID: <15e.24756baf.2c7f1ba3@aol.com> > and the Snoopy calendar series) > I had a copy of the Snoopy 1976? ASCII calendar. It came with my Litton 1251 and was on punch tape. Paxton Hoag Astoria, OR From SPEDRAJA at ono.com Thu Aug 28 04:18:00 2003 From: SPEDRAJA at ono.com (Sergio Pedraja Cabo) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Vax emulator? Message-ID: Hello. > I have access to licenced VMS install CDs that came with some uVaxen > some time ago at the University where I work. The systems have been > surplussed long ago but we kept the software. If there a decent > (free) emulator that will run these on a Windows/XP or Linux PC? http://simh.trailing-edge.com > The ones I've found on the net would appear to be either > commercial or > sufficiently cut down or incomplete as not to be > practical, but this is just from reading, not from using. > I'd be delighted to be proven wrong. Of course, I think that "cut down" is not exactly when you refers to SIMH :-) Cheers Sergio From acme at ao.net Thu Aug 28 04:55:00 2003 From: acme at ao.net (acme@ao.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch Message-ID: <200308271827.h7RIRZWW022886@eola.ao.net> > That's a good start. You should also file a complaint with the BBB > (Better Business Bureau). Finally, for a good FTP client from a good > company, might I suggest Van Dyke Software? > > http://www.vandyke.com I don't know about your neck of the woods, Sellam, but here in Central Florida where Joe and I live the BBB is little more than a shakedown for small businesses. Each time they call me to solicit a membership and I tell them that I'm not interested, they close the conversation by stating that "there have been recent inquiries concerning your company" and "we'll get back to those who inquired and let them know that you're not a member in good standing and that you refused to provide us with information regarding your business." And BTW, what's wrong with the FTP client provided with Win9x? Sure, it's command-line only, but IMHO beats paying for a GUI version . . . Just my two cents worth . . . Glen Goodwin 0/0 From dankolb at ox.compsoc.net Thu Aug 28 05:04:00 2003 From: dankolb at ox.compsoc.net (Dan Kolb) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <200308271827.h7RIRZWW022886@eola.ao.net> References: <200308271827.h7RIRZWW022886@eola.ao.net> Message-ID: <3F4DD1A6.4070201@ox.compsoc.net> acme@ao.net wrote: > And BTW, what's wrong with the FTP client provided with Win9x? Sure, it's > command-line only, but IMHO beats paying for a GUI version . . . The FTP client only supports active-mode FTP, not passive. I've fallen foul of it a couple of times when behind a firewall. Dan From vance at neurotica.com Thu Aug 28 05:09:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <200308271827.h7RIRZWW022886@eola.ao.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 acme@ao.net wrote: > And BTW, what's wrong with the FTP client provided with Win9x? Sure, > it's command-line only, but IMHO beats paying for a GUI version . . . It doesn't support restarting, does it? Peace... Sridhar From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Thu Aug 28 06:19:00 2003 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Vax emulator? Message-ID: <030828070846.9c37@splab.cas.neu.edu> why not use a REAL vax?? Joe Heck From luc at e2t.be Thu Aug 28 06:45:00 2003 From: luc at e2t.be (Luc Vande Velde) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: HP 9825A rescue? In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720E7753@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD673@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Hi Folks, I am not familiar with the old HP calculators. The local junkyard has a HP 9825A desktop calculator they can't sell They intend to demolish it next week - is it worth saving it? or is the world full of it? It looks complete and has only some minor estetic damage. gr. Luc Vande Velde -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: cctech-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Fritz Chwolka Verzonden: donderdag 21 augustus 2003 17:05 Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org Onderwerp: Re: Anyone have copy of old BBS software On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:05:25 -0400, Cini, Richard wrote: >Hello, all: > > Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC >platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to do some file >transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS >would be a clean way to do it. > > Thanks. > >Rich Cini Why don't use telemate, procomm or zock and use their internal host like personal bbs ? BBSen even here http://www.eunet.bg/simtel.net/msdos/bbs.html and here look for telix or telemate http://www.vectorbd.com/bfd/telecomm/ Greetings from Fritz Chwolka > www.alterechner.de < From dan at ekoan.com Thu Aug 28 07:37:00 2003 From: dan at ekoan.com (Dan Veeneman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Fwd: Radio Shack TRS-80 CoCo2 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030828082752.03ad2cd0@enigma> If anyone is looking for a TRS-80 Color Computer 2, this gentleman is hoping to sell one. Contact me for his e-mail address. >I have a Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 2 for sale name your price. >Seems in good condition untested. Cables included and in original box. It >is the extended 16k. Also if interested please state your way of payment. >I don't know how much shipping will cost I will find out though if interested. Cheers, Dan From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 28 08:15:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: HP 9825A rescue? In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD673@e2t_server_3.e2t.be > References: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720E7753@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030827124939.32470026@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 01:36 PM 8/28/03 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I am not familiar with the old HP calculators. >The local junkyard has a HP 9825A desktop calculator they can't sell >They intend to demolish it next week - is it worth saving it? or is the >world full of it? Why can't they sell it? >- is it worth saving it? Yes but it sounds like you don't have any choice. >or is the >world full of it? They're relatively common in this area but I'm close to several large military contractors and Kennedy Space Center and they use a lot of them. But they are neat machines and seem to run forever. It's probably one of the best machines that HP ever built IMO. They run a OS/language called HPL. It's a cross between APL and BASIC. Lots more details on my website at . What model is it? Open the paper cover and see what options it has. Joe >It looks complete and has only some minor estetic damage. > >gr. > >Luc Vande Velde > > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: cctech-admin@classiccmp.org >[mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Fritz Chwolka >Verzonden: donderdag 21 augustus 2003 17:05 >Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org >Onderwerp: Re: Anyone have copy of old BBS software > > >On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:05:25 -0400, Cini, Richard wrote: > >>Hello, all: >> >> Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC >>platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to do some >file >>transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS >>would be a clean way to do it. >> >> Thanks. >> >>Rich Cini > >Why don't use telemate, procomm or zock and use their internal host >like personal bbs ? > >BBSen even here > >http://www.eunet.bg/simtel.net/msdos/bbs.html > >and here look for telix or telemate > >http://www.vectorbd.com/bfd/telecomm/ > > > >Greetings from >Fritz Chwolka > > >> www.alterechner.de < From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 28 08:15:39 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/9800.htm In-Reply-To: <200308271629.h7RGT0fp007119@king.mcs.drexel.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030827125410.32972d8a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 12:29 PM 8/27/03 -0400, **vp wrote: >On the section on the 9825 it says: >> [The 9825T] also has a large warning label on outside top warning the >> user not to install any ROMs other than the 98211 Matrix ROM or the >> 98217A Flexible Disk Drive ROM. It says that installing any plug-in ROM >> that is already built into the calculator may damage the machine. I >> have never seen this warning on ANY other HP machine. > >Actually the HP Series 80 computers also have a similar message (to the >effect that installing multiple copies of the same ROM could damage >the machine). Hey, someone is looking at my website. I was beginning to wonder! Does the HP-85 say that on the machine or just in the manual? I've never seen it on an 85 but I think I recall seeing it buried in a ROM manual somewhere. IIRC I've only seen that on ONE 9825T and I have a bunch of them. Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 28 08:15:48 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: HP-85 Re: anyone in rochester? In-Reply-To: <200308271500.h7RF0nHC004751@king.mcs.drexel.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030827125922.2f9fe50c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 11:00 AM 8/27/03 -0400, vp wrote: >First most of the ROMs for the 85 are available from my site > http://www.series80.org/Images Good! I'll have to book mark that one. > >BTW I have finally managed to get a 98155A keyboard for my 9915's Congradulations! Where did you find it? It took me years to find one. >(the embedded version of the the 85, brochure at >http://www.series80.org/Manuals/HP9915A.pdf) > >I am also expecting a bunch of manuals for the 9915s. I hope to have them >up on my site by the end of the month. GREAT! I've been looking for those for years. The only one that I have is for networking the 9915s. > > >Joe wrote: >> The 85 is a fine machine, it's too bad that they saddled it with a tape >> drive! It would have been a great machine if they would have replaced the >> tape drive with a 3.5" floppy drive. >But they did! Its called the HP Integral PC. Its faster, more compact, >has an ergonomic keyboard, and even has Unix when you want to go around >the back and fiddle with things. BAAA! It's just not as COOL as the 85! (I have numerous examples of both). Joe > >Too bad its not as cute as the 85. > >**vp From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 28 08:15:58 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: HP-85 Re: anyone in rochester? In-Reply-To: <009101c36d01$05391dd0$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> References: <3.0.6.16.20030825184332.0eaf996e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.16.20030826131342.3267ca38@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030827130842.33cf79ee@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 08:09 PM 8/27/03 -0500, you wrote: >Joe wrote... >> Unfortunately, not many. Is your's just an 85 or is it an 85B? >It's an 85, not an 85B. I *DO* have the mass storage rom though. > >>You can add that ROM to your 85 and use it with >> the HP 9121 disk drive. >What about the 9122? Nope. just the 9121, 52901 and 9895 AFIK. > >>I've only found one of them but I have 20 or so later >> 9133s that don't have the option of the switch. >So without the switch can I use it on the 85 with mass storage rom? If so, >we need to talk trade! No, without the switch it's a 5Mb drive and you'll need to use the EMS ROM. With the switch you can make it look like 3 1.5MB floppy drives and the MS ROM will work for that. > >> Don't buy HP tapes! They're THE worst tapes out there. You can go back >> and read the CC list archives, there's been lots of discussion about the >HP >> tape drives and HP tapes. You can use the old DEC tapes or the old 40Mb >> tapes that were used for PC tape drives. They both work fine. Use the >> INITIALIZE command to reformat them on the 85. >Thanks for the tip!! I don't have too many old DECtapes, but when you say >old 40mb PC tape drive tapes, are you talking QIC-80 tapes? I have tons of >those. If not, exactly what tape do I go buy? IIRC the ones marked DC-100 and DC-2000 but try them, if they fit then they'll work. But most likely your tape drive wheel has disintegrated anyway. > >> Welcome to the world of HP computers! >*COUGH* *GAG* *ARGH!!* (clutching my chest) You really know how to hurt an >HP guy *grin* Well SMALL HPs then :-) (Can't believe that an "HP guy" didn't already have an HP-85). Joe > >Jay West From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 28 08:16:09 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch References: <004a01c36d16$ae9e1690$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030827131638.32476466@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 04:03 AM 8/28/03 -0400, you wrote: > > In my sick and twisted little mind, ed. > >Well, you're not quite that bad Sellam. You've been >behaving much better lately. IMHO. Just goes to show that the medicine is helping. :-) Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 28 08:16:19 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: FS: HP 9121 Dual-disk drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030827131304.33cfdc68@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Grab it Jay! Joe At 09:52 PM 8/27/03 -0500, you wrote: >Seeing the HP-85 thread on the list, I remembered that I had one of these >I wanted to get rid of. I'm asking $20 + shipping for it. I'm in West >Lafayette, IN. > >Pat >-- >Purdue University ITAP/RCS >Information Technology at Purdue >Research Computing and Storage >http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 28 08:16:30 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: HP-85 In-Reply-To: <00af01c36d02$acb57080$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> References: <200308271500.h7RF0nHC004751@king.mcs.drexel.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030827131233.324704d8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 08:21 PM 8/27/03 -0500, you wrote: >VP wrote.... > >> You will need, however, the 82929A Programmable ROM drawer >> (check http://www.series80.org/Manuals/HP82929A.pdf to see how >> it looks like), to be able to use the ROM image on your 85. >Argh, and I bet I won't have too much luck finding an 82929A module anywhere >:( > >> Anyway, you may also get the Mass Storage ROM (manual at >> http://www.series80.org/Manuals/HP85-MassStorage.pdf) >> on eBay. This will allow the 85 to talk to 9121 3.5 inch drives which if >I >> am not mistaken will work with your 1631D analyzer. >I'm hoping it would work with the 9122, which is what I want to get for my >1631D. The only reason I'm hunting for 9122 instead of 9121, is I thought >the floppy disks for the 9122 might be easier to find (they DO use different >media right?) Nope, they both use the standard 720K disks. I'm not sure but the 9122C (emphasize C) might reguire 1.44Mb disk but it's a very different animal than the 9122 D and S. 1.44 disks WILL NOT work in the 9121 and 9122D/S. > >> Some day I may finally produce the HP 85 ROM emulator, but the way things >> are going, don't hold your breath :-( >I saw note of that on your website. That would be soooooooo so nice to have >an ROM emulator. Humm there can't be THAT much to the electronics inside the >82929A. Wanna bet! Anyone have one they'll let me take apart and build a copy of? I may. Joe > >Jay West From lemay at mail.cs.umn.edu Thu Aug 28 08:24:01 2003 From: lemay at mail.cs.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: DEC colors In-Reply-To: <200308271931.h7RJVvlb020156@spies.com> Message-ID: <200308281316.IAA05226@caesar.cs.umn.edu> Standard 8/e is of course Amber and Terra Cotta. I've seen 8/F and 8/L in that color scheme, as well as Orange and Terra Cotta for the 8/M. Less standard color schemes for which i do not know the official color names are the Industrial-8 colors (red and dark-blue), and another 8/e in light-blue and dark-blue. -Lawrence LeMay > The standard pdp/11 front panel colors are magenta and wild rose. > >From memory the 8/e front panel is mustard and burnt orange > > Each DEC computer family in the 60's / early 70's had their own > color. The LINC/PDP-12 was light and dark green, the 9 was a different > shade of orange than the 8/e, and the 15's were light and dark blue, > which was different from the PDP-10 blue. From vcf at siconic.com Thu Aug 28 09:01:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828035256.00a7bbc0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Mail List wrote: > > In my sick and twisted little mind, ed. > > Well, you're not quite that bad Sellam. You've been > behaving much better lately. IMHO. As long as the drugs last, man. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Thu Aug 28 09:05:01 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <200308271827.h7RIRZWW022886@eola.ao.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 acme@ao.net wrote: > I don't know about your neck of the woods, Sellam, but here in Central Florida > where Joe and I live the BBB is little more than a shakedown for small > businesses. Each time they call me to solicit a membership and I tell them > that I'm not interested, they close the conversation by stating that "there > have been recent inquiries concerning your company" and "we'll get back to > those who inquired and let them know that you're not a member in good > standing and that you refused to provide us with information regarding your > business." Hmmm. Sounds like you can make a legal case for extortion if you can determine that in fact there are no such inquiries. > And BTW, what's wrong with the FTP client provided with Win9x? Sure, it's > command-line only, but IMHO beats paying for a GUI version . . . Hahahahaha :) Seriously though, there are freeware versions that can be readily downloaded that are 1000 times better. But for my purposes, I like VanDyke's Secure FX because I don't use any open-text (i.e. unencrypted) protocols any longer for remote access. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Thu Aug 28 09:06:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: HP 9825A rescue? In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD673@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Luc Vande Velde wrote: > I am not familiar with the old HP calculators. > The local junkyard has a HP 9825A desktop calculator they can't sell > They intend to demolish it next week - is it worth saving it? or is the > world full of it? > It looks complete and has only some minor estetic damage. It's a nice little calculator. Offer them 10-15 Euros for it. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From waltje at pdp11.nl Thu Aug 28 09:16:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Vax emulator? In-Reply-To: <200308280814.h7S8EBXA029878@gtoal.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Graham Toal wrote: > I have access to licenced VMS install CDs that came with some uVaxen > some time ago at the University where I work. The systems have been > surplussed long ago but we kept the software. If there a decent > (free) emulator that will run these on a Windows/XP or Linux PC? > > The ones I've found on the net would appear to be either commercial or > sufficiently cut down or incomplete as not to be practical, but this is > just from reading, not from using. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong. SimH/VAX works fine for most VMS playage.. it supports a fair set of disks, terminal controllers, tapes, and emulates a KA655 (MicroVAX 3800 et al) system with up to 32MB of memory. It also supports Ethernet, and can run under either several flavors of U*ix, VMS or Win32. Cheers, Fred From rdd at rddavis.org Thu Aug 28 10:14:00 2003 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: BBB (was: WS-FTP and the...) In-Reply-To: <200308271827.h7RIRZWW022886@eola.ao.net> References: <200308271827.h7RIRZWW022886@eola.ao.net> Message-ID: <20030828150925.GH3839@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Quothe acme@ao.net, from writings of Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 02:27:35PM -0400: > I don't know about your neck of the woods, Sellam, but here in > Central Florida where Joe and I live the BBB is little more than a > shakedown for small businesses. Each time they call me to solicit a > membership and I tell them that I'm not interested, they close the > conversation by stating that "there have been recent inquiries > concerning your company" and "we'll get back to those who inquired > and let them know that you're not a member in good standing and that > you refused to provide us with information regarding your business." Very interesting. I had a call like that as well, here in Maryland. What seems interesting to me is that all of the "rip off businesses" (e.g., the auto repair shops that would try to sell one a new engine when all one needs is one of the a vacuum hoses to be connected to the right place, or that replace a starter when the problem is a bad connection between the external-type starter solenoid and the inner-fender... where they become very nasty when one points out that they're wrong) have BBB stickers, wall plaques, etc. promimently displayed. Hence, I figure that a business placing an emphasis on their BBB membership is a business to be avoided so that I can avoid someone trying to rip me off. BTW, I once worked for an HMO (I worked with their VAX) that proudly displayed BBB info. in their lobby, and they paid physicians bonuses for not doing the right things for their patients (I saw the memo), thus cutting costs. Also, filing a complaint with the BBB appears to be a waste of time... I suspect that they give the members with the most complaints the fanciest wall plaques to display. :-) > Just my two cents worth . . . Mine too. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From PasserM at umkc.edu Thu Aug 28 10:24:01 2003 From: PasserM at umkc.edu (Passer, Michael W.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: BBB (was: WS-FTP and the...) Message-ID: <871F3967B5AAF64CA4B3EF9D70AD905701069DFF@KC-MAIL4.kc.umkc.edu> Good point. I generally look at prominent display of BBB membership as akin to a warning label. But complaining does have the potential to do some good--you might help save the next guy from getting stung if he happens to check. IMHO, the BBB is (as has been pointed out) a protection racket for the more shady businesses and a means of avoiding stricter regulation by providing the appearance of a self-policing regime. From vcf at siconic.com Thu Aug 28 10:55:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: BBB (was: WS-FTP and the...) In-Reply-To: <871F3967B5AAF64CA4B3EF9D70AD905701069DFF@KC-MAIL4.kc.umkc.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Passer, Michael W. wrote: > Good point. I generally look at prominent display of BBB membership as > akin to a warning label. But complaining does have the potential to do > some good--you might help save the next guy from getting stung if he > happens to check. I once ordered one of those stupid Roll-a-Hose's from TeeVee. It looked good by the pros operating it in the commercial, but I guess I'm not as bright because it didn't work very well at all when I got it. So I decided to return it. But I was told I'd have to pay for the return shipping! I complained that this was unreasonable but was told that was policy. Fine. So I went online and filed a complaint with the BBB. A few days later I got a pre-paid shipping label sent to me and a letter of regret. Coincidence? You decide. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From luc at e2t.be Thu Aug 28 12:01:01 2003 From: luc at e2t.be (Luc Vande Velde) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: HP 9825A rescue? In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720E781E@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD679@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> I suppose they can't sell it because nobody coming around knows what it is - i am not exactly living in a high tek area and most of their customers look for old machinery, not for electronic stuff. I had a little talk with the guy who runs the place this afternoon - they bought all the electro stuff from our ex-national air company Sabena who went to heaven after a "succesfull" joint-venture with air-suisse. They had tons of pc stuff they could sell pretty easy (who the hell bought all this old 486 Compaq's) The radio equipment is only good for scrap - mostly old Pye transceivers on very un-usual frequency bands (70MHz range) and some air-band stuff What's left is scrapped for aluminium, copper, gold and so on... among them this 9825A - I think I'll buy it tomorrow if they give it away for let's say 10-20 Euro I've seen also a few dozen Ampex 16 track recorders - nice technology but what to do with it? Besides they are standing outside in the rain, stacked 10 high... poor devils... I 'll let you know what options it has... Luc -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Joe Verzonden: woensdag 27 augustus 2003 12:50 Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org Onderwerp: Re: HP 9825A rescue? At 01:36 PM 8/28/03 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I am not familiar with the old HP calculators. >The local junkyard has a HP 9825A desktop calculator they can't sell >They intend to demolish it next week - is it worth saving it? or is the >world full of it? Why can't they sell it? >- is it worth saving it? Yes but it sounds like you don't have any choice. >or is the >world full of it? They're relatively common in this area but I'm close to several large military contractors and Kennedy Space Center and they use a lot of them. But they are neat machines and seem to run forever. It's probably one of the best machines that HP ever built IMO. They run a OS/language called HPL. It's a cross between APL and BASIC. Lots more details on my website at . What model is it? Open the paper cover and see what options it has. Joe >It looks complete and has only some minor estetic damage. > >gr. > >Luc Vande Velde > > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: cctech-admin@classiccmp.org >[mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Fritz Chwolka >Verzonden: donderdag 21 augustus 2003 17:05 >Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org >Onderwerp: Re: Anyone have copy of old BBS software > > >On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:05:25 -0400, Cini, Richard wrote: > >>Hello, all: >> >> Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC >>platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to do some >file >>transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS >>would be a clean way to do it. >> >> Thanks. >> >>Rich Cini > >Why don't use telemate, procomm or zock and use their internal host >like personal bbs ? > >BBSen even here > >http://www.eunet.bg/simtel.net/msdos/bbs.html > >and here look for telix or telemate > >http://www.vectorbd.com/bfd/telecomm/ > > > >Greetings from >Fritz Chwolka > > >> www.alterechner.de < From arcarlini at iee.org Thu Aug 28 12:47:00 2003 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Vax emulator? In-Reply-To: <200308280814.h7S8EBXA029878@gtoal.com> Message-ID: <000401c36d8b$620e9370$5b01a8c0@athlon> > The ones I've found on the net would appear to be either > commercial or sufficiently cut down or incomplete as not to > be practical, but this is just from reading, not from using. > I'd be delighted to be proven wrong. There's Charon-VAX of course, but that is commercial. I have real VAXen so I've not used either SIMH or TS10. I've certainly seen plenty of people claim to be using SIMH successfully and running OpenVMS. I think that TS10 works too but I've not seen so much about that. Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From waltje at pdp11.nl Thu Aug 28 13:10:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Vax emulator? In-Reply-To: <000401c36d8b$620e9370$5b01a8c0@athlon> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Antonio Carlini wrote: > I have real VAXen so I've not used either SIMH or TS10. I've > certainly seen plenty of people claim to be using SIMH > successfully and running OpenVMS. I think that TS10 works > too but I've not seen so much about that. The current releases of SimH are fine for running UNIX and VMS; I personally have a configuration with OpenVMS V7.1, OpenBSD V3.2 and Ultrix/vax V4.5 on my laptop, for playing and development while on my way somewhere... --f From dittman at dittman.net Thu Aug 28 13:17:01 2003 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Vax emulator? In-Reply-To: <000401c36d8b$620e9370$5b01a8c0@athlon> from "Antonio Carlini" at Aug 28, 2003 06:39:50 PM Message-ID: <20030828180922.284817F83@dittman.net> > I have real VAXen so I've not used either SIMH or TS10. I've > certainly seen plenty of people claim to be using SIMH > successfully and running OpenVMS. I think that TS10 works > too but I've not seen so much about that. I have real VAXen, too, but I also have both SIMH and TS10 working just fine. I've run VMS V7.3 on both of them. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From emu at ecubics.com Thu Aug 28 13:29:00 2003 From: emu at ecubics.com (emanuel stiebler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: kennedy 9300 tape drive In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD670@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> References: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD670@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <3F4E4A0F.5090304@ecubics.com> Luc Vande Velde wrote: > If this is a 125 inch/sec unit with 2 large vacuum columns I might have this > manual somewhere in a box deep in the cellar. > After all these years I am no longer sure about the numbers of this units. > A little confirmation please before I start digging... Just like to have a confirmation that it can read 7 and 9 track tapes, and is usually equipped with a pertec interface ... cheers > Luc Vande Velde > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: cctech-admin@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens emanuel stiebler > Verzonden: zondag 24 augustus 2003 23:52 > Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Onderwerp: kennedy 9300 tape drive > > > Anybody out here has a manual for this one ? > > cheers & thanks From als at thangorodrim.de Thu Aug 28 13:53:00 2003 From: als at thangorodrim.de (Alexander Schreiber) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: References: <200308271827.h7RIRZWW022886@eola.ao.net> Message-ID: <20030828183731.GA27715@mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de> On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 06:49:13AM -0700, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 acme@ao.net wrote: > > > And BTW, what's wrong with the FTP client provided with Win9x? Sure, it's > > command-line only, but IMHO beats paying for a GUI version . . . > > Hahahahaha :) > > Seriously though, there are freeware versions that can be readily > downloaded that are 1000 times better. But for my purposes, I like > VanDyke's Secure FX because I don't use any open-text (i.e. unencrypted) > protocols any longer for remote access. That depends. FTP is ok for things like downloading software archives from public ftp servers - no password to steal. For any file transfer where the authentication is better kept secret, scp is the tool of choice for me. Regards, Alex. -- "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison From dfnr2 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 14:10:00 2003 From: dfnr2 at yahoo.com (Dave) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Osborne 1 monitor questions Message-ID: <20030828190232.69372.qmail@web9406.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, Thanks to the help of several of you, I have, after reparing the power supply, been able to verify that the CPU is running, and using the .PDF service manual, am able to get a signal on the video pin (8) after replacing the contrast pot. However, the monitor still produces no output. I have a couple of questions: 1) Is there a SAMS or some other document that discusses the monitor operation? 2) What's the simplest way to use an external monitor for testing? 3) Does the monitor use the +12V line on the connector from the CPU board for all its power, including the HV converter? Unfortunately I don't have an HV probe at the moment, so I'm being cautious about poking around the CRT. Thanks, David. From ghldbrd at ccp.com Thu Aug 28 14:22:01 2003 From: ghldbrd at ccp.com (ghldbrd@ccp.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Osborne 1 monitor questions In-Reply-To: <20030828190232.69372.qmail@web9406.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030828190232.69372.qmail@web9406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3443.65.123.179.178.1062098071.squirrel@webmail.ccp.com> > Hello, > > Thanks to the help of several of you, I have, after > reparing the power supply, been able to verify that > the CPU is running, and using the .PDF service manual, > am able to get a signal on the video pin (8) after > replacing the contrast pot. However, the monitor > still produces no output. I have a couple of > questions: > > 1) Is there a SAMS or some other document that > discusses the monitor operation? Yes, I'll have to dig for it in the rubble here. > > 2) What's the simplest way to use an external monitor > for testing? Wasn't there some sort of video adapter that plugged in where the jumper was on the front panel.. ISTR it was a standard b/w NTSC monitor. One of the surplus electronics places in CA was selling said item for about $4 or so. > > 3) Does the monitor use the +12V line on the connector > from the CPU board for all its power, including the HV > converter? I'd have to check the schematic, but it sounds logical (sorry Spock!) > > Unfortunately I don't have an HV probe at the moment, > so I'm being cautious about poking around the CRT. Well, using a screwdriver, pry up the cap over the HV lead on the CRT so you can get at the metal --- and draw an arc to see if HV is present. Use an insulated screwdriver, and don't tie it to ground. You should see a small arc of maybe 1/4" or so. Sometimes you can hear the static electricity around the CRT when it powers up as well, but being that small, might be hard to hear. Sometimes with the static electricity you can feel your hairs react as you take the back of your knuckles or hand over the screen I'd look at HV, then the grid voltages at the CRT, and then the video output transistor that drives the cathode for proper voltages, etc. > > Thanks, > > David. > Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO From kth at srv.net Thu Aug 28 14:27:00 2003 From: kth at srv.net (Kevin Handy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Vax emulator? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F4E606B.9040502@srv.net> Fred N. van Kempen wrote: >On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Graham Toal wrote: > > > >>I have access to licenced VMS install CDs that came with some uVaxen >>some time ago at the University where I work. The systems have been >>surplussed long ago but we kept the software. If there a decent >>(free) emulator that will run these on a Windows/XP or Linux PC? >> >>The ones I've found on the net would appear to be either commercial or >>sufficiently cut down or incomplete as not to be practical, but this is >>just from reading, not from using. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong. >> >> > >SimH/VAX works fine for most VMS playage.. it supports a fair set of >disks, terminal controllers, tapes, and emulates a KA655 (MicroVAX 3800 >et al) system with up to 32MB of memory. It also supports Ethernet, >and can run under either several flavors of U*ix, VMS or Win32. > > > The only problems with simh networking that I have found, is that it must run as root, and LAT doesn't work very well in my setup (not exactly sure why, except that LAT doesn't route well) From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Thu Aug 28 14:29:00 2003 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Peter Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: (OT) ZN448E ADC chip Message-ID: <10308282021.ZM24023@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> It's over 10 years old, and it's microprocessor-compatible, but it's an analogue to digital converter chip, not a computer. It's also not in my spares box, and I need one. Does anyone have a spare? Or a data sheet? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From arcarlini at iee.org Thu Aug 28 14:37:00 2003 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Osborne 1 monitor questions In-Reply-To: <20030828190232.69372.qmail@web9406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000b01c36d9a$be73ff10$5b01a8c0@athlon> > 1) Is there a SAMS or some other document that > discusses the monitor operation? I have a tech manual that is a little different to the one Al Kossow has on his site. It includes some information about the little monitors (IIRC it has, for example, the original manufacturer's data). I'll happily upload to somewhere but the whole lot is probably somewhere between 100MB and a whole CD. It includes things like the User's Guide (which you probably do not need right now). > 2) What's the simplest way to use an external monitor > for testing? No idea. I do believe that you need to plug in a little adapter on the front though and that must be done with the power OFF. > Unfortunately I don't have an HV probe at the moment, > so I'm being cautious about poking around the CRT. Do you not have schematics in the pdfs you have? Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From waltje at pdp11.nl Thu Aug 28 14:38:01 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Vax emulator? In-Reply-To: <3F4E606B.9040502@srv.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Kevin Handy wrote: > The only problems with simh networking that I have found, is that it must > run as root, and LAT doesn't work very well in my setup (not exactly sure > why, except that LAT doesn't route well) True... I dont like how they did the eventual DEQNA/DEUNA emulation; I still believe my code was better *evil smile*. The LAT problem has to do with LAT protocol timing constraints; it will puke lots if these are not met. SimH will lots of troubles adhering to that- LAT wants a 80ms response time on its protocol, soo... not simple. --f From arcarlini at iee.org Thu Aug 28 14:40:01 2003 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Vax emulator? In-Reply-To: <3F4E606B.9040502@srv.net> Message-ID: <000c01c36d9b$23625070$5b01a8c0@athlon> > The only problems with simh networking that I have found, is > that it must run as root, and LAT doesn't work very well in > my setup (not exactly sure why, except that LAT doesn't route well) I'd be surprised if it routed any worse than any other unroutable protocol :-) LAT is also particularly sensitive to timing. Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From aek at spies.com Thu Aug 28 15:02:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: kennedy 9300 tape drive Message-ID: <200308281954.h7SJsevF003304@spies.com> Just like to have a confirmation that it can read 7 and 9 track tapes -- 7 and 9 track 1/2" tapes have different track spacing, and require different head stacks for each format. the only drive I have ever heard of that was capable of reading both were specially configured HP 7970's Good luck finding a drive capable of reading 2400' 7 track tapes. It took me several years to find just a 7 track head stack, and it cost me $500. From coredump at gifford.co.uk Thu Aug 28 15:11:00 2003 From: coredump at gifford.co.uk (John Honniball) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: (OT) ZN448E ADC chip In-Reply-To: <10308282021.ZM24023@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> References: <10308282021.ZM24023@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> Message-ID: <3F4E603F.9040409@gifford.co.uk> Peter Turnbull wrote: > It's over 10 years old, and it's microprocessor-compatible, but it's an > analogue to digital converter chip, not a computer. It's also not in > my spares box, and I need one. Does anyone have a spare? Or a data > sheet? I only have a couple of ZN428 chips, and the data sheet for them. I may have data for the ZN448 -- I'll have a look. It was a Ferranti part, if that helps at all. -- John Honniball coredump@gifford.co.uk From patrick at evocative.com Thu Aug 28 15:12:00 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: Osborne 1 monitor questions In-Reply-To: <3443.65.123.179.178.1062098071.squirrel@webmail.ccp.com> Message-ID: > > Unfortunately I don't have an HV probe at the moment, > > so I'm being cautious about poking around the CRT. Is the filament glowing? --P From emu at ecubics.com Thu Aug 28 15:34:00 2003 From: emu at ecubics.com (emanuel stiebler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: kennedy 9300 tape drive In-Reply-To: <200308281954.h7SJsevF003304@spies.com> References: <200308281954.h7SJsevF003304@spies.com> Message-ID: <3F4E6773.1030901@ecubics.com> Hi Al, Please check the manual of the TU10 on you ftp. It is capable of reading both formats (if you get the transports for it) ;-) Al Kossow wrote: > Just like to have a confirmation that it can read 7 and 9 track tapes > > -- > > 7 and 9 track 1/2" tapes have different track spacing, and require > different head stacks for each format. > > the only drive I have ever heard of that was capable of reading both > were specially configured HP 7970's > > Good luck finding a drive capable of reading 2400' 7 track tapes. > It took me several years to find just a 7 track head stack, and it > cost me $500. From tractorb at ihug.co.nz Thu Aug 28 15:40:00 2003 From: tractorb at ihug.co.nz (Dave Brown) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: kennedy 9300 tape drive References: <3F493365.4080905@ecubics.com> Message-ID: <06ef01c36da3$7c7a42f0$6f00a8c0@athlon> I have a spare 9000 manual if it's any use. Dave Brown Christchurch, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "emanuel stiebler" To: Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:51 AM Subject: kennedy 9300 tape drive > Anybody out here has a manual for this one ? > > cheers & thanks From waltje at pdp11.nl Thu Aug 28 15:50:01 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: HP tape drives (was: Re: kennedy 9300 tape drive) In-Reply-To: <06ef01c36da3$7c7a42f0$6f00a8c0@athlon> Message-ID: Are there any HP TapeDrive Wiz@rds here? Please makes yourselves known in private email... *sniff* --f From cisin at xenosoft.com Thu Aug 28 16:15:01 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:31 2005 Subject: BBB (Was: WS-FTP and the AssHoles at Ipswitch In-Reply-To: <200308271827.h7RIRZWW022886@eola.ao.net> References: <200308271827.h7RIRZWW022886@eola.ao.net> Message-ID: <20030828135508.T18911@newshell.lmi.net> > > That's a good start. You should also file a complaint with the BBB > > (Better Business Bureau). Finally, for a good FTP client from a good On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 acme@ao.net wrote: > I don't know about your neck of the woods, Sellam, but here in Central Florida > where Joe and I live the BBB is little more than a shakedown for small > businesses. Each time they call me to solicit a membership and I tell them > that I'm not interested, they close the conversation by stating that "there > have been recent inquiries concerning your company" and "we'll get back to > those who inquired and let them know that you're not a member in good > standing and that you refused to provide us with information regarding your > business." The same identical thing happened to me in 1978 in Berkeley, CA. But they started with the threats BEFORE I had made my decision. After a few times, I wrote to the state attorney general. I got back a form letter that said that unless there was direct evidence of a crime, that they wouldn't get involved, and that if I had a problem with any business, (other than a readily provable crime), that I should instead consider filing a complaint with the BBB. As to who DOES join,... Remember Chris Farley's comments about displaying a warranty, in the movie where he was peddling auto parts. From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 28 16:57:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030827220245.48c7686c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> What baud rate, parity, data bits do you use for these and do you need to press any certain key to get the system to recognize the terminal? I have two of these. I tried to bring them up today. The closest setting that seemed to work was 9600 Baud, 8N1. But all I could get on the display was '||PPPP'. I got exactly the same from both CPUs. Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 28 16:57:45 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: (OT) ZN448E ADC chip In-Reply-To: <10308282021.ZM24023@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030827215834.0eb72f4e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 08:21 PM 8/28/03 +0100, you wrote: >It's over 10 years old, and it's microprocessor-compatible, but it's an >analogue to digital converter chip, not a computer. It's also not in >my spares box, and I need one. Does anyone have a spare? Or a data >sheet? Who made it? Joe From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 28 17:07:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/9800.htm In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030827125410.32972d8a@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> from "Joe" at Aug 27, 3 12:54:10 pm Message-ID: > At 12:29 PM 8/27/03 -0400, **vp wrote: > >On the section on the 9825 it says: > >> [The 9825T] also has a large warning label on outside top warning the > >> user not to install any ROMs other than the 98211 Matrix ROM or the > >> 98217A Flexible Disk Drive ROM. It says that installing any plug-in ROM AFAIK these are the only 2 ROMs that are not already built-in... > >> that is already built into the calculator may damage the machine. I > >> have never seen this warning on ANY other HP machine. The 9825T is a bit strange. There's some bank-switching circuitry to allow 64K of RAM _and_ all the ROMs (the CPU can only address 64K, and ROMs and RAM are in the same address space). This involves 2 special memory boards (one with the ROMs and 32K RAM, the other with the bank-switching circuitry and the other 32K). There's no OS ROM cartridge on the RHS of the machine either (in fact the CS line for this cartridge is hard-wired to be deasserted. Watch out if you're moving boards between machines -- there are a couple of trace cuts on the CPU board in the 9825T (to disable some chip select lines that would have gone to ROMs, etc). On my machine they're hidden under the CPU hybrid... You may also have guessed that the ROM modules for the 9825 each have their onw address (in some of them, it's selected by a jumper on the PCB!), so that's why putting 2 indentical ROMs in at the same time is a bad idea... > IIRC I've only seen that on ONE 9825T and I have a bunch of them. Mine's a 9825T... -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 28 17:07:25 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: HP-85 Re: anyone in rochester? In-Reply-To: <200308271500.h7RF0nHC004751@king.mcs.drexel.edu> from "Vassilis Prevelakis" at Aug 27, 3 11:00:49 am Message-ID: > Some day I may finally produce the HP 85 ROM emulator, but the way things > are going, don't hold your breath :-( It's not going to be that simple -- the HP85 CPU bus is somewhat strange... > > BTW I have finally managed to get a 98155A keyboard for my 9915's As you've doubtless realised by now, it's just a matrix of switches, and the matrix layout is the same as for the HP85 (the service manual for which is easy enough to obtain, on the MoHPC CD-ROMs). I think I posted the DB25 connector pinout a few months back -- if not, I can dig it out. > > The 85 is a fine machine, it's too bad that they saddled it with a tape > > drive! It would have been a great machine if they would have replaced the > > tape drive with a 3.5" floppy drive. > But they did! Its called the HP Integral PC. Its faster, more compact, THe integral was, indeed, supposed to the the replacement for the 85. That's why one of the options was to have Technical BASIC in ROM. > has an ergonomic keyboard, and even has Unix when you want to go around > the back and fiddle with things. > > Too bad its not as cute as the 85. Eh? I think the Integral is a much nicer machine (both in electronic design and styling) than the 85... -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 28 17:08:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: (OT) ZN448E ADC chip In-Reply-To: <10308282021.ZM24023@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> from "Peter Turnbull" at Aug 28, 3 08:21:45 pm Message-ID: > It's over 10 years old, and it's microprocessor-compatible, but it's an > analogue to digital converter chip, not a computer. It's also not in > my spares box, and I need one. Does anyone have a spare? Or a data > sheet? I can't find a chip (although it sounds familiar for some reason), but I do have a Ferranti data book that covers it. What do you need to know? -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 28 17:08:11 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: Osborne 1 monitor questions In-Reply-To: <20030828190232.69372.qmail@web9406.mail.yahoo.com> from "Dave" at Aug 28, 3 12:02:31 pm Message-ID: > 3) Does the monitor use the +12V line on the connector > from the CPU board for all its power, including the HV > converter? Quite likely it does (I've never seen an Osbourne...) Many mono monitors run the line output stage (horizontal output stage) off 12V, and the flyback transformer provides all the higher voltages. > > Unfortunately I don't have an HV probe at the moment, > so I'm being cautious about poking around the CRT. Even without an EHT probe you can check the electron gun voltages. Assuming it's a 7 pin CRT (with a 12V supply, I'd expect this, since such CRTs have 12V heaters). Firstly, I assume the heater is glowing. The pinout of most CRTs is : 1 : Control grid (expect a -ve voltage up to about -100V here, adjustable by the brightness control if there is on (NOT the contrast control) 2 : Cathode (expect about 70-80V here, maybe less) 3 : Heater 4 : Heater (Often one of these is grounded, the other had 12V DC on it) 5 : Control grid (see pin 1) 6 : Anode 7 : Anode (One of these is the 'focus' electrode, the other is connected to the 'screen' control if there is one. Expect about 400V on the latter and a bit more on the former). If the anode voltages are present and look reasonable, then the line output stage is probably operational. -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 28 17:11:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: Osborne 1 monitor questions In-Reply-To: <3443.65.123.179.178.1062098071.squirrel@webmail.ccp.com> from "ghldbrd@ccp.com" at Aug 28, 3 02:14:31 pm Message-ID: > > Unfortunately I don't have an HV probe at the moment, > > so I'm being cautious about poking around the CRT. > > Well, using a screwdriver, pry up the cap over the HV lead on the CRT so > you can get at the metal --- and draw an arc to see if HV is present. Use No, please _DON'T_ do that. You can burn out semiconductors all over the instrument -- in this case you could damage ICs on the CPU board, etc. > an insulated screwdriver, and don't tie it to ground. You should see a Admittedly it's less likely to do damage if the screwdriver is earthed through a high impedance (the handle and _you_ (!)), but I still wouldn't risk it. -tony From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 28 17:18:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: HP tape drives (was: Re: kennedy 9300 tape drive) In-Reply-To: References: <06ef01c36da3$7c7a42f0$6f00a8c0@athlon> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030827220359.0f174b36@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Which tape drives? Joe At 10:41 PM 8/28/03 +0200, you wrote: >Are there any HP TapeDrive Wiz@rds here? > >Please makes yourselves known in private email... *sniff* > >--f From spedraja at ono.com Thu Aug 28 17:25:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? References: <3.0.6.16.20030827220245.48c7686c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <018a01c36db1$c1c8b0e0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Perhaps is a problem of the cable and terminal you are using. I have one DEC cable with MMJ connector, and use one VT-102 or one Compaq Portable with Kermit using VT-102 emulation to connect with the Microvax 2000. Just curious... Do you have in the back of the Microvax one Box with three MMJ connectors ? This is neccesary to connect with one Serial Terminal (someone correct me if this is a mistake) Cheers Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? > What baud rate, parity, data bits do you use for these and do you need to > press any certain key to get the system to recognize the terminal? I have > two of these. I tried to bring them up today. The closest setting that > seemed to work was 9600 Baud, 8N1. But all I could get on the display was > '||PPPP'. I got exactly the same from both CPUs. > > Joe From emu at ecubics.com Thu Aug 28 17:40:01 2003 From: emu at ecubics.com (emanuel stiebler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: 7 track tape drives Message-ID: <3F4E84C2.6030805@ecubics.com> Hi, So anybody out here knows of any 7 track drives which are still easy (?) to get and have some kind of "usual" interfaces ? cheers From healyzh at aracnet.com Thu Aug 28 17:40:24 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? In-Reply-To: <018a01c36db1$c1c8b0e0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> from "SP" at Aug 29, 2003 12:14:31 AM Message-ID: <200308282231.h7SMVW3t028666@onyx.spiritone.com> > Perhaps is a problem of the cable and terminal you are using. > I have one DEC cable with MMJ connector, and use one VT-102 > or one Compaq Portable with Kermit using VT-102 emulation to connect > with the Microvax 2000. > > Just curious... Do you have in the back of the Microvax one Box with > three MMJ connectors ? This is neccesary to connect with one Serial > Terminal (someone correct me if this is a mistake) You just made me remember something. Joe, dig up the OpenVMS FAQ. If you're trying to connect via the 9-pin (or is it 25-pin) serial connection you'll probably have to make a special cable to connect, the pinout on the KA630 class systems is a bit odd as I recall. There is a MMJ adapter, but they're pretty rare. Zane From aek at spies.com Thu Aug 28 17:48:01 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: 7 track tape drives Message-ID: <200308282240.h7SMeVDm026089@spies.com> So anybody out here knows of any 7 track drives which are still easy (?) to get and have some kind of "usual" interfaces ? -- If you have 7 track tapes of historical significance, and are willing to release their contents, there are a couple of people who will read them for you. You will not be able to either find an easy to get or 'usual' interface as these devices have been out of production for over 30 years and every source for heads has discontinued production. There are a (very) few companies that have "new old stock" tape drives, which they are attempting to sell for many thousands of dollars. From jfoust at threedee.com Thu Aug 28 17:52:00 2003 From: jfoust at threedee.com (John Foust) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: Quantum Fireball LCT 6.4 gig needed In-Reply-To: <20030828135508.T18911@newshell.lmi.net> References: <200308271827.h7RIRZWW022886@eola.ao.net> <200308271827.h7RIRZWW022886@eola.ao.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030828172447.03062410@pc> I'm trying to do some circuit-board transplant data rescue for a client, and I need one of these circa 1997 3.5 inch drives, commonly used in Dells and IBM Aptivas. Ideally, "P/N LA08A011 rev A01." - John From jfoust at threedee.com Thu Aug 28 17:52:13 2003 From: jfoust at threedee.com (John Foust) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: Looking for plot data files In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030824164126.1147156e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030828173654.03165e20@pc> You can also find converters that go from DXF to Adobe Illustrator, or you can load the DXF into AutoCAD and plot to PDF. - John From jfoust at threedee.com Thu Aug 28 18:08:01 2003 From: jfoust at threedee.com (John Foust) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030824173105.00a64590@mail.analog-and-digital- solutions.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030828174826.031799e8@pc> At 05:31 PM 8/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: >1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2552753957 Are these commonly available at Bay area surplus shops? I've got some old 3 inch wafers, but I'd like some big ones, too. - John From doc at mdrconsult.com Thu Aug 28 18:10:01 2003 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? In-Reply-To: <018a01c36db1$c1c8b0e0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> References: <3.0.6.16.20030827220245.48c7686c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <018a01c36db1$c1c8b0e0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Message-ID: <3F4E8A10.3030801@mdrconsult.com> SP wrote: > Perhaps is a problem of the cable and terminal you are using. > I have one DEC cable with MMJ connector, and use one VT-102 > or one Compaq Portable with Kermit using VT-102 emulation to connect > with the Microvax 2000. > > Just curious... Do you have in the back of the Microvax one Box with > three MMJ connectors ? This is neccesary to connect with one Serial > Terminal (someone correct me if this is a mistake) I had a couple of VS2000 (Same box, with graohics) and routinely used a nearly-standard PC-type RS-232 null modem cable. You have to short two pins at the VAX side, but I do not remember which two. I found the pinouts in some FAQ or other online. Also, remember that on all the desktop VAXen I've run, the *printer* port is the console. Zane, Eric, is that absolute or no? Sorry I don't have the pinout, but IIRC, it's the same cable needed for the MVII console. Doc From healyzh at aracnet.com Thu Aug 28 18:31:00 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? In-Reply-To: <3F4E8A10.3030801@mdrconsult.com> from "Doc" at Aug 28, 2003 06:02:40 PM Message-ID: <200308282322.h7SNM8xZ029814@onyx.spiritone.com> > Also, remember that on all the desktop VAXen I've run, the *printer* > port is the console. Zane, Eric, is that absolute or no? By other desktop VAXen let's just say VAXstation 3100's and 4000's :^) Some people around here probably consider a VAX 4000 a desktop. Come to think of it in the case of a couple so would I :^) Eric and a couple others can answer this better than I can. I haven't messed much with VAXen in years. I typically run Alpha's for VMS, but keep a few VAXen around for special purposes, or apps. As I recall on most systems there should be a console port AND a printer port which can be used to connect another terminal. I'm possitive this is true for VS 3100/10's and VS 4000/60's and 90's. I think the VS 4000/VLC might share the port like you're talking about, but it's been a couple years at least since I've touched mine. I can't remember what the back of a VS2000 looks like, don't even remember where mine is buried :^) I only use it for formatting drives anyway. Having a 2nd port to log into recently came in useful when I needed to retrieve some data from a VAXstation 4000/60. Errors were screaming accross the console so fast I couldn't read the data, so I connected the terminal to the other port and was able to get the data no problem. Zane From vcf at siconic.com Thu Aug 28 18:31:34 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030828174826.031799e8@pc> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, John Foust wrote: > At 05:31 PM 8/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2552753957 > > Are these commonly available at Bay area surplus shops? Not that I'm personally aware of. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From waltje at pdp11.nl Thu Aug 28 19:01:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030827220245.48c7686c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > What baud rate, parity, data bits do you use for these and do you need to 9600/8/n/1, no modem control > press any certain key to get the system to recognize the terminal? I have > two of these. I tried to bring them up today. The closest setting that > seemed to work was 9600 Baud, 8N1. But all I could get on the display was > '||PPPP'. I got exactly the same from both CPUs. they CAN be set to something else (1200-19200) by the prev. owner.. that is all I can think of. Make sure they are set to SERIAL console (if they have a framebuffer...) and use the correct MMJ port... lots of info about this on www.vaxarchive.org .. --f From dittman at dittman.net Thu Aug 28 19:08:01 2003 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? In-Reply-To: <3F4E8A10.3030801@mdrconsult.com> from "Doc" at Aug 28, 2003 06:02:40 PM Message-ID: <20030829000055.BF1567F83@dittman.net> > I had a couple of VS2000 (Same box, with graohics) and routinely used > a nearly-standard PC-type RS-232 null modem cable. You have to short > two pins at the VAX side, but I do not remember which two. I found the > pinouts in some FAQ or other online. The OpenVMS FAQ has the pinouts, IIRC. > Also, remember that on all the desktop VAXen I've run, the *printer* > port is the console. Zane, Eric, is that absolute or no? That actually depends on the system. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From donm at cts.com Thu Aug 28 19:48:00 2003 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: Attache Disks In-Reply-To: <20030827222701.19161.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, jim stephens wrote: > I have dredged up my Atrona system and will try > to make some floppy copies for interested parties > soon. > > I belive I have floppies to boot both the 8 bit > processor, and the 16 bit service processor into > MS/Dos 2.x (2.1 maybe). > > I'll post again when I get the system tested and > running. > > It uses standard 3 1/2" floppies (I think 720K, > again I'll have to post when I check it out). That is unusual. If this is the original Attache', the normal drive is a 5.25" 48tpi 2/3 high. - don > Jim From cisin at xenosoft.com Thu Aug 28 20:08:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: Attache Disks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030828175637.Y24988@newshell.lmi.net> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Don Maslin wrote: > > It uses standard 3 1/2" floppies (I think 720K, > > again I'll have to post when I check it out). > That is unusual. If this is the original Attache', > the normal drive is a 5.25" 48tpi 2/3 high. There was also a 720K 5.25" 96TPI (80 track per side) option. -- Fred Cisin cisin@xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com PO Box 1236 (510) 558-9366 Berkeley, CA 94701-1236 From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 28 20:31:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? In-Reply-To: <200308282231.h7SMVW3t028666@onyx.spiritone.com> References: <018a01c36db1$c1c8b0e0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030828011609.0fb7e5bc@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 03:31 PM 8/28/03 -0700, Zane wrote: >> Perhaps is a problem of the cable and terminal you are using. >> I have one DEC cable with MMJ connector, and use one VT-102 >> or one Compaq Portable with Kermit using VT-102 emulation to connect >> with the Microvax 2000. >> >> Just curious... Do you have in the back of the Microvax one Box with >> three MMJ connectors ? This is neccesary to connect with one Serial >> Terminal (someone correct me if this is a mistake) > >You just made me remember something. Joe, dig up the OpenVMS FAQ. If >you're trying to connect via the 9-pin (or is it 25-pin) serial connection >you'll probably have to make a special cable to connect, the pinout on the >KA630 class systems is a bit odd as I recall. The FAQ that I read does show a specail cable for use in connecting to the 9 pin port (J3) but it also says that J10 is a standard 25-pin serial port. that's the one that I'm trying to use. The VS 2000 is interesting. The ports change function frequently! There is a MMJ adapter, but >they're pretty rare. Bummer. There goes that idea. Joe > > Zane From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 28 20:31:47 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: Tektronix 4207 terminal? Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030828012627.0fb7cb14@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Is anyone familar with this terminal? I have one and I've been using it for years. I never had a manual for it and it took a while to figure out how to use it but I did and I thought I understood it. UNTIL today! Today I turned it off to disconnect a cable, when I turned it back on it said Factory Cycle Test and started doing all kinds of self tests and video tests. It endlessly repeats the tests and I can't find a way to stop it! I have no idea why it started or how to stop the tests. Does anybody know? It has both a Self Test and Reset buttons but neither one will stop the tests. I've tried all combinations of them and the power switch. Reset does make it reset and start over but it goes right back to running the same tests. The SelfTest button USUALLY causes it to run a short self test but these tests are much more extensive. When the tests start it displays a message using the normal seelf test to control cycling or continous tests. I'm not sure exactly what it means but I'm guessing that they mean to use the ST button to control wheather the tests repeat or not. However I tried the ST button and it doesn't appear to have any effect. Anybody have a manual for this or know how to operate it? Joe From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 28 20:31:58 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? In-Reply-To: <3F4E8A10.3030801@mdrconsult.com> References: <018a01c36db1$c1c8b0e0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> <3.0.6.16.20030827220245.48c7686c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <018a01c36db1$c1c8b0e0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030828013156.0faf40b8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 06:02 PM 8/28/03 -0500, you wrote: >SP wrote: >> Perhaps is a problem of the cable and terminal you are using. >> I have one DEC cable with MMJ connector, and use one VT-102 >> or one Compaq Portable with Kermit using VT-102 emulation to connect >> with the Microvax 2000. >> >> Just curious... Do you have in the back of the Microvax one Box with >> three MMJ connectors ? This is neccesary to connect with one Serial >> Terminal (someone correct me if this is a mistake) > > I had a couple of VS2000 (Same box, with graohics) and routinely used >a nearly-standard PC-type RS-232 null modem cable. That's what I'm using. You have to short >two pins at the VAX side, but I do not remember which two. I found the >pinouts in some FAQ or other online. Hmmm. You might be onto something. I did see something about having to short out pins 8 and 9 when using the 9-pin port. I wonder if that might apply to the 25 pin port? > > Also, remember that on all the desktop VAXen I've run, the *printer* >port is the console. Zane, Eric, is that absolute or no? yeap, the ports on them seem to be "multi-functional"! > > Sorry I don't have the pinout, but IIRC, it's the same cable needed >for the MVII console. Gee, that tells me a lot :-/ Joe > > > Doc From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Aug 28 20:32:08 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? In-Reply-To: <018a01c36db1$c1c8b0e0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> References: <3.0.6.16.20030827220245.48c7686c@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030828011239.0fb74cdc@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 12:14 AM 8/29/03 +0200, you wrote: >Perhaps is a problem of the cable and terminal you are using. >I have one DEC cable with MMJ connector, and use one VT-102 >or one Compaq Portable with Kermit using VT-102 emulation to connect >with the Microvax 2000. > >Just curious... Do you have in the back of the Microvax one Box with >three MMJ connectors ? This is neccesary to connect with one Serial >Terminal (someone correct me if this is a mistake) I don't have the box with the three MMJ connectors. I don't THINK it's necessary. I think you can use the J10 connector and a regular RS-232 cable. At least that's my understanding based on what I read at . And I am getting something on the terminal. Joe > >Cheers > >Sergio > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:02 PM >Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? > > >> What baud rate, parity, data bits do you use for these and do you need >to >> press any certain key to get the system to recognize the terminal? I have >> two of these. I tried to bring them up today. The closest setting that >> seemed to work was 9600 Baud, 8N1. But all I could get on the display was >> '||PPPP'. I got exactly the same from both CPUs. >> >> Joe From healyzh at aracnet.com Thu Aug 28 21:16:00 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030828011239.0fb74cdc@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> from "Joe" at Aug 28, 2003 01:12:39 AM Message-ID: <200308290207.h7T27Uqr031905@onyx.spiritone.com> > I don't have the box with the three MMJ connectors. I don't THINK it's > necessary. I think you can use the J10 connector and a regular RS-232 It's not, it is simply a very cool option that a few of the early desktop VAXen had (at least IIRC some of the 3100's had a simular option). Zane From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Thu Aug 28 22:04:00 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030828174826.031799e8@pc> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030824173105.00a64590@mail.analog-and-digital- solutions.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030828225023.08841ec0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> John and Sellam, I ran across that item as I was searching out things on eBay. I posted it because I remembered some of the list members discussing wanting some of them. Someone would have to have gotten them and then taken care of distributing them to the others, but that item has ended now. Don't know if they were blank or etched yet. Still, you might email the seller and see if he/she has anymore and would be willing to sell any individually. Best Regards At 05:48 PM 8/28/03 -0500, you wrote: >At 05:31 PM 8/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2552753957 > >Are these commonly available at Bay area surplus shops? >I've got some old 3 inch wafers, but I'd like some big ones, too. > >- John At 04:16 PM 8/28/03 -0700, you wrote: >On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, John Foust wrote: > > > At 05:31 PM 8/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > >1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2552753957 > > > > Are these commonly available at Bay area surplus shops? > >Not that I'm personally aware of. > >-- > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > >[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] >[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at >http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From tothwolf at concentric.net Thu Aug 28 22:38:00 2003 From: tothwolf at concentric.net (Tothwolf) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030828174826.031799e8@pc> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030828174826.031799e8@pc> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, John Foust wrote: > At 05:31 PM 8/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2552753957 > > Are these commonly available at Bay area surplus shops? > I've got some old 3 inch wafers, but I'd like some big ones, too. Those also appear to be 3" wafers. I was a little shocked to see how the seller handled them, as even a tiny scratch or fingerprint is going to cause problems if someone is going to etch one. -Toth From jcwren at jcwren.com Thu Aug 28 23:05:00 2003 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030828174826.031799e8@pc> Message-ID: <200308282357.27587.jcwren@jcwren.com> With the Ronco Home Wafer Fab Line? --John On Thursday 28 August 2003 23:48 pm, Tothwolf wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, John Foust wrote: > > At 05:31 PM 8/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2552753957 > > > > Are these commonly available at Bay area surplus shops? > > I've got some old 3 inch wafers, but I'd like some big ones, too. > > Those also appear to be 3" wafers. I was a little shocked to see how the > seller handled them, as even a tiny scratch or fingerprint is going to > cause problems if someone is going to etch one. > > -Toth From donm at cts.com Thu Aug 28 23:13:00 2003 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030828013156.0faf40b8@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > At 06:02 PM 8/28/03 -0500, you wrote: > > I had a couple of VS2000 (Same box, with graohics) and routinely used > >a nearly-standard PC-type RS-232 null modem cable. > > That's what I'm using. > > You have to short > >two pins at the VAX side, but I do not remember which two. I found the > >pinouts in some FAQ or other online. > > Hmmm. You might be onto something. I did see something about having to > short out pins 8 and 9 when using the 9-pin port. I wonder if that might > apply to the 25 pin port? Joe, the following should define the cable for use with the 9-pin port, and the attachment - appropriately scraped off before general distribution - should provide more general info. - don VAX 11/780 VAXARCHIVE VS2000 hardware info page My VS2000 The VS2000 is a small and somewhat slow "VAX in a lunch box". It is great for the beginner to experiment with, not as noisy and not as big as other VAX systems. It will run VMS, Ultrix and NetBSD, and it is possible to hook a graphical monitor up to it. VAXstation/microVAX jumper The MicroVAX 2000 and the VAXstation 2000 really are the same machine. You can set a jumper on the system board to tell the system how to behave. VS2K jumper On the KA410 motherboard about two inches or so directly behind the thin ethernet BNC connector: * VAXstation 2000: jumper on pins closer to thin ethernet BNC * MicroVAX 2000: jumper on pins farther away from the thin etherner BNC A blue jumper was used for the picture, so you could see it more easily here, but the original jumper is black. There are four serial ports on the cpu board. On the MicroVAX 2000, these become the console and three terminal ports. On the VAXstation 2000, these become the printer port, keyboard, mouse and modem interface. Both machines have a mono (1024x864x1) frame buffer on the CPU board. You enable or disable it (read: change it from a MicroVAX 2000 to a VAXstation 2000 and back) by inserting or removing the jumper. Also this jumper toggles a flag in the configuration register (the "server flag") which is checked by some VAX/VMS software in order to decide which and how many licenses you need. This flag is used by NetBSD only to decide which string to diplay, "MicroVAX 2000" or "VAXstation 2000" Console cable If the graphics board has been disabled with the jumper, the console is switched to the printer port. However, to get the console to appear on the printer port, setting the jumper is not required. It is possible to force a VS2000 to use a serial console without fiddling with the jumper on the motherboard. The 2000 has four serial ports: the 25-pin comm port, the 9-pin printer port, and two ports on the 15-pin video port for the mouse and keyboard. Normally, to connect a printer to the 9-pin printer port you use a BCC05 cable. If you use a BCC08 cable, the 2000 will use the 9-pin port as its console. The BCC08 shorts pins 8 and 9 of the 9-pin port together to signal it should be used as a console. The other interesting pins on the 9-pin port are: 1 - Shield GND 2 - Transmitted data 3 - Received data 7 - Signal GND This is the console cable: VAX 9 pin console PC 9 pin serial PC 25 pin serial 1 - Shield GND 2 - Received data 1 - Shield ground 2 - Transmitted data 3 - Transmitted data 2 - Transmitted data 3 - Received data 5 - Signal GND 3 - Received data 7 - Signal GND 1 - DCD 7 - Signal GND 8 - sense console 1 4 - DTR 8 - DCD 9 - sense console 2 6 - DSR 20 - DTR 7 - RTS 6 - DSR 8 - CTS 4 - RTS 5 - CTS The cable VAX PC9 PC25 2 --------- 2 3 3 --------- 3 2 7 --------- 5 7 8 -+ +- 1 8 | | 9 -+ +- 4 20 | +- 6 6 +- 7 4 | +- 8 5 Here are detailed instructions how to make a console cable. Connectors on the system board photo connectors on the system board description connectors on the system board Printer/console port (J3) 1 - ground 2 - xmit_data 3 - rcv_data 4 - no conn 5 - +12VDC 6 - no conn 7 - ground 8 - ground 9 - fer_ena (jumper to pin 8 for console) Video Connector (J5) 1 - vid_red 2 - color_ret 3 - mono_ret 4 - +5VDC 5 - mouse_rcv 6 - kbd_grnd 7 - ground 8 - +12VDC 9 - vid_mono 10 - vid_green 11 - vid_blue 12 - -12VDC 13 - mouse_xmit 14 - kbd_rcv 15 - kbd_xmit The interesting pins in the video connector from a serial port perspective are: 6 - GND for keyboard 14- Received data from keyboard 15 - Transmitted data to keyboard 7 - GND for mouse 5 - Received data from mouse 13 - Transmitted data to mouse There is a plastic box about the size of a cigarette pack that plugs into the db9 printer port and db15 keyboard/mouse/video cable connector and screws into place outside the main chassis. It takes over that db9 and db15 and gives you three DECconnect (MMJ) connectors for terminal ports for the MicroVAX 2000 configuration. It is possible (if you have the connectors lying around) to build cables to break out the serial ports without needing the DEC box. Just use the pinouts described above. Comm Connector (J10) - RS232 with partial modem control This is a standard 25-pin serial port. Tape Port Connector (J13) - single ended SCSI This connector has the standard 50-pin SCSI-1 pinout. Floppy/hard disk cable RD/RX Cable Pinout (J7) 1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15,17,19,21,23,25,27,31,34,37,40,43,46,48,51,54,57,60 - ground 2 - lospeed 4 - rxindex 6 - rxsel0 10 - moron 12 - rxdir 14 - rxstep 16 - rxwd 18 - rxwrgt 20 - rxtk00 22 - wrtprot 24 - rxrdata 26 - rxhsel0 28 - rxrdy 29 - rdhsel3 30 - rdhsel2 32 - rdwrgt 33 - skcompl 35 - rdtk00 36 - wrtfault 38 - rdhsel0 39 - rdhsel1 41 - rdindex 42 - rdrdy 44 - rdstep 45 - rdsel0 47 - rdsel1 49 - rddir 50 - dselack 55 - rd0_wdath 56 - rd0_wdatl 58 - rd0_rdath 59 - rd0_rdatl 8,52,53 - no conn Expansion Disk Data Cable (J9) 2,4,6,8,11,12,15,16,19 - ground 3,5,9,10,20 - no conn 1 - dselack 7 - +5Vdc 13 - rd1_wdath 14 - rd1_wdatl 17 - rd1_rdath 18 - rd1_rdatl MFM Hard disk connectors The other end of the cable must have this pinout: Hard disk 34 pin connector 4 - head select 2 6 - write gate 8 - seek complete 10 - track 0 12 - write fault 14 - head select 0 18 - head select 1 20 - index 22 - ready 24 - step 26 - drive select 1 28 - drive select 2 30 - drive select 3 32 - drive select 4 34 - direction in 1-33 ground (odd numbers) 2,16,30,32 reserved Hard disk 20 pin connector 1 - drive selected 5 - key 13 - +mfm write data 14 - -mfm write data 17 - +mfm read data 18 - -mfm read data 2,4,6,8,10,11,12,15,16,19,20 ground 3,5,7,9 reserved all other pins unused. Floppy drive 24 pin connector 2 - mode select 4 - in use 6 - drive select 3 8 - index 10 - drive select 0 12 - drive select 1 14 - drive select 2 16 - motor on 18 - direction select 20 - step 22 - write data 24 - write gate 26 - track 0 28 - write protect 30 - read data 32 - side 1 select 34 - ready/disk change/open 1-33 ground (odd numbered pins) RD32 jumpers This is where the jumper on the RD32 hard disk should be, jumpered as the third of four drives. The floppy drive should be jumpered as ID0, the first drive. Formatting the hard disk It is very useful to have a VS2000 around, if only to format hard disks with. For a MFM hard disk to work in a MicroVAX it must have a very peculiar format written to it. The VS2000 and the Q-bus RQDX3 controller for the MicroVAX II et al require this format to be present. The VS2000 is the only DEC device that can write this format without expensive hard to get software: the formatter is present in the VS2000 ROM under the TEST 70 command. If the formatting of a disk you are using on a RQDX controller is damaged, you can format the disk in a VS2000 and hook it back up to the RQDX controller, the disk will work like new. Click on this link to read how to format a disk in the VS2000. Thanks Thanks to Dave McGuire (mcguire@digex.net), Rick (rick@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca), Roger Ivie (ivie@cc.usu.edu), Bertram Bach (), whose posts to the NetBSD/VAX mailing list provided much of the above info. Related links More info on the MicroVAX / VAXstation 2000 can be found in the MicroVAX / VAXstation FAQ: * VS2000 specifications * More VS2000 details * The WWW MicroVAX/VAXstation FAQ Other interesting links are: * VS2000 park.se * Johannes Computerliste - DEC * MicroVAX and VAXstation 2000 information. * serial cables * Ctrl-C's VAX computers * Information related to DEC equipment * VAXstation 2000 _________________________________________________________________ [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type APPLICATION/ZIP which had a NAME of VS2K.ZIP] From vcf at siconic.com Thu Aug 28 23:20:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: Tektronix 4207 terminal? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030828012627.0fb7cb14@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > Is anyone familar with this terminal? I have one and I've been using it > for years. I never had a manual for it and it took a while to figure out > how to use it but I did and I thought I understood it. UNTIL today! Today I > turned it off to disconnect a cable, when I turned it back on it said > Factory Cycle Test and started doing all kinds of self tests and video > tests. It endlessly repeats the tests and I can't find a way to stop it! I Maybe the self-test switch is dirty or bad? Perhaps something is going on inside electrically that is abnormal and the terminal has self-diagnosing circuits to know this and it's defaulting into the self-test? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From nico at farumdata.dk Fri Aug 29 00:51:00 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: kennedy 9300 tape drive References: <200308281954.h7SJsevF003304@spies.com> Message-ID: <008f01c36df0$067ade00$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> > Good luck finding a drive capable of reading 2400' 7 track tapes. > It took me several years to find just a 7 track head stack, and it > cost me $500. I have a Pertec 7-track drive, and am still looking for a formatter to convert the 3 edgeconnectors (3 x (2 x 18)) to "modern" 2 x (2x25)) Nico From esharpe at uswest.net Fri Aug 29 01:22:00 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: HP 9825A rescue? References: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD673@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <00d301c36df4$c657b370$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> yes it is worth saving! all hp stuff is neat! ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luc Vande Velde" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 4:36 AM Subject: HP 9825A rescue? > Hi Folks, > > I am not familiar with the old HP calculators. > The local junkyard has a HP 9825A desktop calculator they can't sell > They intend to demolish it next week - is it worth saving it? or is the > world full of it? > It looks complete and has only some minor estetic damage. > > gr. > > Luc Vande Velde > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: cctech-admin@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Fritz Chwolka > Verzonden: donderdag 21 augustus 2003 17:05 > Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Onderwerp: Re: Anyone have copy of old BBS software > > > On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:05:25 -0400, Cini, Richard wrote: > > >Hello, all: > > > > Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC > >platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to do some > file > >transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS > >would be a clean way to do it. > > > > Thanks. > > > >Rich Cini > > Why don't use telemate, procomm or zock and use their internal host > like personal bbs ? > > BBSen even here > > http://www.eunet.bg/simtel.net/msdos/bbs.html > > and here look for telix or telemate > > http://www.vectorbd.com/bfd/telecomm/ > > > > Greetings from > Fritz Chwolka > > > > www.alterechner.de < From esharpe at uswest.net Fri Aug 29 01:23:50 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: kennedy 9300 tape drive References: <200308281954.h7SJsevF003304@spies.com> Message-ID: <00d401c36df4$c6eb8f00$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> out of all the years I owned Computer Exchange Inc. I had only one 7970 hp tape drive that would read 7 track... even the ones that only read 7 track must have been scarce too, or I just never attracted them! Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Kossow" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: Re: kennedy 9300 tape drive > Just like to have a confirmation that it can read 7 and 9 track tapes > > -- > > 7 and 9 track 1/2" tapes have different track spacing, and require > different head stacks for each format. > > the only drive I have ever heard of that was capable of reading both > were specially configured HP 7970's > > Good luck finding a drive capable of reading 2400' 7 track tapes. > It took me several years to find just a 7 track head stack, and it > cost me $500. From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Fri Aug 29 01:43:00 2003 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Peter Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: (OT) ZN448E ADC chip In-Reply-To: Joe "Re: (OT) ZN448E ADC chip" (Aug 27, 21:58) References: <3.0.6.16.20030827215834.0eb72f4e@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <10308290200.ZM24301@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Aug 27, 21:58, Joe wrote: > At 08:21 PM 8/28/03 +0100, you wrote: > >It's over 10 years old, and it's microprocessor-compatible, but it's an > >analogue to digital converter chip, not a computer. It's also not in > >my spares box, and I need one. Does anyone have a spare? Or a data > >sheet? > > Who made it? Ferranti. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Fri Aug 29 01:45:04 2003 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Peter Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: (OT) ZN448E ADC chip In-Reply-To: ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) "Re: (OT) ZN448E ADC chip" (Aug 28, 22:39) References: Message-ID: <10308290219.ZM24321@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Aug 28, 22:39, Tony Duell wrote: > > It's over 10 years old, and it's microprocessor-compatible, but it's an > > analogue to digital converter chip, not a computer. It's also not in > > my spares box, and I need one. Does anyone have a spare? Or a data > > sheet? > > I can't find a chip (although it sounds familiar for some reason), but I > do have a Ferranti data book that covers it. What do you need to know? Pinout, and if possible some timing info (conversion time etc) and what voltage references it needs/has. I thought I had the RS data sheet for it, but it's gone walkabout. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Fri Aug 29 01:46:37 2003 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Peter Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: (OT) ZN448E ADC chip In-Reply-To: John Honniball "Re: (OT) ZN448E ADC chip" (Aug 28, 21:04) References: <10308282021.ZM24023@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> <3F4E603F.9040409@gifford.co.uk> Message-ID: <10308290159.ZM24294@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Aug 28, 21:04, John Honniball wrote: > Peter Turnbull wrote: > > It's over 10 years old, and it's microprocessor-compatible, but it's an > > analogue to digital converter chip, not a computer. It's also not in > > my spares box, and I need one. Does anyone have a spare? Or a data > > sheet? > > I only have a couple of ZN428 chips, and the data sheet for them. I may > have data for the ZN448 -- I'll have a look. It was a Ferranti part, > if that helps at all. I know it's Ferranti. Unfortunately a ZN428E is the opposite -- a DAC. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From luc at e2t.be Fri Aug 29 02:45:00 2003 From: luc at e2t.be (Luc Vande Velde) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: 7 track tape drives In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720E785C@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD67B@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> As heard from previous messages the TU10 would be capable of reading 7 & 9 track tapes. I have a few TU10's available if someone is interested - they are complete but might have some mechanical defects (especially those vacuum switches fail often) - I haven't an idea what kind of controller they need, but I probably have him somewhere (I bought this units some 25 years ago together with a few 11/40's - racks of core memory and a few RP03 drives) Luc -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Al Kossow Verzonden: vrijdag 29 augustus 2003 0:41 Aan: classiccmp@classiccmp.org Onderwerp: Re: 7 track tape drives So anybody out here knows of any 7 track drives which are still easy (?) to get and have some kind of "usual" interfaces ? From Innfogra at aol.com Fri Aug 29 02:56:00 2003 From: Innfogra at aol.com (Innfogra@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: Tektronix 4207 terminal? Message-ID: <1d3.1016bf6d.2c805f43@aol.com> I have the manual somewhere but not easy to find. Try turning it on while holding the reset button down until the lights flash on the keyboard then press and release self test then let up reset. IIRC it is something like that. I am on the road at the moment but will look for the manual when I return to Astoria. Paxton Astoria, OR From Innfogra at aol.com Fri Aug 29 03:09:00 2003 From: Innfogra at aol.com (Innfogra@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers Message-ID: <158.23b86d10.2c806261@aol.com> > With the Ronco Home Wafer Fab Line? > > I passed on a three inch Mask Aligner once, went for $25 at the Oregon State University Auction. Was in perfect shape and locked down. I bought the 4 inch Mask Aligner for $150 and resold it on the used market. There was still demand for it. It is possible to have your own production line. I have not seen many wafers in surplus stores. Wacky Willy in PDX had some original Wacker test wafers many years ago but none recently. I bought about 80 test wafers from Gene Amdahl's Trilogy project which I have been parting out on eBay and privately. Paxton Astoria, OR From philpem at dsl.pipex.com Fri Aug 29 03:29:00 2003 From: philpem at dsl.pipex.com (Philip Pemberton) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: HP 9825A rescue? In-Reply-To: <00d301c36df4$c657b370$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> References: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD673@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> <00d301c36df4$c657b370$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> Message-ID: <001f7a294c.philpem@dsl.pipex.com> In message <00d301c36df4$c657b370$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> "ed sharpe" wrote: > all hp stuff is neat! You've got to be joking. Even the throwaway Deskjets? Later. -- Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, 6GB, philpem@dsl.pipex.com | ViewFinder, Ethernet (Acorn AEH62), http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 8xCD, framegrabber, Teletext Acme Dynamite. Guaranteed to fail unsafe. From luc at e2t.be Fri Aug 29 03:45:00 2003 From: luc at e2t.be (Luc Vande Velde) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: HP 9825A rescue? In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720E787D@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD67D@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> I am just back from the junkyard I've got the HP 9825A and they added a HP 9826 too - all on take them, test them and let me know if you want them... conditions I'll have to scan the internet for this 9826 machine now - is this a calculator or already a small computer? Display looks larger and it has a 5 1/4" floppy drive build in Luc From vcf at siconic.com Fri Aug 29 05:24:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: HP 9825A rescue? In-Reply-To: <001f7a294c.philpem@dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Philip Pemberton wrote: > In message <00d301c36df4$c657b370$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> > "ed sharpe" wrote: > > > all hp stuff is neat! > You've got to be joking. Even the throwaway Deskjets? The only thing that keeps this horrid HP LaserJet 5L that has frustrated me relentlessly from being obliterated with a sledgehammer is my inability to do any harm to electronic equipment. I think I'll make an exception in this case though. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From luc at e2t.be Fri Aug 29 06:45:00 2003 From: luc at e2t.be (Luc Vande Velde) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: HP 9825A rescue? In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720E781E@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD681@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> I have the beast om my desk here: The 9825A has option 002 installed (23228bytes op mem) and has 2 modules in its option slots a 98216A module and a 98210 module It powers up and seems to do the basic calculations (1+1=2) :))) On the back is a sticker: Part of 5046A system (never heard of) there are also 3 expansion module like bays in the back - all of them empty ----------- The 9826 unit that came with it powers also up but seems to ask for a disk This unit looks like disk os based - is there anything more to find about it? Luc -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Joe Verzonden: woensdag 27 augustus 2003 12:50 Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org Onderwerp: Re: HP 9825A rescue? At 01:36 PM 8/28/03 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I am not familiar with the old HP calculators. >The local junkyard has a HP 9825A desktop calculator they can't sell >They intend to demolish it next week - is it worth saving it? or is the >world full of it? Why can't they sell it? >- is it worth saving it? Yes but it sounds like you don't have any choice. >or is the >world full of it? They're relatively common in this area but I'm close to several large military contractors and Kennedy Space Center and they use a lot of them. But they are neat machines and seem to run forever. It's probably one of the best machines that HP ever built IMO. They run a OS/language called HPL. It's a cross between APL and BASIC. Lots more details on my website at . What model is it? Open the paper cover and see what options it has. Joe >It looks complete and has only some minor estetic damage. > >gr. > >Luc Vande Velde > > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: cctech-admin@classiccmp.org >[mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Fritz Chwolka >Verzonden: donderdag 21 augustus 2003 17:05 >Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org >Onderwerp: Re: Anyone have copy of old BBS software > > >On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:05:25 -0400, Cini, Richard wrote: > >>Hello, all: >> >> Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC >>platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to do some >file >>transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS >>would be a clean way to do it. >> >> Thanks. >> >>Rich Cini > >Why don't use telemate, procomm or zock and use their internal host >like personal bbs ? > >BBSen even here > >http://www.eunet.bg/simtel.net/msdos/bbs.html > >and here look for telix or telemate > >http://www.vectorbd.com/bfd/telecomm/ > > > >Greetings from >Fritz Chwolka > > >> www.alterechner.de < From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Fri Aug 29 08:16:00 2003 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:32 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? Message-ID: <030829084700.9f81@splab.cas.neu.edu> Is it a MicroVAX 2000 or a VaxStation 2000? If it is a VS2000 I have the manual for that, but not the MicroVAX 2000. The last post mentioned a VS2000. That got me wondering which it is. The VS2000 expects a video monitor, but the printer port defaults to 4800 baud. Well, I just read more in the VAXstation 2000/MicroVAX 2000 hardware guide. It says" "Because the operator console is a very important tool in diagnosing system hardware failures, the VAXstation 2000/MicroVAX 2000 provides for an alternate console terminal in case the first one is not working. On a VAXstation 2000 or MicroVAX 2000, you may attach a terminal to the printer using a BCC08 cable (see Figure 1-1). On a MicroVAX 2000 you must remove the DEC423 converter before connecting the BCC08 cable. If this terminal is connected when the system is first powered on, it becomes the "diagnostic" console terminal, and the primary console terminal is disabled for further use as a console. the pinout for the 9 pin printer connector, J3, is as follows: 1 chassis ground 2 xmt data 3 printer rcv data 4 n/c 5 +12vdc 6 n/c 7 chassis ground 8 ground 9 FER_ENA without looking at the bcc08, i would bet that FER_ENA gets tied either to +12 or ground to enable the port as a console. Well, a google search shows that pin 8 and 9 get shorted for the BCC08, and 4 is RTS, 5 is DTR 6 is DSR and 7 is signal ground. hope that helps http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_019.html is the website for that info Joe HEck From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Fri Aug 29 08:16:42 2003 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: 7 track tape drives Message-ID: <030829090655.9f81@splab.cas.neu.edu> I also have been meaning to resurrect my 7 track drives and an 800 bpi 9 track, for the purpose of reading a couple of dozen useless tapes. I have at least 12 drives, from 7 track up to 9 track 6250 bpi, a couple of dilog and emulex qbus tape controllers, and two or three external formatters (for the older drives) I have some manuals from datum, pertec, kennedy, digi and maybe others, BUT I just don't have the time or inclination to start putting these together. A cooperative venture maybe? Joe Heck From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Fri Aug 29 08:16:53 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: Attache Disks In-Reply-To: <20030828175637.Y24988@newshell.lmi.net> References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20030828013816.0eb7fb18@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 05:58 PM 8/28/03 -0700, you wrote: >On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Don Maslin wrote: >> > It uses standard 3 1/2" floppies (I think 720K, >> > again I'll have to post when I check it out). >> That is unusual. If this is the original Attache', >> the normal drive is a 5.25" 48tpi 2/3 high. > >There was also a 720K 5.25" 96TPI (80 track per side) option. Do you know what you have to do to use the 96TPI drives in the Attache? Joe From rogersda at cox.net Fri Aug 29 08:26:00 2003 From: rogersda at cox.net (rogersda@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? Message-ID: <20030829131801.QTNZ28174.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Zane H. Healy wrote: > > Perhaps is a problem of the cable and terminal you are using. > > I have one DEC cable with MMJ connector, and use one VT-102 > > or one Compaq Portable with Kermit using VT-102 emulation to connect > > with the Microvax 2000. > > > > Just curious... Do you have in the back of the Microvax one Box with > > three MMJ connectors ? This is neccesary to connect with one Serial > > Terminal (someone correct me if this is a mistake) Depending on the specific model, the "console" port is either serial 1 or serial 3. Umm, wait - VAX 2000? - you aren't talking about the "lunchbox" VAX are you, perchance?" > You just made me remember something. Joe, dig up the OpenVMS FAQ. If > you're trying to connect via the 9-pin (or is it 25-pin) serial connection > you'll probably have to make a special cable to connect, the pinout on the > KA630 class systems is a bit odd as I recall. There is a MMJ adapter, but > they're pretty rare. Not rare at all. The H8571-J MMJ to DB9 adapter is still an orderable part. The "new" versions aren't as sturdy, though - as they are "clamshell" construction, rather than molded. If you make up your own "DECconnect" cable, be absolutely certain that you put the locking tabs to the same side of the cable (I always put them to the "rib" side). The signal lines are .not. symmetrical, so flipping one connector doesn't make it a "null-modem" cable - it makes it utterly useless. Dale From Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com Fri Aug 29 08:26:13 2003 From: Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com (Feldman, Robert) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: Osborne 1 monitor questions Message-ID: Dave, What looks like the Osborne 1 video adaptor is available from Alltronics (TTL-Composite video adaptor #92C024, $4.95) http://www.alltronics.com/computer_miscellaneous.htm It plugs on the edge connector on the front panel, in place of the shunt that is normally there. I believe that the only voltage supply for the monitor comes from P9 by way of P5, the edge connector on the front panel. I once had a 9" Panasonic open frame monitor that I used with my O1. I just wired it to a female edge connector socket that I used in place of the shunt. I also added a 100K pot for brightness control. Bob -----Original Message----- From: ghldbrd@ccp.com [mailto:ghldbrd@ccp.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:15 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Osborne 1 monitor questions -----Original Message----- From: Dave [mailto:dfnr2@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:03 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Osborne 1 monitor questions > Hello, > > Thanks to the help of several of you, I have, after > reparing the power supply, been able to verify that > the CPU is running, and using the .PDF service manual, > am able to get a signal on the video pin (8) after > replacing the contrast pot. However, the monitor > still produces no output. I have a couple of > questions: > > 2) What's the simplest way to use an external monitor > for testing? Wasn't there some sort of video adapter that plugged in where the jumper was on the front panel.. ISTR it was a standard b/w NTSC monitor. One of the surplus electronics places in CA was selling said item for about $4 or so. > > 3) Does the monitor use the +12V line on the connector > from the CPU board for all its power, including the HV > converter? I'd have to check the schematic, but it sounds logical (sorry Spock!) > > > Thanks, > > David. > Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO From dwoyciesjes at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 08:28:00 2003 From: dwoyciesjes at comcast.net (David Woyciesjes) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: Alpha PC64 hardware question... Message-ID: <3F4F51BD.7D59AF89@comcast.net> This system may not be 10 years old, but hopefully someone can answer this for me anyway... Quick one here. I have one of those EB64/PC64 motherboards, but only a 200MHz CPU for it. Problem is, the board is set up for a 266MHz CPU. Has anybody overclocked a 200MHz CPU to 266 in one of these? With appropriate fans for good cooling, of course. Also, these boards can run off of a regular AT style power supply, correct? -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 From rogersda at cox.net Fri Aug 29 08:30:00 2003 From: rogersda at cox.net (rogersda@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? Message-ID: <20030829132235.NJKE1408.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Doc wrote: > I had a couple of VS2000 (Same box, with graohics) and routinely used > a nearly-standard PC-type RS-232 null modem cable. You have to short > two pins at the VAX side, but I do not remember which two. I found the > pinouts in some FAQ or other online. Since DEC used a "3 wire" subset of RS-232, DTR had to be locked "on". Dale From Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com Fri Aug 29 08:33:00 2003 From: Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com (Feldman, Robert) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: Attache Disks Message-ID: I can also make Otrona disks. I have CP/M (including source files for the BIOS and such programs as FORMAT) and MS-DOS 2.11H, that last (post bankruptcy) version. IIRC, it has hard disk support. I also have some issues of the FAUG (First Attache Users Group) newsletter and some FAUG programs on another disk. Disks are 5.25", DS-DD. Bob -----Original Message----- From: jim stephens [mailto:jwstephens_2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:27 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Attache Disks I have dredged up my Atrona system and will try to make some floppy copies for interested parties soon. I belive I have floppies to boot both the 8 bit processor, and the 16 bit service processor into MS/Dos 2.x (2.1 maybe). I'll post again when I get the system tested and running. It uses standard 3 1/2" floppies (I think 720K, again I'll have to post when I check it out). Jim From rogersda at cox.net Fri Aug 29 08:35:00 2003 From: rogersda at cox.net (rogersda@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? Message-ID: <20030829132705.NTIM4315.fed1mtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> > > What baud rate, parity, data bits do you use for these and do you need to > 9600/8/n/1, no modem control Ummm, DEC serial protocol (other than 20ma) uses "Xon-Xoff" flow control. Anything else will get you buffer overflow. Dale From nico at farumdata.dk Fri Aug 29 08:43:00 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: Mature technology, was Re: 7 track tape drives References: <030829090655.9f81@splab.cas.neu.edu> Message-ID: <001201c36e32$0e323f20$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> From: To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:06 PM Subject: RE: 7 track tape drives > I also have been meaning to resurrect my 7 track drives and an 800 > bpi 9 track, for the purpose of reading a couple of dozen useless tapes. > > I have at least 12 drives, from 7 track up to 9 track 6250 bpi, a couple > of dilog and emulex qbus tape controllers, and two or three external > formatters (for the older drives) I have some manuals from datum, pertec, > kennedy, digi and maybe others, BUT I just don't have the time or > inclination to start putting these together. > > A cooperative venture maybe? > > Joe Heck I would be happy to participate. I occasionally get request for converting 7-track tapes (conversion gives me my daily bread), so if we can get something up and running, I could bill the sh... out of rich customers. About 10 years ago, there was a company really needing the data from some geophysical tape. It cost them about 50.000 DKK (8-9.000 USD today), as the recoverer had to buy a new 9 track drive and modify it to 7 track. That is the drive I have today, for free. So I have an almost new drive, but the formatter has disappeared somehow somewhere. I also have the manual for the drive, a genuine Pertec. Rumour has it that Al Kossow has managed to do without the formatter, but I have no further information. One thing should be considered however : freight costs. I live in Denmark, so shipping tape drives back and forth across the pond would be rather costly, to say the least Maybe a European and a US activity in parallel ? Nico From Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com Fri Aug 29 08:46:00 2003 From: Robert_Feldman at jdedwards.com (Feldman, Robert) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: DEC colors Message-ID: What would be more useful than the color names (which can be used for different RGB colors) would be the Pantone or Munsel numbers. The DEC logos were trademarks. Does anyone know if the exact colors need to be specified when a trademark is registered? If so, then this information might be available from the federal trademark registry. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence LeMay [mailto:lemay@mail.cs.umn.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:17 AM To: cctech@classiccmp.org Cc: classiccmp@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: DEC colors Standard 8/e is of course Amber and Terra Cotta. I've seen 8/F and 8/L in that color scheme, as well as Orange and Terra Cotta for the 8/M. Less standard color schemes for which i do not know the official color names are the Industrial-8 colors (red and dark-blue), and another 8/e in light-blue and dark-blue. -Lawrence LeMay > The standard pdp/11 front panel colors are magenta and wild rose. > >From memory the 8/e front panel is mustard and burnt orange > > Each DEC computer family in the 60's / early 70's had their own > color. The LINC/PDP-12 was light and dark green, the 9 was a different > shade of orange than the 8/e, and the 15's were light and dark blue, > which was different from the PDP-10 blue. From nico at farumdata.dk Fri Aug 29 08:52:00 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: Conversion problems References: <200308282240.h7SMeVDm026089@spies.com> Message-ID: <003301c36e33$3825e1a0$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> I regularly notice, that people want to convert some old media, if for nothing else then just be able to read them in a few years. I normally have some time on my hand, between jobs (horrible customers), so I can offer my services to those who need them, within reason. This offer is only valid for, lets call them hobbyists. For commercial conversions, normal rates will apply. As long as you guys reimburse my direct costs (postage, free beer while doing your job :-) ) I am satisfied. Take a look at www.farumdata.dk/enserv.htm on what I can do. This is not an improper ad; I am very aware of the fact that if nothing is done, much of the IT history will disappear. Many collect hardware of different kinds, but the same is not the case for software. Nico -- It has been noticed, that hackers and other lowlifes use my e-mail address as a hiding place. I regret the inconvenience these pirates give you From rogersda at cox.net Fri Aug 29 09:00:00 2003 From: rogersda at cox.net (rogersda@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: DEC colors Message-ID: <20030829135202.HVCK21752.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Robert wrote: > What would be more useful than the color names (which can be used for different RGB colors) would be the Pantone or Munsel numbers. The DEC logos were trademarks. Does anyone know if the exact colors need to be specified when a trademark is registered? If so, then this information might be available from the federal trademark registry. > I do remember seeing such a specification, for the "company" logo color, anyway (the light "baby" blue). I may have even saved it - I just don't know where. I just searched my on-line disks and got no hits. I suspect that the only color you'll find in the trademark registry is Bob Palmer's "dried blood" burgundy. Dale From rogersda at cox.net Fri Aug 29 09:03:00 2003 From: rogersda at cox.net (rogersda@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: DEC logo (was: DEC colors) Message-ID: <20030829135555.QYYZ28174.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> BTW: Does anyone here happen to have a vector-graphic file of the digital logo? In any color? Dale From aek at spies.com Fri Aug 29 09:27:01 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: 7 track tape drives Message-ID: <200308291419.h7TEJN96010131@spies.com> As heard from previous messages the TU10 would be capable of reading 7 & 9 track tapes. -- A TU10 transport WITH A 7 TRACK HEAD can read a 7 track tape. Good luck finding one. For a PDP11, the interface was a TM11. There were master and slave TU10 transports. The parity and lrcc circuitry only exists in the first (master) transport. The interface between the drives is DEC's old 'negative' logic. From spedraja at ono.com Fri Aug 29 09:29:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: DEC logo (was: DEC colors) References: <20030829135555.QYYZ28174.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <010101c36e38$51ae30a0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> I should need something similar but for the PDP-11 logos of all the models. I am doing one Java Front Panel simulator, and even when I can manage the Blinken Lights simulation is more useful to reproduce the logos from image files. Cheers Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:55 PM Subject: Re: DEC logo (was: DEC colors) > BTW: Does anyone here happen to have a vector-graphic file of the digital logo? In any color? > > Dale From aek at spies.com Fri Aug 29 09:44:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: Mature technology, was Re: 7 track tape drives Message-ID: <200308291436.h7TEan0T011603@spies.com> Rumour has it that Al Kossow has managed to do without the formatter, but I have no further information. -- The current state of the project is a friend of mine fabricated a shim for me to mount a Cipher 7 track head on a Qualstar 1052 transport. I haven't said much about what I'm doing because I wanted to buy enough cheap 1052's on eBay for experimentation (I have about 10 of them now) The 1052 is a VERY simple transport. I have the docs for it so I can hack the firmware to just start the tape moving at a constant rate, ignoring BOT, EOT, etc. I have a PC done with a bank of Analog Devices 10 bit A/D's and a FIFO which will feed into my PCI macintosh though a bus mastering PCI ATA controller. Until I get that working I'm going to use a couple of VMIVME 3115 A/D converter cards attached through a PCI-VME converter for data capture. The goal is to get something put together that is small enough to be able to be transportable so that I can take the setup to where the tapes are, rather than risk having them lost in shipment. From mtapley at swri.edu Fri Aug 29 09:56:00 2003 From: mtapley at swri.edu (Mark Tapley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: Dec Flag on eBay (Relevant to DEC Colors) In-Reply-To: <003301c36e33$3825e1a0$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> References: <200308282240.h7SMeVDm026089@spies.com> <003301c36e33$3825e1a0$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> Message-ID: All, No connection with the below. But relevant to the DEC colors discussion, there is on eBay a 4x8 foot flag with the |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo on it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=2748938239&category=1247 spotted this on comp.sys.dec.micro. FWIW. ($51.01, reserve not met, BIN = $175 is what it appears to be worth as of 0935 CDT). -- - Mark 210-522-6025, page 888-733-0967 From uban at ubanproductions.com Fri Aug 29 09:59:00 2003 From: uban at ubanproductions.com (Tom Uban) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: DEC logo (was: DEC colors) In-Reply-To: <20030829135555.QYYZ28174.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox. net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030829094435.04a5f440@mail.ubanproductions.com> I don't have a vector file, but I do have some files which people might find interesting. I have a scan of an 11/70 rack header panel which has been retouched in Adobe Photoshop: http://www.ubanproductions.com/panel1170b.jpg (97405 bytes) I also have two Adobe Illustrator files of a re-created 11/70 rack header panel which I made based on the original scan. The first of the two Illustrator files includes the very large original scan, so if you don't want that, please don't download it. The second file only contains the Illustrator version of the panel. I think that this reproduced image is very good and could be used to reproduce a graphic for these panels: http://www.ubanproductions.com/panel1170b.ai (4596764 bytes) http://www.ubanproductions.com/panel1170.ai (169499 bytes) Enjoy! --tom At 09:55 AM 8/29/2003 -0400, rogersda@cox.net wrote: >BTW: Does anyone here happen to have a vector-graphic file of the digital >logo? In any color? > >Dale From allain at panix.com Fri Aug 29 10:55:00 2003 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? References: <018a01c36db1$c1c8b0e0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> <3.0.6.16.20030828011609.0fb7e5bc@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <005901c36e44$9449c580$21fe54a6@ibm23xhr06> > The H8571-J MMJ to DB9 adapter... Not that one. The H8571-J mentioned earlier is for the PC-AT standard DE9 that Dec begrudgingly accepted later and not for early Dec VAX like the mV2000 and the mV-II. Here is a DEC pn to search for the MMJ adaptor for Dec's wiring I'd rate 'pretty rare' as worth about $15... H8571-B At any rate, wiring your own DE headshell cable is reccomended activity for all people on the list, it's not hard and it's personally gratifying . John A. From doc at mdrconsult.com Fri Aug 29 11:12:00 2003 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? In-Reply-To: <005901c36e44$9449c580$21fe54a6@ibm23xhr06> References: <018a01c36db1$c1c8b0e0$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> <3.0.6.16.20030828011609.0fb7e5bc@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <005901c36e44$9449c580$21fe54a6@ibm23xhr06> Message-ID: <3F4F798D.1000807@mdrconsult.com> John Allain wrote: >>The H8571-J MMJ to DB9 adapter... > > > Not that one. > The H8571-J mentioned earlier is for the PC-AT standard DE9 > that Dec begrudgingly accepted later and not for early Dec VAX > like the mV2000 and the mV-II. > > Here is a DEC pn to search for the MMJ adaptor for Dec's wiring > I'd rate 'pretty rare' as worth about $15... H8571-B > > At any rate, wiring your own DE headshell cable is reccomended > activity for all people on the list, it's not hard and it's personally > gratifying . Amen. Doc From jwest at classiccmp.org Fri Aug 29 12:29:00 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: EBAY fraud alert Message-ID: <00ee01c36e51$f718a660$033310ac@kwcorp.com> I recently got an email from the "Ebay security audit team" or something to that affect. Says they periodically verify contact information, and couldn't verify mine, asking me to follow a link to update my account or it would be disabled in 5 days. I followed the link, noticed it wasn't in secure mode, and wondered why EBAY would need my bank account number, routing/ABA numbers, not to mention SSN and home address and credit card numbers, etc. The form asked for everything imaginable. Yikes! Upon getting suspicious I checked the headers and html links in the message - needless to say - NOT ebay. Watch out for this one! I did report it to the spoof team at Ebay. Jay West From kth at srv.net Fri Aug 29 12:35:00 2003 From: kth at srv.net (Kevin Handy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? In-Reply-To: <200308282231.h7SMVW3t028666@onyx.spiritone.com> References: <200308282231.h7SMVW3t028666@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <3F4F97C9.5030202@srv.net> Zane H. Healy wrote: >>Perhaps is a problem of the cable and terminal you are using. >>I have one DEC cable with MMJ connector, and use one VT-102 >>or one Compaq Portable with Kermit using VT-102 emulation to connect >>with the Microvax 2000. >> >>Just curious... Do you have in the back of the Microvax one Box with >>three MMJ connectors ? This is neccesary to connect with one Serial >>Terminal (someone correct me if this is a mistake) >> >> > >You just made me remember something. Joe, dig up the OpenVMS FAQ. If >you're trying to connect via the 9-pin (or is it 25-pin) serial connection >you'll probably have to make a special cable to connect, the pinout on the >KA630 class systems is a bit odd as I recall. There is a MMJ adapter, but >they're pretty rare. > > The ||PPP sounds like a bad ground connection to me. If he is trying to use a 9 pin port using the commonly available 9-pin cables that a PC uses, it isn't going to work. DEC designed their 9-pin connector before IBM came out with an incompatible version, and the IBM version became the standard one. If you are using a MMJ cable, check the wiring. The two center wires are ground, and the two bracketing those are the transmit and receive. The two bracketing those are for flow control, and aren't really needed if you use xon/xoff. If you need the pinout, it's in the VT220 manual, among others. If you can't find it, let me know and I'll look it up. From nico at farumdata.dk Fri Aug 29 12:35:30 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: Mature technology, was Re: 7 track tape drives References: <200308291436.h7TEan0T011603@spies.com> Message-ID: <003201c36e52$7cd1be40$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> From: "Al Kossow" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Mature technology, was Re: 7 track tape drives > Rumour has it that Al Kossow has managed to do without the formatter, but I have no further information. > > -- > > The current state of the project is a friend of mine fabricated a shim for me to mount > a Cipher 7 track head on a Qualstar 1052 transport. I haven't said much about what I'm > doing because I wanted to buy enough cheap 1052's on eBay for experimentation (I have > about 10 of them now) Being the qualstra distributor for Denmark, I have at least 2 "decommissioned" 1052's. I also have 2 new read formatters. Nico From emu at ecubics.com Fri Aug 29 12:39:00 2003 From: emu at ecubics.com (emanuel stiebler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: 7 track tape drives In-Reply-To: <030829090655.9f81@splab.cas.neu.edu> References: <030829090655.9f81@splab.cas.neu.edu> Message-ID: <3F4F8FEF.8090002@ecubics.com> TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu wrote: > I also have been meaning to resurrect my 7 track drives drives ? how many and which models do you have ? Mind to share your luck ? > and an 800 > bpi 9 track, for the purpose of reading a couple of dozen useless tapes. I'm fine with 9-track here, and most of them are working. Actually, I use the 6250 quite often. > I have at least 12 drives, from 7 track up to 9 track 6250 bpi, a couple > of dilog and emulex qbus tape controllers, and two or three external > formatters (for the older drives) I have some manuals from datum, pertec, > kennedy, digi and maybe others, BUT I just don't have the time or > inclination to start putting these together. Probably you can tell which manuals you have ? > A cooperative venture maybe? Sure ;-) cheers From kth at srv.net Fri Aug 29 12:41:00 2003 From: kth at srv.net (Kevin Handy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? In-Reply-To: <20030829000055.BF1567F83@dittman.net> References: <20030829000055.BF1567F83@dittman.net> Message-ID: <3F4F9923.7030408@srv.net> Eric Dittman wrote: >> I had a couple of VS2000 (Same box, with graohics) and routinely used >>a nearly-standard PC-type RS-232 null modem cable. You have to short >>two pins at the VAX side, but I do not remember which two. I found the >>pinouts in some FAQ or other online. >> >> > >The OpenVMS FAQ has the pinouts, IIRC. > > > >> Also, remember that on all the desktop VAXen I've run, the *printer* >>port is the console. Zane, Eric, is that absolute or no? >> >> > >That actually depends on the system. > > I've used several 3100-10's (same model number), and the console port seems to be randomally determined. I think I've found it on all three MMJ ports (not at the same time). From nico at farumdata.dk Fri Aug 29 12:53:01 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: 7 track tape drives References: <030829090655.9f81@splab.cas.neu.edu> <3F4F8FEF.8090002@ecubics.com> Message-ID: <00be01c36e54$e9febd40$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> From: "emanuel stiebler" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: Re: 7 track tape drives > > I'm fine with 9-track here, and most of them are working. > Actually, I use the 6250 quite often. > I am the happy owner of 2 or 3 Qualstar 1052s, 2 Qualstar 3412S (800, 1600, 3200, 6250 bpi) and 1 M4 9914 (all 4 densities) Documentation available for both Qualstar types (even a 701, I believe), and Pertec 6X40 / 6X60 Nico From nico at farumdata.dk Fri Aug 29 12:53:19 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: EBAY fraud alert References: <00ee01c36e51$f718a660$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c36e54$e9e4cca0$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> > I recently got an email from the "Ebay security audit team" or something to > that affect. Says they periodically verify contact information, and couldn't > verify mine, asking me to follow a link to update my account or it would be > disabled in 5 days. I reported the same thing to eBay about 2 months ago. Whats worse, about a week ago I got the same thing from PayPal ! So, take care, and NEVER give your accountnumber away, or follow those links Nico From vcf at siconic.com Fri Aug 29 12:54:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: DEC Computer Labs on eBay Message-ID: If you ever wanted a DEC Computer Lab then now's your chance. There are 7 of these being offered on eBay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3044043907&category=294 Check the seller's other auctions for links to the other ads. They all have opening bids of $29.95. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From jwest at classiccmp.org Fri Aug 29 12:58:00 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: 7 track tape drives References: <030829090655.9f81@splab.cas.neu.edu> <3F4F8FEF.8090002@ecubics.com> <00be01c36e54$e9febd40$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> Message-ID: <003401c36e56$18601a20$033310ac@kwcorp.com> I have complete docs on the M4, including schematics. I *THINK* I loaned them to Al Kossow to scan, not positive. Jay West ----- Original Message ----- From: Nico de Jong To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: Re: 7 track tape drives From: "emanuel stiebler" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: Re: 7 track tape drives > > I'm fine with 9-track here, and most of them are working. > Actually, I use the 6250 quite often. > I am the happy owner of 2 or 3 Qualstar 1052s, 2 Qualstar 3412S (800, 1600, 3200, 6250 bpi) and 1 M4 9914 (all 4 densities) Documentation available for both Qualstar types (even a 701, I believe), and Pertec 6X40 / 6X60 Nico From tothwolf at concentric.net Fri Aug 29 13:13:00 2003 From: tothwolf at concentric.net (Tothwolf) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers In-Reply-To: <200308282357.27587.jcwren@jcwren.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030828174826.031799e8@pc> <200308282357.27587.jcwren@jcwren.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, J.C. Wren wrote: > On Thursday 28 August 2003 23:48 pm, Tothwolf wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, John Foust wrote: > > > At 05:31 PM 8/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > > 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2552753957 > > > > > > Are these commonly available at Bay area surplus shops? > > > I've got some old 3 inch wafers, but I'd like some big ones, too. > > > > Those also appear to be 3" wafers. I was a little shocked to see how > > the seller handled them, as even a tiny scratch or fingerprint is > > going to cause problems if someone is going to etch one. > > With the Ronco Home Wafer Fab Line? Most of the equipment is readily available on the surplus market. I've come across many of the machines used for fab work at liquidation and foreclosure auctions of fab and prototype/design companies. Generally they seem to sell for under $100-150, though a couple went as high as $300-500. The hardest part of doing home-fab work would probably be building some type of clean room. Folks have been rebuilding tubes at home for quite some time now, and it seems like it won't be too long before you see the same thing with some of the more simple semiconductors. -Toth From arcarlini at iee.org Fri Aug 29 13:17:00 2003 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? In-Reply-To: <030829084700.9f81@splab.cas.neu.edu> Message-ID: <000001c36e58$adeeed80$5b01a8c0@athlon> > Is it a MicroVAX 2000 or a VaxStation 2000? If it is a > VS2000 I have the manual for that, but not the MicroVAX 2000. > The last post mentioned a VS2000. That got me wondering > which it is. The VS2000 expects a video monitor, but the > printer port defaults to 4800 baud. The VS2000 and UV2000 are the same machine - the technical manual is available on the net (check in http://vt100.net/manx). As others have said, the OpenVMS FAQ will tell you the details of how to connect to the console if you don't have the converter box. Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From coredump at gifford.co.uk Fri Aug 29 13:29:01 2003 From: coredump at gifford.co.uk (John Honniball) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: (OT) ZN448E ADC chip In-Reply-To: <10308290159.ZM24294@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> References: <10308282021.ZM24023@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> <3F4E603F.9040409@gifford.co.uk> <10308290159.ZM24294@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> Message-ID: <3F4F99D9.1090408@gifford.co.uk> Peter Turnbull wrote: > I know it's Ferranti. Unfortunately a ZN428E is the opposite -- a DAC. Darn, you're right! I was getting confused by the numbering scheme, there. I have the Ferranti Data Converter Kit, which covers the earlier generation (ZN425, ZN427, ZN428). -- John Honniball coredump@gifford.co.uk From teoz at neo.rr.com Fri Aug 29 14:05:00 2003 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (TeoZ) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030828174826.031799e8@pc> <200308282357.27587.jcwren@jcwren.com> Message-ID: <002401c36e5f$24b81c60$347ca418@neo.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tothwolf" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: Re: 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, J.C. Wren wrote: > > On Thursday 28 August 2003 23:48 pm, Tothwolf wrote: > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, John Foust wrote: > > > > At 05:31 PM 8/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > 1 Lot of 25 3' inch polished Silicon Wafers > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2552753957 > > > > > > > > Are these commonly available at Bay area surplus shops? > > > > I've got some old 3 inch wafers, but I'd like some big ones, too. > > > > > > Those also appear to be 3" wafers. I was a little shocked to see how > > > the seller handled them, as even a tiny scratch or fingerprint is > > > going to cause problems if someone is going to etch one. > > > > With the Ronco Home Wafer Fab Line? > > Most of the equipment is readily available on the surplus market. I've > come across many of the machines used for fab work at liquidation and > foreclosure auctions of fab and prototype/design companies. Generally they > seem to sell for under $100-150, though a couple went as high as $300-500. > The hardest part of doing home-fab work would probably be building some > type of clean room. > > Folks have been rebuilding tubes at home for quite some time now, and it > seems like it won't be too long before you see the same thing with some of > the more simple semiconductors. > > -Toth Putting together a manual 3" wafer line probably would not be that expensive IF you knew what you were doing, purchased everything at auction, bribed the local authorities to let you keep the chemicals in your area, and had the major power needed to run everything with. Clean rooms can be built cheaply if it just a small area. Difusion ovens are kind of harder to do. Ultra pure deionized water can be done but pricy for consumables. Laying down the mask properly would be fun. This all assumes your just making 80's era chips. The funny thing is its 1000% safer and probably cheaper to design a chip and have somebody build them for you. This also assumes you have a design that conforms with what the equipment cant do, and are knowledgable enough to keep the equipment running and have the spare parts LOL. From healyzh at aracnet.com Fri Aug 29 14:08:00 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: DEC Computer Labs on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >If you ever wanted a DEC Computer Lab then now's your chance. There are 7 >of these being offered on eBay right now: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3044043907&category=294 > >Check the seller's other auctions for links to the other ads. They all >have opening bids of $29.95. Trust me, no one wants to bid on these ;^) FYI, the seller also has Fabri-Tek Logi-Tran 4 Logic Circuit Trainer's which is what everyone wants!!! ;^) Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From healyzh at aracnet.com Fri Aug 29 14:12:00 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: EBAY fraud alert In-Reply-To: <00bd01c36e54$e9e4cca0$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> References: <00ee01c36e51$f718a660$033310ac@kwcorp.com> <00bd01c36e54$e9e4cca0$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> Message-ID: > > I recently got an email from the "Ebay security audit team" or something to >> that affect. Says they periodically verify contact information, and couldn't >> verify mine, asking me to follow a link to update my account or it would be >> disabled in 5 days. > >I reported the same thing to eBay about 2 months ago. Whats worse, about a week ago I got the same thing from PayPal ! > >So, take care, and NEVER give your accountnumber away, or follow those links The scum have been doing this for months. The eBay ones are the most common, I've lost track of how many I've gotten. The PayPal ones so far are far less common, I've only gotten one or two of them. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From bob_lafleur at technologist.com Fri Aug 29 14:41:00 2003 From: bob_lafleur at technologist.com (Bob Lafleur) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: EBAY fraud alert In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c36e64$90fb9e60$023ca8c0@blafleur> I've seen similar things now "from" other organizations, such as banks. (ones I don't even have accounts for, but the messages are just mass E-mailed, hoping they'll hit some targets). It's really too bad this has happened to E-mail. Almost every message now has to be treated as "guilty until proven innocent". Sometimes I think it's time to throw in the towel on E-mail as a form of communication. Oh well. - Bob -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:05 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: EBAY fraud alert > > I recently got an email from the "Ebay security audit team" or > > something to >> that affect. Says they periodically verify contact information, and >> couldn't verify mine, asking me to follow a link to update my account >> or it would be disabled in 5 days. > >I reported the same thing to eBay about 2 months ago. Whats worse, >about a week ago I got the same thing from PayPal ! > >So, take care, and NEVER give your accountnumber away, or follow those >links The scum have been doing this for months. The eBay ones are the most common, I've lost track of how many I've gotten. The PayPal ones so far are far less common, I've only gotten one or two of them. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From emu at ecubics.com Fri Aug 29 14:50:01 2003 From: emu at ecubics.com (emanuel stiebler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: kennedy 9300 tape drive In-Reply-To: <00d401c36df4$c6eb8f00$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> References: <200308281954.h7SJsevF003304@spies.com> <00d401c36df4$c6eb8f00$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> Message-ID: <3F4FAE5B.2070403@ecubics.com> ed sharpe wrote: > out of all the years I owned Computer Exchange Inc. I had only one 7970 hp > tape drive that would read 7 track... even the ones that only read 7 > track must have been scarce too, or I just never attracted them! Are you sure it was a hp 7970 ? All hp7970 I found are 9-track ... cheers From nico at farumdata.dk Fri Aug 29 14:52:00 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: Tape drives in General References: <030829090655.9f81@splab.cas.neu.edu> <3F4F8FEF.8090002@ecubics.com> Message-ID: <000c01c36e65$915ab8e0$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> Inspired by recent posts, I wonder if it would be an idea to set up a database of who has what, so we can poll resources etc. It should not "just" contain who has which drives, but also controllers, software, special cables, formatters, .... In my case, I have a tape controller from Microtech Conversion systems, model TAPE816, but neither info (e.g. strapping) nor software. I also have 4-5-6 cables with 50-pin sub-d connector on one end, and edge connectors on the other end. They are not identical, but I cant for the life of me remember which cable connects to which controller. Nico From kai at techie.com Fri Aug 29 14:58:01 2003 From: kai at techie.com (Wesley Widner) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: EBAY fraud alert In-Reply-To: <000001c36e64$90fb9e60$023ca8c0@blafleur> Message-ID: <004a01c36e66$ddc1c8d0$0201a8c0@netmaster> I'm a firm believer that all users of the internet should be required to obtain a license from their federal government. Basics rules should be taught before the license is issued as well; like: "no, there is no widow in Nigeria who wants to give you x million dollars", and: "no, Bill Gates won't give you money if you forward this email to anyone". There should also be "internet police" who have the power to go to someone who has violated one of these rules and thwap them over the head with a 'giant foam cluebat'(TM). Just my $.02... ---- ---Wesley Widner -- - > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Bob Lafleur > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:34 PM > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: EBAY fraud alert > > > I've seen similar things now "from" other organizations, such > as banks. (ones I don't even have accounts for, but the > messages are just mass E-mailed, hoping they'll hit some targets). > > It's really too bad this has happened to E-mail. Almost every > message now has to be treated as "guilty until proven > innocent". Sometimes I think it's time to throw in the towel > on E-mail as a form of communication. Oh well. > > - Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org] > On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:05 PM > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: EBAY fraud alert > > > > > I recently got an email from the "Ebay security audit team" or > > > something to > >> that affect. Says they periodically verify contact information, and > >> couldn't verify mine, asking me to follow a link to update > my account > > >> or it would be disabled in 5 days. > > > >I reported the same thing to eBay about 2 months ago. Whats worse, > >about a week ago I got the same thing from PayPal ! > > > >So, take care, and NEVER give your accountnumber away, or > follow those > >links > > The scum have been doing this for months. The eBay ones are > the most common, I've lost track of how many I've gotten. > The PayPal ones so far are far less common, I've only gotten > one or two of them. > > Zane > > -- > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From coredump at gifford.co.uk Fri Aug 29 15:13:00 2003 From: coredump at gifford.co.uk (John Honniball) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: Tape drives in General In-Reply-To: <000c01c36e65$915ab8e0$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> References: <030829090655.9f81@splab.cas.neu.edu> <3F4F8FEF.8090002@ecubics.com> <000c01c36e65$915ab8e0$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> Message-ID: <3F4FB22E.1090705@gifford.co.uk> Nico de Jong wrote: > Inspired by recent posts, I wonder if it would be an idea to set up > a database of who has what, so we can poll resources etc. OK... > It should not "just" contain who has which drives, but also > controllers, software, special cables, formatters, .... I have a DEC TU77 which was once connected to a DECSystem 2020 (PDP-10). It has the formatter installed internally and it connects to the host via Massbus. I also have some manuals and a couple of spare parts for it. Incidentally, if anyone can use it, I'd be glad to pass it on to a new home. It's waaaay too big to keep at home! Of course, it's also too big to ship very far (from Bristol, UK). -- John Honniball coredump@gifford.co.uk From spedraja at ono.com Fri Aug 29 15:53:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: DEC logo (was: DEC colors) References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030829094435.04a5f440@mail.ubanproductions.com> Message-ID: <019601c36e6e$02caaa00$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Hello: > I don't have a vector file, but I do have some files which people might > find interesting. I have a scan of an 11/70 rack header panel which has > been retouched in Adobe Photoshop: > > http://www.ubanproductions.com/panel1170b.jpg (97405 bytes) VERY close to my idea :-) Something like this, but referred to the Programmer's Panel's of all the PDP line, is what I'm searching. Cheers Sergio From aek at spies.com Fri Aug 29 16:14:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: kennedy 9300 tape drive Message-ID: <200308292107.h7TL7Au6024212@spies.com> > out of all the years I owned Computer Exchange Inc. I had only one 7970 hp > tape drive that would read 7 track... even the ones that only read 7 > track must have been scarce too, or I just never attracted them! Are you sure it was a hp 7970 ? All hp7970 I found are 9-track ... -- You must have not looked very hard. page 1-02 of the 7970 manual at www.spies.com/aek/pdf/hp/tape/07970-90887_7970svc_Dec77.pdf 7970B/7970E magnetic tape unit configuration guide model-option 7970B-136 200 556 800 7tk 7970E-164 200 556 800 1600 7tk 9tk slave 7970E-165 200 556 800 1600 7tk 9tk master From cisin at xenosoft.com Fri Aug 29 16:36:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: Attache Disks In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20030828013816.0eb7fb18@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.16.20030828013816.0eb7fb18@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030829141505.H39891@newshell.lmi.net> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > >There was also a 720K 5.25" 96TPI (80 track per side) option. > Do you know what you have to do to use the 96TPI drives in the Attache? I don't know. But it was a supported option from Otrona. It would require software changes: either be a different boot (system) disk, different ROM, or both. But, IIRC, the MS-DOS option involved a daughter board with an 808x co-processor. If you can find drives that will physically fit, they'll hook up to the same cables and controller. Canon made a really nice 2/3 height DOUBLE drive. The guy who has 3.5" drives in his would need, or have, exactly the same software changes. Except for connectors, 3.5" 720K drives would use the same software as 5.25" 720K drives, and are almost impossible to differentiate in software. From Ladyelec at aol.com Fri Aug 29 16:37:00 2003 From: Ladyelec at aol.com (Ladyelec@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: Word processor--vintage computer or typewriter ? Message-ID: <1a3.19760722.2c811fab@aol.com> I have a simple question, is a word processor a vintage computer or typewriter? I am on digest and will be reading your replies and shall thank you now, Isa From healyzh at aracnet.com Fri Aug 29 16:50:01 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: Word processor--vintage computer or typewriter ? In-Reply-To: <1a3.19760722.2c811fab@aol.com> from "Ladyelec@aol.com" at Aug 29, 2003 05:29:15 PM Message-ID: <200308292142.h7TLgP58016212@onyx.spiritone.com> > I have a simple question, > is a word processor a vintage computer or typewriter? > I am on digest and will be reading your replies and shall thank you now, > Isa Personally I'd say that it's a computerized Typewriter. Zane From marvin at rain.org Fri Aug 29 17:48:00 2003 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:33 2005 Subject: EBAY fraud alert References: <00ee01c36e51$f718a660$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <3F4FD655.A4482460@rain.org> Jay West wrote: > > I recently got an email from the "Ebay security audit team" or something to > that affect. Says they periodically verify contact information, and couldn't > verify mine, asking me to follow a link to update my account or it would be > disabled in 5 days. This is a rather common scam that has been going on for about a year or so. It has spread to PayPal, and is one of the rationalizations that ebay is using to force all users to change from email address IDs to an alias. If Ebay is doing anything about these scams, they are keeping it a secret. From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 29 17:53:01 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: HP 9825A rescue? In-Reply-To: <00d301c36df4$c657b370$0100a8c0@SONYDIGITALED> from "ed sharpe" at Aug 28, 3 10:46:25 pm Message-ID: > yes it is worth saving! > > all hp stuff is neat! Waht, even the 6S 'calculator'? Or the other crap they're selling (they're not even making it) at the moment??? -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 29 17:54:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: (OT) ZN448E ADC chip In-Reply-To: <10308290219.ZM24321@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> from "Peter Turnbull" at Aug 29, 3 02:19:44 am Message-ID: > On Aug 28, 22:39, Tony Duell wrote: > > > It's over 10 years old, and it's microprocessor-compatible, but > it's an > > > analogue to digital converter chip, not a computer. It's also not > in > > > my spares box, and I need one. Does anyone have a spare? Or a > data > > > sheet? > > > > I can't find a chip (although it sounds familiar for some reason), > but I > > do have a Ferranti data book that covers it. What do you need to > know? > > Pinout, and if possible some timing info (conversion time etc) and what Firstly, the ZN447, ZN448, and ZN449 are all much the same apart from linearity errors. So if you can find data on any of them it'll be of use. The pinout is (18 pin DIL): 1 : Busy/ (End of Conversion) 2: RD/ (Output Enable) 3 : Clcok 4 : Wr/ (Start Conversion) 5 : Rext (End of comparator tail, via resistor to -5V or so) 6 : Vin (Input) 7 : VRef In (Reference Input) 8 : VRef Out ( 2.5V reference output, often strapped to pin 7) 9 : Ground 10 : Vcc (+5V) 11 : DB7 (MSB) 12 : DB6 13 : DB5 14 : DB4 15 : DB3 16 : DB2 17 : DB1 18 : DB0 (LSB) The clock is either : A cap from 3 to ground (tup something between 100pF and 1nF to start with), a RC series circuit from 3 to ground, a network consisting of ((1MHz Xtal in series with 56pf) in parallel with (2n2 in series with 4k7)), or a TTL level clock signal. The reference is basically a 2.5V 'zener' between 8 and ground. You need to connect a resistor (390R is shown) from 8 to Vcc, and a 4u7 cap from 8 to ground is a good idea. This will give a 2.5V reference. You can use an external reference of a volateage between 1.5V and 3V. You can actually go below 1.5V, but the device gets slower (!). COnversion time is 7.5 to 8.5 clock cycles, the clock frequency is somewhere between 100kHz and 1MHz with the values I suggested. -tony From patrick at evocative.com Fri Aug 29 18:00:00 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Attache Disks In-Reply-To: <20030829141505.H39891@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: > But, IIRC, the MS-DOS option involved a daughter board with > an 808x co-processor. Fred, that's correct. That board has its own RAM, serial I/O, and GPIB, too. Other daughter boards offered high-resolution graphics and a 25th line on the text display. --Patrick From ghldbrd at ccp.com Fri Aug 29 18:00:24 2003 From: ghldbrd at ccp.com (Gary Hildebrand) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Ping Gary Hildebrand References: Message-ID: <3F4FD94B.E6465ED4@ccp.com> John Lawson wrote: > > > > Hey, Gary - ya out there? Did you get the Doc I sent via SnailMail? > > Just curious... > > > > Cheers > > John Just got it, and ------ Wrong book. I have a 321A, not a 213. Will be sent back next week. Tnx anyway -- check inside for your postage. Gary From pwh at poggs.co.uk Fri Aug 29 18:05:00 2003 From: pwh at poggs.co.uk (Peter Hicks) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Vax emulator? In-Reply-To: <030828070846.9c37@splab.cas.neu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu wrote: > why not use a REAL vax?? A real VAX is difficult to carry around in your bag :-) Peter. From vp at mcs.drexel.edu Fri Aug 29 18:05:14 2003 From: vp at mcs.drexel.edu (Vassilis Prevelakis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: HP-85 Re: anyone in rochester? Message-ID: <200308281550.h7SFo3pW005799@king.mcs.drexel.edu> Joe wrote: > > BTW I have finally managed to get a 98155A keyboard for my 9915's > Congradulations! Where did you find it? It took me years to find one. On eBay, for $35 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2748063348 as you can see I used the Buy Now option, and not a moment too soon, the seller told me that he had higher offers from others that came late. > GREAT! I've been looking for those for years. The only one that I have >is for networking the 9915s. Do you mean the system for making backup tapes with a bunch of 9915s connected via HP-IB? Do you have the s/w for that pac? ----------- "Jay West" wrote: > What about the 9122? you'll need the EMS ROM for that one. > I'm hoping it would work with the 9122, which is what I want to get for my > 1631D. The only reason I'm hunting for 9122 instead of 9121, is I thought > the floppy disks for the 9122 might be easier to find (they DO use different > media right?) The difference between the 9121 and the 9122 is that the former is single sided and the latter double. Apart from that they both use the DOUBLE density format which is different from the QUAD density PC floppies. So while you gain in capacity with the 9122, you still need to find these floppies. BTW note that while the 9121 is very reliable, there are quite a few 9122s with damaged heads. This has to do with the disk loading mechanism that gets stuck with age and if the user forces the diskette in, it hits one of the read/write heads. > Thanks for the tip!! I don't have too many old DECtapes, but when you say > old 40mb PC tape drive tapes, are you talking QIC-80 tapes? I have tons of > those. If not, exactly what tape do I go buy? CAREFULL! The HP-85 tapes (and the DECtapes) are NOT the same as the QIC-80 tapes. They look the same, to the extent that I was trying to insert one and getting annoyied when it wouldn't go in. > I saw note of that on your website. That would be soooooooo so nice to have > n ROM emulator. Humm there can't be THAT much to the electronics inside the > 2929A. Anyone have one they'll let me take apart and build a copy of? Actually its not that complex. If you look at http://www.series80.org/Manuals/HP82929A.pdf you will see that most of the chips deal with address decoding. You can replace most if not all with a microcontroller (e.g. PIC). BUT, (there has to be a but, otherwise, I would have already pointed you to a page that tells you how to build one :-) The HP-85 bus is not TTL. I think the logic true is +6V and the clocks are like +12V. So you need more than a PIC. Like I said, its in my TODO list. Having said that, relocating the ROM executable may actually be easier. But (there's that word, again) when I tried to look at the CPU architecture, I freaked out. What the **** were they doing back then. This CPU is totally wierd, so understanding what is going on with that thing will take some effort. Anybody who knows/remembers HP-85 assembly? :-) **vp From jwest at kwcorp.com Fri Aug 29 18:05:28 2003 From: jwest at kwcorp.com (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: 9121 vs 9122 Message-ID: <00a701c36da2$19f4a9a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Ok, if both 9121 and 9122 use the same media, what is the difference between these two drives? Jay West From Dave.Whipple at DNPG.com Fri Aug 29 18:05:40 2003 From: Dave.Whipple at DNPG.com (Dave.Whipple@DNPG.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Dec or Digital Networking Message-ID: <9AA0945D5FB72242873A28B8EF80DAD03935AE@DNPG-EXC1> Hi Everyone, My company builds the Decservers adn we are the original networking division otherwise known as DNPG. I noticed there are a lot of Dec users out there and I am sure they would like to know what we have designed lately. We have a brand new Decserver 708 with 8 ports of DB-9 and full modem control encase in metal and ready to deliver. We have the new 90M+ which has replaced the Decserver 90M, 90L and 90L+. We have the 716 and 732. We have a brand new switch family known as the Compass Family. 24 ports 10/100 with 2 uplink slots for fiber or copper in Gigabit or 100 base. These also do upto 128 VLANs at the closet level. The other switch in the family is 4 ports fixed copper gigabit and has 4 uplink slots to be configured as you wish. Now this is the first time we will mention our brand new Console Servers, Cservers which are linux based and are due out in September. We have also partnered up with Console Works and TDI offering out of band management for all of the devices that you want to watch and deem important in real time. This solution lets you oversee and proactively manage in real time from anywhere at anytime. Reboot a workstation in Paris from a blue screen from your bed with a laptop. That is power and management Thank you, dwhipple@dnpg.com Dave Whipple Account Manager direct dial: 603-216-6044 fax:603-216-0778 toll free: 877-341-9594 X6044 DNPG, LLC Digital Networks 20 North Wentworth Ave Londonderry, NH 03053 From dwight.elvey at amd.com Fri Aug 29 18:05:52 2003 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: (OT) ZN448E ADC chip Message-ID: <200308282140.OAA02644@clulw009.amd.com> >From: "John Honniball" > >Peter Turnbull wrote: >> It's over 10 years old, and it's microprocessor-compatible, but it's an >> analogue to digital converter chip, not a computer. It's also not in >> my spares box, and I need one. Does anyone have a spare? Or a data >> sheet? > >I only have a couple of ZN428 chips, and the data sheet for them. I may >have data for the ZN448 -- I'll have a look. It was a Ferranti part, >if that helps at all. > Many ADC had a large number of replacements. The trick is finding them. There was no uniform part numbering for these, like was done in the TTL world. Dwight From bear at typewritten.org Fri Aug 29 18:06:05 2003 From: bear at typewritten.org (r.stricklin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Old computers or workstations with cache memory? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2337D4B0-D9C9-11D7-BF49-000A956C4CA0@typewritten.org> On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, at 03:38 AM, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > I'm doing some research for a client and am seeking out information on > computers or processors prior to 1983 that implemented cache memory in > the > processor. > > SGI Power > Er, well.. while I don't have an answer to your question, I'm not sure of the provenance of this one. SGI wasn't founded until 1982 and their first product---released in 1983---was the IRIS 1000, which is a graphics terminal utilizing the MC68000 CPU at 8 MHz. I have an engineering sample of that CPU board (a slight modification of the original SUN CPU), dated 9/82. It has no cache, inside OR outside the CPU. ok bear From djg at pdp8online.com Fri Aug 29 18:06:19 2003 From: djg at pdp8online.com (David Gesswein) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: I have an ASR 33 TTY with a trashed printball Message-ID: <200308291207.h7TC7mf16129@user-119apiu.biz.mindspring.com> > realized what was going on. So now I need a new printball and some advice on > what to do about the missing rubber? hammer cover. If the damage isn't too bad you can carefully file/sand down the damaged areas so they are the same height and it will print better. The one on the following picture had that problem and is readable but not great. With a little more work probably could be a little better by reshaping/ flattening individual letters but decided to stop at good enough. Print sample http://www.pdp8.net/asr33/dms.jpg This is my repair with a stick on foot. http://www.pdp8.net/asr33/pics/ph_top.shtml?small David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights From kenacms at ngatoro.terrigal.net.au Fri Aug 29 18:06:32 2003 From: kenacms at ngatoro.terrigal.net.au (Ken Kirkby (ACMS)) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Old computers or workstations with cache memory? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030826154946.00a04738@mail.ubanproductions.com> from "Tom Uban" at Aug 26, 3 03:53:15 pm Message-ID: <200308291317.h7TDHBP04976@ngatoro.terrigal.net.au> > Gould made a number of machines which had a two way set associative > cache. The Gould 9000, 8600, and 67 all had this style of cache memory. > The 9000 also had an expandable cache which they called shadow memory > that worked by overlaying a block of DRAM. > > I don't know for sure the dates of these machines, but I think only the > 8600 was pre 83, possibly mid to late 82. Modcomp had by the mid eighties in the Classic32's a 64kb four-way set of associative cache memory, and 16 sets of independent mapping register cache. This was carried through to the TriD series 9230-60's with some expansions. I've forgotten what the earlier 7800's series had, and dont have manuals here to check, but I think the Classic 7870's had a fair amount of cache.. Ken Kirkby Australia. www.plc-peripherals.com > > --tom > > At 03:38 AM 8/26/2003 -0700, you wrote: > > >I'm doing some research for a client and am seeking out information on > >computers or processors prior to 1983 that implemented cache memory in the > >processor. > > > >Can anyone think of any other than the following: > > > >Amdahl 470 V/6 > >Amdahl 470 V/6-II > >Amdahl 470 V/8 > >Amdahl 580 > >Data General Eclipse MV/4000 > >Data General Eclipse MV/8000C > >Data General Eclipse MV/8000II > >Data General Eclipse MV/10000 > >HP 3000 Series 64 > >IBM 3033 > >IBM 3038 > >IBM 3081K > >IBM 3084 > >NEC S/1000 > >SGI Power > >Zilog Z8000 > >Zilog Z80000 > > > >? > > > >Thanks! > > > >-- > > > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > > >[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] > >[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From donm at cts.com Fri Aug 29 18:12:00 2003 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Attache Disks In-Reply-To: <20030829141505.H39891@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Fred Cisin wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Joe wrote: > > >There was also a 720K 5.25" 96TPI (80 track per side) option. > > Do you know what you have to do to use the 96TPI drives in the Attache? > > I don't know. But it was a supported option from Otrona. > It would require software changes: either be a different > boot (system) disk, different ROM, or both. > But, IIRC, the MS-DOS option involved a daughter board with > an 808x co-processor. There are several references to 96 tpi drives/disks in the BIOS source code and the FORMAT source. At a quick glance, it seems that it might be possible to patch the ondisk binary. - don > If you can find drives that will physically fit, > they'll hook up to the same cables and controller. > > Canon made a really nice 2/3 height DOUBLE drive. > > The guy who has 3.5" drives in his would need, or have, > exactly the same software changes. Except for connectors, > 3.5" 720K drives would use the same software as 5.25" 720K drives, > and are almost impossible to differentiate in software. From cisin at xenosoft.com Fri Aug 29 18:16:01 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: EBAY fraud alert In-Reply-To: <3F4FD655.A4482460@rain.org> References: <00ee01c36e51$f718a660$033310ac@kwcorp.com> <3F4FD655.A4482460@rain.org> Message-ID: <20030829160338.M39891@newshell.lmi.net> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Marvin Johnston wrote: > This is a rather common scam that has been going on for about a year or > so. It has spread to PayPal, and is one of the rationalizations that > ebay is using to force all users to change from email address IDs to an > alias. If Ebay is doing anything about these scams, they are keeping it > a secret. On the "My eBay" pages, there is occasionally a link near the top, to a warning (with little or no real information) about "email spoofing" that is specifically about it. From healyzh at aracnet.com Fri Aug 29 18:17:00 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: EBAY fraud alert In-Reply-To: <3F4FD655.A4482460@rain.org> from "Marvin Johnston" at Aug 29, 2003 03:40:21 PM Message-ID: <200308292309.h7TN9c2r017940@onyx.spiritone.com> > This is a rather common scam that has been going on for about a year or > so. It has spread to PayPal, and is one of the rationalizations that > ebay is using to force all users to change from email address IDs to an > alias. If Ebay is doing anything about these scams, they are keeping it > a secret. eBay is forcing users to change from an email address to an alias? This is the first I've heard about it. I know they won't let you get a new account and use your email address as they want to control peoples ability to reach you. I've not seen anything that says that I have to change mine to an alias. Personally I like that people are able to easily find my email address on eBay. Zane From esharpe at uswest.net Fri Aug 29 18:38:05 2003 From: esharpe at uswest.net (Ed Sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: 9121 vs 9122 References: <00a701c36da2$19f4a9a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <015f01c36e8d$028c5060$69fa81ac@aoldsl.net> for some reason I remember the 9121 being single sided and the 9122 being double? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay West" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: 9121 vs 9122 > Ok, if both 9121 and 9122 use the same media, what is the difference between > these two drives? > > Jay West From fmc at reanimators.org Fri Aug 29 18:47:14 2003 From: fmc at reanimators.org (Frank McConnell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: 9121 vs 9122 In-Reply-To: <00a701c36da2$19f4a9a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> (Jay West's message of "Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:22:28 -0500") References: <00a701c36da2$19f4a9a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <200308292314.h7TNEKKO024712@daemonweed.reanimators.org> "Jay West" wrote: > Ok, if both 9121 and 9122 use the same media, what is the difference between > these two drives? My recollection is that a 9121 has single-sided drives, and a 9122 has double-sided drives. You might be able to find a early 9121 that has early drives that don't open the diskette's shutter automatically. I'm not sure how early that would have to be though, I'm remembering 9133XVs with single-sided stiffy drives in mid-1983 and they were capable of opening the shutters by themselves. The HP media at that point, though, was manufactured so that you could manually open the shutter and have it catch open for use in the older drives; you also were expected to pinch the corner of the diskette to release the (spring-loaded) shutter. -Frank McConnell From majordomo1 at cox.net Fri Aug 29 18:48:00 2003 From: majordomo1 at cox.net (majordomo1@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: IBM 60 Message-ID: <20030829234055.WFLP419.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Ahoy, I need an IBM 60. Has anybody got one of these big bears? From gehrich at tampabay.rr.com Fri Aug 29 18:59:00 2003 From: gehrich at tampabay.rr.com (Gene Ehrich) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: IBM 60 In-Reply-To: <20030829234055.WFLP419.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.ne t> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030829195059.022616c8@pop-server> At 07:40 PM 8/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Ahoy, >I need an IBM 60. Has anybody got one of these big bears? What is an IBM 60? I worked for them for 27 years and as a consultant for another 10 and never heard of an IBM 60 ================================= Gene Ehrich gehrich@tampabay.rr.com From cisin at xenosoft.com Fri Aug 29 19:13:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: IBM 60 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030829195059.022616c8@pop-server> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030829195059.022616c8@pop-server> Message-ID: <20030829170134.M39891@newshell.lmi.net> > >Ahoy, > >I need an IBM 60. Has anybody got one of these big bears? On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Gene Ehrich wrote: > What is an IBM 60? > I worked for them for 27 years and as a consultant for another 10 and never > heard of an IBM 60 a PS/2 model 60? a 5160? a 360/60? a 360, without the '3'? a 1620, without the '1' and the '2'? From tractorb at ihug.co.nz Fri Aug 29 19:22:00 2003 From: tractorb at ihug.co.nz (Dave Brown) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: HP 9825A rescue? References: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD681@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <013f01c36e8b$bf313b10$6f00a8c0@athlon> The 5046A was an IC testing system-It comprised the 5045A tester and the 9825S with 9866B printer-HPIB interconnections. The 9825S was the A with more memory and additional ROMS. (23k2 bytes v. 6k8 in the A--wow!) DaveB Christchurch, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luc Vande Velde" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 11:37 PM Subject: RE: HP 9825A rescue? > I have the beast om my desk here: > The 9825A has option 002 installed (23228bytes op mem) and has 2 modules in > its option slots > a 98216A module and a 98210 module > It powers up and seems to do the basic calculations (1+1=2) :))) > On the back is a sticker: Part of 5046A system (never heard of) > there are also 3 expansion module like bays in the back - all of them empty > ----------- > The 9826 unit that came with it powers also up but seems to ask for a disk > This unit looks like disk os based - is there anything more to find about > it? > > Luc > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Joe > Verzonden: woensdag 27 augustus 2003 12:50 > Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Onderwerp: Re: HP 9825A rescue? > > > At 01:36 PM 8/28/03 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi Folks, > > > >I am not familiar with the old HP calculators. > >The local junkyard has a HP 9825A desktop calculator they can't sell > >They intend to demolish it next week - is it worth saving it? or is the > >world full of it? > > Why can't they sell it? > > >- is it worth saving it? > > Yes but it sounds like you don't have any choice. > > >or is the > >world full of it? > > They're relatively common in this area but I'm close to several large > military contractors and Kennedy Space Center and they use a lot of them. > But they are neat machines and seem to run forever. It's probably one of > the best machines that HP ever built IMO. They run a OS/language called > HPL. It's a cross between APL and BASIC. Lots more details on my website at > . > > What model is it? Open the paper cover and see what options it has. > > Joe > > > >It looks complete and has only some minor estetic damage. > > > >gr. > > > >Luc Vande Velde > > > > > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >Van: cctech-admin@classiccmp.org > >[mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Fritz Chwolka > >Verzonden: donderdag 21 augustus 2003 17:05 > >Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org > >Onderwerp: Re: Anyone have copy of old BBS software > > > > > >On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:05:25 -0400, Cini, Richard wrote: > > > >>Hello, all: > >> > >> Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC > >>platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to do some > >file > >>transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS > >>would be a clean way to do it. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >>Rich Cini > > > >Why don't use telemate, procomm or zock and use their internal host > >like personal bbs ? > > > >BBSen even here > > > >http://www.eunet.bg/simtel.net/msdos/bbs.html > > > >and here look for telix or telemate > > > >http://www.vectorbd.com/bfd/telecomm/ > > > > > > > >Greetings from > >Fritz Chwolka > > > > > >> www.alterechner.de < From hansp at citem.org Fri Aug 29 19:45:00 2003 From: hansp at citem.org (Hans B Pufal) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: 7 track tape drives In-Reply-To: <200308291419.h7TEJN96010131@spies.com> References: <200308291419.h7TEJN96010131@spies.com> Message-ID: <3F4F4786.6060903@citem.org> Al Kossow wrote: >As heard from previous messages the TU10 would be capable of reading 7 & 9 >track tapes. > >-- > >A TU10 transport WITH A 7 TRACK HEAD can read a 7 track tape. >Good luck finding one. > > There are 4 TU10's within 50ft of my desk ;-) We have one hooked up to our PDP-9 but so far have not put it to any use not having found any tapes in dire need of reading. We have run the diagnostins witha scratch tape though. I'd be willing to try and read tapes here in europe but bearing in mind that we have not exercised the drive I would like to start out with tapes not containing any valuable data.. -- hbp From vcf at siconic.com Fri Aug 29 19:47:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Tape drives in General In-Reply-To: <000c01c36e65$915ab8e0$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Nico de Jong wrote: > Inspired by recent posts, I wonder if it would be an idea to set up a > database of who has what, so we can poll resources etc. It should not > "just" contain who has which drives, but also controllers, software, > special cables, formatters, .... Half the effort is already there if people would take advantage of the Vintage Computer Marketplace database feature and use that to share lists of available hardware for trade or loan. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Fri Aug 29 19:49:00 2003 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Word processor--vintage computer or typewriter ? In-Reply-To: <1a3.19760722.2c811fab@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 Ladyelec@aol.com wrote: > is a word processor a vintage computer or typewriter? It depends on how you use it. If you only write letters with it then it's a "typewriter". If you hacked a general purpose OS into the ROM then it could be considered a vintage computer, if it's ten years old or older. But really, it's niether. As your subject line indicates, it's a word processor. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Fri Aug 29 20:05:00 2003 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: 7 track tape drives Message-ID: <030829204804.a17e@splab.cas.neu.edu> O.K. over the weekend I will inventory what is at home, which is where the older stuff is. I know at work is the dilog controllers and the 9 track drives, cipher 880 and 990 are the newest. here at home are the manuals the tc01 and tc02 emulex controllers and the older drives. bug me if I forget! Joe Heck From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Fri Aug 29 20:07:11 2003 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Vax emulator? Message-ID: <030829205353.a17e@splab.cas.neu.edu> yes, you got me there. Even I have gone the emulation route and am running RT-11 on a PC. Now, what to do with all those 11/23 and 11/73 boards... Joe From jwest at classiccmp.org Fri Aug 29 20:31:00 2003 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Word processor--vintage computer or typewriter ? References: Message-ID: <002701c36e95$59275c00$c800a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Sellam wrote... >then it > could be considered a vintage computer, if it's ten years old or older. Well, at least according to the original list FAQ... it is not vintage (and thus germane for discussion here) if it is just 10 years old. The criteria is if the item stopped being manufactured over ten years ago. If the typewriter could be "programmed", I'd be more inclined to call it a computer. Jay West From charlesmorris at direcway.com Fri Aug 29 20:34:00 2003 From: charlesmorris at direcway.com (Charles) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Looking for a good home for my PDP-8/L (working) Message-ID: I no longer have the time or interest to play with my "University Computing Company" 4K PDP-8/L. It's a box and front panel but no cabinet - can't tell if it was a rackmount or tabletop. After replacing almost all the 7440's and a few other IC's, it seems to be fully working and "talks" with my ASR33 (desktop, no stand). Many panel bulbs were bad so I have replaced them with LEDs/resistors - glows red instead of orange/white but doesn't burn out! The only problem is intermittent read errors from the tape reader that prevent me from reading in a long tape like FOCAL or PAL. RIM can be toggled in and it reads BIN successfully. I also have a homemade NVRAM DF32/DS32 128K emulator (you may have seen the posts this winter) which also appears to be working but may need some modification to work with DEC software. It stores and reads blocks of data, anyhow, and is a 99% complete emulation of the huge rackmount DF32 + 3 DS32 assembly. The interface is the standard five-cable posibus and I had my own "paddle" connector boards fabricated to use with standard 40 pin ribbon cables. I will include the (Eagle format) schematic and board files and hopefully someone can complete the project. Emailed pictures available. I'd like to sell the whole works (8/L, TTY and disk project) to a good home ;) otherwise it goes on E bay. -Charles From majordomo1 at cox.net Fri Aug 29 21:59:00 2003 From: majordomo1 at cox.net (majordomo1@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: IBM 60 Message-ID: <20030830025147.JZOK5378.lakemtao01.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> > Oops. I reckon I meant 360/60. Sorry. > From: Gene Ehrich > Date: 2003/08/29 Fri PM 07:51:51 EDT > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: IBM 60 > > At 07:40 PM 8/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Ahoy, > >I need an IBM 60. Has anybody got one of these big bears? > > What is an IBM 60? > > I worked for them for 27 years and as a consultant for another 10 and never > heard of an IBM 60 > > > > ================================= > Gene Ehrich > gehrich@tampabay.rr.com From aek at spies.com Fri Aug 29 22:02:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Interesting Heathkit Expansion Board Message-ID: <200308300255.h7U2t2jj026909@spies.com> > I just pulled a really interesting-looking expansion board from a dead > Heathkit H-89 I acquired a few months ago, and I was wondering if anyone > knew anything about it, and/or had documentation and software to support it. http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/nogds/HA-89-3_graphicsBoard_1982.pdf From aek at spies.com Fri Aug 29 22:08:01 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: IBM 60 Message-ID: <200308300301.h7U31LAa027412@spies.com> The IBM 360/60 was never really a product.. try again. -- > BTW, weren't the 360/60 and 360/62 as evanescent as the 64 and 66? And wasn't there  > a 360/70 that also quickly disappeared? The original lineup was the 30, 40, 50, 60, 62, and 70, with a vague promise of a 92. The 60 and 62 were the same CPU (2060), but different core-memory units (2360 and 2362). The 70 used hardware similar to the 60 and 62, but was all hard-wired, with no microprogramming, and used the superior 2362 core. The original S/360's took a long time to be delivered, and, a year later, some of the hardware specs were no longer competitive. The 60 was dropped altogether, and the 62 and 70 were replaced by the 65 and 75. Out of them all, only one 62 was ever shipped to a customer. At the same time, the 92 was dropped, to be replaced by a vague promise of a "90 series", later realized in the 91, 95, and 195. It was also about this time that the original 2.0-microsecond 30, with lights in the front like the other 360's, was largely superseded by the 1.5-microsecond 75(1), with lights behind a flat panel like a 1401; though the 76.-microsecond version was never officially discontinued, and was shipped in large enough numbers that there were 2.0-microsecond 22's offered (the 22's were reconditioned 30's, offered while the 370/115 and 77/125 were not yet ready), it was rare (I never saw one). But in the meantime, the need for large-scale timesharing had resulted in the announcement of virtual-memory versions of the 60 and 62, to be called the 64 and 66. As part of the same restructuring, these were withdrawn a month after they were announced, to be replaced with the 67. Of the original April, 1964, 360's, only the 40 and 50 ended up being shipped in large numbers. From tothwolf at concentric.net Fri Aug 29 22:48:01 2003 From: tothwolf at concentric.net (Tothwolf) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Word processor--vintage computer or typewriter ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 Ladyelec@aol.com wrote: > > > is a word processor a vintage computer or typewriter? > > It depends on how you use it. If you only write letters with it then > it's a "typewriter". If you hacked a general purpose OS into the ROM > then it could be considered a vintage computer, if it's ten years old or > older. > > But really, it's niether. As your subject line indicates, it's a word > processor. That being said, would the IBM Displaywriter be considered a computer, a word processor, or both? -Toth From rogersda at cox.net Fri Aug 29 23:43:00 2003 From: rogersda at cox.net (rogersda@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Paypal too! (was: EBAY fraud alert) Message-ID: <20030830043537.QWWC15700.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> A similar scam was attempted on me about a month ago regarding my Paypal account. The *first* hint that it wasn't legit' was that it came to an email account other than the one Paypal knows me at. Dale (the DECdude) Jay West wrote: > I recently got an email from the "Ebay security audit team" or something to > that affect. Says they periodically verify contact information, and couldn't > verify mine, asking me to follow a link to update my account or it would be > disabled in 5 days. > > I followed the link, noticed it wasn't in secure mode, and wondered why EBAY > would need my bank account number, routing/ABA numbers, not to mention SSN and > home address and credit card numbers, etc. The form asked for everything > imaginable. Yikes! > > Upon getting suspicious I checked the headers and html links in the message - > needless to say - NOT ebay. Watch out for this one! I did report it to the > spoof team at Ebay. > > Jay West From nico at farumdata.dk Fri Aug 29 23:56:01 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: EBAY fraud alert References: <200308292309.h7TN9c2r017940@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <008901c36eb1$95b15740$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> > eBay is forcing users to change from an email address to an alias? This is > the first I've heard about it. I know they won't let you get a new account > and use your email address as they want to control peoples ability to reach > you. I've not seen anything that says that I have to change mine to an > alias. Personally I like that people are able to easily find my email > address on eBay. I'm a regular buyer on eBay Germany, and they have implemented it. About a fortnight ago or so, I was told that I couldnt log-in anymore with my e-mail address, but only with my alias. When you want to send a message to a seller, you must use a link provided with the item you want to bid on. It is then up to him to send you an e-mail with his real address. Nico From nico at farumdata.dk Fri Aug 29 23:57:44 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Tape drives in General References: Message-ID: <008a01c36eb1$95c9c140$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> > > Inspired by recent posts, I wonder if it would be an idea to set up a > > database of who has what, so we can poll resources etc. It should not > > "just" contain who has which drives, but also controllers, software, > > special cables, formatters, .... > > Half the effort is already there if people would take advantage of the > Vintage Computer Marketplace database feature and use that to share lists > of available hardware for trade or loan. > Ah, that looks nice. I'll check it out ASAP Nico From rogersda at cox.net Sat Aug 30 00:03:01 2003 From: rogersda at cox.net (rogersda@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: How do you bring up a MicroVax 2000? Message-ID: <20030830045533.WERD1408.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> FWIW, everything being asked about here is at the following link: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_019.html From rogersda at cox.net Sat Aug 30 00:18:00 2003 From: rogersda at cox.net (rogersda@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Word processor--vintage computer or typewriter ? Message-ID: <20030830051035.RFDK15700.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Over the years I've worked on a number of systems that were sold as "word processors". They were all "computers" in the sense that they had the standard complement of CPU, memory, mass storage and the programming was loaded at boot time, as opposed to being in ROM. Some of them, e.g. DEC's WS-78, were general-purpose computers (oops! pardon me ... Personal Data Processors) that were shipped only with the word processing software. However, especially in the case of the WS-78/DECmate family, a DOS (OS-8/78/278) was available, as were a variety of compilers and interpreters, e.g. Fortran, BASIC, Dibol. I think I still have OS-8 on 8" floppies. Dale (the DECdude) From marvin at rain.org Sat Aug 30 00:32:00 2003 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Paypal too! (was: EBAY fraud alert) References: <20030830043537.QWWC15700.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <3F5034F0.A15988B6@rain.org> I was talking to a friend who got one of those "your credit card information is invalid" type emails. Since he didn't have a credit card, it was rather obvious is was fraudulent :). rogersda@cox.net wrote: > > A similar scam was attempted on me about a month ago regarding my Paypal account. The *first* hint that it wasn't legit' was that it came to an email account other than the one Paypal knows me at. > > Dale (the DECdude) > > Jay West wrote: > > > I recently got an email from the "Ebay security audit team" or something to > > that affect. Says they periodically verify contact information, and couldn't > > verify mine, asking me to follow a link to update my account or it would be > > disabled in 5 days. > > > > I followed the link, noticed it wasn't in secure mode, and wondered why EBAY > > would need my bank account number, routing/ABA numbers, not to mention SSN and > > home address and credit card numbers, etc. The form asked for everything > > imaginable. Yikes! > > > > Upon getting suspicious I checked the headers and html links in the message - > > needless to say - NOT ebay. Watch out for this one! I did report it to the > > spoof team at Ebay. > > > > Jay West From dfnr2 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 00:39:00 2003 From: dfnr2 at yahoo.com (Dave) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Osborne 1 monitor questions In-Reply-To: <000b01c36d9a$be73ff10$5b01a8c0@athlon> Message-ID: <20030830053107.88573.qmail@web9407.mail.yahoo.com> > Do you not have schematics in the pdfs you have? Unfortunately, not in this service manual--it focuses on the custon main board and disk circuits. David. From cb at mythtech.net Sat Aug 30 00:52:00 2003 From: cb at mythtech.net (chris) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Paypal too! (was: EBAY fraud alert) Message-ID: >I was talking to a friend who got one of those "your credit card >information is invalid" type emails. Since he didn't have a credit card, >it was rather obvious is was fraudulent :). I get those from time to time, but unfortunatly, having been the victim of ID theft once already, I take each of them a little more seriously and investigate to make sure it isn't legit. -chris From jos.mar at bluewin.ch Sat Aug 30 02:41:00 2003 From: jos.mar at bluewin.ch (Marian Capel / Jos Dreesen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: PDP-8/L power supply prints and "reforming" capacitors In-Reply-To: <003401c364b4$128ac100$2101a8c0@solsmineral> Message-ID: <2D8F3A06-DABC-11D7-BFFB-000A9585D8F6@bluewin.ch> Philippe Sonnet heeft op zondag, 17 aug 2003 om 13:38 (Europe/Zurich) het volgende geschreven: > Hello, > > I am facing some problems with the power supply of my DEC PDP-8/L : the > voltages are not according to the Maintenance Handbook. Having the > prints > for the PDP-8/L power supply would greatly help me. Does anyone have > them ? A few days ago a nice chap from Germany has scanned the schematics. It is available on : http://cpp.seriousassault.de/pdp8/pdp8l_mm_25.tif Jos Dreesen From jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de Sat Aug 30 03:23:00 2003 From: jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (Jochen Kunz) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:34 2005 Subject: Vax emulator? In-Reply-To: ; from pwh@poggs.co.uk on Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 13:13:52 CEST References: <030828070846.9c37@splab.cas.neu.edu> Message-ID: <20030830095242.C518055@MissSophie.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> On 2003.08.28 13:13 Peter Hicks wrote: > A real VAX is difficult to carry around in your bag :-) Depends on your definition of "real VAX". If a "real VAX" is one of the VAX11/7xx, VAX 8xxx, VAX 6xxx line, yes this is difficult. If a "real VAX" is a computer with a VAX CPU, well, a VAXstation 4000 VLC is only a pizza box. ;-) -- tsch??, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ From classiccmp at knm.yi.org Sat Aug 30 03:47:00 2003 From: classiccmp at knm.yi.org (Matt London) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Vax emulator? In-Reply-To: <200308280814.h7S8EBXA029878@gtoal.com> Message-ID: Hi, > I have access to licenced VMS install CDs that came with some uVaxen > some time ago at the University where I work. The systems have been > surplussed long ago but we kept the software. If there a decent > (free) emulator that will run these on a Windows/XP or Linux PC? You might want to check out SIMH - that's a free simulator, compiles under windows and linux (and numerous other architectures). It's got a MicroVAX simulator (MV3500 IIRC), as well as a good few others. simh: ALTAIR/ GRI/ I1401/ Interdata/ PDP10/ PDP8/ VAX/ AltairZ80/ H316/ I1620/ NOVA/ PDP11/ S3/ BIN/ HP2100/ Ibm1130/ PDP1/ PDP18B/ SDS/ The SIMH VAX simulator works well enough for me to install and run OpenVMS 7.2 + Multinet. As far as relative speed is concerned, on a P4 1.8G running linux, it's slightly faster than my MV3100/10e and my housemate's MV3520. I've not got any fast VAXen to compare it with - but it's fast enough :&) -- Matt From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 30 04:02:01 2003 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Word processor--vintage computer or typewriter ? In-Reply-To: <20030830051035.RFDK15700.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030830085447.66694.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> > Over the years I've worked on a number of systems that were sold as "word > processors". They were all "computers" in the sense that they had the > standard complement of CPU, memory, mass storage and the programming was > loaded at boot time, as opposed to being in ROM. My Diamond's the same - the ROM only contains enough to load whatever's on the system disk. I have various floppies that were labelled as having contents other than the standard wordprocessing application software, so although the machine was sold by the manufacturer solely as a wordprocessor there were obviously 3rd parties who produced other software for it. If your definition of computer means that the OS has to be seperate from the running application, then no, it doesn't qualify (but that knocks out most 80's home micros that would drop straight into BASIC) I'd say that a wordprocessor that *looked* like a typewriter probably doesn't qualify as a computer though; it's just a microprocessor-controlled typewriter. cheers Jules ===== Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From at258 at osfn.org Sat Aug 30 08:21:00 2003 From: at258 at osfn.org (Merle K. Peirce) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Word processor--vintage computer or typewriter ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I believe the System 80 was a computer running word processing software. An 8085 main chip, I think. I have yet to run across the CP/M system disk for one, though. On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Tothwolf wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 Ladyelec@aol.com wrote: > > > > > is a word processor a vintage computer or typewriter? > > > > It depends on how you use it. If you only write letters with it then > > it's a "typewriter". If you hacked a general purpose OS into the ROM > > then it could be considered a vintage computer, if it's ten years old or > > older. > > > > But really, it's niether. As your subject line indicates, it's a word > > processor. > > That being said, would the IBM Displaywriter be considered a computer, a > word processor, or both? > > -Toth > M. K. Peirce Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc. Shady Lea, Rhode Island "Casta est quam nemo rogavit." - Ovid From rdd at rddavis.org Sat Aug 30 10:13:01 2003 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: TV Typewriters (was: Word processor...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030830150817.GA25828@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Quothe Tothwolf, from writings of Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:58:18PM -0500: > That being said, would the IBM Displaywriter be considered a computer, a > word processor, or both? Surely it can be classified as a TV typewriter (refer to THND for more info.). Also, it seems that the the overwhelming opinion on this group, some time ago, with regards to computers, digital and analog, in newfangled cars, was that such devices were indeed computers. So, since the word processor contains a computer, then the computer part of it is surely a computer. ...sort of like a rack (or racks) full of peripherals, plus a computer (e.g., a PDP-11/44), is often referred to by some as a computer. Just my two cents worth. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com Sat Aug 30 10:30:00 2003 From: kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com (Bruce Lane) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Up for auction... Message-ID: <200308300822540008.280F4EBC@192.168.42.129> Hi, gang, Two of the items I just put up on E-pay may be of interest. First, there's a big lot (11 boards worth) of MicroVAX II CPU's and memory, which includes a "Controller of Mystery" (A System Industries CS-1) that I never did figure out the purpose of. Second is a pair of unused coaxial cables for VAX clustering. Easy enough to find. Just do a 'Search by Seller' for 'bftbell' (sans quotes). Thanks again for putting up with my occasional ads. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green, aka Steve Smith) From rogersda at cox.net Sat Aug 30 10:34:01 2003 From: rogersda at cox.net (rogersda@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Word processor--vintage computer or typewriter ? Message-ID: <20030830152607.ZZEG4315.fed1mtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> > > Over the years I've worked on a number of systems that were sold as "word > > processors". They were all "computers" in the sense that they had the > > standard complement of CPU, memory, mass storage and the programming was > > loaded at boot time, as opposed to being in ROM. > > My Diamond's the same - the ROM only contains enough to load whatever's on the > system disk. I have various floppies that were labelled as having contents > other than the standard wordprocessing application software, so although the > machine was sold by the manufacturer solely as a wordprocessor there were > obviously 3rd parties who produced other software for it. > > If your definition of computer means that the OS has to be seperate from the > running application, then no, it doesn't qualify (but that knocks out most 80's > home micros that would drop straight into BASIC) Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that. There were a lot of word processing systems that, even though they had separate system boxes, the O/S was in ROM and couldn't be overridden. I would call that a dedicated-purpose "computer". I thought we were distinguishing between those and GP microcomputers sold as word processors. > I'd say that a wordprocessor that *looked* like a typewriter probably doesn't > qualify as a computer though; it's just a microprocessor-controlled typewriter. > The systems I worked on all used Diablo or Qume daisy-wheel printers for their output. So, with separate system boxes and monitors, they didn't look like typewriters. In fact, that's how I came to work for DEC (later compaqted, then h-PACKardED); I knew how to make those darned printers work. Dale (the DECdude) From aek at spies.com Sat Aug 30 11:19:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: anyone have a working Apple 40 meg tape drive? Message-ID: <200308301612.h7UGCC4f019154@spies.com> It appears that the Apple 40 meg tape drives have the same problem that HP's have.. the pinch rollers (same color as HP's) instantly turn to goo if you try to use them, even though they look fine. Does anyone have a known working drive that I can borrow to read a couple of tapes? From redodd at comcast.net Sat Aug 30 11:27:00 2003 From: redodd at comcast.net (Ralph E. Dodd) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: jumper settings for Chinon FZ-354 floppy Message-ID: <004a01c36f12$91cc5dd0$98fa2544@MAINPC> Hello all, I finally set up my SWP ATR8000 last night. This device allows an Atari computer to use standard floppy drives along with Atari proprietary drives. Included with the ATR8000 was an external floppy case with power supply that can hold 2 half height 5 1/4 floppies. It had 1 Shugart SA455 5 1/4 DSDD drive and I added (after hours of drilling and filing) a Chinon FZ-354 3 1/2 DSDD. I put the Chinon on the end of the cable set at drive 3. I removed the resistor pack from the Shugart and added a switch using old motherboard cables so I can change the drive id from 1 to 2. This is so I can boot CP/M from the Shugart as drive 1 or switch it to drive 2 and boot from an Atari drive. I had no trouble using the Shugart drive but the Chinon gave me a lot of problems. After a little research on the net, I changed the jumper from DC to RDY (this sounded like the answer) but I still got errors. The errors occurred after I rebooted and wrote to the same disk. Every file from the second write was messed up. The only jumpers left were MM and MD so I changed the jumper from MM to MD and it works great now. My big question is what are the MM and MD settings for, and how did this solve my problem? From what I've read, 3 1/2 drives don't have removable resistor packs and they somehow achieve termination automatically so that's why I put the Chinon at the end of the cable. Thanks for listening to my raving. By the way, does anyone have the CP/M disks for this setup for sale or for trade? Ralph From luc at e2t.be Sat Aug 30 11:47:00 2003 From: luc at e2t.be (Luc Vande Velde) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: anyone have a working Apple 40 meg tape drive? In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720E7989@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD689@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Can you give me a model number? I have a few piles of old Apple stuff but I know almost nothing about it (I am not an Apple Lover) - I just kept them because I can't dump nice electronics Concerning this pitch roller behavior of turning into some kind of tar... Does anyone know what's the reason? I scrapped this afternoon a dozen of multi-track recorders (no panic, they were without any value, except for some nice Papst outer-rotor motors) and all their pitchrollers looked like melted gr. Luc -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Al Kossow Verzonden: zaterdag 30 augustus 2003 18:12 Aan: classiccmp@classiccmp.org Onderwerp: anyone have a working Apple 40 meg tape drive? It appears that the Apple 40 meg tape drives have the same problem that HP's have.. the pinch rollers (same color as HP's) instantly turn to goo if you try to use them, even though they look fine. Does anyone have a known working drive that I can borrow to read a couple of tapes? From aek at spies.com Sat Aug 30 12:30:01 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: anyone have a working Apple 40 meg tape drive? Message-ID: <200308301722.h7UHMVTW024977@spies.com> > Can you give me a model number? Apple Tape 40SC - Apple part number M2640 Did some digging on google's usenet archive, and people were trying to find replacements for the roller already in 1998. The mechanism is a 3M MCD-40 There was one message I've found that says that 3M sold off their tape drive division (or spun it off) as "GII" but I've not found anything more on them. Between bad tape formulations, and drives going bad, it is becoming really difficult to inexpensively recover data from 10 to 20 years ago that was written to tape. From at258 at osfn.org Sat Aug 30 12:34:00 2003 From: at258 at osfn.org (Merle K. Peirce) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Word processor--vintage computer or typewriter ? In-Reply-To: <20030830152607.ZZEG4315.fed1mtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: I know Olivetti made some bizarre looking computers based on their electronic typewriters. The ETV300 ran CP/M and the ETV2700 ran MS-DOS. The 300 was a grotesquely beautiful black beast. On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 rogersda@cox.net wrote: > > > Over the years I've worked on a number of systems that were sold as "word > > > processors". They were all "computers" in the sense that they had the > > > standard complement of CPU, memory, mass storage and the programming was > > > loaded at boot time, as opposed to being in ROM. > > > > My Diamond's the same - the ROM only contains enough to load whatever's on the > > system disk. I have various floppies that were labelled as having contents > > other than the standard wordprocessing application software, so although the > > machine was sold by the manufacturer solely as a wordprocessor there were > > obviously 3rd parties who produced other software for it. > > > > If your definition of computer means that the OS has to be seperate from the > > running application, then no, it doesn't qualify (but that knocks out most 80's > > home micros that would drop straight into BASIC) > > Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that. There were a lot of word processing systems that, even though they had separate system boxes, the O/S was in ROM and couldn't be overridden. I would call that a dedicated-purpose "computer". I thought we were distinguishing between those and GP microcomputers sold as word processors. > > > I'd say that a wordprocessor that *looked* like a typewriter probably doesn't > > qualify as a computer though; it's just a microprocessor-controlled typewriter. > > > > The systems I worked on all used Diablo or Qume daisy-wheel printers for their output. So, with separate system boxes and monitors, they didn't look like typewriters. In fact, that's how I came to work for DEC (later compaqted, then h-PACKardED); I knew how to make those darned printers work. > > Dale (the DECdude) > M. K. Peirce Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc. Shady Lea, Rhode Island "Casta est quam nemo rogavit." - Ovid From andyh at andyh-rayleigh.freeserve.co.uk Sat Aug 30 13:14:00 2003 From: andyh at andyh-rayleigh.freeserve.co.uk (Andy Holt) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Old computers or workstations with cache memory? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c36f21$2725d2e0$4d4d2c0a@atx> > I'm doing some research for a client and am seeking out information on > computers or processors prior to 1983 that implemented cache memory in the > processor. > > Can anyone think of any other than the following: > ... There is an cache option board for the PDP11/34A (the KK11-A) - the manual for this board is copyright 1978. Arguable either way as to whether it "implemented cache memory in the processor" Andy From donm at cts.com Sat Aug 30 14:36:01 2003 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: jumper settings for Chinon FZ-354 floppy In-Reply-To: <004a01c36f12$91cc5dd0$98fa2544@MAINPC> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Ralph E. Dodd wrote: > Hello all, > > I finally set up my SWP ATR8000 last night. This device allows an Atari > computer to use standard floppy drives along with Atari proprietary drives. > Included with the ATR8000 was an external floppy case with power supply that > can hold 2 half height 5 1/4 floppies. It had 1 Shugart SA455 5 1/4 DSDD drive > and I added (after hours of drilling and filing) a Chinon FZ-354 3 1/2 DSDD. > I put the Chinon on the end of the cable set at drive 3. I removed the > resistor pack from the Shugart and added a switch using old motherboard cables > so I can change the drive id from 1 to 2. This is so I can boot CP/M from the > Shugart as drive 1 or switch it to drive 2 and boot from an Atari drive. I > had no trouble using the Shugart drive but the Chinon gave me a lot of > problems. After a little research on the net, I changed the jumper from DC to > RDY (this sounded like the answer) but I still got errors. The errors > occurred after I rebooted and wrote to the same disk. Every file from the > second write was messed up. The only jumpers left were MM and MD so I changed > the jumper from MM to MD and it works great now. My big question is what are > the MM and MD settings for, and how did this solve my problem? From what I've > read, 3 1/2 drives don't have removable resistor packs and they somehow > achieve termination automatically so that's why I put the Chinon at the end of > the cable. Thanks for listening to my raving. By the way, does anyone have > the CP/M disks for this setup for sale or for trade? > > Ralph > The attached TeleDisk image in conjunction with a copy of TeleDisk and a DOS PC with 5.25" drive will give you a DSDD version of CP/M-2.2 for your ATR8000. If the PC's 5.25" drive is a 1.2mb unit, you will want to make working disks on the Atari to get a true 48tpi disk. - don (The attachment will be scraped off for the list.) [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type APPLICATION/octet-stream which had a name of ATR8000.TD0] From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Sat Aug 30 14:56:00 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: jumper settings for Chinon FZ-354 floppy In-Reply-To: <004a01c36f12$91cc5dd0$98fa2544@MAINPC> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030830154356.085e2cf0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> > From what I've read, 3 1/2 drives don't have removable resistor packs > and they somehow achieve termination automatically I'd heard it being referred to as "distributed termination". From that, I'd guess that meant that each 3.5" device is terminated, and that each provides what amount of total termination resistance is required if that device is plugged up to the chain. At 12:20 PM 8/30/03 -0400, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I finally set up my SWP ATR8000 last night. This device allows an Atari >computer to use standard floppy drives along with Atari proprietary drives. >Included with the ATR8000 was an external floppy case with power supply that >can hold 2 half height 5 1/4 floppies. It had 1 Shugart SA455 5 1/4 DSDD drive >and I added (after hours of drilling and filing) a Chinon FZ-354 3 1/2 DSDD. >I put the Chinon on the end of the cable set at drive 3. I removed the >resistor pack from the Shugart and added a switch using old motherboard cables >so I can change the drive id from 1 to 2. This is so I can boot CP/M from the >Shugart as drive 1 or switch it to drive 2 and boot from an Atari drive. I >had no trouble using the Shugart drive but the Chinon gave me a lot of >problems. After a little research on the net, I changed the jumper from DC to >RDY (this sounded like the answer) but I still got errors. The errors >occurred after I rebooted and wrote to the same disk. Every file from the >second write was messed up. The only jumpers left were MM and MD so I changed >the jumper from MM to MD and it works great now. My big question is what are >the MM and MD settings for, and how did this solve my problem? From what I've >read, 3 1/2 drives don't have removable resistor packs and they somehow >achieve termination automatically so that's why I put the Chinon at the end of >the cable. Thanks for listening to my raving. By the way, does anyone have >the CP/M disks for this setup for sale or for trade? > >Ralph From spedraja at ono.com Sat Aug 30 15:02:00 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: UCSD P-Code and Pick for IBM PC/XT/AT References: <001501c36f21$2725d2e0$4d4d2c0a@atx> Message-ID: <012201c36f2f$e20c2a60$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> Doing a regular check of my XT and AT, I read in the original announce of the IBM PC the availability of USCD Pascal OS for these line of computers. I have too one advertising in one of the numbers of one old collection of computer magazines about PICK OS and OASIS (Old Theos). Obvious question: Is there something of these available in any place ? Thanks and Cheers Sergio From majordomo1 at cox.net Sat Aug 30 15:11:01 2003 From: majordomo1 at cox.net (majordomo1@cox.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: IBM 60 Message-ID: <20030830200352.DEZY10977.lakemtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> By my fault. By my fault. By my grevious fault. Please disregard my blather about the need for the IBM whatever 60. I was the middle-man for a restauranteer whose point-of-sale computer had gorked and jumped to you guys without viewing his layout. Turns out it was a dinky running PC Dos. His 30 employees have been using scratch pads. Forgiveness is begged. .. harry .. > > From: Al Kossow > Date: 2003/08/29 Fri PM 11:01:21 EDT > To: classiccmp@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: IBM 60 > > The IBM 360/60 was never really a product.. try again. > > -- > > > BTW, weren't the 360/60 and 360/62 as evanescent as the 64 and 66? And wasn't there > > a 360/70 that also quickly disappeared? > > The original lineup was the 30, 40, 50, 60, 62, and 70, with a vague promise of a 92. > > The 60 and 62 were the same CPU (2060), but different core-memory units (2360 and > 2362). The 70 used hardware similar to the 60 and 62, but was all hard-wired, with no > microprogramming, and used the superior 2362 core. > > The original S/360's took a long time to be delivered, and, a year later, some of the > hardware specs were no longer competitive. The 60 was dropped altogether, and the 62 > and 70 were replaced by the 65 and > 75. Out of them all, only one 62 was ever shipped to a customer. At the same time, > the 92 was dropped, to be replaced by a vague promise of a "90 series", later > realized in the 91, 95, and 195. It was also about this time that the original > 2.0-microsecond 30, with lights in the front like the other 360's, was largely > superseded by the 1.5-microsecond > 75(1), with lights behind a flat panel like a 1401; though the > 76.-microsecond version was never officially discontinued, and was shipped in large > enough numbers that there were 2.0-microsecond 22's offered (the 22's were > reconditioned 30's, offered while the 370/115 and > 77/125 were not yet ready), it was rare (I never saw one). > > But in the meantime, the need for large-scale timesharing had resulted in the > announcement of virtual-memory versions of the 60 and 62, to be called the 64 and 66. > As part of the same restructuring, these were withdrawn a month after they were > announced, to be replaced with the 67. > > Of the original April, 1964, 360's, only the 40 and 50 ended up being shipped in > large numbers. From aek at spies.com Sat Aug 30 16:04:00 2003 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: anyone have a working Apple 40 meg tape drive? Message-ID: <200308302056.h7UKunlM010084@spies.com> I think I've come up with something that will work. The outer and inner cross section of the roller is .7" and .5" so I dug around at Weird Stuff to see if any old DC2000 drives were close. The Colorado 250 appears to be, and with a bit of work with a small flat blade screwdriver I was able to remove the rubber from the .5" shaft. Now, I need to clean the goo out of one of the MCD-40 mechanisms and try it. This may be a workaround for the HP's as well. If someone has a caliper handy, I'm curious what the cross sections are for the roller in that. From vaxzilla at jarai.org Sat Aug 30 17:03:00 2003 From: vaxzilla at jarai.org (Brian Chase) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Monroe Calculating Machine Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can find out more about this old mechanical calculator? http://www.jarai.org/temp/monroe/0830_001-sm.jpg http://www.jarai.org/temp/monroe/0830_002-sm.jpg http://www.jarai.org/temp/monroe/0830_003-sm.jpg The unit is fully operational. With some inspiration from the Curta instruction manual, I've been able to figure out addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division on this device. I picked it up at a local yard sale today for a reasonable $30. So far, I've not been able to find much about this particular model. Most everything I can find talks about Monroe's later electromechanical calculators. The closest match I found is this one from the Computer Museum in San Diego, but the image is very blurry and there isn't much information about the calculator. http://www.computer-museum.org/collections/monroe_addc.html The next example is this one but it is a bit more streamlined than mine, so I'd guess it's a slightly later model. http://www.officemuseum.com/Monroe_Calculating_Machine_Co._NY_OM.jpg http://www.officemuseum.com/calculating_machines_pinwheel_other.htm The identifying marks on the calculator itself are the "Monroe Calculating Machine Company, New York, U.S.A." on the front and a number stamped in the metal underneath the carriage--41516--which I'm guessing is the serial number. The keyboard keys seem to be made from Bakelite. -brian. From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 30 17:19:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: jumper settings for Chinon FZ-354 floppy In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030830154356.085e2cf0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> from "Mail List" at Aug 30, 3 03:48:29 pm Message-ID: > > From what I've read, 3 1/2 drives don't have removable resistor packs > > and they somehow achieve termination automatically > > I'd heard it being referred to as "distributed termination". From that, I'd > guess > that meant that each 3.5" device is terminated, and that each provides what > amount of total termination resistance is required if that device is plugged up > to the chain. The guy who thought that one up should darn well learn some transmission line theory!. You can't (properly) terminate at each device -- you have to terminate at the 2 ends of the line. The fact that it works for floppy drives on the normal-length cable is really due to the fact that the signals are pretty slow anyway!. The resistors are really just pull-ups... -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Sat Aug 30 17:21:01 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: anyone have a working Apple 40 meg tape drive? In-Reply-To: <200308302056.h7UKunlM010084@spies.com> from "Al Kossow" at Aug 30, 3 01:56:49 pm Message-ID: > I think I've come up with something that will work. > The outer and inner cross section of the roller is .7" and > .5" so I dug around at Weird Stuff to see if any old DC2000 > drives were close. The Colorado 250 appears to be, and with > a bit of work with a small flat blade screwdriver I was able > to remove the rubber from the .5" shaft. Now, I need to clean > the goo out of one of the MCD-40 mechanisms and try it. To somewhat change the subject, I've just rebuilt the roller in an HP9810's card reader. The OD of this is 1", and there are 2 rollers on the spindle (about 1/8" thick with an 1/8" gap between them). Of course the rubber had turned to goo. What _I_ did (and it depends on having a reasonable workshop) is make up a puller that would fit under the rollers and pull them off the shaft using a screw against the end of the shaft to provide the force. Once they were off, I machined a piece of brass rod 7/8" in diameter to have 2 grooves for 1" O-rings in it. Then pressed that onto the reader's shaft with a suitable drift and a bench vice. The result works fine. If anyone wants to try this, I'll include the files below on how to do it : Firstly the tools : Puller tool to remove HP9810 card reader roller ----------------------------------------------- 2 pieces of steel, 2.5" by 2" Top plate, 3/8" thick : 4mm holes at (0.25,0.25), (1.25,0.25), (2.25, 0.25), (0.25,1.5), (2.25,1.5) 10.6mm (M12 tapping size) at (1.25,1.5), Tap this hole M12 (1.75mm pitch) Lower plate, 1/8" thick 4mm holes at (0.25,0.25), (1.25,0.25), (2.25, 0.25), (0.25,1.5), (2.25,1.5) 1/8" hole at (1.25, 1.5). Mill 1/8" slot to nearest long edge (about 0.5" long). 5 pillars, 2" long, 3/8" diameter steel. Drill 3.5mm and tap M4 in centre of each end. Assemble with M4 bolts through 4mm holes in plates to ends of pillars. Fit M12 bolt to tapped hole in top plate. Drift to refit roller --------------------- 1.5" length (or thereabouts) of 7/8" brass rod. Face off both ends, centre-drill, and drill 3.2mm hole. This should be a sliding fit on the roller spindle. ----------------- And now how to do it Take off the drive belt from the LHS. Then undo the 2 screws and remove the head. This is not essential, but you'd feel a right idiot if you damaged the head in subsequent work!. Remove the top left and bottom left card sensor bulbholders from the plastic frame, leave them hanging on the wires. Remove the screws from the pillars connecting the 2 sideplates. The front bottom one on the right hand side, all the others on the left (you have to frob one of the top ones to get it clear of the pulley). Separate the plates, and slide the 2 left hand card sensor photodetectors out of the plastic frame also. Contine separaing the frames and remove the pinch roller/pressure pad assembly. Remove the rear cover from the motor (2 tiny screws, you need a nutdriver a few sizes smaller than most people have!). Undo the 2 screws holding the wires to the brushgear. At this point the 2 plates can be completely separated, set the right hand one (with the cableform, etc) aside. Remove the motor brushes (one more screw each) to protect them. Remove the screw holding the lower front pillar to the left plate, remove it with the card guide. Rmeove the roller from the shaft using the puller tool. If necessary, file off any burrs from the end of the shaft. Carefully slide the roller shaft out of the side plate and recover the metal strip. Make a new roller as follows : 1" (or so) length of 7/8" (actually 0.87") brass rod. Face off both ends. Centre-drill one end, then drill 1/8" (or 3.1mm). Check it will fit onto the roller shaft (but not over the knurled part) Turn a 0.06" deep groove (so 0.75" dianmeter at base) 0.1" from the end and 0.25" from the end. Part off a total of 0.35" of the rod. --------------- <--------- ) 0.1" ) ( <--------- ) | | 0.15" ) ( <--------- ) 0.1" --------------- <--------- ) Fit 2 O-rings (1" OD, 0.75" ID, 0.125" think) into the grooves. Check overall diameter of roller (should be 1") Refit roller shaft through metal strip (DON'T forget this!) and left side plate. Press new roller onto shaft using a suitable drift and bench vice. Reassemble the other parts of the reader. -tony From shirsch at adelphia.net Sat Aug 30 18:44:00 2003 From: shirsch at adelphia.net (Steven N. Hirsch) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Alpha PC64 hardware question... In-Reply-To: <3F4F51BD.7D59AF89@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, David Woyciesjes wrote: > Quick one here. I have one of those EB64/PC64 motherboards, but only a > 200MHz CPU for it. Problem is, the board is set up for a 266MHz CPU. Has > anybody overclocked a 200MHz CPU to 266 in one of these? With > appropriate fans for good cooling, of course. Why not set the board for a 200Mhz. CPU? That's one of the documented options. > Also, these boards can run off of a regular AT style power > supply, correct? I'm not so sure about that. IIRC, this thing requires more 3.3V current capacity than an off-the-shelf power supply could muster. I've yet to see a 'mini' (aka tower) AT supply which delivered 10A @ 3.3V. I had to buy a special supply in order to get mine going. Steve From vance at neurotica.com Sat Aug 30 18:57:00 2003 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance@neurotica.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: IBM 60 In-Reply-To: <20030830200352.DEZY10977.lakemtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Message-ID: That's probably an IBM PS/2 Model 60. You can replace that with almost anything. The Model 60 is a 286 MCA PC. Peace... Sridhar On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 majordomo1@cox.net wrote: > By my fault. By my fault. By my grevious fault. Please disregard my > blather about the need for the IBM whatever 60. I was the middle-man > for a restauranteer whose point-of-sale computer had gorked and jumped > to you guys without viewing his layout. Turns out it was a dinky running > PC Dos. His 30 employees have been using scratch pads. Forgiveness is > begged. .. harry .. > > > > > From: Al Kossow > > Date: 2003/08/29 Fri PM 11:01:21 EDT > > To: classiccmp@classiccmp.org > > Subject: Re: IBM 60 > > > > The IBM 360/60 was never really a product.. try again. > > > > -- > > > > > BTW, weren't the 360/60 and 360/62 as evanescent as the 64 and 66? And wasn't there > > > a 360/70 that also quickly disappeared? > > > > The original lineup was the 30, 40, 50, 60, 62, and 70, with a vague promise of a 92. > > > > The 60 and 62 were the same CPU (2060), but different core-memory units (2360 and > > 2362). The 70 used hardware similar to the 60 and 62, but was all hard-wired, with no > > microprogramming, and used the superior 2362 core. > > > > The original S/360's took a long time to be delivered, and, a year later, some of the > > hardware specs were no longer competitive. The 60 was dropped altogether, and the 62 > > and 70 were replaced by the 65 and > > 75. Out of them all, only one 62 was ever shipped to a customer. At the same time, > > the 92 was dropped, to be replaced by a vague promise of a "90 series", later > > realized in the 91, 95, and 195. It was also about this time that the original > > 2.0-microsecond 30, with lights in the front like the other 360's, was largely > > superseded by the 1.5-microsecond > > 75(1), with lights behind a flat panel like a 1401; though the > > 76.-microsecond version was never officially discontinued, and was shipped in large > > enough numbers that there were 2.0-microsecond 22's offered (the 22's were > > reconditioned 30's, offered while the 370/115 and > > 77/125 were not yet ready), it was rare (I never saw one). > > > > But in the meantime, the need for large-scale timesharing had resulted in the > > announcement of virtual-memory versions of the 60 and 62, to be called the 64 and 66. > > As part of the same restructuring, these were withdrawn a month after they were > > announced, to be replaced with the 67. > > > > Of the original April, 1964, 360's, only the 40 and 50 ended up being shipped in > > large numbers. From jpero at sympatico.ca Sat Aug 30 19:42:00 2003 From: jpero at sympatico.ca (jpero@sympatico.ca) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Alpha PC64 hardware question... In-Reply-To: References: <3F4F51BD.7D59AF89@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20030831003415.KVYD25242.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@duron> > From: "Steven N. Hirsch" > To: cctech@classiccmp.org > Cc: ClassicCMP > Subject: Re: Alpha PC64 hardware question... > Reply-to: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:37:15 -0400 (EDT) > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > Quick one here. I have one of those EB64/PC64 motherboards, but only a > > 200MHz CPU for it. Problem is, the board is set up for a 266MHz CPU. Has > > anybody overclocked a 200MHz CPU to 266 in one of these? With > > appropriate fans for good cooling, of course. > > Why not set the board for a 200Mhz. CPU? That's one of the documented > options. > > > Also, these boards can run off of a regular AT style power > > supply, correct? > > I'm not so sure about that. IIRC, this thing requires more 3.3V current > capacity than an off-the-shelf power supply could muster. I've yet to see > a 'mini' (aka tower) AT supply which delivered 10A @ 3.3V. I had to buy a > special supply in order to get mine going. > > Steve Sounds like you haven't checked out Antec's truepower supplies yet. Adapting ATX plug to this AT plugs using cut off ATX extension spliced to AT plugs is trivial. Power on wire is active low, pull that down to ground to turn on. Oh, yes, they do have seperate AT style plug for 3.3V function. Antec's truepower series design is seperate 3.3V and 5V circuits, not combined, most typical power supplies even branded except Antec are not good. Easy to see if label says combined max wattage for 5V and 3.3V then it is shared circuit which is not what u want. Cheers, Wizard From waltje at pdp11.nl Sat Aug 30 19:46:01 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: barcode scanners, anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, Is anyone here knowledgeable in the area of (older) barcode laser scanenrs? I got some Symbol handheld scanners, and they *seem* to work (they beep when pointed at the barcode on my Coke bottle ;-) ... Cheers, Fred From Edward.Tillman at valero.com Sat Aug 30 23:33:00 2003 From: Edward.Tillman at valero.com (Tillman, Edward) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: slt/286 Message-ID: Any modem, internal or external, 300-4800bps should work fine with this model (they had pretty good software, and worked with Zenith 2xx series). AT&T had a good external. USR had one of their earlier Courrier models out then too... Cheers! Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman@valero.com -----Original Message----- From: banztech@softhome.net [mailto:banztech@softhome.net] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:40 PM To: cctech@classiccmp.org Subject: slt/286 Hello,I need user info for a compaq slt/286 I:E what modem type/brand/cable does slt286 use and how to get into bios.Any help would be greatly appreciated.Thanks From Edward.Tillman at valero.com Sat Aug 30 23:39:00 2003 From: Edward.Tillman at valero.com (Tillman, Edward) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: EBAY fraud alert Message-ID: I got a note from E-bay (links confirmed) warning about this message, decrying it, and suggesting that I look into their privacy management page for their full particulars. Specifically, their page says they'll never ask for any of this information, and that any such requests *should* be reported to them. Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman@valero.com -----Original Message----- From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 12:21 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: cctech@classiccmp.org Subject: EBAY fraud alert I recently got an email from the "Ebay security audit team" or something to that affect. Says they periodically verify contact information, and couldn't verify mine, asking me to follow a link to update my account or it would be disabled in 5 days. I followed the link, noticed it wasn't in secure mode, and wondered why EBAY would need my bank account number, routing/ABA numbers, not to mention SSN and home address and credit card numbers, etc. The form asked for everything imaginable. Yikes! Upon getting suspicious I checked the headers and html links in the message - needless to say - NOT ebay. Watch out for this one! I did report it to the spoof team at Ebay. Jay West From Edward.Tillman at valero.com Sun Aug 31 00:03:00 2003 From: Edward.Tillman at valero.com (Tillman, Edward) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Anyone have copy of old BBS software Message-ID: If you can get onto any of the currently running telnet BBSs, several still have copies of the older, dial-up software -- Wildcat, Maximus, FrontDoor, and several others... Go to BBSCORNER.COM. They have plenty of addresses to choose from. Cheers! Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman@valero.com -----Original Message----- From: Cini, Richard [mailto:RCini@congressfinancial.com] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:05 AM To: CCTech (E-mail) Subject: Anyone have copy of old BBS software Hello, all: Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to do some file transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS would be a clean way to do it. Thanks. Rich Cini From Edward.Tillman at valero.com Sun Aug 31 00:16:00 2003 From: Edward.Tillman at valero.com (Tillman, Edward) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Anyone have copy of old BBS software Message-ID: I goofed on this one, and had to look it up -- the actual address is http://www.dmine.com/telnet/bbslist.asp Cheers! Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman@valero.com -----Original Message----- From: Tillman, Edward [mailto:Edward.Tillman@valero.com] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 11:55 PM To: 'cctalk@classiccmp.org' Subject: RE: Anyone have copy of old BBS software If you can get onto any of the currently running telnet BBSs, several still have copies of the older, dial-up software -- Wildcat, Maximus, FrontDoor, and several others... Go to BBSCORNER.COM. They have plenty of addresses to choose from. Cheers! Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman@valero.com -----Original Message----- From: Cini, Richard [mailto:RCini@congressfinancial.com] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:05 AM To: CCTech (E-mail) Subject: Anyone have copy of old BBS software Hello, all: Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to do some file transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS would be a clean way to do it. Thanks. Rich Cini From nico at farumdata.dk Sun Aug 31 00:19:03 2003 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: barcode scanners, anyone? References: Message-ID: <004e01c36f7d$7bd11140$2101a8c0@farumdata.dk> From: "Fred N. van Kempen" To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 2:36 AM Subject: barcode scanners, anyone? > Hi all, > > Is anyone here knowledgeable in the area of (older) barcode > laser scanenrs? I got some Symbol handheld scanners, and > they *seem* to work (they beep when pointed at the barcode > on my Coke bottle ;-) ... My experience is mainly with Intermec. What seems to be the problem ? If you want to do things off-line, you can write in Dutch. Nico From patrick at evocative.com Sun Aug 31 00:41:00 2003 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Heathkit H89 Video Question In-Reply-To: <200307152320.QAA26334@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: OK, I'm working in unfamiliar territory... and since there seem to be a lot of video experts of late, this seems like the time and place to ask... I'm working on an H-89 that seems to have a problem in the horizontal drive on the video board. The unit powers up from cold to a good display, properly sized, and stable. After the unit operates for 10-15 minutes, the video breaks down, first by jittering slightly for 30-60 seconds, then it goes to a single vertical line on screen that fades to black. At this time, the filament on the CRT also stops glowing. If I leave the unit off for 20-30 minutes, it comes back with good video for a bit, then repeats the above. If I turn the unit back on right away without a cool down, there's no display/no filament glow. After tracing the (good) horizontal output signal from the terminal logic board into various part of the video board, and checking voltages where I felt I could reach safely in a hot set, I discovered that if I shot horizontal output transistor Q217 with cold spray I'd get video back right away. This unit is the one I posted about on cctalk a few days ago with the NOGDS board... when I got it, it had a AA battery inside for a clock board that leaked down onto the flyback transformer. The leak didn't appear excessive, and most of the "material" on the flyback must have dried long ago and was brushed away easily, leaving only a slight tarnish on the aluminum heatsink it's mounted to. My questions... 1) Although the flyback _appears_ OK, could the leak have caused some unseen damage that is now causing excessive current through Q217 and shutting it down? My limited understanding of flyback construction is that they are sealed units. It takes several minutes (10-15) before the failure is observed. Could a flyback failure allow operation for this long? How do I test this thing? 2) If I proceed under the assumption that the flyback is OK and Q217 is not... Q217 is a BU500: 1500V, 6A, 75W, SI-NPN. I normally buy from Mouser, DigiKey, and Jameco, but none of them seems to have this part, and I wasn't able to turn up anything useful Googling. A possible dealer or two in the UK, but for a $2-3 part I was hoping for a more-readily-available source or an equivalent. The closest I can find in the family is BU508A, which is 1500V, 7-8A, 120-125W (depending on whose specs you believe). Is that OK or too far out of spec? Does anyone know of US source for the real McCoy? Thanks for any help/advice! --Patrick From ggs at shiresoft.com Sun Aug 31 01:53:00 2003 From: ggs at shiresoft.com (Guy Sotomayor) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Moving a (computer) collection Message-ID: <1062312142.2118.35.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> Part 2 of the "Moving a collection" is almost complete. I now have a 24' truck parked in my driveway that is *packed* with gear. Tomorrow will be the unloading and "gross" sorting. This part was *not* an adventure -- more like a nightmare. I'll post all the gory details once I get some rest after a 3200 mile cross country drive. But let's just say that a particular truck rental firm will not be getting any of my future business! -- TTFN - Guy From luc at e2t.be Sun Aug 31 07:21:01 2003 From: luc at e2t.be (Luc Vande Velde) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: RP03 controller In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720E799A@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD68A@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Hi Folks, In my never ending intentions of freeing op space to park some "new" stuff I found a complete RP03 controller. As this thing is taking up a serious amount of space I wont it out (I don't have any functional RP03 drives left) It's for free for the first PDP11 lover who wants it, does not intend to scrap it, and is capable of picking it up... For the US guys - sorry, but it stands on the other side of the ocean and does not fit in a postpack :))) gr. Luc Belgium From luc at e2t.be Sun Aug 31 07:27:01 2003 From: luc at e2t.be (Luc Vande Velde) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: HP9825A and 9826 In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720E799A@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD68B@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Both units are cleaned and had basic maintenance. They seems to power up as it should be... As far as I found on the web they both share the HPL language, but I could not find any users guide or HPL language manuals. Can anyone give me a link? thanks in advance Luc From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Sun Aug 31 07:32:01 2003 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: barcode scanners, anyone? Message-ID: <030831081355.a60b@splab.cas.neu.edu> any model numbers? Joe Heck From waltje at pdp11.nl Sun Aug 31 07:38:00 2003 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: barcode scanners, anyone? In-Reply-To: <030831081355.a60b@splab.cas.neu.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu wrote: > any model numbers? Oh... Symbol LT1700 scanner, with a Symbol LL-425 controller equipped with the IBM-PC PS/2 wedge (i.e. it connects to a PC between the keyboard and the PC.) --f From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 31 11:40:00 2003 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: PCW magazines available In-Reply-To: <20030830051035.RFDK15700.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030831163239.95346.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Posting on the offchance they may be of interest to somebody here (seems a shame to donate them to landfill!) I've got about 80 or so issues of Personal Computer World magazine going spare, all dating from the 1990's (I'm hanging onto the earlier ones I'm afraid). Free to a good home; pickup from Cambridge, UK. Sorry for the OT - I just don't like throwing stuff out! :) cheers Jules ===== Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From ian_primus at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 11:46:01 2003 From: ian_primus at yahoo.com (Ian Primus) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: The problems of organizing a computer collection Message-ID: <68072E8A-DBD1-11D7-BB05-000393D7845A@yahoo.com> I have been striveing to organize both my physical and digital space as of late, and hsve been trying to reorganize the basement. I have come up with solutions for many of my storage problems, but I would like to hear what other people have come up with. I am currently also working on my website (not yet online) and hope to have pictures and explanations of storage solutions, as well as my collection. I have broken down the basic problems the computer collector generally faces when dealing with space. Any input and solutions for storage problems would be appreciated. As a collection progresses, it grows and expands, both in the mind of collector and the physical space it occupies. The latter is perhaps the biggest concern, especially when it comes to a collection of computers. Computers have a lot of properties that make them a problem to collect, store and organize: - Computers are large. This isn't always true, but they do take up a great deal more space than say, stamps. - There are lots of peripherals. The computer itself isn't normally very useful without the associated peripherals, such as monitors, keyboards, disk drives, terminals, printers, modems, etc. These peripherals are also rather large and hard to store. - There are lots of manuals. Computers, especially old ones, have a lot of associated documentation. These manuals generally take the form of three ring binders... lots of them. The documentation for all the software on an older minicomputer can easily take up two or three shelves. Manuals are also heavy, most cheap bookshelves can't handle it. - And don't forget the media. Allmost all computers use some form of removeable media, which comes in the form of floppy disks, tapes, disk packs, cartridges, optical disks, and more. These too must be stored and organized, and can present problems because improper storeage can damage some types of media, and some media is pretty unweildy and likes to roll off shelves, like nine track tapes. - And, last but not least, the spare parts. As the machines get older, spare parts become difficult to find, and the only source of replacement components tends to be other machines of the same or similar model. Therefore, spare parts must be accumulated *just in case*, since the chances of finding a part when you need it are slim. This presents the additional storeage nightmare of keeping all the spare parts organized. Disk drives, circuit boards, power supplies, broken/damaged machines, duplicate machines, and assorted parts pose an interesting organizational dillemma. Most parts stack poorly, or can be easily damaged. They normally need to be kept in some sort of anti-static bag, and are much more delicate than the complete machines, which have protective cases and can be stacked. Also, inevitably you will end up with forty duplicate spare parts, just in case. - Oh, I can't forget cables. Almost all computer equipment requires a large number of easily tangled, serpent-like items known as cables. Some of these are pretty standard, and can go with almost anything, like power cables or RS232 cables. Others are proprietary and make their associated device an electronic paperweight if they become lost or damaged. Cables are also notoriously hard to store. Anyone that has put up Christmas lights can vouch for this one. Even the most neatly stacked and coiled box of cables will turn into a hopeless tangle if left unattended. All theories of 'cable gnomes' aside, cables provide a difficult storeage problem, as they must remain untangled, yet easy to access if you are in the middle of working on something and realize that you need a SCSI cable *now*. So, what have other people's experiences with organization been? Ian Primus ian_primus@yahoo.com From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 31 12:01:25 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Heathkit H89 Video Question In-Reply-To: from "Patrick Rigney" at Aug 30, 3 10:34:00 pm Message-ID: > OK, I'm working in unfamiliar territory... and since there seem to be a lot > of video experts of late, this seems like the time and place to ask... > > I'm working on an H-89 that seems to have a problem in the horizontal drive > on the video board. The unit powers up from cold to a good display, OK... > properly sized, and stable. After the unit operates for 10-15 minutes, the > video breaks down, first by jittering slightly for 30-60 seconds, then it > goes to a single vertical line on screen that fades to black. At this time, > the filament on the CRT also stops glowing. If I leave the unit off for > 20-30 minutes, it comes back with good video for a bit, then repeats the > above. If I turn the unit back on right away without a cool down, there's > no display/no filament glow. > > After tracing the (good) horizontal output signal from the terminal logic > board into various part of the video board, and checking voltages where I > felt I could reach safely in a hot set, I discovered that if I shot > horizontal output transistor Q217 with cold spray I'd get video back right > away. OK, it sounds like the HOT is getting too hot :-). This could be due to one of 3 things : 1) The HOT (Q217) is faulty. 2) The load is too heavy. This could be the flyback (but I doubt it -- a shorted turn in the flyback is going to have more serious effects that this), it could be something powered from the flyback (again unlikely) 3) The drive waveform is wrong. I don't have the H89 schematics to hand, but there's often a low-value electrolytic capacitor (a few uF) in the base circuit, particularly if it's transformer-driven. If this deteriorates, the drive waveform is incorrect, the HOT turns off too slowly and disipates more power than it should. > 1) Although the flyback _appears_ OK, could the leak have caused some unseen > damage that is now causing excessive current through Q217 and shutting it I think this is unlikely. > down? My limited understanding of flyback construction is that they are > sealed units. It takes several minutes (10-15) before the failure is > observed. Could a flyback failure allow operation for this long? How do I > test this thing? The only real test is a ringing test (you resonate one of the windings with a capacitor, apply a voltage pulse and observe the decaying oscillations on a 'scope). Problem is, this doesn't work too well on intermittant faults! > > 2) If I proceed under the assumption that the flyback is OK and Q217 is > not... Q217 is a BU500: 1500V, 6A, 75W, SI-NPN. I normally buy from Mouser, > DigiKey, and Jameco, but none of them seems to have this part, and I wasn't > able to turn up anything useful Googling. A possible dealer or two in the > UK, but for a $2-3 part I was hoping for a more-readily-available source or Can't help you, I'm in the UK, and it's not hard to get the BU500 series hre. > an equivalent. The closest I can find in the family is BU508A, which is > 1500V, 7-8A, 120-125W (depending on whose specs you believe). Is that OK or > too far out of spec? Does anyone know of US source for the real McCoy? Specs are not normally of much use in choosing a HOT, because it works under such strange conditions. But the BU508 is also a HOT so it might well work. But check the base network first. -tony From jrice54 at charter.net Sun Aug 31 13:10:01 2003 From: jrice54 at charter.net (James Rice) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: The problems of organizing a computer collection In-Reply-To: <68072E8A-DBD1-11D7-BB05-000393D7845A@yahoo.com> References: <68072E8A-DBD1-11D7-BB05-000393D7845A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F5239C1.6050604@charter.net> I'm having the same issues. I've limited myself to micros and workststions, yet space is getting to be a problem. A single workstation, take a Sgi Indigo as an example. The Iris Indigo doesn't take up so much room. It's about 12x12x18 inches, but there is the 21" monitor that goes with it, the keyboard, mouse, external CD-ROM drive, media (an Irix CD set is 15-20 CD's), tape media (DAT), the manuals (the Irix doc set that I have is a stack about 24" tall), SCSI cable, 13w3 video cable, ethernet AUI-to-UTP transceiver, spare power supply, spare CPU card, spare graphics card, spare keyboard and mouse, spare RAM and TRAM simms, spare drive sleds, Galileo video breakout box and cable...the list goes on. Multiply this by 10 Sun's ,15 Sgi's, 2 NeXT cubes with 1 slab, 1 BeBox, 5-6 Tandy's, 45-50 Mac's, 15-20 Mac Clones, 4 Daystar MP's, 6-8 laptops, 5-6 digitizer tables, 5 19" monitors, 6 17" monitors, 12 21" monitors, 20 or so 15" and smaller monitors, 10 laser printers, 6 inkjets, 8-9 dot matric printers, 2 plotters D&E sized and you see the problem. And to think I promised my wife I would not collect "big iron" to minimize space. This dosen't include the 14 Sgi Indigo's that were shipped in on a skid last week for parts machines or ebay fodder. My biggest issue is I like to have everything setup and running or bootable. Therefore I need a keyboard, mouse, monitor, cables, printer for everything. Ronda has agreed to let me remodel my office by placing cabinets and counters around the whole room. I'm planning the layout to maximize then number of systems that I can arrange arount the room with an island in the middle as a workspace. I've been sorting cables, rolling them in neat coils and rubber banding or twistie tieing them to keep them from tangling in big plastic bins. I'm also sorting boards and spare parts. I discovered I have three 60 liter bins of SCSI and IDE hard drives from less than qoomb to 80gb models. These are now all sorted, catalogs, indexed and easy to find. I also had three of those bins full of assorted SCSI and IDE CD, and CD-RW drives. Now all parts are sorted by machine type, Mac, Mac Clone, PC Clone, Sgi, Sun, NeXT and everything else. James -- http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html From spedraja at ono.com Sun Aug 31 13:21:01 2003 From: spedraja at ono.com (SP) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: The problems of organizing a computer collection References: <68072E8A-DBD1-11D7-BB05-000393D7845A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <033f01c36feb$221f9a40$0d02a8c0@cavorita.net> By now, my experience consist in concentrate all the items in one garage with no special order. I have it almost sold, and I must search one new place from now to three months in a future. But this concentration give me some idea about the field needed to put the items organized. Actually, I use 17 m2 with a tall of 2,25 meters. I should need 50 m2 with the same tall to organize all the items in accesible form, and allow to add more items in an easy way. I recommend to get some cabinet with no wheels but capable to support a great weight. Actually, I have five of these with a capacity of 250 Kg by table (and every cabinet has five tables). And over the same quantity of cabinets with wheels, with less weight capacity but capable to be moved from one part to another. I have actually three of them, and they permit to use one EIA adapter to rack some items on it. Of course, the cables, boards, peripherals and other devices must be keep in boxes (I use plastic completely closed boxes) and classified. I recommend do the same with manuals and software, even when it can grow the costs a little. With Books is most usual to have them accesibles, but all depends of your interest to keep them safe. Cheers Sergio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Primus" To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: The problems of organizing a computer collection > I have been striveing to organize both my physical and digital space as > of > late, and hsve been trying to reorganize the basement. I have come up > with > solutions for many of my storage problems, but I would like to hear > what other > people have come up with. I am currently also working on my website > (not yet > online) and hope to have pictures and explanations of storage > solutions, as > well as my collection. I have broken down the basic problems the > computer > collector generally faces when dealing with space. Any input and > solutions for > storage problems would be appreciated. > > As a collection progresses, it grows and expands, both in the mind of > collector and the physical space it occupies. The latter is perhaps the > biggest > concern, especially when it comes to a collection of computers. > Computers have > a lot of properties that make them a problem to collect, store and > organize: > - Computers are large. This isn't always true, but they do take up a > great deal more space than say, stamps. > - There are lots of peripherals. The computer itself isn't normally > very > useful without the associated peripherals, such as monitors, keyboards, > disk drives, terminals, printers, modems, etc. These peripherals are > also rather large and hard to store. > - There are lots of manuals. Computers, especially old ones, have a lot > of associated documentation. These manuals generally take the form of > three ring binders... lots of them. The documentation for all the > software on an older minicomputer can easily take up two or three > shelves. Manuals are also heavy, most cheap bookshelves can't handle > it. > - And don't forget the media. Allmost all computers use some form of > removeable media, which comes in the form of floppy disks, tapes, disk > packs, cartridges, optical disks, and more. These too must be stored > and > organized, and can present problems because improper storeage can > damage > some types of media, and some media is pretty unweildy and likes to > roll > off shelves, like nine track tapes. > - And, last but not least, the spare parts. As the machines get older, > spare parts become difficult to find, and the only source of > replacement > components tends to be other machines of the same or similar model. > Therefore, spare parts must be accumulated *just in case*, since the > chances of finding a part when you need it are slim. This presents the > additional storeage nightmare of keeping all the spare parts organized. > Disk drives, circuit boards, power supplies, broken/damaged machines, > duplicate machines, and assorted parts pose an interesting > organizational dillemma. Most parts stack poorly, or can be easily > damaged. They normally need to be kept in some sort of anti-static bag, > and are much more delicate than the complete machines, which have > protective cases and can be stacked. Also, inevitably you will end up > with forty duplicate spare parts, just in case. > - Oh, I can't forget cables. Almost all computer equipment requires a > large number of easily tangled, serpent-like items known as cables. > Some > of these are pretty standard, and can go with almost anything, like > power cables or RS232 cables. Others are proprietary and make their > associated device an electronic paperweight if they become lost or > damaged. Cables are also notoriously hard to store. Anyone that has put > up Christmas lights can vouch for this one. Even the most neatly > stacked > and coiled box of cables will turn into a hopeless tangle if left > unattended. All theories of 'cable gnomes' aside, cables provide a > difficult storeage problem, as they must remain untangled, yet easy to > access if you are in the middle of working on something and realize > that > you need a SCSI cable *now*. > > So, what have other people's experiences with organization been? > > Ian Primus > ian_primus@yahoo.com From jrkeys at concentric.net Sun Aug 31 14:32:00 2003 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: CDTV Almost Complete Message-ID: <012f01c36ff5$8c26ce90$7f0add40@oemcomputer> Well I was able to pick up a black keyboard, mouse and external 3.5 FDD for the CDTV. Now all I need is the black monitor and 3 more game CD's for it (I have 3 already plus a shop test CD), plus a copy of the original manual to have a complete system for the museum. The games look pretty good on the TV. From pmontelo at yahoo.com Sun Aug 31 14:37:00 2003 From: pmontelo at yahoo.com (Patrick Montelo) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: FS: Complete NEC PC-8800 CP/M System Message-ID: <20030831193001.94186.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> I have listed my complete vintage 1983 NEC CP/M System on eBay. I hope it finds a good home. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2750711838&category=4193&rd=1 Thanks From kth at srv.net Sun Aug 31 15:12:00 2003 From: kth at srv.net (Kevin Handy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: barcode scanners, anyone? References: Message-ID: <3F525F72.60509@srv.net> Fred N. van Kempen wrote: >On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu wrote: > > > >>any model numbers? >> >> >Oh... Symbol LT1700 scanner, with a Symbol LL-425 controller >equipped with the IBM-PC PS/2 wedge (i.e. it connects to a PC >between the keyboard and the PC.) > > > > Plug it in, scan the barcode, and it should act like you just typed those numbers. If it doesn't send you the values, but if the scanner beeps once (high pitch eep, not a low pitch erp), then the wedge is probably broken. Does your keyboard still work when the wedge is plugged in? It should act like you just typed in the barcode, and look something like this 021200665646. From cmcnabb at 4mcnabb.net Sun Aug 31 16:08:00 2003 From: cmcnabb at 4mcnabb.net (Christopher McNabb) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: HamFest Finds Message-ID: <1062363628.5838.1.camel@unix> Well, I went to the Shelby Hamfest this weekend and made some good finds: Kaypro II (missing one disk drive, boot disk mostly readable) - $10.00 1967 Small Computer Handbook - $0.50 1972 Small Computer Handbook - $0.50 PDP 11/70 Processor Manual - $0.50 20 TK-50 tapes - $5.00 If anyone wants to get rid of a Kaypro II disk drive, let me know. -- Christopher McNabb The McNabb Family From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 31 17:44:00 2003 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:35 2005 Subject: Heathkit H89 Video Question In-Reply-To: from "Tony Duell" at Aug 31, 3 05:38:44 pm Message-ID: I have now dug out the H89 scehamtic. Well, it actually claims to be the Zenith Z89/90 schemaitc. but AFAIK they're the same thing. > > properly sized, and stable. After the unit operates for 10-15 minutes, the > > video breaks down, first by jittering slightly for 30-60 seconds, then it > > goes to a single vertical line on screen that fades to black. At this time, > > the filament on the CRT also stops glowing. If I leave the unit off for > > 20-30 minutes, it comes back with good video for a bit, then repeats the > > above. If I turn the unit back on right away without a cool down, there's > > no display/no filament glow. From bob at jfcl.com Sun Aug 31 18:27:00 2003 From: bob at jfcl.com (Bob Armstrong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:36 2005 Subject: Build your own PDP-8! Message-ID: <03083116190211@jfcl.com> If you're one of those people who wants a PDP-8 but can't find one, don't despair - you can always build your own! The SBC6120 is a complete PDP-8 built around the venerable Harris HD6120 CPU and modern programmable logic devices. All parts used except the 6120 are contemporary, easily available devices. The entire system fits on a PC board 6.2" by 4.2" and has approximately the same footprint as a 3.5" hard disk. The SBC6120 has 64KW RAM, 32KW EPROM, a true KL8/E compatible console terminal interface, and a standard IDE/ATA disk interface. OS/8 device handlers are available for IDE interface, and the system will run standard OS/8 V3D. There's even an expansion bus so you can design and build your own daughter cards to plug into it. To find out more, visit the SBC6120 web page at http://www.SpareTimeGizmos.com/Hardware/SBC6120-2.htm Last fall, a group of about 30 people got together to order parts and PC boards for the SBC6120, and the results were better than I ever hoped. So far as I know, every one who assembled their SBC6120 got it working (a few people still have theirs on the shelf, unassembled, I'm afraid!). Some people even designed peripherals for it, such as Jim Kearney's cool I/O board which allows you to use a standard VGA monitor and PS/2 keyboard as a VT-52 substitute. http://www.jkearney.com/sbc6120/iob6120.htm And perhaps the best of all, we're now beta testing a real lights and switches front panel for the SBC6120. Visit http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/SBC6120_Front_Panel.htm for a preview! Even now I still get enough inquiries about the SBC6120 that I have decided to purchase another run of PC boards and 6120 CPU chips. There's a fully assembled unit available on eBay now, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2750838322 and Spare Time Gizmos is now selling bare PC boards, two different partial kits, and a complete kit at http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/SBC6120_Orders.htm If you wanted to have your own PDP-8, then here's your chance! Thanks, Bob Armstrong From donm at cts.com Sun Aug 31 18:47:00 2003 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:36 2005 Subject: HamFest Finds In-Reply-To: <1062363628.5838.1.camel@unix> Message-ID: On 31 Aug 2003, Christopher McNabb wrote: > Well, I went to the Shelby Hamfest this weekend and made some good > finds: > > Kaypro II (missing one disk drive, boot disk mostly readable) - $10.00 > 1967 Small Computer Handbook - $0.50 > 1972 Small Computer Handbook - $0.50 > PDP 11/70 Processor Manual - $0.50 > 20 TK-50 tapes - $5.00 > > If anyone wants to get rid of a Kaypro II disk drive, let me know. You can use a double sided drive if you want to. It won't care. - don > -- > Christopher McNabb > The McNabb Family From donm at cts.com Sun Aug 31 19:01:00 2003 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:36 2005 Subject: (fwd) IMSAI 8080 S100 Computer for sale (fwd) Message-ID: Saw this on usenet, and thought someone might be interested. Do not have any further information on it. - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Path: chiapp03.algx.net!chiapp17.algx.com!dca1-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: dwighthe@cox-internet.com (Dwight and Debbie Hebert) Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.other.misc Subject: IMSAI 8080 S100 Computer for sale Date: 29 Aug 2003 05:42:01 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.180.86.223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1062160922 24470 127.0.0.1 (29 Aug 2003 12:42:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Aug 2003 12:42:02 GMT Xref: chiapp17.algx.com misc.forsale.computers.other.misc:5066 I have just listed an IMSAI 8080 computer for sale on e-bay, for information goto http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2749864148 Thanks Dwight -- end of forwarded message -- From oldcomp at cox.net Sun Aug 31 21:12:00 2003 From: oldcomp at cox.net (Bryan Blackburn) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:36 2005 Subject: barcode scanners, anyone? References: Message-ID: <3F52A8D4.1050008@cox.net> I have two of these that connect similarly (I have no idea what model number), and if I start a word processing program or whatever, anything scanned is entered as text into the program. Just like hitting the keys of the keyboard. Cool, and fun too. -Bryan Fred N. van Kempen wrote: >On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu wrote: > > > >>any model numbers? >> >> >Oh... Symbol LT1700 scanner, with a Symbol LL-425 controller >equipped with the IBM-PC PS/2 wedge (i.e. it connects to a PC >between the keyboard and the PC.) > >--f From jcwren at jcwren.com Sun Aug 31 21:34:00 2003 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:36 2005 Subject: barcode scanners, anyone? In-Reply-To: <3F52A8D4.1050008@cox.net> References: <3F52A8D4.1050008@cox.net> Message-ID: <200308312226.31543.jcwren@jcwren.com> You can probably find someone who will give you a CueCat. They look stupid, but they work well enought, and there's lots of software on the web for them. --John On Sunday 31 August 2003 22:03 pm, Bryan Blackburn wrote: > I have two of these that connect similarly (I have no idea what model > number), and if I start a word processing program or whatever, anything > scanned is entered as text into the program. Just like hitting the keys > of the keyboard. Cool, and fun too. > > -Bryan > > Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > >On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu wrote: > >>any model numbers? > > > >Oh... Symbol LT1700 scanner, with a Symbol LL-425 controller > >equipped with the IBM-PC PS/2 wedge (i.e. it connects to a PC > >between the keyboard and the PC.) > > > >--f From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Sun Aug 31 21:42:00 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:36 2005 Subject: barcode scanners, anyone? In-Reply-To: <200308312226.31543.jcwren@jcwren.com> References: <3F52A8D4.1050008@cox.net> <3F52A8D4.1050008@cox.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030831223226.00a6ba70@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> > You can probably find someone who will give you a CueCat. They look stupid, > but they work well enought, and there's lots of software on the web for them. Is that the ones they gave away free at Radio Shack? There was something they were giving out at one time to make it easier to shop online out of their catalog, but I never had the time to plug it in and check it out, so I don't remember the details all that well. At 10:26 PM 8/31/03 -0400, you wrote: >You can probably find someone who will give you a CueCat. They look stupid, >but they work well enought, and there's lots of software on the web for them. > > --John From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Sun Aug 31 21:54:00 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:36 2005 Subject: Build your own PDP-8! In-Reply-To: <03083116190211@jfcl.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030831223538.08d358f0@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Bob, Jim, Steve ... You guys have done an incredible job on that. That stuff looks so professional. One neat thing to do might be to assimilate, and host online, a program library so that a user could download a program via their internet connected PC and write it to a CF and then plug it in to the SBC6120 and run it. Develop and support a user base that way. Best Regards At 04:19 PM 8/31/03 -0700, you wrote: > If you're one of those people who wants a PDP-8 but can't find one, don't >despair - you can always build your own! The SBC6120 is a complete PDP-8 >built around the venerable Harris HD6120 CPU and modern programmable logic >devices. All parts used except the 6120 are contemporary, easily available >devices. > > The entire system fits on a PC board 6.2" by 4.2" and has approximately the >same footprint as a 3.5" hard disk. The SBC6120 has 64KW RAM, 32KW EPROM, >a true KL8/E compatible console terminal interface, and a standard IDE/ATA >disk interface. OS/8 device handlers are available for IDE interface, and >the system will run standard OS/8 V3D. There's even an expansion bus so you >can design and build your own daughter cards to plug into it. > > To find out more, visit the SBC6120 web page at > > http://www.SpareTimeGizmos.com/Hardware/SBC6120-2.htm > > Last fall, a group of about 30 people got together to order parts and >PC boards for the SBC6120, and the results were better than I ever hoped. >So far as I know, every one who assembled their SBC6120 got it working >(a few people still have theirs on the shelf, unassembled, I'm afraid!). >Some people even designed peripherals for it, such as Jim Kearney's cool >I/O board which allows you to use a standard VGA monitor and PS/2 keyboard >as a VT-52 substitute. > > http://www.jkearney.com/sbc6120/iob6120.htm > > And perhaps the best of all, we're now beta testing a real lights and >switches front panel for the SBC6120. Visit > > http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/SBC6120_Front_Panel.htm > >for a preview! > > Even now I still get enough inquiries about the SBC6120 that I have decided >to purchase another run of PC boards and 6120 CPU chips. There's a fully >assembled unit available on eBay now, > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2750838322 > >and Spare Time Gizmos is now selling bare PC boards, two different partial >kits, and a complete kit at > > http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/SBC6120_Orders.htm > >If you wanted to have your own PDP-8, then here's your chance! > >Thanks, >Bob Armstrong From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Sun Aug 31 22:14:00 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:36 2005 Subject: 9121 vs 9122 In-Reply-To: <00a701c36da2$19f4a9a0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030831030639.007c2410@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Single-sided vs Double-sided. Both are double density. The 9122C is Quad-density. Joe At 03:22 PM 8/28/03 -0500, you wrote: >Ok, if both 9121 and 9122 use the same media, what is the difference between >these two drives? > >Jay West From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Sun Aug 31 22:16:05 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:36 2005 Subject: HP 9825A rescue? In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD67D@e2t_server_3.e2t.be > References: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720E787D@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030831031646.007b2d30@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 10:37 AM 8/29/03 +0200, you wrote: >I am just back from the junkyard >I've got the HP 9825A and they added a HP 9826 too - all on take them, test >them and let me know if you want them... conditions >I'll have to scan the internet for this 9826 machine now - is this a >calculator or already a small computer? It's a computer and has a 68000 CPU. It can run BASIC, HPL or Pascal. All three languages were disk based or you buy them on plug in ROM cards. I have several versions of BASIC and one of HPL but I've never seen the one for Pascal. If you would have looked at the link that I posted last time, you would have found all this and more. Or am I just wasting my time posting this stuff? >Display looks larger Duhh! I'll say it's larger. It's a 5" CRT instead of a single line LED display! Joe and it has a 5 1/4" floppy drive build in > >Luc From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Sun Aug 31 22:17:43 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:36 2005 Subject: HP 9825A rescue? In-Reply-To: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720BD681@e2t_server_3.e2t.be > References: <315050836049D511BD020090276C4E720E781E@e2t_server_3.e2t.be> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030831031810.007c6100@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 01:37 PM 8/29/03 +0200, you wrote: >I have the beast om my desk here: >The 9825A has option 002 installed (23228bytes op mem) and has 2 modules in >its option slots >a 98216A module and a 98210 module >It powers up and seems to do the basic calculations (1+1=2) :))) >On the back is a sticker: Part of 5046A system (never heard of) >there are also 3 expansion module like bays in the back - all of them empty >----------- >The 9826 unit that came with it powers also up but seems to ask for a disk >This unit looks like disk os based - is there anything more to find about >it? Yeah, look at the website that I listed TWICE! It tells how to boot these and how to tell what OS or OSs are installed on them. Joe > >Luc > > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org >[mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Joe >Verzonden: woensdag 27 augustus 2003 12:50 >Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org >Onderwerp: Re: HP 9825A rescue? > > >At 01:36 PM 8/28/03 +0200, you wrote: >>Hi Folks, >> >>I am not familiar with the old HP calculators. >>The local junkyard has a HP 9825A desktop calculator they can't sell >>They intend to demolish it next week - is it worth saving it? or is the >>world full of it? > > Why can't they sell it? > >>- is it worth saving it? > > Yes but it sounds like you don't have any choice. > >>or is the >>world full of it? > > They're relatively common in this area but I'm close to several large >military contractors and Kennedy Space Center and they use a lot of them. >But they are neat machines and seem to run forever. It's probably one of >the best machines that HP ever built IMO. They run a OS/language called >HPL. It's a cross between APL and BASIC. Lots more details on my website at >. > > What model is it? Open the paper cover and see what options it has. > > Joe > > >>It looks complete and has only some minor estetic damage. >> >>gr. >> >>Luc Vande Velde >> >> >>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>Van: cctech-admin@classiccmp.org >>[mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]Namens Fritz Chwolka >>Verzonden: donderdag 21 augustus 2003 17:05 >>Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org >>Onderwerp: Re: Anyone have copy of old BBS software >> >> >>On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:05:25 -0400, Cini, Richard wrote: >> >>>Hello, all: >>> >>> Does anyone have a copy of some old BBS software for the PC >>>platform, like WildCat, that I could get a copy of? I'd like to do some >>file >>>transfer testing among my classic platforms and thought an internal BBS >>>would be a clean way to do it. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>>Rich Cini >> >>Why don't use telemate, procomm or zock and use their internal host >>like personal bbs ? >> >>BBSen even here >> >>http://www.eunet.bg/simtel.net/msdos/bbs.html >> >>and here look for telix or telemate >> >>http://www.vectorbd.com/bfd/telecomm/ >> >> >> >>Greetings from >>Fritz Chwolka >> >> >>> www.alterechner.de < From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Sun Aug 31 22:19:22 2003 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:37 2005 Subject: HP-85 Re: anyone in rochester? In-Reply-To: <200308281550.h7SFo3pW005799@king.mcs.drexel.edu> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030831030536.007b73f0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 11:50 AM 8/28/03 -0400, you wrote: >Joe wrote: >> > BTW I have finally managed to get a 98155A keyboard for my 9915's >> Congradulations! Where did you find it? It took me years to find one. > >On eBay, for $35 >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2748063348 Boy, what luck! > >as you can see I used the Buy Now option, and not a moment too soon, >the seller told me that he had higher offers from others that came >late. > >> GREAT! I've been looking for those for years. The only one that I have >>is for networking the 9915s. >Do you mean the system for making backup tapes with a bunch of >9915s connected via HP-IB? Do you have the s/w for that pac? No. I don't think there was any. They might have given the listing in the manual. I'll try to find it and see. Joe > >----------- > >"Jay West" wrote: >> What about the 9122? >you'll need the EMS ROM for that one. > >> I'm hoping it would work with the 9122, which is what I want to get for my >> 1631D. The only reason I'm hunting for 9122 instead of 9121, is I thought >> the floppy disks for the 9122 might be easier to find (they DO use different >> media right?) >The difference between the 9121 and the 9122 is that the former is single >sided and the latter double. Apart from that they both use the DOUBLE >density format which is different from the QUAD density PC floppies. >So while you gain in capacity with the 9122, you still need to find these >floppies. > >BTW note that while the 9121 is very reliable, there are quite a few >9122s with damaged heads. This has to do with the disk loading mechanism >that gets stuck with age and if the user forces the diskette in, it >hits one of the read/write heads. > >> Thanks for the tip!! I don't have too many old DECtapes, but when you say >> old 40mb PC tape drive tapes, are you talking QIC-80 tapes? I have tons of >> those. If not, exactly what tape do I go buy? > >CAREFULL! The HP-85 tapes (and the DECtapes) are NOT the same as the >QIC-80 tapes. They look the same, to the extent that I was trying to >insert one and getting annoyied when it wouldn't go in. > >> I saw note of that on your website. That would be soooooooo so nice to have >> n ROM emulator. Humm there can't be THAT much to the electronics inside the >> 2929A. Anyone have one they'll let me take apart and build a copy of? > >Actually its not that complex. If you look at >http://www.series80.org/Manuals/HP82929A.pdf >you will see that most of the chips deal with address decoding. You can >replace most if not all with a microcontroller (e.g. PIC). > >BUT, (there has to be a but, otherwise, I would have already pointed >you to a page that tells you how to build one :-) The HP-85 bus is >not TTL. I think the logic true is +6V and the clocks are like +12V. >So you need more than a PIC. Like I said, its in my TODO list. > >Having said that, relocating the ROM executable may actually be easier. >But (there's that word, again) when I tried to look at the CPU >architecture, I freaked out. What the **** were they doing back then. >This CPU is totally wierd, so understanding what is going on with >that thing will take some effort. > >Anybody who knows/remembers HP-85 assembly? :-) > >**vp From jcwren at jcwren.com Sun Aug 31 22:24:00 2003 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:37 2005 Subject: barcode scanners, anyone? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030831223226.00a6ba70@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> References: <3F52A8D4.1050008@cox.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030831223226.00a6ba70@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Message-ID: <200308312316.57677.jcwren@jcwren.com> Yea, that's the basic summary. The bitch was each CueCat had a unique ID, so when you scanned a product, they'd note that. If the UPC of the product wasn't one they knew about, you could enter the information. The whole "payback" of the CueCat was that they'd build this database of customers and products they were interested in, and do targetted marketing. And the whole point of their baseless lawsuit was that people who were using the CueCat for other than they intended were "depriving them of revenue". Of course, since they *gave* the thing away, that case was uninforceable. Particularly since they were sent unsolicted through the mail. They were kind of slick engineering in some respects. Wel built, very low cost, and as I recall, they had a pretty good scan rate of success. The mods in the 'net show how to read the scanned codes out (I think you had to XOR everything with the unit ID, and delete some headers and trailers), and how to defeat the ID part in the unit. But they're still pretty goofy looking. I had about 50 that I had acquired by asking for several ("me and my friends need one") everytime I went to Tech America or Radio Shack. I eventually did nothing with them, and gave them all to a friend of mine. --John On Sunday 31 August 2003 22:34 pm, Mail List wrote: > > You can probably find someone who will give you a CueCat. They look > > stupid, > > > but they work well enought, and there's lots of software on the web for > > them. > > > Is that the ones they gave away free at Radio Shack? There was something > they were giving out at one time to make it easier to shop online out of > their catalog, but > I never had the time to plug it in and check it out, so I don't remember > the details all > that well. > > At 10:26 PM 8/31/03 -0400, you wrote: > >You can probably find someone who will give you a CueCat. They look > > stupid, but they work well enought, and there's lots of software on the > > web for them. > > > > --John From spc at conman.org Sun Aug 31 22:58:00 2003 From: spc at conman.org (Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:37 2005 Subject: barcode scanners, anyone? In-Reply-To: <200308312316.57677.jcwren@jcwren.com> from "J.C. Wren" at Aug 31, 2003 11:16:57 PM Message-ID: <20030901035055.18804144E7FD@swift.conman.org> It was thus said that the Great J.C. Wren once stated: > > They were kind of slick engineering in some respects. Wel built, very low > cost, and as I recall, they had a pretty good scan rate of success. The mods > in the 'net show how to read the scanned codes out (I think you had to XOR > everything with the unit ID, and delete some headers and trailers), and how > to defeat the ID part in the unit. But they're still pretty goofy looking. I got one of the units from RatShack (picked up an AT-PS/2 keyboard converter at the same time) and wrote a C program to decode the data (which I still have). If anyone is interested, I can give out copies (it's not very long). > I had about 50 that I had acquired by asking for several ("me and my friends > need one") everytime I went to Tech America or Radio Shack. I eventually did > nothing with them, and gave them all to a friend of mine. I still have mine somewhere (I think it's now in storage) and never did anything with it either. -spc (Even have come incomprehensible Perl code to read them ... ) From mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com Sun Aug 31 23:18:00 2003 From: mail.list at analog-and-digital-solutions.com (Mail List) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:37 2005 Subject: barcode scanners, anyone? In-Reply-To: <200308312316.57677.jcwren@jcwren.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030831223226.00a6ba70@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> <3F52A8D4.1050008@cox.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030831223226.00a6ba70@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030831235952.08c13120@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Hello John, > And the whole point of their baseless lawsuit was that people who were using the > CueCat for other than they intended were "depriving them of revenue". Of course, > since they *gave* the thing away, that case was uninforceable. Particularly since > they were sent unsolicted through the mail. Who were they trying to sue? Their customer base? I didn't know they were doing all that. The small size made it quite feasible to keep in the notebook computer carrying bag. I had gotten two. One to use and one to lose. That darn Radio Shack. You can't even go in there and buy a battery without going through their interrogation process. I got to the point that when they asked me for my first name, I said Johnny, and when they asked me for my last name, I said Cash. Johnny Cash. Now do you want to sell the GD battery or what? > But they're still pretty goofy looking. Like a mouse, shaped very much like a real animal mouse. Best Regards At 11:16 PM 8/31/03 -0400, you wrote: > Yea, that's the basic summary. The bitch was each CueCat had a > unique ID, so >when you scanned a product, they'd note that. If the UPC of the product >wasn't one they knew about, you could enter the information. The whole >"payback" of the CueCat was that they'd build this database of customers and >products they were interested in, and do targetted marketing. And the whole >point of their baseless lawsuit was that people who were using the CueCat for >other than they intended were "depriving them of revenue". Of course, since >they *gave* the thing away, that case was uninforceable. Particularly since >they were sent unsolicted through the mail. > > They were kind of slick engineering in some respects. Wel built, > very low >cost, and as I recall, they had a pretty good scan rate of success. The mods >in the 'net show how to read the scanned codes out (I think you had to XOR >everything with the unit ID, and delete some headers and trailers), and how >to defeat the ID part in the unit. But they're still pretty goofy looking. > > I had about 50 that I had acquired by asking for several ("me and > my friends >need one") everytime I went to Tech America or Radio Shack. I eventually did >nothing with them, and gave them all to a friend of mine. > > --John > >On Sunday 31 August 2003 22:34 pm, Mail List wrote: > > > You can probably find someone who will give you a CueCat. They look > > > > stupid, > > > > > but they work well enought, and there's lots of software on the web for > > > > them. > > > > > > Is that the ones they gave away free at Radio Shack? There was something > > they were giving out at one time to make it easier to shop online out of > > their catalog, but > > I never had the time to plug it in and check it out, so I don't remember > > the details all > > that well. > > > > At 10:26 PM 8/31/03 -0400, you wrote: > > >You can probably find someone who will give you a CueCat. They look > > > stupid, but they work well enought, and there's lots of software on the > > > web for them. > > > > > > --John From doc at mdrconsult.com Sun Aug 31 23:36:00 2003 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:37 2005 Subject: barcode scanners, anyone? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030831235952.08c13120@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030831223226.00a6ba70@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> <3F52A8D4.1050008@cox.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030831223226.00a6ba70@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030831235952.08c13120@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Message-ID: <3F52CB05.9010207@mdrconsult.com> Mail List wrote: > Hello John, > > > And the whole point of their baseless lawsuit was that people who > were using the > > CueCat for other than they intended were "depriving them of > revenue". Of course, > > since they *gave* the thing away, that case was uninforceable. > Particularly since > > they were sent unsolicted through the mail. > > Who were they trying to sue? Their customer base? The Flying Butt Monkeys, IIRC. For real. Doc From cisin at xenosoft.com Sun Aug 31 23:40:00 2003 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:37 2005 Subject: barcode scanners, anyone? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030831235952.08c13120@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20030831223226.00a6ba70@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> <3F52A8D4.1050008@cox.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20030831223226.00a6ba70@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20030831235952.08c13120@mail.analog-and-digital-solutions.com> Message-ID: <20030831212905.C80015@newshell.lmi.net> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Mail List wrote: > That darn Radio Shack. You can't even go in there and buy a battery without > going through their interrogation process. I got to the point that when > they asked > me for my first name, I said Johnny, and when they asked me for my last name, > I said Cash. Johnny Cash. Now do you want to sell the GD battery or what? When they ask for your address, recite the address of the store that you are in. See how many of the clerks will notice. From healyzh at aracnet.com Sun Aug 31 23:58:00 2003 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:39:37 2005 Subject: DEC Fanfold Papertape Storage Message-ID: What is the best way to store the clear blue plastic boxes full of DEC fanfold papertape? I'd been laying them flat, but that takes up quite a bit of space. I was wondering if it's safe to put them in a bookcase like a book, but I got to thinking this probably isn't a good idea for the papertape. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |